Lito: Keep him or trade him?
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Trade Sheppard and you've negated a significant portion of the impact of bringing in Samuel. Yeah, you've added a slightly bigger, slightly better, much more durable playmaking corner on the left side. But that still leaves you with Brown on the right side instead of in the slot, where he's always been more effective.
Brown is a tough, hard-working overachiever who hasn't missed a game in his career. But he hasn't played particularly well the last two seasons, particularly on the outside.
I think you'll find little argument that a secondary which includes Asante, Lito, and Sheldon is bound to be one of the best groups in the NFL. Keeping Lito would also allow the Eagles to experiment that fantasy Eagles fans have always had about using Sheldon Brown as a safety. Domowich suggests using Brown in a safety role in the base defense and as a nickel corner when the opposition goes 3 wide. I'd find that kind of creativity from Jim Johnson very interesting...
But of course, on the other side of the aisle are the many reasons trading Lito could make more sense. First and foremost you have the fact that he's missed 14 games over the past 3 years. Can you trust him to stay healthy. You have the reports that he's unhappy with his contract, something signing Asante Samuel to a giant deal isn't likely to help. Most importantly, you have the prospect of what trading Lito Sheppard would get in return.
In my eyes, that's the key here. I agree with Domowich that I'd like to see a trio of Samuel, Lito, and Brown back there. I think that does make for a hell of a secondary... but would Samuel, Brown, and an impact player on offense be preferable? Would those two and some high picks that could contribute other places on the team be preferable?
You tell me. Keep Lito or trade him? If you wanna trade him, tell me what you'd accept back for him.
Personally, I'd trade him for an impact receiver. If we were just getting picks in return, I might have to say no. It would depend on what picks they were, but they'd have to pretty good for me to give up the kind of depth we'd have in the secondary by keeping Lito and I doubt any team is offering us a first round pick for him.
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If we do trade him for a wide receiver, I think we'd still need to spend a high draft pick on a cornerback otherwise Hanson stays in the nickel and that isn't good enough.
by ajay on
Mar 8, 2008 10:21 AM EST
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I'd prefer to keep him
I also think a healthy McNabb, LJ Smith, Reggie Brown, and Kevin Curtis is a fine starting set at the skill positions especially when defenses are scared shitless of #36.
by yomjoseki on
Mar 8, 2008 10:57 AM EST
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And if the defense is making plays
by JasonB on
Mar 8, 2008 11:02 AM EST
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That's A Lot of If's
by Chris Iafolla on
Mar 8, 2008 11:39 AM EST
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Lito
by ImSoBrown on
Mar 8, 2008 11:49 AM EST
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only for a pro bowl WR
I look at it in the long run. lito is a verry good player but his injurys hint at a shorter cureer then the averege pro bowl corner. I just see fitz playing for us a lot longer then lito would.
plus I see the advantages of having a reciver like fitz more benificial to the team. he would add an other weapon on offence drawing a double team and leaving a linebaker to cover either LJ or Westbrook. and as we discoused in other threads iw would be difficult to keep all three of our corners anyway and that is with moving sheldon to saftey.
its hard to part with lito but it might be what's best for the team if we trade to a great offencive weapon. if we are offered a first round pick I still would say we have a better chance with lito to get the superbowl. unless its extreamly early.
by NickPampani on
Mar 8, 2008 11:52 AM EST
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What if?
by JasonB on
Mar 8, 2008 11:54 AM EST
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NO
by NickPampani on
Mar 8, 2008 2:00 PM EST
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Very Generous
by RichieOfAshburn on
Mar 8, 2008 4:25 PM EST
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I'm not suggesting
by JasonB on
Mar 8, 2008 5:50 PM EST
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Value
So if you can't convince Sheldon to move to safety it really doesn't make a lot of sense to have them both on the roster.
With that in mind, here's what I were do if I were Banner/Reid:
First -- Try and put a Lito package together to try to acquire Fitzgerald (which I think is unlikely at this point) or Roy Williams (perhaps a better chance). If this can't be done...
Second -- Talk Sheldon Brown into playing safety. He could realistically play either safety position. If he's unwilling...
Third -- Move Lito for whatever you can get. Unfortunately, keeping him around if he's unhappy could be disruptive. I really doubt he'd accept the nickel corner position. I hope I'm wrong.
by BFH on
Mar 8, 2008 12:32 PM EST
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Great Problem to Have
by RichieOfAshburn on
Mar 8, 2008 4:33 PM EST
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I would like the Eagles to..
So if you can't convince Sheldon to move to safety it really doesn't make a lot of sense to have them both on the roster.
With that in mind, here's what I were do if I were Banner/Reid:
"First -- Try and put a Lito package together to try to acquire Fitzgerald (which I think is unlikely at this point) or Roy Williams (perhaps a better chance). If this can't be done...
Second -- Talk Sheldon Brown into playing safety. He could realistically play either safety position. If he's unwilling...
Third -- Move Lito for whatever you can get. Unfortunately, keeping him around if he's unhappy could be disruptive. I really doubt he'd accept the nickel corner position. I hope I'm wrong."
Yep that about sums it all up...
by topcat6 on
Mar 8, 2008 4:44 PM EST
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Unfortunately
by Whodie126 on
Mar 8, 2008 4:45 PM EST
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Look at the Arizona situation carefully...
In the 2008 NFL draft, a RECORD 53 juniors have come out. This has really pumped UP the value of this year's picks, while reducing next years pick values somewhat. Arizona will be eyeing players in rounds 1 and 2, making either or both of those Eagle picks quite valuable to the Cardinals... because of all those juniors in the mix, that #2 has more value than it normally would, and all the NFL teams know it!
O-Line- Todd Herremans has been a good starter for the Eagles (with an admittedly down year last year). Herremans can also play Tackle, where the Cards, literally have no one on there current depth chart behind starters Mike Gandy and Levi Brown. Max-Jean Giles graded out as a 2nd round pick in the draft 2 years ago, and is now primed to start. He is an admitted "road-grader" that would look really fine blocking for B-West. I think Andy has his eyes on a shiny new OL toy in this year's draft, and would therefore part with one of these two valuable commodities in a Larry-Fitz package.
At wr, the Cards have two top ten wr in Fitz and Anquan Boldin. With Leonard Pope coming on as a top flight TE and potential future target (can't miss that 6'8" frame in the red zone), and with Edge James still one of the upper echelon RECEIVING rb's in the NFL, the Cards are positioned to trade from strength to shore up one of their weaknesses. Their problem is depth at wr... they will likely lose #3 Bryant Johnson to FA, UNLESS the Eagles come to their rescue and make a swap that allows them, from a salary cap perspective, to resign Johnson.
There is way too much synergy between these two teams to make a deal. This is most likely to happen, but more likely will NOT happen till right before the draft, when this year's picks become SO valuable, and are magnified in the eyes of football's GM's.
So, the package needs to be... Lito, a #2, Herremans OR Jean-Gilles, and Reggie Brown. This helps the Cards at CB tremendously. It adds a valuable draft pick, a #2 infinitely more valuable than usual because of the flood of juniors this year. It adds an experienced O-Lineman needed to protect Leinart/Warner PLUS open holes for Edge, at a position of tremendous need for Arizona. Finally, it helps assuage the loss of Fitzgerald in two ways... First, by adding a starting NFL wr they can use as their #2 or #3. Second, it gives them financial flexibility to resign their own #1 pick from a few years ago... wr Bryant Johnson.
For a middling team trying to take the next step... adding 5 impact players (and 4 probable starters) for 1 player, even a great one like Fitzgerald? Well, the answer comes when you look at the result- A top 3 of Boldin, Bryant Johnson and Reggie Brown, plus the additional help elsewhere in areas of need. This is a difference making arrangement for Arizona. I do not believe the Eagles need to yield a #1 to get it done! We, though, as fans will need to patiently wait till April 26th to see it get done.
1- Kudos to Jason for suggesting Lito + 19 for #7. This get's what should be a top flight lineman... be he an OT, DE or DT, that would NOT be available at #19. The beauty of it is you don't have to pull the trigger till the Pats are "on the clock."
1- Possibilities are endless. How about Lito and Mike Patterson for a top-of-the-line DT, a real force in the middle? Not that Patterson is chump change, but...
by meangreenmachine on
Mar 8, 2008 5:25 PM EST
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That doesn't make sense
by yomjoseki on
Mar 8, 2008 5:32 PM EST
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he is not
getting rid of lito......we will draft an other corner this year
swaping wide recivers...... fitz for brown
trading over one offencive linemen...... once again we are drafting one.
by NickPampani on
Mar 8, 2008 5:44 PM EST
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that was perfect.
i said it before and i still belive it. aarizona and the eagles have already agreed to deal lito for fitz. now its only a matter of who goes along with lito that they are arguing about.
by NickPampani on
Mar 8, 2008 5:40 PM EST
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Umm...
But, if you are suggesting a trade of "Lito, Jean-Giles or Herremans, Brown, and a #2" for Larry Fitzgerald -- well, there's no way.
Not even Mike Ditka would be dumb enough to make that trade.
There are exactly two guys in the NFL who might be worth that kind of package -- Tom Brady and Peyton Manning.
You simply don't trade that many players of value for a wide receiver, no matter who it is. The Eagles would laugh at that. Sorry guys.
by BFH on
Mar 8, 2008 6:27 PM EST
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missing link?
by NickPampani on
Mar 8, 2008 6:47 PM EST
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wow
Who is this mysterious top-of-the-line d-tackle that is worth two Pro Bowl caliber players? Maybe if we can build a time machine and get Brian Urlacher the day he was drafted, I'd consider giving up two of our most talented defensive players. Singlehandedly the dumbest thing I've heard all day.
by king myno on
Mar 8, 2008 6:32 PM EST
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Well
by yomjoseki on
Mar 8, 2008 5:28 PM EST
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Justice + Lito + second rounder?
My brother relayed that to me. I'd go for that...but would Arizona?
by RichieOfAshburn on
Mar 8, 2008 7:42 PM EST
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Response to BFH & king myno & yomjoseki
The Eagles (and Cardinals) are better positioned to quantify/qualify the supplementary pieces in a mega-trade... but the fact is the Eagles expect to have 12 draft picks this year (compensatory picks are coming for Garcia, Stallworth, Hood and Lewis, and 2 more picks for back ends of trades for Josh Parry and Hank Fraley). Expect many, if not most of those guys to make the opening day roster. Yes, some of the picks may be traded, but a team cannot trade compensatory picks.
I believe Andy needs an OL fix... He WILL draft one, and perhaps two or three Offensive linemen. THere is concern that Winston Justice may not be the answer at LT after Tre retires, and I recently heard rumblings that Shawn Andrews may not want to move over to RT and repace Runyan when he is done. High caliber tackles are hard to come by... Andy'll be looking for one in this years draaft. But Justice will be on the roster next year, as will Nick Cole and probably Scott Young. I believe these guys are all legit backups, at worst. I have also heard rumblings that Herremans is another player unhappy with his long term deal. With Jean-Gilles performing well late last year, Herremans, like Lito, could be a valuable, although redundant chip. The key to all this: With the potential to grab a future hall-of-famer AT ANY POSITION, you need to look at offering fair value in return. Sometimes, quantity for quality works well for both sides.
As for the critique from king myno regarding packaging Lito and Patterson, for, say... Kevin Williams and a #3 draft pick... Just a couple weeks ago, the week prior to the Birds getting Assante Samuel, Greg Cossell (on 950 AM talking to Jody Mac) referred to Lito and Sheldon being "just guys" at cb. I disagree, but I really respect Greg Cosell. If he thinks that, others do too. Patterson... I see him as a good, but complementary player inside. I disagree with king myno and do not see a pro bowl in his future. Kevin Williams? The guy is a force, and was drafted in '03, so he's not old. Put him next to Bunkley on third down, and watch the pocket collapse for the DE's.
THAT is one of Andy's fastball's, my friend.
And to yomjoseki- Maybe you're right. So let's think outside the box. Perhaps the Eagles could keep Lito and move Sheldon Brown instead. Of course I'd like to see the Birds have all three guys at cb, but you have to look at what's best for the franchise. A top line wr, one capable of making the pro-bowl, is just worth more to the team than one of those 3 guys being the best nickel cb in the game. Armed with all the picks thay've got, they'll be drafting a replacement cb to fill out the nickel position... It all comes down to your preference-
Stud wr plus Assante Samuel plus Lito OR Sheldon plus a draft pick and Joselio Hanson as the nickel and dime, or
Current wr corps plus Samuel/Lito/Sheldon/Hanson- admittedly a top caliber cb corps
Neither is a bad thing! But I prefer the former... With all those draft picks in a VERY deep draft, the Eagles DO have the depth to offer a significant package for Mr. Fitzgerald. And plan B is Roy Williams. And Plan C is Torry Holt...
by meangreenmachine on
Mar 8, 2008 8:26 PM EST
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