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Roy Williams, the latest Eagles obsession

With Williams, the talent has never been the question
It's no secret that Eagles fans have been obsesses with the WR position for many years now. If you listen to sports talk radio or read message boards, it seems like they talk about little else... So every month there's been a new love affair with a different WR that won't ever come here. Before the season even ended, it was Chad Johnson. The the door was pretty much closed on that one.

Soon after came the crazy Larry Fitzgerald love affair. Then that ended.

Now, fueled by the same baseless speculation a new love affair has begun with Detroit Lions WR Roy Williams. Unfortunately, it appears that Williams is just as likely to be an Eagle as Fitzgerald and Johnson were....

Roy Williams not on Lions' trading block

Twice this week, a writer from another NFL city has called me to ask if the Lions have Roy Williams on the block. And now, I hear chatter on sports talk radio about the possibility of Williams being traded.

I go back to what coach Rod Marinelli said Feb. 24 at the NFL scouting combine. He doesn't want to trade Williams. He wants Williams to team with Calvin Johnson at wide receiver.

"I know the rumors are out there, but no," Marinelli said. "Those two guys together, I want to see those guys where they can really impact the game."

Marinelli doesn't see a scenario where Williams is not back with the Lions?

"I don't," Marinelli said. "I'm very confident he's here. Very confident."

Rod Marinelli sounds a lot like Joe Banner did earlier this offseason when he said he couldn't envision a scenario where McNabb wouldn't be here next year.

The Detroit media as a whole seems pretty convinced that Roy Williams will be a Lion next year

Chances of Roy Williams getting traded? One percent

Millen: Lions aren't planning to trade Williams

So it would seem pretty clear that there's no indication that the Lions are looking to trade Williams. In fact, the only reason there's any speculation is that some people have surmised that since Williams is in the final year of his contract and since the Lions have a bunch of WRs that he could be considered expendable. He's not unhappy, they're not unhappy with him, he's not making too much money, they aren't in cap trouble... To think Matt Millen would spend top 10 pick after top 10 pick trying to build a great WR corps and then trade one when he's finally got that corps is pretty nuts. Then again, so is Matt Millen...

Besides the fact that he's not available, there's another issue with Roy Williams that bothers me. He's not actually all that productive... Now, let me first qualify that by saying that I think Williams is a very talented guy. He's got prototypical size, a great pedigree, and a knack for making plays.... when he's healthy. Williams' constant injuries have been what's held him back for most of his NFL career. He's only played a full 16 games schedule once, and when he's not too injured to play he's often banged up and less effective.

For instance... 2007. Here are Roy Williams' numbers contrasted with our current starters'. Keep in mind that many Eagles fans feel we need a guy like Roy Williams because Reggie Brown isn't good enough.

Roy Williams - 63 rec 836 yds 5 TDs
Reggie Brown - 61 rec 780 yds 4 TDs
Kevin Curtis - 77 rec 1110 yds 6 TDs

Of course, Williams only played in 12 games last year... but that's just the problem. If Roy Williams was always healthy and productive, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Over his 4 year career Roy has averaged 61 rec,  912 yds, & 7 TDs a year.  Not bad numbers, but also not dramatically better than Kevin Curtis or Reggie Brown. Certainly not the numbers of a "true #1."

Like I said before though, it's not for lack of talent. Williams does have "#1" talent. Look no further than 2006, the only year he's played a full season, and his stat line of 82/1310/7 is impressive. Obviously if we ever traded for or signed Roy Williams, we'd be hoping to see the 2006 version rather than the 04, 05, or 07 version... Roy Williams has the potential to be great, but he's nowhere near the slam dunk that TO was, or Moss, Chad Johnson, or Larry Fitzgerald would have been.

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Another thing worth mentioning is that one of the reasons the Eagles seem to be down on Lito right now is his inability to stay healthy. It thus seems unlikely that they'd turn around and trade for another oft-injured player.

by ajay on Mar 14, 2008 9:38 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I rathe rhave Roy
Than chad johnson. Hes a large physical receiver who would be a great threat in the red zone.he has great hands, and you can't really copare his stats. i mean fuck look at the lions QBs in the past 4 years. Hell, look at the team he played on!

by JoeD on Mar 14, 2008 10:04 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No way
If it really were a choice between those two... Chad Johnson is an obvious choice. He produces, Roy Willams doesn't.

Chad is absolutely one of the 5 WRs in the NFL and has been for years. Roy Williams has never been in that discussion.

That said, neither are being traded...

by JasonB on Mar 14, 2008 10:09 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chad vs. Roy
Again, look at the QB's throwing the ball, and the total offensive situation.  Chad Johnson plays for a top notch NFL attack- Carson Palmer, the threat of a legitimate running game, an OL that can block, and with another top 10 NFL Receiver (WhosYoMomma).  Roy Williams has been impressive without any of these things, including, until Calvin Johnson, a big time threat on the other side.

Jason compares productiuon between Roy, ReggieB and KevinC... How do you do that when the Eagles throw more passes than almost anyone in the NFL?  Of course Eagle receiver numbers will be higher, just becuase they get more opps per game.

Roy Williams, along with Torry Holt or Anquin Boldin, represent the only real help the Eagle receiving corps can get in '08.  No rookie in the draft will be an '08 upgrade, given the complexity of learning the West Coast offense (Jerry Rice and T.O. caught <40 balls their rookie years!).  And no other worth-while #1 veteran out there appears available.

Regardless of what is said by any team's management, though, these 3 guys would be available for the right package.  Neither the Lions nor the Cards can tie long term $ up at the 1 position for TWO top 10 talents.  And the Rams are rebuilding... they'd yield a 31 year old wr for multiple starters.  But no team is going to publicly suggest a star is trade-able... that just reduces his value, and potentially upsets the player in case he is not traded.

by meangreenmachine on Mar 16, 2008 12:15 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chad and Roy
But what about Chad's age and his ego issues? Roy is younger and as far as I know doesn't come with the psychological baggage.

by ajay on Mar 14, 2008 10:44 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

when will everyone turn their focus to the draft?
it's the middle of march now, so time is running out for us to get a good rumor going about our first round pick. i figure after we get a clear signal to be disappointed about roy williams we'll focus on round 1 so we can be disappointed by a lineman.

by crickles on Mar 14, 2008 11:15 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The real question...
When will ESPN start putting their ridiculous "Countdown to NFL Draft" on their ticker?

I saw one last week for regular season college basketball -- kill me.  And they wonder why sports fans are insane.

Anyway, I say it is no less than a 1 week countdown this year.  Anyone want to go higher?

by BFH on Mar 14, 2008 11:18 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nex week...
I don't know when everyone else will turn attention to the draft... but I've got a ton of stuff ready for next week and I'm going full steam about the draft then.

by JasonB on Mar 14, 2008 11:39 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sorry
sorry to jump ahead of you jasonb. I posted a diary asking what people thought. I am extreamly interested in what you know think or might have heard though.

by NickPampani on Mar 14, 2008 12:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No need
That's that the diaries are for. I totally encourage it.

by JasonB on Mar 14, 2008 12:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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