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Reid and Heckert can draft, but they've struck out in free agency

First and foremost, I have to call your attention to an article written by Rich Hoffman in the Daily News that addresses the Eagles' ability to draft. There seems to be this meme out there that the Eagles are one of the poorer drafting teams in football. Frankly, that's just not true. In fact, Hoffman points out that the Eagles(in the Reid/Heckert era) are in the top 5 of pretty much any method you use to quantify how good a draft was.

Now, the simple fact that the Eagles have been so successful in the Reid/Heckert era(2002-2007) should be proof enough that the drafting has been pretty good. You simply can't win that much and not have drafted well. Yet for whatever reason, the meme that Reid can't draft gets propagated anyway. If you think about it, Reid/Heckert have only had one first round bust. That was McDougle, who was never healthy enough to actually play. He's still a bust, but we'll never know if the talent evaluation was correct or not.

Where the real failings have come and where you really can criticize the front office is in free agency. I would suspect that if Rich Hoffman were to compile a list of free agents signed by every team in the last few years and gauge their effectiveness, the Eagles would not be nearly as good in that dept as they are in the draft.

Let's just look at free agents brought in the same time frame(2002-2007) that Hoffman analyzed the draft...

2007
Ian Scott - Never played; Contributed nothing whatsoever
Montae Reagor - Only active for 5 games, contributed next to nothing.
Kimo Von Oelhoffen - Only active for 8 games, contributed 2 total tackles(ie: nothing)
Kevin Curtis - Good signing, probably exceeded expectations.
Bethel Johnson - Didn't make the team

2006
Darren Howard - 6 year, $30 million contract for 6 sacks in two years. Lost his starting spot in his first year.
Jabar Gaffney - Didn't make the team
William James - Demoted to 4th corner this year(if that)only active for 14 games.
AJ Feeley - Ok at best. Played in 3 games since he returned, lost both starts and threw a total of 8 INTs.
Ed Jasper - Didn't make the team
Jeff Garcia - Good signing, led the team to the playoffs and won a playoff game.
Matt Schobel - Caught 25 passes in 2 years and even when the starting TE was injured a rookie TE(Brent Celek) started over Schoebel. Has contributed very little.
Shawn Barber - Only played 13 games and was a backup.

2005
Juqua Thomas - Has probably exceeded expectations.
Mike McMahon - Horrible. Had a QB rating of 55.2 in the 9 games he played.
Not much else in 2005.

2004
Dhani Jones - Had a good 04, but downhill from there. Signed a 5 year deal and was cut before this year.
Jevon Kearse - Signed an 8 year, 60.6 million dollar deal. Never registered more than 7.5 sacks, missed all but 2 games in 06 and was inactive or played very little for most of 2007. Will likely be cut this offseason.
Jeff Blake Backup QB, never really played. Not a big deal either way.
Dorsey Levens - Actually had a solid year in 04 in a backup role.
Hugh Douglas - They brought Hugh back, but he was past his prime and had just 3 sacks and started 3 games.

2003
Jon Ritchie - Was ok in 03, but played in just 3 games in 04 and was gone.
Nate Wayne - Signed a 4 year deal and was let go the next year. Was average in 03 and played  in only 9 games in 04.

2002
Blaine Bishop - Signed a 3 year deal, lasted one year where he played 12 games.
Levon Kirkland - Played in all 16 games, was painfully slow and retired at the end of the year.
Antonio Freeman - Signed a one year deal. Caught 46 balls and 4 TDs

These were simply free agent signings. I didn't include practice squad or NFL Europe guys. I didn't include undrafted rookie free agents. I also didn't include trades like Terrell Owens, Donte Stallworth, or Mark Simoneau. This list was simply veterans signed as free agents from other teams.

In short, it's not very impressive. In fact, it's hard to find one real home run hit out of that bunch. The closest they've come is Garcia who had one good half season and Kevin Curtis who exceeded expectations in his first year but isn't exactly a pro bowler just yet...

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I wonder if we pulled the string too quickly on Gaffney. He sure has been pretty productive in NE and he wasnt that bad with out Moss and Welker.

But then again, I remember Gaffney being REALLY bad that preseason with us!

700 Level

by 700 Level on Jan 16, 2008 12:33 PM EST   0 recs

Jon Ritchie
Hard to really dismiss Ritchie.  Ritchie was the best fullback the Eagles' have had under Reid.  He was very good in 2003, but unfortunately he suffered the ACL injury Vs the Lions in 2004.

I agree with the overall point you made, but I have to disagree with your judging of Ritchie.  I wish the team had a guy like him now instead of Tapeh.

by Coatesvillain on Jan 16, 2008 12:41 PM EST   0 recs

I didn't think he was bad
But the fact is that he did only last basically one year here. It's true that there were mitigating circumstances.

So even if we don't make Jon Ritchie a negative, I wouldn't really call him a positive either.

by JasonB on Jan 16, 2008 12:52 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Ritchie
He simply never recovered his effectiveness after the ACL injury.  Its unfortunate, but it doesn't mean he was a bad signing.

by Andrew on Jan 16, 2008 1:20 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

NFL free agency
Nice work.  No, the Eagles have not had much success in signing free agents.  I wonder, however, how much success teams have had league-wide.  Until the Pats this year, I always operated under the assumption that free agency was a process where guys who were beginning their downhill slide left good teams to sign with bad teams (or to accept reduced roles with other good teams).  Maybe it's just from my experience in following the Eagles, but do free agent signings work out as well as hoped very often?

by dave in san mateo on Jan 16, 2008 1:12 PM EST   0 recs

There's some examples.
The Colts signed Vinateri and won the superbowl...

Let's look at the teams left.

New England has some obvious ones like Thomas, Seau,  Colvin, Stallworth & Gaffney to an extent. The Giants signed Kawika Mitchell who had a really nice year. The Pack signed Charles Woodson who has been great for them and DT Ryan Pickett who has been solid. The Chargers, funny enough, signed Clinton Hart from us who is starting at safety for them.

No doubt that you build from the draft, but it doesn't mean free agency doesn't have it's place.

by JasonB on Jan 16, 2008 1:45 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I think you're a little harsh
On the free agent signings. Most of those players didnt get any big contracts. They were brought in to contribute, not change the face of the franchise(save Kearse, Howard).

I think its harder bringing in certain free agents. They have to learn a whole new system, and I think thats why redskins have had little success buying big names each year.

I think the Eagles are very good at brining in undrafted free agents and getting them to contribute as well.

by JoeD on Jan 16, 2008 1:18 PM EST   0 recs

True, but...
Look at some things other teams have done with lower tier free agents.

One great example... Dallas signed Ken Hamlin on a one year deal as a stop gap in the secondary. He made the pro bowl. We signed Will James on a one year deal as a stop gap in the secondary and we know what happened to him.

The Giants signed LB Kawika Mitchell this offseason to a one year deal and he did a nice job for them. He had a pick, a couple forced fumbles, and he scored 2 defensive TDs. We traded for Spikes and didn't get nearly that production. I'm not sure any free agent LB we've signed has had that kind of production in a year. At LB this offseason we were after Ryan Fowler who couldn't hold down a starting spot with the Titans.

So it's not just about the big money guys. The Eagles signed 3 free agent DTs this offseason and not one made an impact.

by JasonB on Jan 16, 2008 1:39 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I agree
But then you have to figure in they dont pay certain posistions. We just dont break the bank for LBers.

Like I said before though, those 3 DTs we signed weren't supposed to make a huge impact anyway. Bunkley and Patterson were supposed to be our guys in the middle. I agree though, in order to get to the next level we're going to need more quality FA signings than the past.

by JoeD on Jan 16, 2008 1:51 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

The DTs
You're absolutely correct. Those guys weren't supposed to have a huge impact, but I would hope that the plan was for them to at least dress for most of the games. That's kinda my point here. I'm not asking for the Eagles to find pro bowlers every year, but they've been unable to even find solid contributors in free agency for the most part.

Those 2 DTs couldn't even get themselves in a uniform 16 times. I think it's fair to ask for a little more than that.

by JasonB on Jan 16, 2008 3:37 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

True
But remember Reagor and Scott were injured prior coming to philly. But I see where you're coming from and agree

by JoeD on Jan 16, 2008 5:31 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

2007
missing a certain linebacker, aren't you?

by abeaugh on Jan 16, 2008 1:27 PM EST   0 recs

We traded for Spikes
If that is who you were referring to...

by JasonB on Jan 16, 2008 1:33 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

On the Money
I think you are right on the money here.  Modrak seemed to do better with free agents.

Just look at the 2000 crop:

RT John Runyan
TE/LS Mike Bartrum
SAM LB Carlos Emmons
RB/KR Brian Mitchell
DT Paul Grasmanis
TE Jeff Thomason

Heckert has been good with the draft and with undrafted free agents, and his trades have been pretty good too.

Finding talent on other practice squads and the waiver wire has been abysmal though, while Modrak got us Al Harris, Darwin Walker, and Hank Fraley on waivers.

Modrak's drafts were pretty bad though.  Just 7 of his guys from 1999 to 2001 are still in the league, the 2000 draft turned out to be a big zero by 2005, and the 2001 crop was pretty weak too.

by Andrew on Jan 16, 2008 1:28 PM EST   0 recs

Forgotten some
2006 - Joselio Hanson, Jon Dorenbos
2005 - Darnerien McCants, Donald Strickland
2004 - Jeremiah Trotter
2003 - Dirk Johnson
2002 - Dorsey Levens, Shawn Barber

by Andrew on Jan 16, 2008 1:32 PM EST   0 recs

He mentioned
Dorsey and Barber.

by JoeD on Jan 16, 2008 1:48 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Doubles
They were signed twice as free agents.

by Andrew on Jan 16, 2008 2:54 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

good job
besides Runyan and a few others they have failed. Especially with the money. Kearse, Howard they had to overpay for. And they paid for what they did and not what they could eventually do. They failed to see the downhill slide of the players.

They signed Darren Howard a few years too late and they ended up getting Spikes a few years too late when they had an opportunity to get them in the past.

There best bet this off-season would be a trade when it comes to WR and they got to draft better and find some gems in free agency. This is where scouting comes in

by Hat McCulloch on Jan 16, 2008 2:15 PM EST   0 recs

Not spikes...
how about trotter?

by Bennigan on Jan 16, 2008 5:22 PM EST   0 recs

Modrak and Free agency
"I think you are right on the money here.  Modrak seemed to do better with free agents.

Just look at the 2000 crop:

RT John Runyan
TE/LS Mike Bartrum
SAM LB Carlos Emmons
RB/KR Brian Mitchell
DT Paul Grasmanis
TE Jeff Thomason"

I've been saying that a goog GM makes a difference. You also pointed out that Modraks Drafts were pretty bad.Maybe a free agent, waiver hunter type GM would help?
No, Im sorry for being rational. Bad,Bad,Bad

I would like to see total costs for all the NFL teams. Players, Coaches, Front Office everything. I would bet that the Eagles are not even close to the top. If I had to guess we would be in the bottom half.

Didn't they say that 06 Dallas Christmas game was supposed to be in Philly? I heard that Lurie didn't want to pay the Maryland based rent a cop company double time.

Maybe a GM would be too expensive for Lurie's bottom line.I think that it might be something to look at...

by topcat6 on Jan 17, 2008 2:50 AM EST   0 recs

Money
"I would like to see total costs for all the NFL teams. Players, Coaches, Front Office everything. I would bet that the Eagles are not even close to the top. If I had to guess we would be in the bottom half."

I doubt it.  The valuations in Forbes, which include earnings, don't show anything out of the ordinary for Lurie's Eagles.

And they spend more cash on players than most teams.

2000-2007, the Eagles are #4 in cash outlays on players, trailing the #1 Redskins by about $4 million.

2002-2007, the Eagles are #5 in cash outlays on players, trailing the #1 Redskins by $21 million.

2002-2004, the Eagles were #1 in cash outlays on players.

2005-2007, the Eagles were #20 in cash outlays on players, spending $39 million less than the #1 Patriots.  (Kind of ironic, the Patriots lead the league in spending during the years they haven't won the Super Bowl.)

The drop from 2005-2007 vs. 2002-2004 is an artifact of the spending spree in 2004 (Bonuses - Kearse $16M, Owens $7M, Jones $4M signings, Brown $7M, Sheppard $9M, Rayburn $1M, Lewis $1M extensions), when the Eagles spent $21 million over league average and $7 million over any team not named the Redskins.  This spending spree really constricted the team in 2005, leaving them with only enough cap space to outlay cash at the 28th ranked position in the league during a year they needed to extend Brian Westbrook.  TO and Drew Rosenhaus never understood this reality and so were blinded to why his contract was structured to make 2005 a low pay year.

by Andrew on Jan 17, 2008 9:34 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Expectations
The key word you use repeatedly in your very good post is "expectations". When you are judging drafts you can look at what rounds players were taken in to get a feel for whether they over- or under-achieved relative to expectations. It's harder with free agents. Maybe one way to do this would be to look at the guaranteed money people got (you'd have to annualize it somehow) and compare it to league average to show whether the player was a big signing or just extra depth. Of course we know this intuitively with people like Kearse and Reagor but I think the numbers would be interesting. Then you could more easily grade players against the expectations the team had for them.

by statler on Jan 17, 2008 9:03 AM EST   0 recs

That is a fair point
Although I think in some ways the Eagles own success hurts them here. Look at how well the Eagles have done drafting in late rounds and with undrafted free agents.

Those are guys with very little expectations that the Eagles spotted and got big contributions from. So it really does make me wonder how they can spot these hidden gems as undrafted rookie free agents, but not as veteran free agents?

by JasonB on Jan 17, 2008 9:22 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Impact
How many impact Veteran Free Agents are really out there in any given year?

For example, from 2005 on, who have the Eagles missed out on as a Free Agent who could have made a big impact on the team?

by Andrew on Jan 17, 2008 9:35 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

There's plenty of guys
But that's not really the point. It's not who they missed out on. I'm not really complaining that they didn't get this guy or that guy. I'm just pointing out that the guys they did get whether it's big money or small money deals have not worked in most cases and been downright bad in other cases.

Even if they didn't get the big guys like Julian Peterson, or Charles Woodson, or Steve Hutchinson, or Patrick Kerney, why would they miss out on guys like Ken Hamlin or Kawika Mitchell? These were cheap one year deals that those guys signed and they had solid years. Better years than guys like Spikes and Will James had.

by JasonB on Jan 17, 2008 9:43 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Good info, not what I meant
My point was what the team plays the Coachs and front office guys as well.

Not just the players.

I was thinking that two heads are better than one. Maybe paying another GM would be too expensive??? I dunno that's why I asked.

And Jason you are right, There are plenty of oppurtunities to pick up guys. I just think that 'they need to do a better job' in that area.

by topcat6 on Jan 17, 2008 1:17 PM EST   0 recs

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