Reid and Heckert can draft, but they've struck out in free agency
First and foremost, I have to call your attention to an article written by Rich Hoffman in the Daily News that addresses the Eagles' ability to draft. There seems to be this meme out there that the Eagles are one of the poorer drafting teams in football. Frankly, that's just not true. In fact, Hoffman points out that the Eagles(in the Reid/Heckert era) are in the top 5 of pretty much any method you use to quantify how good a draft was.
Now, the simple fact that the Eagles have been so successful in the Reid/Heckert era(2002-2007) should be proof enough that the drafting has been pretty good. You simply can't win that much and not have drafted well. Yet for whatever reason, the meme that Reid can't draft gets propagated anyway. If you think about it, Reid/Heckert have only had one first round bust. That was McDougle, who was never healthy enough to actually play. He's still a bust, but we'll never know if the talent evaluation was correct or not.
Where the real failings have come and where you really can criticize the front office is in free agency. I would suspect that if Rich Hoffman were to compile a list of free agents signed by every team in the last few years and gauge their effectiveness, the Eagles would not be nearly as good in that dept as they are in the draft.
Let's just look at free agents brought in the same time frame(2002-2007) that Hoffman analyzed the draft...
2007
Ian Scott - Never played; Contributed nothing whatsoever
Montae Reagor - Only active for 5 games, contributed next to nothing.
Kimo Von Oelhoffen - Only active for 8 games, contributed 2 total tackles(ie: nothing)
Kevin Curtis - Good signing, probably exceeded expectations.
Bethel Johnson - Didn't make the team
2006
Darren Howard - 6 year, $30 million contract for 6 sacks in two years. Lost his starting spot in his first year.
Jabar Gaffney - Didn't make the team
William James - Demoted to 4th corner this year(if that)only active for 14 games.
AJ Feeley - Ok at best. Played in 3 games since he returned, lost both starts and threw a total of 8 INTs.
Ed Jasper - Didn't make the team
Jeff Garcia - Good signing, led the team to the playoffs and won a playoff game.
Matt Schobel - Caught 25 passes in 2 years and even when the starting TE was injured a rookie TE(Brent Celek) started over Schoebel. Has contributed very little.
Shawn Barber - Only played 13 games and was a backup.
2005
Juqua Thomas - Has probably exceeded expectations.
Mike McMahon - Horrible. Had a QB rating of 55.2 in the 9 games he played.
Not much else in 2005.
2004
Dhani Jones - Had a good 04, but downhill from there. Signed a 5 year deal and was cut before this year.
Jevon Kearse - Signed an 8 year, 60.6 million dollar deal. Never registered more than 7.5 sacks, missed all but 2 games in 06 and was inactive or played very little for most of 2007. Will likely be cut this offseason.
Jeff Blake Backup QB, never really played. Not a big deal either way.
Dorsey Levens - Actually had a solid year in 04 in a backup role.
Hugh Douglas - They brought Hugh back, but he was past his prime and had just 3 sacks and started 3 games.
2003
Jon Ritchie - Was ok in 03, but played in just 3 games in 04 and was gone.
Nate Wayne - Signed a 4 year deal and was let go the next year. Was average in 03 and played in only 9 games in 04.
2002
Blaine Bishop - Signed a 3 year deal, lasted one year where he played 12 games.
Levon Kirkland - Played in all 16 games, was painfully slow and retired at the end of the year.
Antonio Freeman - Signed a one year deal. Caught 46 balls and 4 TDs
These were simply free agent signings. I didn't include practice squad or NFL Europe guys. I didn't include undrafted rookie free agents. I also didn't include trades like Terrell Owens, Donte Stallworth, or Mark Simoneau. This list was simply veterans signed as free agents from other teams.
In short, it's not very impressive. In fact, it's hard to find one real home run hit out of that bunch. The closest they've come is Garcia who had one good half season and Kevin Curtis who exceeded expectations in his first year but isn't exactly a pro bowler just yet...
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But then again, I remember Gaffney being REALLY bad that preseason with us!
by 700 Level on Jan 16, 2008 12:33 PM EST 0 recs
Jon Ritchie
I agree with the overall point you made, but I have to disagree with your judging of Ritchie. I wish the team had a guy like him now instead of Tapeh.
by Coatesvillain on Jan 16, 2008 12:41 PM EST 0 recs
I didn't think he was bad
So even if we don't make Jon Ritchie a negative, I wouldn't really call him a positive either.
by JasonB on
Jan 16, 2008 12:52 PM EST
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Ritchie
by Andrew on
Jan 16, 2008 1:20 PM EST
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NFL free agency
by dave in san mateo on Jan 16, 2008 1:12 PM EST 0 recs
There's some examples.
Let's look at the teams left.
New England has some obvious ones like Thomas, Seau, Colvin, Stallworth & Gaffney to an extent. The Giants signed Kawika Mitchell who had a really nice year. The Pack signed Charles Woodson who has been great for them and DT Ryan Pickett who has been solid. The Chargers, funny enough, signed Clinton Hart from us who is starting at safety for them.
No doubt that you build from the draft, but it doesn't mean free agency doesn't have it's place.
by JasonB on
Jan 16, 2008 1:45 PM EST
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I think you're a little harsh
I think its harder bringing in certain free agents. They have to learn a whole new system, and I think thats why redskins have had little success buying big names each year.
I think the Eagles are very good at brining in undrafted free agents and getting them to contribute as well.
by JoeD on Jan 16, 2008 1:18 PM EST 0 recs
True, but...
One great example... Dallas signed Ken Hamlin on a one year deal as a stop gap in the secondary. He made the pro bowl. We signed Will James on a one year deal as a stop gap in the secondary and we know what happened to him.
The Giants signed LB Kawika Mitchell this offseason to a one year deal and he did a nice job for them. He had a pick, a couple forced fumbles, and he scored 2 defensive TDs. We traded for Spikes and didn't get nearly that production. I'm not sure any free agent LB we've signed has had that kind of production in a year. At LB this offseason we were after Ryan Fowler who couldn't hold down a starting spot with the Titans.
So it's not just about the big money guys. The Eagles signed 3 free agent DTs this offseason and not one made an impact.
by JasonB on
Jan 16, 2008 1:39 PM EST
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I agree
Like I said before though, those 3 DTs we signed weren't supposed to make a huge impact anyway. Bunkley and Patterson were supposed to be our guys in the middle. I agree though, in order to get to the next level we're going to need more quality FA signings than the past.
by JoeD on
Jan 16, 2008 1:51 PM EST
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The DTs
Those 2 DTs couldn't even get themselves in a uniform 16 times. I think it's fair to ask for a little more than that.
by JasonB on
Jan 16, 2008 3:37 PM EST
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True
by JoeD on
Jan 16, 2008 5:31 PM EST
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We traded for Spikes
by JasonB on
Jan 16, 2008 1:33 PM EST
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On the Money
Just look at the 2000 crop:
RT John Runyan
TE/LS Mike Bartrum
SAM LB Carlos Emmons
RB/KR Brian Mitchell
DT Paul Grasmanis
TE Jeff Thomason
Heckert has been good with the draft and with undrafted free agents, and his trades have been pretty good too.
Finding talent on other practice squads and the waiver wire has been abysmal though, while Modrak got us Al Harris, Darwin Walker, and Hank Fraley on waivers.
Modrak's drafts were pretty bad though. Just 7 of his guys from 1999 to 2001 are still in the league, the 2000 draft turned out to be a big zero by 2005, and the 2001 crop was pretty weak too.
by Andrew on Jan 16, 2008 1:28 PM EST 0 recs
Forgotten some
2005 - Darnerien McCants, Donald Strickland
2004 - Jeremiah Trotter
2003 - Dirk Johnson
2002 - Dorsey Levens, Shawn Barber
by Andrew on Jan 16, 2008 1:32 PM EST 0 recs
good job
They signed Darren Howard a few years too late and they ended up getting Spikes a few years too late when they had an opportunity to get them in the past.
There best bet this off-season would be a trade when it comes to WR and they got to draft better and find some gems in free agency. This is where scouting comes in
by Hat McCulloch on Jan 16, 2008 2:15 PM EST 0 recs
Modrak and Free agency
Just look at the 2000 crop:
RT John Runyan
TE/LS Mike Bartrum
SAM LB Carlos Emmons
RB/KR Brian Mitchell
DT Paul Grasmanis
TE Jeff Thomason"
I've been saying that a goog GM makes a difference. You also pointed out that Modraks Drafts were pretty bad.Maybe a free agent, waiver hunter type GM would help?
No, Im sorry for being rational. Bad,Bad,Bad
I would like to see total costs for all the NFL teams. Players, Coaches, Front Office everything. I would bet that the Eagles are not even close to the top. If I had to guess we would be in the bottom half.
Didn't they say that 06 Dallas Christmas game was supposed to be in Philly? I heard that Lurie didn't want to pay the Maryland based rent a cop company double time.
Maybe a GM would be too expensive for Lurie's bottom line.I think that it might be something to look at...
by topcat6 on Jan 17, 2008 2:50 AM EST 0 recs
Money
I doubt it. The valuations in Forbes, which include earnings, don't show anything out of the ordinary for Lurie's Eagles.
And they spend more cash on players than most teams.
2000-2007, the Eagles are #4 in cash outlays on players, trailing the #1 Redskins by about $4 million.
2002-2007, the Eagles are #5 in cash outlays on players, trailing the #1 Redskins by $21 million.
2002-2004, the Eagles were #1 in cash outlays on players.
2005-2007, the Eagles were #20 in cash outlays on players, spending $39 million less than the #1 Patriots. (Kind of ironic, the Patriots lead the league in spending during the years they haven't won the Super Bowl.)
The drop from 2005-2007 vs. 2002-2004 is an artifact of the spending spree in 2004 (Bonuses - Kearse $16M, Owens $7M, Jones $4M signings, Brown $7M, Sheppard $9M, Rayburn $1M, Lewis $1M extensions), when the Eagles spent $21 million over league average and $7 million over any team not named the Redskins. This spending spree really constricted the team in 2005, leaving them with only enough cap space to outlay cash at the 28th ranked position in the league during a year they needed to extend Brian Westbrook. TO and Drew Rosenhaus never understood this reality and so were blinded to why his contract was structured to make 2005 a low pay year.
by Andrew on
Jan 17, 2008 9:34 AM EST
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Expectations
by statler on Jan 17, 2008 9:03 AM EST 0 recs
That is a fair point
Those are guys with very little expectations that the Eagles spotted and got big contributions from. So it really does make me wonder how they can spot these hidden gems as undrafted rookie free agents, but not as veteran free agents?
by JasonB on
Jan 17, 2008 9:22 AM EST
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Impact
For example, from 2005 on, who have the Eagles missed out on as a Free Agent who could have made a big impact on the team?
by Andrew on
Jan 17, 2008 9:35 AM EST
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There's plenty of guys
Even if they didn't get the big guys like Julian Peterson, or Charles Woodson, or Steve Hutchinson, or Patrick Kerney, why would they miss out on guys like Ken Hamlin or Kawika Mitchell? These were cheap one year deals that those guys signed and they had solid years. Better years than guys like Spikes and Will James had.
by JasonB on
Jan 17, 2008 9:43 AM EST
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Good info, not what I meant
Not just the players.
I was thinking that two heads are better than one. Maybe paying another GM would be too expensive??? I dunno that's why I asked.
And Jason you are right, There are plenty of oppurtunities to pick up guys. I just think that 'they need to do a better job' in that area.
by topcat6 on Jan 17, 2008 1:17 PM EST 0 recs






