And for people who said that the defense was playing well or was a bright spot, please stop now.

The Eagles have played two good offenses (Detroit and Dallas) and been smoked by both. The Patriots game is going to be scary.

And this team would be the Raiders without Westbrook.

If Reid keeps his job, there should be major assistant coaching changes.

At 3-5, I'd rather see them go 4-12 and get a top 5 pick then 7-9 or 8-8.

McNabb lost the game on the first snap from scrimmage by setting the tone as to how he was going to play.

It was also very difficult to understand what the defense was attempting to do in the game.  There didn't seem to be any effort to disguise what was being attempted.  Compare the defensive alignments the Eagles showed to what the Bills did three weeks ago against the Cowboys.  The Eagles were just bland vanilla the whole way.  Lots of "fundementally sound" playing and tackling, but no big plays.

On yet another day where it seemed like there were half a dozen kick-off return TD's, has our kick-off return unit ever looked so mediocre?  WTF is wrong with this unit?

Last thought, its impossible to throw to Reggie Brown if McNabb never even looks his way.  He seemed to spend most of the night looking to check down to Curtis and Westbrook on the offensive left as soon as he got the ball.  If that is all he is going to do, its time to give him the hook.

This game reminded me of that 33-10 stinker in Dallas in 2005, except that I thought we actually had a chance in that game were it not for some blown calls.

There was no fire.  From anyone.  I think I realized today that our team wasn't just recovering from injury or talented but underachieving...we plain stink.  And without any fire, I don't see that 5 game wonderstreak that happened last year happening again.  Garcia wasn't the best quarterback, but he certainly brought an energy and a determination to this team that is definitely not there now, and it's showing through the team's lack of discipline, it's inability to score touchdowns, and the various ways it loses (al michaels said it well when he pointed out the various reasons we have lost each game: offensive line, punt returns, lack of offense, bad clutch defense performance).  I think what that tells me is that this team(including mcnabb) is looking for someone to give them some kind of confidence or swagger, but no one is stepping up (westbrook is at least trying).

In other words, we need some goddamn playmakers, and that means keeping first round picks and finding guys who can help us control games, because right now, it seems totally out of our hands.

what to think of Andy Reid.  Now I don't know if his kids aren't distracting him or not (although I wonder how he can't be distracted by that situation) but either way, his coaching is terrible.  He needs to seriously overhaul his system, and start to adapt to a situation that's rapidly going down the tubes.

Even if our record ends up terrible (I'm guessing a 5-11 season) I'm for giving him another chance.  Hopefully his sons will quiet down at this point and he can concentrate a little better.  I just hope at some point he realizes the old way of doing things is not working, and he needs to change pronto.

I've always maintained that the Eagles made their playoff run last year because McNabb got hurt. Garcia was forced to step up, the team rallied around him, Andy Reid handed over the playcalling duties his more level-headed coordinator, and lo and behold, the Eagles were winners again.

There was no such event this year to unify the team and start a rally. Nothing happened to snap the players back into reality. They're just been consistently bad, and absolutely no changes have been made to correct their losing ways. Andy Reid's much publicized off-field family issues certainly haven't helped, either.

Everyone who posted here is right -- there's no fire, no intensity, and certainly no confidence in themselves as a team.

The Eagles were simply outclassed last night by a more talented team that was also way, way, WAY better prepared to play the game. It's clear that the Eagles' run of success is officially over. Time to rebuild and rethink the coaching/roster strategy for the next several years.

So the game is out of reach and we are still dinking and dunking for no particular reason. At that point, why is Westbrook on the field? He is being thrown to and running the ball (Running? Now?) And all I could think about was how he put Buckhalter in on a 3rd and 1 which he didn't make. Why would he trust Buck in that situation, but then leave in his only good player to get injured. I could see leaving McNabb out there because Andy sometimes lets him take the boos when he deserves them. But why do that to Westbrook? To me it showed a level of either disrespect or a lack of understanding about football and what this guy means to the team. Just another asinine decision on a list of asinine decisions.
I was at the game, until the end, and I can honestly say I have never seen the Linc so empty. The only way this things changes is if people stop buying tickets. They kind of have the season ticket holders by the balls, but everyone else needs to stay home.
Yeah Jeffrey, I got your gold standard right here.

For all the draft picks and free agent dollars, neither unit is dominant.  Last night, both lines got beat pretty thoroughly.  There is no hope for this team when they spend all their high picks and big dollars on a limited number of positions, and don't have that much to show for it.  Bunkley has done a nice job, but he's far from dominant.  Patterson is ok.  Trent Cole is the lone bright spot  on the d-line, and they basically got really lucky with him.  

The o-line is possibly worse.  The run blocking has been good, but both tackles look overmatched.  The guards are good, but guard play only takes you so far.  Jackson has not looked particularly good, blitzers consistently get through the A gaps, and last night the boys blew up a screen where Jackson forgot to block his man.

When the coach sees that debacle and still thinks this:

"I think we are [better than 3-5]," Reid said. "I know we are. When we get the thing changed around and get a little momentum going, we'll be fine. We've got to back-to-back some games here and get some momentum going here."

You know he is beyond the bend, has no idea, is part of the problem.

He has been overestimating the talent on this team since before they spent their first pick in the draft on a guy they knew wouldn't play for a couple of years (although, the way Donovan has been playing, maybe much sooner).  It is staggering that against all evidence he continues to do so.  (Just to give one painfully obvious example: the idea that Sean Considine can be a cover safety in the National Football League.)

If he thinks with the current players and the schedule they have ahead they are going to be anything better than 7-9 this year (and I think that is optimstic right now), he is truly in deep, deep denial.