An apologist's justification.
As a lifelong Reid supporter, I'd like to weigh in on what we, the staunch supporters of our brave head coach and his infallible vision, believe to be the case regarding the Giants recent Super Bowl victory.
Talking point #1--The Giants won because of pure luck. Skill, talent and coaching had absolutely nothing to do with any of the Giants victories this season and Eli Manning's 4900 yards passing were a function of smoke, mirrors and favorable Meadowlands winds caused by leaving tarmac gates open. And David Tyree caught the ball with his fucking helmet. Receivers of the past used their hands to do it. And don't even get me started on Manningham...he cheated by using the sophisticated and deceptive technique of quickly getting both feet down before going out of bounds for his lucky grab. He was too afraid to go over the middle, I suppose.
Talking point #2--Juan Castillo is a great defensive mind. While you might not believe that this played a role in the Giants lucky streak, you'd be wrong. It is a function of Castillo's brilliance that Tom Coughlin was so struck with fear at the prospect of playing the Eagles that he lost to them in week 11. It was precisely this loss that enabled the Giants to win the Super Bowl. Hear me out. Were it not for the loss to the Eagles in Week 11 (which in and of itself is testament to Castillo's Dick Le Beau-esque command of the game), the Giants would not have then lost to the Saints and the Packers in consecutive weeks. Castillo's superior defensive prowess cowed the Giants into submission and actually caused them to lose the following two games, you see. If THIS didn't happen, the Giants would have had an 11-5 record and would have run away with the division, breeding a case of overconfidence on the part of their team and an inevitable Packers-like letdown.
Talking point #3--Reid is a better coach than Coughlin. Sure, Coughlin has two Super Bowl wins. But really, who these days doesn't? Winning multiple Super Bowls is the new pink. Everyone does it. What's more admirable is consistency. You see, Tom Coughlin's record with the Giants is 74-54. That's a paltry .578 winning percentage. Andy Reid's record, on the other hand is 126-81-1 for a .609 winning percentage. We, the Apologists Supporters Society, would like to point out that "you've gotta be in the hunt in order to have a chance." Reid gives us the shot we need without having to rely on luck.
Talking point #4--The Eagles have the Giants number. The Eagles record over the Giants the last few years is quite good. Most of the time the Eagles play the Giants, they beat them. I guess you could look at it a bit like this...since the Giants won the Super Bowl, and the Eagles beat the Giants the last time they played them, the Eagles REALLY won the Super Bowl if you think about it. But only if you think about it.
Talking point #5--This one is straight from our defensive coordinator's mouth. Earlier, posting under the name bdawk4ever (give it up, Juan. We know it's you, big fella!) he wrote, "It helps to know that the best team doesn’t always win it, and just winning a Super Bowl doesn’t make a team great. Seriously, where will the 2011 Giants rank in Super Bowl history? Pretty far down the list." It sure does help. In fact, it helps so much that we, the Apologist Supporters Society, would like to submit our final talking point...
Talking point #6--Because of the lockout (and the fact that the Eagles didn't have a fair chance to prepare), the 2011-2012 season never happened. Because if the season did happen, the team with the most talent on paper would have won. That's always what happens.
Amen.
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the 2011-2012 season never happened.
RUXIN’D

by brisulph on Feb 7, 2012 9:33 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Didn't get to watch the Super Bowl
who won ?
I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
Dwight Howard is coming to Philly. Maybe. Probably not. But we can at least hope, that's all we have.
You watch The League?
Ruxin (a character on the show, and defending champion of their fantasy football league) declared their season null and void, and burned anything associated with The League in a Viking Funeral.
You make yourself look more like an idiot with every single post.
I'm great like Gatsby.
by Clint Eastwood on Feb 7, 2012 9:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions 12 recs
This is a post defending Reid.
You like Reid. What’s the problem?
The bad news? Castillo's back.
The good news? With the 7-9 season coming up and all the Eagles games being played at 1:00 (and in the bag for the opponent by 2:30 at the latest), we'll all have plenty of time to rake the leaves and whack off. Stock up on your Astro Glide, ladies!
I hate Reid.
He is the worst coach in the entire history of sports. He should be fire immediately and dragged through the streets of Philadelphia. Oh and fat and stupid and fat.
I'm great like Gatsby.
by Clint Eastwood on Feb 7, 2012 10:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's one way to look at it.
I prefer to look on the bright side. The guy certainly is consistent.
The bad news? Castillo's back.
The good news? With the 7-9 season coming up and all the Eagles games being played at 1:00 (and in the bag for the opponent by 2:30 at the latest), we'll all have plenty of time to rake the leaves and whack off. Stock up on your Astro Glide, ladies!
Nope.
He’s awful and a bad parent. How dare you say anything good about him. He is a terrible person. I mean how could you like a guy that’s had two losing seasons his whole career?
I'm great like Gatsby.
by Clint Eastwood on Feb 7, 2012 11:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Its not a post defending Reid. Its a post putting words in the months of defenders when few people say what put in there.
2011 New York Giants- Worst Super Bowl Champs Ever
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AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
Incredible find.
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"Stats are for fantasy and losers. Winning is an attitude."
Did you notice that it’s a green Homer? I wasn’t sure if that was too subtle or not.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
It’s not just that, he is supposed to be the Hulk so it implies they’re being a super homer. Green super homer. You win KByars, you win.
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"Stats are for fantasy and losers. Winning is an attitude."
Don't forget the most important reason the Eagles didn't win it all...
THE LOCKOUT.
Because, if there had been a training camp, Juan Castillo could have had more time to impart his brilliance to Casey Matthews. That’s really what Casey was missing – about five weeks of minicamps and TC. If he only had those five weeks, we’d of had a young Patrick Willis on our hands.
I mean, how does one prepare for a lockout? The only way one knows how! By installing a new defensive scheme and entrusting it to a guy who’s never called a single down of defense. Then, you recruit a bunch of high-paid, overhyped free agents – and hope that they can cover Victor Cruz! But that’s okay if the guy you’re paying 40 million dollars to can’t do that, even if he’s supposed to be a savvy vet, because – LOCKOUT!
Whoops!
You did mention the lockout last… I think Angry Ruxin distracted me from it.
I was reading your article perfectly until the very end, and in the last segment of the article my ability to comprehend what’s right in front of me failed miserably. The good news? I’m up for a position on the Eagles Defensive staff. That’s the kind of high-motor mentality that gets a guy a 2nd year at Coordinator.
by UnclaimedFright on Feb 7, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah...
…but you worked extra hard to go back and check your mistake. It was my fault. I didn’t put you in a position to succeed. You are a high motor man.
The bad news? Castillo's back.
The good news? With the 7-9 season coming up and all the Eagles games being played at 1:00 (and in the bag for the opponent by 2:30 at the latest), we'll all have plenty of time to rake the leaves and whack off. Stock up on your Astro Glide, ladies!
Lol, High Motor.
That should be BGN’s own little meme.
"I once had a friend named Charlie, and Charlie was always late to school
He had a black eye one day, but he wouldn’t say just what happened to him
Charlie got mad in class one day, and stood up with a .22 pistol
Told everybody that he couldn’t take it anymore, he was over being the victim"
Thanks, coach!
I’m going to start putting in 27 hour days!
Don’t ask why it looks like I’m asleep on the sideline.
by UnclaimedFright on Feb 8, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Actually it's the opposite,
Juan thought the lockout would help Casey… it’d allow him to have more educational dinner table conversations with his elite family.
Eli Manning’s 4900 yards passing were a function of smoke, mirrors and favorable Meadowlands winds caused by leaving tarmac gates open.
Eli certainly played great this year, but I swear I have never seen so many deep jump balls caught or 6 yard outs turned into 80 yard TD’s. I won’t go as far to say they got to and won the SB because of luck, as they certainly earned it – but to quote Sidney Deane, “The sun even shines on a dog’s ass some days”
This,
Is also true. Eli perfected his “Hakeem Nicks, you’re 6’5, jump 10 feet in the air so the 5’10 DB can’t interfere with your catch” pass.
by UnclaimedFright on Feb 8, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
It's the same as mcnabb/Vick busted play...
And hit Jackson for the 80 yarder. If it would have got you to the dance… It’s all good offense.
by SJBBfan on Feb 8, 2012 3:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I'm not saying it's a BS play.
I’d run that play all day if I were the Giants. I’m just saying – that was your bread and butter play, and really only requires Eli to chuck the ball ten feet in the air. Eli can thread the needle, but he’s not Drew Brees.
by UnclaimedFright on Feb 8, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
On the contrary...
Hakeem Nicks is actually a shade under 6’1"… he just looks 6’5" when he goes to get the ball because he has long arms and enormous hands (perhaps the largest of any WR in the league).
I only know this because as recently as a few weeks ago I could’ve sworn that Nicks was at least 6’3" or 6’4"… until I checked out his player page.
Yup, he’s the same size as Maclin is.
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"Stats are for fantasy and losers. Winning is an attitude."
Really? That's astounding.
He plays really tall, as silly as that sounds.
by UnclaimedFright on Feb 8, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
Damn
For some odd reason I thought the guy was a skyscraper. He is my height… wow
by Two Nickels on Feb 13, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
He’s about half an inch taller than Maclin.
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"Stats are for fantasy and losers. Winning is an attitude."
Maclin si another guy that takes too much shit around here
he had some ill-timed drops this year, yes, but over the long haul that will even out. He is your best WR, and dude is a threat on every play.
You’re preaching to the choir.
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"Stats are for fantasy and losers. Winning is an attitude."
I think, generally,
Maclin gets a pass. People might be griping about him, because he DID cost us one game (49ers) and his drop ended a game against the Falcons, but you’d have to search pretty hard for anyone arguing Maclin should leave, demoted, or penalized in any way.
by UnclaimedFright on Feb 10, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Whoops, see that it’s been mentioned. My apologies.
"the Patriots aren't that good." -Freddie Mitchell
Yeah,
That’s really astounding to me. It just seems like he’s a good foot taller than the DBs assigned on him in some of these games.
by UnclaimedFright on Feb 8, 2012 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
EB’s a heckuva guy.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
Heckuva job, Brownie.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
Long live ASS!
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 7, 2012 10:49 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I would love to see a group chat between FanSince09, FakeWIPCaller, and EB, by the way. That would be amazing.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 7, 2012 10:52 PM EST reply actions
Toss in JIBTA, @LOLMets and The Real LT and you could make some money off of that.
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"Stats are for fantasy and losers. Winning is an attitude."
Haha EB you’re crazy.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Mikesta on Feb 7, 2012 11:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
So, you're saying I'm an ASS.
I guess I am. Huh. Go figure.
"Obviously, I lobbied for him to be here. But what a difference a year makes." -- Donovan McNabb
I think Kurt Warner said it really well (on Eli)
“I know we put a lot of weight on championships, and rightfully so. But championships are won as a team, and I’m fully convinced of that. You never see one guy — a great player, great quarterback — carry a team through the playoffs and into a Super Bowl and win a Super Bowl that way. I’ve never seen it. You know even in that game [Super Bowl XLVI], it’s 21-17. That’s the game. There wasn’t a quarterback just up and down the field carrying the team.”
Warner had a very solid point, and he elaborated on that further.
“He’s had two great playoff runs, or his team has had two great playoff runs. But I also look at the rest of his career. I mean, he has an 82 . . . quarterback rating throughout his career. You know, he’s had five of his eight seasons where he has thrown 16 interceptions or more. His completion percentage on his career is 58 percent. To me, those aren’t Hall of Fame numbers and by that I mean every time you step on the field you’re a game changer, you’re a difference maker. And I don’t believe Eli Manning has been that guy until this year. I think this year is the first time in his career when he’s become that guy.”
by VBG on Feb 8, 2012 12:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Warner certainly has valid points. I'd say that Eli's had very good seasons in 2008 and 2009
He carried the team in the 2007 playoffs, in 2009 (they went 8-8 but only because of him…no WRs, no RBs, no defense), and in 2011.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 8, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
I thought that it was more defense than Eli in 2007
You’ll get no argument about this year, though. I agree with Warner for the most part. Other than the two SB titles, there are no playoff wins. He’s only won one home playoff game for that matter. Those two titles are important, but the HOF is about the whole body of work. Now, if in the next several seasons we see a continuation of his play this year (don’t necessarily mean titles) then the HOF will start to enter the picture.
Go Eagles!
I hope for Warner's sake
they ignore the lost third of his career where he was TERRIBLE/a back-up, or he ain’t making the hall either.
Those are some awfully sour grapes, considering current events.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
Just calling it as I see it
if it helps, I don’t think Eli is Hall worthy yet either.
Eli had a 96 QB rating in the 2007 playoffs, 6:1 TD:INT
So he definitely was a main reason, along with the defense, in that run.
As far as your point goes, I wholeheartedly agree. He isn’t HOF yet, but if he has a few more seasons like the one he had this year, where he obviously carried the team, then its a different story.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 8, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
How many QB's
…that won two Super Bowl’s AREN’T in the hall of fame. Please correct me here if I am wrong, but stats be damned, he could retire this year and he’d stil be a shoo in.
Whoever you are, when I log off, you cease to exist.
The operative IQ of a group is no higher than that of it's lowest scoring member.
I reserve the right to hold other posters to a higher standard than I myself maintain. Why? Because I am an unrpentent lout. Deal with it.
Jim Plunkett was the only one that didn't make the HOF. However, every QB that's gotten multiple SB MVPs has...so who knows.
I just think Eli needs to keep up this high play for a couple more years and he should be good.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 8, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Warner should be careful
A lot his stats are about the same as Eli’s. And he got thrust into a ready built offense at the beginning of his career (made the most of it) then he stunk and then he had 2 good years late. Of all people, I’d think he’d be the last one to look down on Super Bowl play, cause that’s the foundation of the argument for him getting in.
Eli is our King!
Warner, from an objective analysis of his comments, has a point.
But its coming from a subjective commentator, one who probably has sour grapes.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 8, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Eli doesn’t seem like the QB that could win in a shootout game. But he does manage the ball well and make clutch passes. Brady got to the superbowl with a great offense and an inconsistent mediocre defense. If you took replaced Brady with Eli, the Pats don’t make it to the superbowl.
Formerly known as The Pied Piper
an inconsistent mediocre defense....isn't that what the Giants dealt with all year?
We were ass for almost the entire year.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 8, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
nor would the Giants if you put Brady in for Eli
Giants run a very specific offense, people underestimate Eli’s accuracy and arm strength because the offense is so demanding. And he takes a pounding. How would Tom Brady have been in the SF game?
Eli is our King!
Can't win a shootout?
Check week 14 @ Dallas, 2011. Do or die game game, Giants down 12 with under 5 mins to go, and they ended up winning 35-33ish.
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
What makes Eli dangerous
Is that he’s literally the undead. Nosferatu. Lurch from the Addams Family. Staggering around, never gets too high or too low emotionally. Throws a pick— you get Manningface. Throws a TD to the salsa dancer, maybe a fist pump, maybe, but you get the same Manningface. He’s clutch because you have to have a scintilla of emotion to choke.
It’s like having the teacher from Ferris Beuller as your quarterback.
by ghostofandrewatters on Feb 8, 2012 5:00 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
My Giants fan friend was giving me shit today, sent me a pic of Eli w. the trophy. I told him Eli could win 8 rings and he’d still be one of the few professional athletes I wouldn’t trade places with. This kind of touches on why, chicks don’t like Nosferatu-esque dudes
This is Eli's wife.

dunno bout you, but I’d def hit.
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 9, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
You need to be suspended from this site for atleast a month
But yea Id clearly hit…. Im gonna go ahead and assume hes pussywhipped and shes cheating on him with Peyton
ha :)
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 9, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I happily be whipped by her.
Ernie Accorsi to Wellington Mara upon drafting Eli Manning, "This kid id going to win you a championship, and he's going to win you more than one."
Ernie is the Man(ning)
One of his biggest strengths. He never seemingly gets that rattled one way or the other nor does he bark at his teammates. Also has great presence in the pocket & a willingness to take a hit. About the biggest downside to his game at this point is that he will make poor decisions & force passes if he is rushed or he feels as if he has to rally the troops by himself.
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Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"
What a load of garbage
Talking point #1- The Giants won because of pure luck.
Nobody said it was pure luck. But they sure as hell had more than their fair share of luck.
Talking point #2—Juan Castillo is a great defensive mind.
Nobody said Juan is a great defensive mind. What I said at least is that he has shown enough to be competitive. And good play and coaching is how the beat the SB champs in NY with Vince Young as QB. The rest of what you said is just crazy.
Talking point #3— Reid is a better coach than Coughlin.
Actually I have to agree with this one. Coughlin’s teams are a mess that get there despite what he does (Two months ago they wanted Coughlin fired). Reid’s teams are good because of what he does. Reid gives us a better shot because you need luck to win.
Talking point #4—The Eagles have the Giants number.
When comparing teams, this is a good metric. Focusing on just Super Bowls is stupid. Trent Dilfer is a SB winning QB. Was he great?
Talking point #5—This one is straight from our defensive coordinator’s mouth. Earlier, posting under the name bdawk4ever (give it up, Juan. We know it’s you, big fella!) he wrote, “It helps to know that the best team doesn’t always win it, and just winning a Super Bowl doesn’t make a team great. Seriously, where will the 2011 Giants rank in Super Bowl history? Pretty far down the list.” It sure does help. In fact, it helps so much that we, the Apologist Supporters Society, would like to submit our final talking point…
Real nice. Maybe defend your points instead of making patently false and insulting accusations.
Talking point #6—Because of the lockout (and the fact that the Eagles didn’t have a fair chance to prepare), the 2011-2012 season never happened. Because if the season did happen, the team with the most talent on paper would have won. That’s always what happens.
Do you read what you write? This whole post is supposedly about what we believe. You include me in the previous point. Then you go ahead and write the EXACT opposite of what I said. How does that make sense?
Which exactly the question everybody should ask about your posts.
2011 New York Giants- Worst Super Bowl Champs Ever
Yess, let the anger flow through you.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
by KByars on Feb 9, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
uhh...err....
…I think this was a satire written in a ‘tongue in cheek’ style, bdawk. He doesn’t really believe that Reid is better than Coughlin, he doesn’t really believe the giants are just lucky, and he doesn’t really believe that superbowls are not a meaningful measure of a good team. You may want to re-read using that lens. Just sayin’
by ExileOnBroadStreet on Feb 15, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
No, he got it.
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I find this quote to be particularly illuminating
Focusing on just Super Bowls is stupid
"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle
by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 17, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent analysis Evilbanner
Another talking point in keeping AR, is the stay the course mindset that good teams use to maintain continuity in their approach to greatness. Recent examples of Bill Cowher and the Steelers, after 14 glorious seasons of the players and fans buying in to the approach are rewarded with a Super Bowl win. Would the Eagles deny AR that greatness and the possibility of sitting near Boomer Esiason someday deftly analyzing the play of lesser teams then those fielded by AR. I think not. Stay the course with Andy should be the rallying cry of the organization.
If EvilBanner fell in a meat grinder and wound up as a cheesesteak
And Andy Reid ate him, would Andy be a cannibal, or would he have to know he was eating EvilBanner to be a cannibal? My wife says you are would be a cannibal, regardless, but I disagree.
No, cannibalism is usually a negative association, something done by choice. If it happens out of necessity or ignorance (such as this case, where Reid doesn’t know he’s consuming EB’s flesh), it falls under the more general anthropophagy. So I have to agree with you here, and disagree with your wife.
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My cardiologist tells me to cut back on grease,
sweets, and bitter sarcasm. It’s with great regret that I have to pass on entering an engaging debate with you.
But I will offer this little tidbit. This reads like a sarcastic back seat driver wife I had since divorced. She never took responsibility for getting us anywhere. But she complained about “too fast” “we’re gonna be late” “there was a faster way but you missed the turn”.
Enough with the “you F’d up andy” posts. We get it, you want the man gone. Funny thing is, folks who only know how to post “you f’d up” are at a loss when someone asks them “who would you sign” or “what would you do?”
As bad as you feel Andy is, and as many SB’s and playoff victories you believe Andy has left on the table – do you or any of the negative posts even acknowledge that it could be much worse? If you believe that Andy needs to take risks, he cannot avoid the odds of only succeeding at those risks.
Yes, the Matthews starting MLB was a bonehead. Yes, we all knew the LB’s of 2010 would be hot garbage in the washburn wide 9 in 2011.
But we improved with the wide 9. we improved the defense to a point where we can cite a couple fixes and we should be good in 2011.
We crapped on offense… with the turnovers. That never was Juan Castillo’s fault and yet nobody talks to that except those of us “defending Castillo”. Nobody put MM’s nutz in the vice, but I think we’d have a better year with Childress back as our OC than MM.
2012 will be different. And like a new deal from the same old deck of cards, this time we may get a winning hand.
Andy Reid is playing a deck of cards. It’s the same old deck. But depending how the cards fall, we might get a winner.
That’s the part of the analysis haters ignore. it’s not rocket science. It’s a gamble.
shuffle em up and deal em.
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