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NFLPA Still Fighting Against HGH Testing

Here's a pretty undeniable fact. People don't like cheaters and people regard those who use steroids as cheaters. Look at the reputation of any athlete that's been caught as evidence of that. Generally, it can't be denied that using steroids is seen as wrong.

So why is the NFLPA so against HGH testing in the NFL?

The union managed to get HGH testing set to the side during the CBA negotiations last summer. Then they dragged their feet through the year and managed to put it off more. Now, with the season virtually over, the owners have renewed their push for HGH testing and as you can imagine, DeMaurice Smith and his guys are still fighting it. The pretense he's using is that the owners are trying to "bully" the union into a testing program.

"No one will bully us into a test," Smith said Thursday. "No one will force the players to accept something that's unfair. How could we?"

The union has raised questions about the detection methods and appeals process.

"We are going to continue to fight and ensure that due process is something that is not thrown away at the expense of just having the test," said Smith, who is up for re-election in March.'

What he never explains is why the owners would want to "bully" the players into getting tested or how they'd stand to gain. Probably because there is no good reason. Plus, that's really a side issue that has nothing to do with the reason why the players refuse to get tested for HGH.

His excuse about science does address that issue, but is even more absurd. The Olympics, most of other American sports, most other global sports all are comfortable with the standards in HGH testing, but somehow the NFL players aren't? They want us to believe that they're reluctant to submit to HGH testing because they're not sure enough about the science? Seriously?

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Dick Pound, who used to be the head of the World Anti Doping Agency isn't buying it. He says that "there is known and suspected use of HGH" in the NFL (as evidenced by the Carolina Panthers scandal) and that the players are dragging their feet because of that and inventing the excuse about science as cover.

"Even more resourceful off the field than on it, the players, acting through their union, the NFLPA, have turned to their ubiquitous lawyers to throw as much sand as money can buy into the gears of an effective testing program," Pound wrote in his op-ed. "So, the lawyers, in a feat of self-generated alchemy, have turned themselves into scientists and now spout supposedly principled concerns about the reliability of scientific tests for HGH."

I'm pretty sure I know why the players are doing whatever they can to avoid having HGH testing in the game, but I'm curious as to what you all think. Do they just want to keep cheating and getting away with it? Should they submit to HGH testing ever?

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HGH = faster recovery time = bigger, faster players = better performance on Sunday = bigger paychecks

Low risk, high reward.

De Smith is now returning to lockout De Smith, where everything he says comes off as bluster and makes my skin crawl. All we need is for yet another comparison to slavery and it’ll be vintage Summer 2010!

by Eagle Fly Free on Feb 3, 2012 3:22 PM EST reply actions  

there's no way any of this is true

simply because that guy’s name is “Dick Pound”.

by RogerPodacter on Feb 3, 2012 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah that is a pretty unfortunate name….

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by JasonB on Feb 3, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Why wouldn’t be go by Rich instead? Or his middle name? Crazy.

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by bdawk4ever on Feb 3, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha

If nobody else mentioned that, I was sure going to.

by ChillBillinChina on Feb 3, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

listen

I hate to take this stance but hgh is going to be an issue when you have players on Sunday night and again on Thursday. That’s too much- these guys can’t recover that quickly. Space out the games and give them time to really rest; otherwise I don’t blame them for using it.

It’s so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don’t say it.

by sb2bowl on Feb 3, 2012 4:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

That's a garbage excuse

Everyone will still be on a level playing field…..everyone will be hurt/sore/slow to recover all the same. If nothing else, expand the active rosters some to allow for more active players. More rest during game day. Sure it will water down the talent on the field, but it’s better then spacing out the games.

by slandog on Feb 3, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

But when you havent properly recovered

You are more likely to be injured. When you get injured you simultaneously lose the ability to play the game you love and make money.

by D3DT on Feb 3, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

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My comment was to the guy above. Slow down the frequency of the games or let them recover how they see fit. Regulate hgh. Doctors want to prescribe and give it to them I’m all for it. Do some research. Your body already produces it

It’s so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don’t say it.

by sb2bowl on Feb 3, 2012 5:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

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My comment was to the guy above. Slow down the frequency of the games or let them recover how they see fit. Regulate hgh. Doctors want to prescribe and give it to them I’m all for it. Do some research. Your body already produces it

It’s so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don’t say it.

by sb2bowl on Feb 3, 2012 5:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You're more likely to get injured

When you artificially heal/build muscle.

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by JasonB on Feb 3, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s bogus. Games used to be Sunday and Monday. Plenty of time to recover. Go work out at their intensity and then tell me your ready to go again in three days. That’s retarded

It’s so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don’t say it.

by sb2bowl on Feb 3, 2012 5:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm an old eff

But games used to be Sunday. And when I was born, there were only 48 stars on the flag. Monday Night Football is a recent addition, geologically speaking.

by Live from Quahog on Feb 3, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry

But I disagree. Hgh is used for both growth and repair. Doses during the season would be for recovery; they aren’t trying to grow then. And its not artificially building/repairing muscles. This stuff is NATURALLY produced by your body, they simply add more to it (same as Testosterone).

Why do you think they use? In the offseason I could see them using both hgh and ‘roids, that’s for sure. A lot of players do. But, during the season, I could see it as a tool to recover and get ready for the next one.

Listen, you have to do A LOT of this stuff to see serious growth. I’m talking months and months and months with very high doses.

It’s so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don’t say it.

by sb2bowl on Feb 3, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

must've been awkward during role call in high school...

Matthews, Jeffrey. O’Brian, Michael. Pound, Dick.

by STZ513 on Feb 3, 2012 4:06 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

…because every single player in the NFL will test positive?

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by philiafan14364 on Feb 3, 2012 4:10 PM EST reply actions  

Dick Pound, who used to be the head of the World Anti Doping Agency isn’t buying it.

Just a classic quote for someone like me who constantly has perverted thought running through my mind. LOL!

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by uhrsker on Feb 3, 2012 4:15 PM EST reply actions  

i'm okay with this

And while I agree that Olympians represent the “best” in the world, NFL players endure far more punishment. Its a violent, violent sport.

What other sports endure injuries on a scale like this? Other seasons are a marathon, there’s opportunity to sit someone and rest them.

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by corn on the kolb on Feb 3, 2012 4:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

My roommate is all for steroids and other PED in sports. His thought is “We try to get the fastest cars, so why not try to get the strongest men?”

Then again, he is an odd bird.

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by bdawk4ever on Feb 3, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand where he is coming from

I dont agree though.
My big problem is sure a lot of guys arent doing that and its unfair to the guys who arent doping.

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by Udalango on Feb 3, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I’m an odd bird, too. But I’m for it. There needs to be some type of limitation, some of the stuff can be very harmful. But to blanket statement that its 100% bad is wrong too.

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by corn on the kolb on Feb 3, 2012 4:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It’s not even legal.

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by JasonB on Feb 3, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

In the sense that antibiotics are illegal, because you need a prescription

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by rich316 on Feb 3, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The marvel

of athletes is that they represent peak human physical development. If they are attaining this phenomenal physique, strength and stamina through unnatural means, then that dilutes the wonder of their achievements. It will also filter down to college then high school athletes. While NFL players have all sorts of doctors and experts to help them get optimal and safe doses of stuff like this, the average 17 year old does not, but will still be inspired to use drastic measures to improve his performance and be like the pros. Sadly, they will overdo it or not take the proper precautions to stem the negative side effects, and can do themselves significant damage. It’s scary but true, and the NFL is accountable to its fans and admirers in areas like this.

by ChillBillinChina on Feb 3, 2012 4:41 PM EST reply actions  

I was going to reply to the story

But then I read this, and I don’t have to. You said it so well, ChillBill.

by Live from Quahog on Feb 3, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

People make their own choices. What one person does is not necessarily what another should do. If a 17 year old wants to do this stuff (which I have to wonder why, because their body is in peak growing season) they should research it out. And how are they getting hgh anyways?

It’s so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don’t say it.

by sb2bowl on Feb 4, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

funny how 90% of the coments are on the “Dick Pound” name which i also find hilarious but in all seriousness they’ve been doing it for decades. If this comes into effect the game is going to slow down so much. Players all around the league are going to become smaller,weaker and slower. It will allow the “good guys” to rise to the top but i honestly think it will hurt the sport. it wont be as exciting

by phillyfan330 on Feb 3, 2012 4:43 PM EST reply actions  

Dick Pound

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by Djax10 on Feb 3, 2012 5:14 PM EST reply actions  

dick pound for president!

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by So. Cal Swag on Feb 3, 2012 5:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

This is always going to be a problem. Even if the NFL can stop players from using HGH, a new more elusive and effective drug isnt far behind.

by Nardawg16 on Feb 3, 2012 7:03 PM EST reply actions  

Dick Pound

The NFL’s answer to NASCAR’s Dick Trickle.

by Live from Quahog on Feb 3, 2012 11:54 PM EST reply actions  

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