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Beating Up on Bad Teams?

Part of the discussions regarding the "ranking" of the Eagles defense was that this defense was only ranked so high because it beat up on "bad" teams. As we've seen ad nauseam now, the Eagles defense ended the year ranked 10th in PPG and 8th in YPG. I've decided to do a fairly simple analysis to determine how much this defense was beating up on the bad teams. Since this is a team sport, I also looked at the Eagles offense because they were highly ranked as well, 8th in PPG and 4th in YPG to be exact.


After the jump is an explanation of my methodology, some charts and quick thoughts about each of them.

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To conduct this I came up with an "adjusted" PPG for all of the NFL offenses and defenses. Don't worry, it's fairly simple and not all Football Outsidery.


The rankings for both offense and defense are based upon the TOTAL team points scored and TOTAL team points given up. These include special teams and defensive touchdowns. Obviously, it's not the defense's fault if the offense throws a pick six and the offenses shouldn't get credit if their defense scores a pick six. So I adjusted all of the NFL teams' points for and against by taking out those special team/defensive TD's plus their subsequent extra points. For example, the Eagles scored 396 points on the year for an average of 24.8 PPG. But, the defense (we had no special team TDs) scored of 30 of those points (4 TDs and a safety). In reality the offense was only responsible for 366 points, or 22.9 PPG. And for the Eagles defense, there was 14 points scored against the Eagles when the defense wasn't even on the field. That drops their total points and average from 328 and 20.5 to 314 and 19.6.

I adjusted all of the points for and against for all the teams and then re-ranked them. The Eagles offense and defense each fell by a spot in the rankings to 9 and 11 respectively.


Ok, so all of that was to explain where my rankings and averages came from. On to the charts. For these charts I took the difference between the points scored by just the Eagles' offense or given up by just the Eagle's defense and their opponent's adjusted season averages given up and scored. I then plotted those differences against their adjusted rankings in order from lowest to highest. The lower the ranking, the better the defense/offense the Eagles were playing against. That means that if the Eagles were beating up on bad teams for both offense and defense, then the results to the far right would be much better.


First up is the Eagles offensive performance. The blue bars are wins and the red bars are losses. The gray bars are the differentials between the opponent's offense and defense. That means that if the defense held the opponent to its offense's average that's how much the Eagles would have to outscore their opponent by in order to win. For offense, having a positive differential is better. That means the Eagles outscored their opponent's defensive season average.

My takeaways from this chart:
• Eagles didn't really beat up on the bad teams any more than the rest of the league. In fact they were on the positive side against 5 of the best 8 defenses they faced this year.
• Twice the Eagles lost despite outscoring the opponent's defense by 9+ pts. Just looking at the numbers I would say the offense did its job those two games and the defense cost the Eagles those games.
• In one game, the offense failed to make up the differential yet the Eagles still won. Just based upon the numbers, I would say the Eagles defense stole that game for them.

Next is the Eagles defensive performance. For this chart, negative is better. That means the Eagles held their opponent to less than their season average. The gray bars are the difference between the opponent's defensive and offensive averages. That is the number of points that the defense would have to hold the opponent's offense to if the Eagles' offense only scored the number of points that their opponent's gave up on average.


My thoughts:

• Similar to the offense, the Eagles really didn't beat up on the bad teams. In fact they did pretty well against some of the better offenses they played.
• Except for the Ram's game, the Eagles only won when the defense held their opponent to less than their opponent's season average, but the defense was still below the differential so it shouldn't have mattered anyways.
• There was one game where the defense held their opponent below their opponent's team differential, but the Eagles still lost. I would put that game on the offense.


I also plotted the differentials between the yards gained and given up and the opponent's season averages. I consider this another way to see how much each unit was beating up on the bad teams. As with the other charts, the blue bars are wins and the red bars are losses. Positive is good for offense and bad for defense.

Both units did a good job of gaining more or giving up less against the better teams the Eagles faced.

Here is a table of some of the raw data.

What are your thoughts on the charts I presented?

If you have any questions about this work put them in the comments and I will do my best to answer them. Also, if there are any other relationships or data you would like to see that pertains to what I've presented here let me know and I will see if I have time to oblige.

Random Stats I came across while doing this:
• Biggest difference between Standard Offensive Ranking and Adjusted was the Bears. They went from 17th to 24th. They had 72 points from their defense and special teams.
• The Saints had the highest Adj PPG for the season at 32.4. The Packers were 31.9.
• The Rams were a paltry 10.9 Adj PPG.
• Biggest difference between Standard Defensive Ranking and Adjusted were the Chiefs (12th to 17th), the Falcons (18th to 13th) and Jets (20th to 15th).
• Jets had the most defensive/special teams points scored against them with 44.

Update: I forgot to give credit where credit is due. I used http://www.pro-football-reference.com/ as the starting source for all of my data.

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why does everyone put after the jump?

on the front page it makes sense bc you have to go into the post to see the rest of it.

At least one more year of Andy and Juan. If they don't win it all they both better be gone!

No way Eagles draft a LB in the first round 2012.

We will see if Spags was in the right place at the right time in the Gmens SB run. Or was that the fluke year and he really is just mediocre.

by MightyJoeBanner on Feb 3, 2012 8:56 AM EST reply actions  

If you go to the FanPosts section it will only show what is above the jump. Same as how the front page works.

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by derbyguy on Feb 3, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

For mobile users

With no jump the entire post shows up.

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by Udalango on Feb 3, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

BUT Great Job man!

The offense was more of a problem this year. People just need to blame something and for whatever reason(4th qtr blow ups) Juan is the culprit. I’m not sure I disagree that Juan was to blame for us NOT being DOMINANT with the guys we had, but overall for a first year he did pretty well.

If next year it’s the same song…..fire the el’ bastardo!

At least one more year of Andy and Juan. If they don't win it all they both better be gone!

No way Eagles draft a LB in the first round 2012.

We will see if Spags was in the right place at the right time in the Gmens SB run. Or was that the fluke year and he really is just mediocre.

by MightyJoeBanner on Feb 3, 2012 9:02 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks

This is my sentiment as well, even before I did this work.

I mean. This is a points scoring competition at its most basic level.

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by derbyguy on Feb 3, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow

You need to post more often. Rec’d as many times as I can. Which is once. But yeah, rec’d.

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by AnthroEagle on Feb 3, 2012 10:54 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks

Wish I could, but work and life make it tough.

2011 National Champs in Men's Basketball
FIRE DeLEONE
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Superbowl: Hoping for the meteor
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by derbyguy on Feb 3, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I hate it when life gets in the way of shit. lol

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by AnthroEagle on Feb 3, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Good post bro Rec'd (Should be front paged)

I’m sick of people saying that it we were beating up on bad teams. They were doing well at the time. Plus any given sunday…

#DontfuckupJuan
Come on Andy

Shady McCoy is Still Dirty

Ravens 4 SB '12

by rohan915 on Feb 3, 2012 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks

Would be cool if it got front paged!

2011 National Champs in Men's Basketball
FIRE DeLEONE
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Superbowl: Hoping for the meteor
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by derbyguy on Feb 3, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Good work

Except your data is wrong. Unless the giants had the exact same data Both times that we played them.

by Saidrick on Feb 3, 2012 11:22 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Same with Dallas the skins.

Are you averaging the teams we played twice?

by Saidrick on Feb 3, 2012 11:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Gray bars are going to be the same

Because those represent the difference between the opponent’s offensive and defensive season averages, so that number is the same for both games that the Eagles played each of their NFC East opponents.

The blue bars for the defense against the Cowboys (ranked 10th in adjusted offense) are the same because the Cowboys only scored 7 pts in each of those games, so the Cowboys scored 15.6 points below their season average in each of those games.

2011 National Champs in Men's Basketball
FIRE DeLEONE
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Superbowl: Hoping for the meteor
1967: Embrace it

by derbyguy on Feb 3, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I was referring to the raw data table.

by Saidrick on Feb 3, 2012 11:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Same thing then

Those are all of our opponent’s average’s and adjusted averages, so it would be the same for both games against NFC East opponents.

2011 National Champs in Men's Basketball
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Superbowl: Hoping for the meteor
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by derbyguy on Feb 3, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Table got cut off I just noticed

Here is the whole thing.

2011 National Champs in Men's Basketball
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Superbowl: Hoping for the meteor
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by derbyguy on Feb 3, 2012 11:49 AM EST reply actions  

AFC Super Bowl representatives?

Uh, I would like to say that the AFC Super Bowl Representatives are the epitome of beating up on bad teams, 13-3, with 13 wins coming against teams with .500 or less winning %. Two of their three losses came against the only teams they played who ended up with a winning record. The Eagles record obviously doesn’t represent how dominant they could’ve been if they could close out games in the 4th. They were hosing the 49ers going into the 4th who just happened to end up in NFC Championship game with a 13-3 record. But after all the violins, we don’t beat bad teams, we beat the teams we should’ve and lost to teams we shouldn’t. Preach a clutch defense anyone?

by PKilllaaa on Feb 3, 2012 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

I rec'ed it

This is a great post and wish the average fan would take the time to read and understand this stuff. “Fire Juan!” “Fire Andy!” and “Fire Marty!” are all much easier than stepping back and realizing that the sky isn’t falling and that the Eagles have a good shot at being a very good football team next year.

Cowboys suck.

by stinkypants on Feb 3, 2012 1:13 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks

Agreed. I think people get focused on one piece way too intently sometimes and forget that it is a team game and there is more to it than just the defense or offense. The proverbial “not seeing the forest for the trees.”

2011 National Champs in Men's Basketball
FIRE DeLEONE
Eat a bagel (like a mumu)
Superbowl: Hoping for the meteor
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by derbyguy on Feb 3, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Fire Bobby April

No Special Team TDs. I am outraged!

Nice work, derbyguy.

by Live from Quahog on Feb 3, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent job.

You obviously put a lot of work in to this and it shows. It might not make anyone reevaluate their POV, but it’s a good set of data for discussion nonetheless.

Clear eyes, full bologna sandwiches!

by NOLACuse on Feb 3, 2012 1:29 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks

I’d be surprised if anyone did change their opinion. It is the internet after all.

2011 National Champs in Men's Basketball
FIRE DeLEONE
Eat a bagel (like a mumu)
Superbowl: Hoping for the meteor
1967: Embrace it

by derbyguy on Feb 3, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

REC'D

Great effort, good data. Well done sir.

by The Reddgie on Feb 3, 2012 3:07 PM EST reply actions  

Fan-freaking-tastic!

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by immynimmy on Feb 3, 2012 3:07 PM EST reply actions  

This should be front-page’d. Good work.

by Smitty2K3 on Feb 3, 2012 3:09 PM EST reply actions  

This was awesome

the Rames with 10.9 is freaking disgusting though

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Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company

by Udalango on Feb 3, 2012 3:44 PM EST reply actions  

So confused by all of this

but rec’d because its probably intellectually stimulating in some way.

by Manoovi on Feb 3, 2012 3:58 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks for the rec

It is confusing to think about. Especially what I did with the gray bars. I added that to try and provide some context because if both the offense and defense performed “average” there would be many cases where the Eagles would have lost, so one of the units would have to play better than average.

The question I was mainly trying to answer was, “did the Eagles pad their stats on both offense and defense against the lower ranked teams that they faced?” The answer to that question is were they scoring higher than the opponents’ average against the crappy teams and holding the crappy offenses to less than their average. To me I don’t think either unit was doing that, so I think the rankings of the Eagles respective units are probably fairly accurate of their abilities relative to the rest of the league.

I’m not the best at communicating “math stuff” that I’ve done, but I hope that helps.

2011 National Champs in Men's Basketball
FIRE DeLEONE
Eat a bagel (like a mumu)
Superbowl: Hoping for the meteor
1967: Embrace it

by derbyguy on Feb 3, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

to Reddgie, immynimmy, Smitty, and Uda

2011 National Champs in Men's Basketball
FIRE DeLEONE
Eat a bagel (like a mumu)
Superbowl: Hoping for the meteor
1967: Embrace it

by derbyguy on Feb 3, 2012 4:14 PM EST reply actions  

Great stuff here, man!

I don’t see any of the “Fire Juan!” and “This is Juanderful, Juan more year!” people in here yet. Going to get real interesting when the angy mob shows up (if they even do). You did a lot of work, and it shows in your awesome article. Would really love to see more stuff like this.

El Donkerino (if you're not into the whole brevity thing).
I miss me some Brian Dawkins :(

by El Donkerino on Feb 3, 2012 5:05 PM EST reply actions  

Juan Castillo is a foolish asshole.

And even though your use of statistics is juanderful, those who juant Castillo back for another year are delusional. He’s juan of the wrost.

The bad news? Castillo's back.

The good news? With the 7-9 season coming up and all the Eagles games being played at 1:00 (and in the bag for the opponent by 2:30 at the latest), we'll all have plenty of time to rake the leaves and whack off. Stock up on your Astro Glide, ladies!

by EvilBanner on Feb 3, 2012 5:57 PM EST reply actions  

And to emphasize just how shitty Castillo is...

…I don’t even give him the respect of spelling “worst” correctly.

The bad news? Castillo's back.

The good news? With the 7-9 season coming up and all the Eagles games being played at 1:00 (and in the bag for the opponent by 2:30 at the latest), we'll all have plenty of time to rake the leaves and whack off. Stock up on your Astro Glide, ladies!

by EvilBanner on Feb 3, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re trying to associate him with the rastafarians. Admit it.

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by AnthroEagle on Feb 3, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

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