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How Might Drew Brees Affect DeSean Jackson?

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One of the angles we've been watching in the DeSean Jackson saga has been the market for other free agent WRs. It will be significant both in that what other guys get will help set the market for him and if the team decides to let him walk we want to know who might replace him. We've heard that Dwayne Bowe could be franchised and Stevie Johnson is apparently far apart with the Bills...

But one other important guy will be Saints WR Marques Colston. At 28, he's older than Jackson, but still not old and he's been incredibly consistent in his career. He doesn't have Jackson's speed, but he's got the size and strength DeSean lacks. They could certainly see similar money this offseason.

He's significant because he very well may be hitting the open market thanks to the Saints inability to get a deal done with Drew Brees. Reportedly the sides are far apart and the Saints are preparing to use the tag on Brees.

That means that won't have the tag available to keep Colston and he'll hit the open market. At that point he could either help set the market for Jackson, or the Eagles could choose to cut Jackson loose and go after a guy who's 6-4 and has had at least 1,000 yards in all but one of his 6 NFL seasons.

I'm sure no one would be too upset if that happened.

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Even if the Saints

do get a contract done with Brees, I don’t think they’ll use the tag on Colston. I’d think they use the tag on Nicks first.

by Smitty2K3 on Feb 29, 2012 3:54 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

This is true also.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

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by wild_eagle on Feb 29, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I would love to get Colston. I still think you would have to tag and trade Desean though. I wouldn’t be surprised if Desean signed with a team like the Giants if we let him hit the open market.

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by andyb on Feb 29, 2012 3:56 PM EST reply actions  

this would be a nightmare

could you imagine desean playing us with a chip on his shoulder twice a year? i think they have to tag him just to ensure he doesn’t go to a division rival.

by phillyfan330 on Feb 29, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

He’d break our safeties’ ankles. Literally. We would have no more safeties.

by J.P.Melle on Feb 29, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Could you imagine Cromartie's speed vs Jacksons speed?

I do think Cromartie is faster.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Feb 29, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely.

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by d-jackfan10 on Mar 1, 2012 4:40 AM EST up reply actions  

So even if Desean tagged us once or twice a game Cromartie's speed would

help limit the damage.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Mar 1, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

The Giant don’t have the money or the need at WR to sign him.

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by JasonB on Feb 29, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

They can let Manningham walk and replace him with Desean. Victor Cruz was great in the slot during the playoffs. They would probably rotate the receivers around depending on the play. Also I think they would over value Desean just because of the ways desean burned them in the past. Sorta like the Eagles with steve smith. If they don’t have the money than it doesn’t matter but if they really want someone, im sure they can find some way to free up money.

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by andyb on Feb 29, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

It would be awesome, but no way jose

The Giants have plenty of decisions to make about their own guys, there’s no way we bring in a guy like Jackson who wants big bucks.

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by rich316 on Mar 1, 2012 2:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d probably have to quit watching football for the next 10 years

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by Djax10 on Feb 29, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd take either one. but my preference is Colston due to durability.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Feb 29, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Desean likely gets similar $$ to VJax and Colston

if they sign long term deals….of those three Desean is my third coice, and that doesnt even incorporate the draft and mid-level FA WRs.

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by mpd2005 on Feb 29, 2012 4:08 PM EST reply actions  

How are the Saints having trouble with this? If DeSean Jackson deserves money, this man sure as hell does. Lol.

by Dallas Sucks! on Feb 29, 2012 4:10 PM EST reply actions  

because they have to sign their starting QB, #1 receiver, and best OG in the same offseason. gotta prioritize, and breesy is starting to look more expensive than originally thought.

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by mpd2005 on Feb 29, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

IMO, Drew Brees is no. 1 priority. Wtf did you think he was going to cost?

by Dallas Sucks! on Feb 29, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

haha i hear ya, just telling you what it is…saints should have known brees will and should command top $$

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by mpd2005 on Feb 29, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

And they’re already up against the cap

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by JasonB on Feb 29, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Would absolutely love Colston. Bona fide stud. He’s my top FA wideout choice to replace Jackson.

by Route36 on Feb 29, 2012 4:13 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

agreed

Someone told me he came out and said he wants like 7 million a year. That is nothing for a guy of his caliber. The only problem with signing him is he play the slot really well and is okay on the outside, so you’d have to be comfortable moving Avant to the outside (I am). He does his damage across the middle and is a TE’s best friend because D-Cos have to decide which to put the nickel on and who to put a linebacker on.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 29, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Tony Pauline is the source but couldn't find a link with it

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2012/2/27/2828143/marques-colston-2012-nfl-free-agency

Big Cat Country posted this though.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 29, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Nevermind, here's Pauline's quote
The buzz around Indianapolis is receiver Marques Colston is looking for a contract in the range of $7 million per year./blockquote>

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 29, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Id feel better about giving him 7 mil than DeSean.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Feb 29, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

that's a no-brainer for me

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 29, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem is a lot of teams will be competing for his services. That price tag could go up within the next month.

by postman856 on Feb 29, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

right but at least he has a reasonable starting point

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 29, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

He's not just a good slot receiver...

He does do most of his damage in the middle of the field but he’s just as good on the outside. Here are his catches by direction and grades by PFF…


by Route36 on Feb 29, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

TOUCHE, 36

What I like about that chart is only 3 drops lol

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 29, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

that's what I noticed too

I’m warming up to him. I definitely thought he was as much a product of Brees as he was outright good.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 29, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

he is good at boxing out, and can shelter the ball from a corner

he can take a hit too

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 29, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Does PFF have a stat that factors in the fact that Drew Brees throws him the ball?

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by DirtyWaters on Feb 29, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would he play the slot?

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Feb 29, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

he has been very dynamic there, he isn't significantly fast, so it gives his size an advantage to go across the middle

NFL Network agreed with me last night lol.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Mar 1, 2012 3:32 AM EST up reply actions  

From what was stated above he's about the same...

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Mar 1, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

but for us it gives us essentially a two Tight end look with a WR

Colston is a hybrid TE-WR. He played TE at Hofstra.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Mar 1, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

He was listed as TE/WR

the first year he showed up on my fantasy football radar… took me to the championship, best TE that year.

A lot of things make sense now.

by Sparki on Mar 1, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

No, he’s not a TE. He played WR at Hofstra, but scouts thought he was too slow to play WR in the NFL, so they projected him as a TE.

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by AnthroEagle on Mar 1, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

he played both at Hofstra.

but you are correct he was projected as a TE

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Mar 1, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Just draft Fleener.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Mar 1, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

he's late first, early 2nd, not worth it

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Mar 1, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

If he's there at 46 you're saying you wouldn't take him?

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Mar 2, 2012 1:05 AM EST up reply actions  

i'd consider it but i wouldnt trade up for him

I think we should handle LB and DL depth first, maybe WR depending on what happens with Desean.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Mar 2, 2012 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I would be upset

28 means we have 2 more years of him before significant decline and we will be paying a premium for it. A big no thanks.

by BrandonB on Feb 29, 2012 4:41 PM EST reply actions  

That’s for runningbacks. Wide receivers don’t physically decline until about 33. Even then, it’s not usually a sharp drop unless a major injury occurs. See Jerry Rice, Derrick Mason, T.O, Donald Driver, Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne etc.

by Route36 on Feb 29, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed.

plenty last in their thirties, Brandon Lloyd has played well, Reggie Wayne, Santana Moss, Steve Smith…

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 29, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

also, assuming if we kept either jackson or colston long term, colston would be better at 33/34 than a slower jackson would be at 30-31 or whatever the age difference is.

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by XxActionJacksonxX on Feb 29, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

You don’t lose 6’4" until late middle age.

by J.P.Melle on Feb 29, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

this

redzone

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 29, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

That is fine. Sign Colston, sign Hawthorne and Tulloch

then draft Floyd in the 1st. Problem solved.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Feb 29, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Im sold.

As long as Maclin has somebody else.

by EagleEyes on Feb 29, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep, Maclin's a good WR though.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Feb 29, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

As someone who has followed Colston closely the last two years

He is the most consistent WR in this league. He shows up for every game, you won’t see him disappear for games at a time ::ahem:: DeSean ::ahem::

Even when he broke his collarbone last season he was back within a few weeks producing at a high level.

In my opinion, we should snag him and play him all over the field. Trade Desean. Draft TY Hilton for punt/kick returns and top end speed, and pick up Plaxico for the red zone.

Boom SUPER BOWL!!

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by BigDawk on Feb 29, 2012 4:42 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Interesting...

While I still like Malcom Floyd @15, I am intrigued with Stephen Hill in early 2nd. Maybe we grab Kuechly @15, grab Hill in 2nd if we can’t get Coulston. And I like Randy Moss over Plaxico Burress. Why? We already have a one trick pony in Desean Jackson. Moss can still get redzone, intermediate, AND vertical routes. He won’t quit on Vick or Reid like it was reported. Draft Joe Adams from Arkansas for punts/kick returns and draft 4th through 6th for depth at DL, OL, LB, S, and then we are set for a “run” at the Lombardi.

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by Lawdhvmercy on Feb 29, 2012 5:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

malcom floyd???

Perhaps Michael Floyd

by VRFC8 on Feb 29, 2012 5:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

omfg. How many times are you going to get his name wrong? You’re going to draft a WR from the Chargers @15?

Also. Stop repeating the same thing every thread. No one gave a fuck the first time.

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by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST

by packimop on Feb 29, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Holy fucking shit.

Malcolm Floyd? Seriously? You’ve posted this same shit repeatedly.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Feb 29, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe Raymond Floyd. We could sign him to replace Schmitt at FB.

by Clyde Simmons 96 on Feb 29, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Holy shit.

It’s MICHAEL FLOYD. MICHAEL.

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by d-jackfan10 on Mar 1, 2012 4:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Can we do both?
  • Sign Colston
  • Re-sign Jackson
  • Draft Junior Hemmingway

Andy is drooling like its Cheesteak Tuesday over the thought of Colston at $7M. The Eagles want to pay DJax $7M a year. Signing Colston at that level almost forces DJax to consider the same salary. Do the Eagles have the cap space?

Vick and McCoy in the backfield, DJax and Maclin out wide with Colston in the slot and Celek on the field? SICK! (I may be venturing into EMB tater territory…)

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by ChaosOnion on Feb 29, 2012 5:15 PM EST reply actions  

if i'm Marques Colston

and someone told me Jackson got $7mm, i would DEMAND $10mm.

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by mpd2005 on Feb 29, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if the $7M thing is a hometown discount for NO. If Colston gets signed at $7M, that has to drive DJax’s asking price down. All DJax has on his side is youth.

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by ChaosOnion on Feb 29, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

haha that would be closer to my asking price too

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by mpd2005 on Mar 1, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

6 years deal

I’d happily give Colston a 6 years / $45m deal = $7.5m a season and maybe guarantee $21m of it.

by Kernowblazer on Feb 29, 2012 6:09 PM EST reply actions  

My biggest concern with Colston is how much were his numbers shaped by playing in NO with Brees? Could he be that good here?

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by KByars on Feb 29, 2012 6:09 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Valid Point

Brees is a very Brady-esque type of quarterback. Their route trees and offense are based on timing and quick strikes with lots of YAC.

Our offense is based on deep passes, screen dumps, and play action passes EVERY 2nd down and short (I’m on to you Marty).

It would be very interesting to see how Colston’s production levels change in a different scheme.

My gut feeling? You can’t stop a 6’4" monster with great hands from making plays.

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by BigDawk on Feb 29, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Keep in mind how many guys in new Orleans see the ball. If anything playing in that offense has kept his yards and recs down with graham and sproles getting a ton of balls

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by mpd2005 on Feb 29, 2012 7:27 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

my thoughts

Exactly

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by CarolinaGreen on Feb 29, 2012 8:32 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

And Meachem and Moore and Bush (before Sproles) and Henderson.

So yea, there are a lot of players getting thrown to in that offense.

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by NOLACuse on Mar 1, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

if he's half that good he's better than DeSean

He has 48 TDs to DeSean’s 21

He has 6240 yds from 449 recs, having started 64 of 86 games he has been involved in
Thats 75recs, 1040yds and 8TDs a season (6seasons)

DeSean has 4085 yds from 229yds having started 59 of 60 total games
Thats 57recs, 1020yds and 5TDs a season (4seasons)

Apart from yds per catch, Colston has the advantage

by Kernowblazer on Feb 29, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

If he’s half that good, then he’s nowhere near as good as Jackson.

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by KByars on Feb 29, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

ok, but he has more recs and tds a year and not a hint of a hissy fit

by Kernowblazer on Feb 29, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

He also had Brees.

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by KByars on Feb 29, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

The question isn’t about the numbers that he had, but the numbers he will have.

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by KByars on Mar 1, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course, but the argument that Brees is the only reason he had good numbers doesn't stand up if you compare Colston to his teammates.

He has clearly been a rock in that offense. So Drew Brees is throwing him the ball…watch Colston play and you can see has the hands and size to make just about any catch. Obviously he isn’t a speed option, but he uses his body extremely well and knows how to get open, even against good coverage.

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by NOLACuse on Mar 1, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not saying that he’s a bad player, but his numbers may be inflated, because Brees has been throwing to him.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
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by KByars on Mar 1, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

OK. That's perfectly reasonable.

Personally I don’t really worry about the numbers as much as what kind of receiver he is though. If DJax doesn’t work out, I like what Colston brings to the table and would gladly welcome him to Philly. And I also think there is merit to the argument that Colston’s game could be valuable as long or even longer than Desean’s since what he does isn’t based on speed.

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by NOLACuse on Mar 1, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Ummm

I am not sure why people do this but every time numbers are posted like this it shows how GOOD Jackson really is. He is getting almost 20 catches less a season and his numbers are not that far behind Colston’s the same with Stevie’s.

by Two Nickels on Mar 1, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

disagree…jackson is a feast/famine player that canno be relied on in 3rd and long. Colston is a 3rd down machine.

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by mpd2005 on Mar 1, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

If the roles were flipped, and DeSean was catching passes from Drew Brees, I suspect Colston wouldn’t even be in his league.

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by philiafan14364 on Feb 29, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly

I still prefer Bowe over anyone available, but there are lots of solid solutions out there, it’s not any one guy or bust.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 29, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

We pass a lot also.

So the numbers cannot be skewed that much.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

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by wild_eagle on Feb 29, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Brees is a pretty big upgrade over the QB’s that have been throwing to DeSean though.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Feb 29, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but it's not like Vick doesn't have the arm strength or accuracy to make the throws...

And somebody like Colston is what we’d like opposite of Maclin.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Feb 29, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

When it’s Brees vs. an end of the road McNabb, an almost but never was Kolb and a streaky Vick, the winner is clearly catching passes from Brees.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Mar 1, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Vick is no Brees

By a long shot the man is a a 6 foot wonder with the ball

by Two Nickels on Mar 1, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

New Orleans spreads the ball around more than we do though, don’t they?

by J.P.Melle on Feb 29, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't really know.

I don’t think they spread it around to much more than we do.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Feb 29, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

They do actually.

Maybe not a lot more, but it seems like Colston, Sproles, Moore, Meachem, Henderson, Graham, P. Thomas, D. Thomas, Ivory, Ingram all manage to catch at least one pass every game. I know that’s a bit of an exaggeration, but not by much. The Saints really do spread the ball around a lot.

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by NOLACuse on Mar 1, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not saying they don't spread the ball around.

I’m saying while they spread the ball around we do also.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Mar 1, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

We do, but I don't think any team spreads it out as much and as consistently as the Saints.

I actually think Colston would see the ball a good deal more on the Eagles.

Clear eyes, full bologna sandwiches!

by NOLACuse on Mar 1, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

We tend to spread it around over the coarse of the season, Vick gets a lot of people involved.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Mar 1, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

In game we’re really talking 4-5 recievers for us – Desean, Maclin, Avant, Celek, and McCoy. And McCoy hasn’t actually been used as much as we used to pass to RBs. Take a look at the numbers – we have 5 receivers with over 30 catches, 4 with over 50 catches and 0 with over 80 catches. Saints have 7 with over 30 catches, 5 with over 50 catches, and 3 with over 80 catches. They threw the ball a lot more than us too.

by J.P.Melle on Mar 1, 2012 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

And the Saints don’t pass a lot?

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by philiafan14364 on Feb 29, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Um where did I say that?

Try reading what I said again then reassess your response.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Feb 29, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Garcon

I just read this on him

Garcon reportedly rejected a recent contract Colts offer worth about $35 million over five seasons.

Oh. That sorta changes my view.

This is slightly on-topic, no?

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 29, 2012 6:18 PM EST reply actions  

So to summarize this thread, for $7m

You can get Colston but not Garcon.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 29, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

something is wrong here…wtf? Garcon is out of his damn mind. Maybe he just wants out of Indy, which doesn’t make sense considering he’d most likely be the #1 receiver for Luck when he comes out. I just don’t see the logic in playing hardball with a good contract when there are several FA’s better than you and possibly a few rookies the have a higher ceiling. i see this backfiring on him terribly.

by phillyfan330 on Feb 29, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

If he wants to win now, it makes sense to get out of Indy, they’re full on rebuilding and he will be covered heavily as their primary receiver.

by J.P.Melle on Feb 29, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Leaving Indy

https://twitter.com/#!/TribStarTJames/status/173436762771832833

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 29, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Colston wants 7m guaranteed...

Garcon’s contract was probably only 2-4 guaranteed.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Feb 29, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

w_e we've been over this

a contract isn’t fully guaranteed. He wants a BASE salary at 7 million. That’s just what he makes if he is there during the season. He would probably get 3-4 million guaranteed. You have base salary, then part of that is the guaranteed money. So if I want a base salary of 5 million, the Eagles say ok we’ll give you a 3 yr 15 million dollar deal with 7 million garunteed. So my garaunteed money is 7 million in 3 years, the whole contract if I make it through all three years and dont trigger performance stuff, is worth 15 million.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Mar 1, 2012 3:37 AM EST up reply actions  

That's what I meant.

Colston- Base of 7 mil per year + incentives

Garcon- Base of 2-4 per year + incentives.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Mar 1, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Any idea how much was guaranteed?

by captain nodar on Feb 29, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Looked, didn't see it mentioned

in the 3 or 4 things I read

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 29, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

He may very well wind up kicking himself.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Feb 29, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

he didnt want to play for the colts i think

he’s a slot guy and third option on most teams

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 29, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Considering the money that he’s likely to find elsewhere, he must really hate Indy.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Feb 29, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

he’s looking at a contract in the Avant range (2-3 million a year).

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 29, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I said this earlier...

Garcon’s comparable to Desean, go compare the numbers.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Feb 29, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

and Garcon's more consistent.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Feb 29, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

They’re totally different types of receivers.

by J.P.Melle on Feb 29, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Yet Garcon would be a great fit in the Philadelphia offense

But if he rejected 5/35 then I’m letting that ship sail.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 29, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

He probably rejected it because he doesn’t like the direction the franchise is heading. . I don’t blame him.

by TimmyGee on Feb 29, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I guess the timing is suspect too

When you’ve waited this long and you’re about to hit FA, you might as well consider all your options.

But that’s way more than I thought he would command. And there might be some people who find Luck an appealing guy to play with.

That does make sense though. Pierre has almost always played for winners.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 29, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but their stats are comparable.

Garcon: 70 catches, 947 yards, 13.5 average, 6 TD’s.
Jackson: 58 catches, 961 yards, 16.6 average, 4 TD’s.

Not to mention that Garcon’s more consistent and would still compliment Maclin pretty well.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Feb 29, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Garcon is very inconsistent

He blows up a couple of games a year, and single-handedly wins his team games but other times he’s nowhere to be found

by P_Roach17 on Feb 29, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm... Who does that sound like exactly??? *cough* Desean *cough*

Take a Look…

http://www.nfl.com/player/pierregarcon/2346/gamelogs <— 2011

http://www.nfl.com/player/pierregarcon/2346/gamelogs?season=2010 <— 2010

http://www.nfl.com/player/pierregarcon/2346/gamelogs?season=2009 <— 2009

And he’s much more consistent than Desean.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Feb 29, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Ehhh i’m not seeing what you’re seeing. Also, keep in mind Peyton Manning was his QB up until last year, the same guy who made Blair White look like a half decent NFL Wideout.

by P_Roach17 on Feb 29, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Ya I disagree, Avant is actually more similar to Garcon

Garcon is a number 2-3 on most teams, he excelled with Peyton and was the number two option on the Colts after Dallas Clark went down. He did well because Reggie Wayne was doubled. Jason Avant as a starter would get as many targets.

Avant: Rec: 52 Yards: 679 YPC: 13.1 TDs:1
Garcon: 70 catches, 947 yards, 13.5 average, 6 TD’s.

With more targets, they’d have similar numbers.

Avant is 6’0 and 212, Garcon is 6’0 and 210.

Garcon name a 4.42 40 (http://bit.ly/nIJbSi)
Avant is slows at 4.52 (http://bit.ly/zW3rT4)

Avant likely has better hands and goes across the middle.
Garcon is better on the outside.

My point is Garcon isn’t worth the contract he was offered and is nothing more than a number two WR at best. I’d prefer Bowe, Wayne, Colston, and Wallace (even giving up the 1st) over Garcon.

And I actually like the guy.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Mar 1, 2012 3:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, while Peyton made Blair White look good

Garcon had his best year without Peyton.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Mar 1, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

fair enough

still afraid of his consistency. I don’t wanna get rid of Desean for a less talented, yet equally inconsistent target

by P_Roach17 on Mar 1, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Speed doesn't equal talent.

At this point I’d take somebody who has half the talent of Desean but actually tries over Desean how he played last year.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Mar 1, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Never said anything about speed?

I was just comparing them consistency wise. Only time will tell with how much effort Desean will put in this year, hopefully if he gets paid he’ll return to his old form. Either that or we trade him.

by P_Roach17 on Mar 1, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

There is a 12

catch difference; DJAX has never caught more then 62 passes in his 4 years. 12 catches at 16.6 yards a catch would give JAX close to another 200 yards (199.2) and that was a down season for JAX compared to Garcons BEST year umm…. no thanks.

by Two Nickels on Mar 1, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Their stats were comparable last year, when Garcon had a career year and Desean was afraid to step on the field. We have receivers who can run intermediate and across the middle routes. We need a big red zone target. If we lose Desean we’ll need a deep threat. Garcon doesn’t fill either of those needs. So the fact that their stats were similar last year doesn’t actually matter that much.

by J.P.Melle on Mar 1, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec

Lets get it done. Ideal scenario!

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Feb 29, 2012 6:22 PM EST reply actions  

i love jackson

But Colston is awesome. He broke his collar bone and only missed 3 weeks and was back tearing it up. him plax and maclin in the redzone with celek thrown in would be deadly, not to mention vick’s ability to open the field up even more with his feet. one can dream anyway

by phillyfan330 on Feb 29, 2012 6:33 PM EST reply actions  

Yeh those are the two i want as well.

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Feb 29, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Our offense would be so different, we would go from having 1-2 redzone threats to 4 at least. I do love the fact that jackson pulls DB’s 20 yards back at times but if we had 2 people who were 6’4+ they could just muscle the ball off of DB’s which jackson could never do.

by phillyfan330 on Feb 29, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

plus McCoy

who correct me if I am wrong, had the most rushing td in the league last year.

by philly green on Mar 1, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

My ideal scenario

Sign colston for 7 or 8m, franchise desean, trade desean and 1st and maybe 3rd to move to chiefs, draft kuechly, trade some combination of both seconds and asante to get into the late 1st round and draft perry or still, but one can hope

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by Slip88 on Feb 29, 2012 6:34 PM EST reply actions  

also burress

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by Slip88 on Feb 29, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

i like this theory. it’s a little bit of a stretch with all the trading but I can def see us moving up to get kuechly because he’s not going to fall to 15. I was all for signing a vet but after Luke’s combine I’m sold he’s everything we need at LB and more. I like still or perry too(ironically my name is nick perry as well), but I wouldn’t mind us taking Zach Brown if we traded back into the first. 2/3 LB’s for the future which we havn’t had since i can remeber…

by phillyfan330 on Feb 29, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Ummmm....

How are his knees? He has microfracture surgerlies on both knees AND 3 knee surgeries in 24 months. Love the guy; he is a beast. At 28, I just think he’s played his best years with NO and not too many left for us. Now if we can structure a contract backloaded and incentive based on recs, yds, and touchdowns for $7 mil a yr, I am in. He is 6’4", 225…well so is Michael Floyd, Stephen Hill, Alshon Jeffrey, Nick Toon, and Reuben Randle which all come cheaper (new CBA) and NO major surgeries. We tried short term, “Dream Team” way…now we have to look at 2012 Giants (lol) who added no one, but still won the Superbowl. We need to draft Kuechly before Seattle @12 (His combine numbers hurts us) AND use our 2 2nds to land Stephen Hill before the Texans @26 (His combine numbers really hurt us). Moss could change things. But with Kuechly and Hill, we gain two (hopefully) game changers on both sides of the ball. Burfict will look good in Eagle green.

"There are no pacts between lions and men"

by Lawdhvmercy on Feb 29, 2012 6:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Typos....

Hate them. Damn touchscreen phones. Also, I meant Giants used the draft, but didn’t add any big time FA like us and won a Superbowl. FA is nice, but long term success is built through drafting AND coaching. I’ll ride with Andrew for one more year…better get us to NFCCCG or cue Boyz II Men ..“it’s soo hard to say goodbye to yesterday..”

"There are no pacts between lions and men"

by Lawdhvmercy on Feb 29, 2012 6:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Experienced v rookie

Which is of course the issue with going with the WR in the 2012 class plus whoever we take means we cannot draft at another position like ILB

The Giants are happy to sign free agents as and when it helps them.

as for Colston’s injury record, he only missed time in one season 2008 when he only started 6 of 11 games.

Every other season, he’s played the full season.

And this season has been his been one of his most successful

2006 G14 GS12 Rec 70 Yds 1038 TD 8
2007 G16 GS14 Rec 98 Yds 1202 TD 11
2008 G11 GS6 Rec 47 Yds 760 TD 5
2009 G16 GS16 Rec 70 Yds 1074 TD 9
2010 G16 GS14 Rec 84 Yds 1023 TD 7
2011 G14 GS7 Rec 80 Yds 1143 TD 8

Not a bad record for such an injury history.

And Burfict would look dreadful in green

by Kernowblazer on Feb 29, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

That was actually coherent until the burfict part.

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by mpd2005 on Feb 29, 2012 7:32 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Wow, I didn't even notice that the first time

I think my subconscious blocked it out.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 29, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

OMG YOU GOT MICHAEL FLOYD"S NAME CORRECT!!

It’s a miracllleee!!!

Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.

by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST

by packimop on Mar 1, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Say what you will....

The Eagles will draft Burfict. Why? 1st-2nd talent for 4th $$$; other than Westbrook, we suck past 3rd round drafting. Even if he doesn’t make our 53 man roster, we have a practice squad. And funny, NFL.com listed his 40 time @ 4.98; not a dramatic improvement over 5.09 yet I believe he will get in shape and become productive. And lastly let’s face it, the Eagles are a parsimonius organization (to put in kindly) so they love to steal talent for nothing. Mark my words

"There are no pacts between lions and men"

by Lawdhvmercy on Feb 29, 2012 8:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

He's not talent. He's garbage.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Feb 29, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

...No

He’s the LB equivalent of JaMarcus Russell

by smeagle on Mar 1, 2012 8:20 AM EST up reply actions  

first of all burfict is garbage. secondly why do you say we only draft poorly late in the draft? look at our starters. LBs are all late round picks. Kurt coleman is a 7th rounder. Trent cole is a 5th rounder, jason avant is a 4th rounder….not all of these guys are our best players, but theyre not supposed to be.

now lets look at all the early round whiffs. jerome mcdougle, shawn andrews, matt mccoy, freddie mitchell. and after 2012 we may throw BG and nate allen in there too.

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by mpd2005 on Mar 1, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

lol our starting center was a 7th round pick and he was pretty damn good. God you’re so stupid.

Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.

by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST

by packimop on Mar 1, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Losing Desean would be a big loss to this team, more than people realize, but I think he has hit his ceiling on this team, he’s probably gonna work harder and be more professional when he goes to his next team just to throw it in the face of the Eagles and us fans.

I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
Dwight Howard is coming to Philly. Maybe. Probably not. But we can at least hope, that's all we have.

by Eagladelphia on Feb 29, 2012 8:47 PM EST reply actions  

He would be a loss, however if we can replace him with somebody

more consistent and can help our team enough to replace Deseans production.

People talk about how Jackson pushes the safety’s back however that’s the same effect that Vick has especially when he get a few good scrambles in…

Also don’t forget that Maclin’s a speedster himself.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Feb 29, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

my thoughts

do any of you think we could trade our first round pick for mike wallace and then franchise/trade deasean for a 2nd rounder? finally with three 2nd round picks we could easily move back into the first round
it might not happen but i would love it if it did

by eaglestrike on Feb 29, 2012 9:03 PM EST reply actions  

Is Mike Wallace truly available?

I thought he wants back in, and the Steelers want him back.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 29, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

No.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Feb 29, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s a pretty stupid idea

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#PayDeSeanJackson

by Djax10 on Mar 1, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

too much effort

to get a similar guy

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by mpd2005 on Mar 1, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not the biggest fan of Desean, but Marques Colston is a big, slow possession receiver that is a star mainly because of the QB that throws him the ball.

I love Clearwater...the trees are the right height

by DirtyWaters on Feb 29, 2012 9:45 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

i disagree, as much as I appreciate Drew Brees

Colston has been leaps and bounds better than his fellow Saints WR. Not that slow, he runs a 4.55, which is average (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2006/draft/players/27260.html)

Larry Fitzgerald runs a 4.53 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2004/draft/players/46239.html)

We always talk about Redzone and Colston can help us there, let Avant and Maclin catch the ball down the field and spread it and Colston can vulture the TDs.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Mar 1, 2012 3:56 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

their 40 time does not necessarily translate to playing speed

I love Clearwater...the trees are the right height

by DirtyWaters on Mar 1, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree, im just saying I wouldn't say he's slow

id say average

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Mar 1, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Bingo bango.

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by d-jackfan10 on Mar 1, 2012 4:43 AM EST up reply actions  

bongo

Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.

by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST

by packimop on Mar 1, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not really true at all.

He has great hands and decent enough, though not top-line, speed. He makes just about any catch you could want and is not an easy guy to bring down in the open field. The Brees argument holds some water, but Colston still stands out as the best among all the Saints receievers, TES and RBs and they all get plenty throws. The Saints spread the ball around like nobody’s business and if Colston’s numbers are only thanks to Brees, shouldn’t every other receiver look just as good?

Clear eyes, full bologna sandwiches!

by NOLACuse on Mar 1, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

was hoping cooper can develop into someone like colston, but if we can get the real thing, why not

by eagles2zc on Feb 29, 2012 10:44 PM EST reply actions  

Cooper unfortunately has below average ball skills which virtually nullify his natural height advantage

I love Clearwater...the trees are the right height

by DirtyWaters on Feb 29, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

The replacement for D Jackson.....

6’4" runs a 4.30 40 and has not been drafted yet he can be had for the low price of a second round pick (the Eagles have 2) Just letting my inner Al Davis out for a little air…..

I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
36 plus years of rooting for the Eagles I think are comming to fruition this year.
I am not a FAN.... I am a FANATIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by eaglelover1 on Mar 1, 2012 12:46 AM EST reply actions  

stephen hill?

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Mar 1, 2012 3:56 AM EST up reply actions  

i was sold on Hill when he laid out for a pass on a go route at the combine. Size, speed, and hands. i’ll take it.

by Washington Eagle on Mar 1, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

This would be scary...

For Colston to hit FA.. FA would need to have already started… for us to be interested in him, we would need to not tag DeSean and allow him to hit FA. All this means that we’d hit day 1 of FA period without DJax or Colston as a sure thing… and we’d have the possibility of not getting either. Unless we still tag Jackson, go for Colston then we’d have to trade Jackson… and as definite sellers (cause how can we fit both under the cap) of a player with a 1 year contract, his value would go down.

A lot of things make sense now.

by Sparki on Mar 1, 2012 9:29 AM EST reply actions  

WR's ARE ONLY AS GOOD AS THEIR QB....

I don’t care what WR’s we have, long as the QB minimizes ball insecurities. The same goes for the QB is only as good as the WR’s, by limiting the dropsies. Greatness can be obtain with only a minimum of 70% of good ball control between QB and WR’s. Heck, most QB completions are in and around 50%, give or take. The QB ratings depends on the WR’s and WR’s ratings depend on themselves. Really, it doesn’t matter who the WRs are, it does matters how well the offense coaches, work around their players to get the most potentials, out of each players talents. Execution of the Play, is their main source to the schematics, generating to each players positions.
Oh….btw, should Burfict done the green, he’s not going to be in defense, but on offense. Yeah, he’ll be pointing right at the linebacker, “I’m watching ya, oh yeah baby!” He’ll be doing the Burfict smoke, keeping them linebackers at bay. LOL LOL

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