The Linc - Nate Allen Ready To Break Out
by JasonB on Feb 27, 2012 6:00 AM EST
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Nate Allen’s performances late in the season can give Eagles fans hope going into 2012. Following that New England debacle, he graded positively in each of the last five games, amassing a grade of +7.2 in that span. Overall, he finished at +3.8, good enough for 15th in the league last year. He looks ready to break out if he can remain fully healthy in 2012.
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I am glad to know we have a safety that is poised to break out this year. I think truely Allen has the talent. He proved that in his rookie season and I hope and think he is back to full health and can do this. Here is to hoping that we can get our secondary back to form.
Jason I dont know if I have seen anything from you, any ideas on WR to replace Desean if in fact is gone this year (one way or another that is)?
Shhhhh
Nate allen is a bust….B Graham is a bust!!!!!!!!!!! AR is a walrus who eats ham sandwhiches!!! A blind def mute could do a better job drafting and coaching…..
Now that I got that out of the way, Djax picked a terrible year to act like a tool and expect a big payday. Deep FA class, and it is looking like an even deeper draft class.
oh yea
I think this draft class has alot of guys that can step in at WR without a doubt. Graham we will find out this off season what is up with him but I do think Allen will be better and as immy said below it will have alot to do with Bowles who I think may be a behind the scene DC. Just Juan will take the punches. haha AR doesnt want to make it look like he was wrong.
This I will never buy into
AR doesnt want to make it look like he was wrong.
Im sorry but if AR was so worried about looking wrong he would have never:
-Fired Sean McD.
-Cut Trotter, then brought him back
-Let babin go then brought him back
- Shipped out TO after two seasons
Just to name a few. I was one of the people last offseason to say Juan has two years to see what he can do. I still stand by that. AR hasnt even been proven wrong yet as Juan didnt cost us anymore games than the offense lost for us.
4 mistakes in 13 seasons??
man we have a hell of a coach!!
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The think that we forget about Allen is that he had a good rookie year (with Sean McDermott and a turnstile at CB #2) and the he was coming back from injury this year with 3 below average linebackers and Juan Castillo. I think he’ll bounce back too, but literally and only because of Bowles.
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well what the article says was that he bounced back in the later part of last year and was playing really well. Not that Bowles won’t help, but basically when healthy Nate has played well.
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by JasonB on Feb 27, 2012 11:32 AM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Am I the only one that noticed our defense was pretty damn good at the end of the season & they finished 8th overall? For all the hate Juan gets you would think we finished last in every single category
The Legend
Oh I think our
D was “good” but it could have been much better if things were simplified instead of trying to do what Juan did with no offseason.
It STILL doesnt excuse his bad playcalling. And it STILL doesnt make up for his lack of experience.
Let him beat three or four top teams outside our division and ill start giving him some credit.
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Feb 27, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Give me an example of these bad play calls
Also NA in zone doesnt count. That is not a play call. Also I would argue poor tackling was the number one problem with the d, over scheme.
Putting Asante Samuel (a gambler) on Larry Fitz man-to-man with Jarrett helping over the top was a HORRIBLE PLAY CALL at that time in the game. Absolutely inexcusably retarded.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
so asante didnt play his responsibility in the called play
How is that Juans fault from a scheme stand point?
by VRFC8 on Feb 27, 2012 11:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Two words:
Casey. Matthews.
Castillo’s call, Castillo’s failure.
by UnclaimedFright on Feb 27, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
and scheme was a HUGE problem with this team. I.e. scheming NA as a safety. Wtf???
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
how many times was na at saftey?
He liked to float asante back there more when drc was in.
by VRFC8 on Feb 27, 2012 12:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You mean,
When DRC was a playing a position he didn’t want to play, said he didn’t want to play at the start of the year, and clearly wasn’t very good at?
And yet, they kept him playing in the slot!
by UnclaimedFright on Feb 27, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, how quickly we forget…..
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Feb 27, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
did you see the Eagles schedule this year? Not exactly going up against all-world offenses.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
Oh.my.god. Go and look at who we were playing. Scrubs.
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by d-jackfan10 on Feb 27, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yes,
And it’s a real testament that they came together in the nightmarish four game stretch we had at the end of the season, that awfully intimidating murderer’s row of hall-of-fame offenses.
by UnclaimedFright on Feb 27, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
@AdamSchefter just told @RossTuckerNFL on SiriusXM that his report re: DeSean on trading block didn’t come from #Eagles.
So either it was Desean or another team was asking for him
by VRFC8 on Feb 27, 2012 12:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Zach Brown added 5 pounds of muscle...up to 244!
Draft him now. At 250, he’ll still have the speed to run with any tight end and also should be able to set the edge with more strength and his long arms.
I think this kid is going to be “the one that got away” if we don’t draft him.
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So conflicted about Zach Brown
He’s a really enticing prospect and could be a great SAM. But especially after this year do we really want a guy who’s #1 concern is that he doesn’t tackle well?
by Turd.Ferguson on Feb 27, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
I hear you....
…but he is always around the ball. And oftentimes, he makes gamechanging plays. His senior year, he had like 5 sacks, 3 interceptions, four fumbles forced, a bunch of batted balls, etc etc etc. I love his athleticism and the fact that he has raw talent and ability. Basically, the comparison could be made that Kuelchy vs. Brown is the same as Graham vs. JPP. Keulchy/Graham had the consistent production while Brown/JPP had amazing athleticism with some question marks.
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he doesn't really weigh enough to play SAM
he’s built like Moise Fokou, so if you want to continue to be small at positions, that’s fine. He’s a fantastic player but I think he’s more of a guy you trade waaaay down for. Or you trade your third and second to get up to the early second and draft him. I think Bobby Wagner is better value and is a SAM LB.
Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"
If we could trade down about 10 spots
I’d be okay with Brown at 25ish in the 1st.
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Problem is.
Better value is how we’ve been drafting…at least in Round 1. lol Better PLAYER is how I want this team to draft. Wagner might end up pretty good…but he also might end up just average. I can nearly assure you that Brown will be average-at-worst…with the potential to be great. Frankly, I’d prefer the higher ceiling than the (not so) sure-fire pick. In other words, when I play the lottery…I play the Powerball or Mega Millions. I don’t waste my time with the Pick Three. Winning $500 would be nice…winning a million would change my life.
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he disappears from games and isn't all that great of a tackler
I appreciate that his 40 time was redic, but tackling should be priority.
Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"
I'm not discounting his weaknesses...
…moreso saying that they could easily be attributed to his relative lack of experience. Which would you prefer:
A. A freakishly good athlete that may or may not be able to get better fundamentally. However, if he he does, he becomes a dominant player.
B. A pretty good athlete who will be a consistent, reliable starter for years, though probably not a star.
To me, that is the choice between Brown and Wagner…and, like I said, it was the choice between Graham and JPP.
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that is fair
I’d choose Kuechly over both but if I had to pick between Wagner and Brown, I’d give Brown the slight edge…but I wouldn’t want him as my first pick. If you trade back into the first great…but if you trade down you better get an extra 2nd or early 3rd and a veteran
Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"
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by thePurpleLion on Feb 27, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I really think the jury is still out on Allen.
Not just because of his injury, but because when he was a rookie and had his great season, he had a pretty inept RCB rotation which afforded him many opportunities to make plays. With NA at RCB and DRC at LCB, I will be interested to see what happens with him.
"Obviously, I lobbied for him to be here. But what a difference a year makes." -- Donovan McNabb
has anyone noticed how much Michael Lombardi talks about Lesean McCoy?
Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"
Zach Brown damn near stopped in his 40 and still ran 4.45
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He could be a great SAM.
So he stumbled and still ran a 4.45 on his first attempt?
by Almightypudster on Feb 27, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
At about the 20 yard mark he slowed up like he wanted to start over but he kept running and finished it out (shaking his head in disappointment the whole way) and ran a 4.45. He just ran again and got a unofficial 4.44…. Burfict on the other hand 4.93 1st time (LOLOLOLOL) and 5.10… DO NOT WANT (in the first 3 rounds).
Probably his coached fault.
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by El Donkerino on Feb 27, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
I predicted a sub 4.4 in another thread...
…i’m not surprised at all.
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yeah
With that time there’s no way were getting him with our pick.. damn it
by green_pete_trucking on Feb 27, 2012 2:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's awesome for him.
Not great for us if we fall in love with Kuechly during the interview process a 4.50 40 means we will have to trade up to get him. Sitting at #15 he most likely won’t make it to us.
by Almightypudster on Feb 27, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Well the eagles tarded up for graham
could do the same for Keek the freak
I don't know if that was a typo
But depending on how you feel about Graham, that was pretty funny.
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by El Donkerino on Feb 27, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
It was a typo
but caught it and decided to let it be. But I think Graham will be a good player
Luke Kuechly has killed the Combine so far
He might not even be there at 15 when its all said and done, 27 reps on Bench 38inch Vert (freaking amazing) 4.50 unofficial 40 time??? Scary, just scary. I wanted to see how he did in all those drills and he KILLED all of them, Pray he is on the board at 15.
He is going to be top 10
We will need to give up a 2nd to get him, or maybe Assante
Yep, I can’t see him making it out of the top 10 with those measurables.
by captain nodar on Feb 27, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Top 15 I would say
alot of players have helped their stock in this Combine so others have moved up draft boards as well, lets hope ILB isnt high on their boards.. But don’t forget Dont’a hightower ran 4.62 at 265. Thats probably more impressive than Kuechly so I would take either one. But the top 10 picks in the draft might have bigger needs than MLB. Kuechly or Hightower are the LB’s we need if they are gone Zach Brown is the only other likely LB in round 1.
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The Dolphins need LB help
also you got to figure the Bills
But is it their top need?
They could go in a number of ways, but Kuchly or Hightower will be their at 15, thats should be the pick.
Speaking of 40 times
“Freak athlete” Burfict ran a 4.93
Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
What this shows, critically
Is the Burfict is only a two down linebacker. Which complicates things.
But 5.1 is seriously fucking slow. There were DTs than ran faster. DTs!
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DT Fletcher Cox ran a 4.79 and he measured in at 6-4 298.
He could be our 1st rd pick it’s a possiblity.
Free agency will tell the tale. If we get a veteran MIKE in FA then DT could be our 1st rd pick. LB Keenan Robinson from Texas could be a great draft pick in the 3rd rd to compete for our SAM spot.
He measured in the exact same size as Kuechly 6-3 242 he did 27 reps on the bench same as Kuechly and he ran 4.69 40yd dash.
by Almightypudster on Feb 27, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
I do not see us taking a DT in the draft.
With Jenkins signing, the expectation of Landri, Dixon, and Patterson’s return, not a huge need. Certainly not a first round need.
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by thePurpleLion on Feb 27, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
WR speed baby!
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by El Donkerino on Feb 27, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
But he's big and scary and hits hard
We need a Ray Lewis for our D we have no attitude gang green waaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Gotta catch 'em to hit 'em...
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Ouch...into the third he goes...
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So the browns resigned LB Jackson to a 5 year deal… Are we upset?
by TimmyGee on Feb 27, 2012 2:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Desean Jackson traded for a 2nd
…..would be a great headline right now. Give us more ammo to get the KEEK
A better headline would be
Jackson signs a reasonable, team friendly contract.
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I miss me some Brian Dawkins :(
by El Donkerino on Feb 27, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
I would really like to see that!!!
If not though, I would like to see: “DeSean + Pick Traded for Second Pick in Draft”
"Obviously, I lobbied for him to be here. But what a difference a year makes." -- Donovan McNabb
by thePurpleLion on Feb 27, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
That’s actually a good thing for us can’t wait to hear what his official 40 time is. A high 4.7 means he could slip to us at #15.
by Almightypudster on Feb 27, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
scouts normally judge a large dip in 40 times
as a conditioning problem, which could make him drop…which is a good thing for us.
Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"
Sure is
but they let him run again because how would teams grade that, you run a 4.5 first time then a 4.78, that doesn’t add up so they gave him a third chance so they could have a guage of where he is: a high of 4.5 and a low of 4.78 but he is probably closer to the 4.59 he ran third. A “bad start” could of been the reason he ran a 4.78 and a “good start” could be the reason he ran a 4.5.
Coleman is the issue
You at least roll the dice with Allen next year as the starter and hope that with better coaching/fully healed he is a solid-enough starter. He’s never a guy who make a Pro Bowl but can be a capable NFL starter.
The issue is at SS. Coleman was terrible this year. Really isn’t a single thing he does well. Too small and undersized to play the position. I am always amazed at for a guy who has a rep for being a ferocious hitter that his approach & tackling fundamentals are so poor. He has a place on this team as a backup S/special teams guy. Not a starter.
Jarrett looks like a stretch pick that might be a complete bust. Hard to tell if he just isn’t capable of playing the NFL level because he just looked confused last year & out of sync when he played. Maybe a full year in camp & better coaching helps. Too soon to write him off completely but counting on him to log significant minutes next year is a mistake.
Regardless, Eagles need to upgrade at SS next year and an area I hope they do via FA.
Who, though?
What guy do you think will be available to play SS for us in free agency?
Also, I think you’re being way too harsh on Coleman.
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by DSmith215 on Feb 27, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Harsh on Coleman is an understatment! He started off the season with some poor tackling, but made as serious comeback and proved he is a contender. Whether he will start is yet to be seen. He certainly performed better than Page!
Jarret had so few games logged, how can anyone even put the word bust in the same sentence?!?!?
They also had a secondary coach who was in his first year…. not to mention Juan… not to mention had no offseason. Too many variables in this experiment. Another new Secondary Coach, an experienced one, lets see how he does this year. I think you will find Coleman starting the majority of the games for us this year.
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by thePurpleLion on Feb 27, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Could you see us drafting a Safety in the 2nd rd for a 3rd consecutive year?
We could go after SS Tyvon Branch in FA match him back up with his old teammate Nnamdi.
They are a few safeties with good size after the obvious lone rd 1 pick top safety Mark Barron in the 2012 draft. Safety Harrison Smith from Notre Dame 6-2 215 and safety George Iloka from Boise State is a beast he measured in at 6-4 225 and had 34 1/2 inch arms.
Both Smith and Iloka are going to be 2nd rd picks most likely depending on how they run tomorrow.
I agree Nate Allen is our starting FS but SS is up for grabs. Maybe Jarrett will step under Coach Bowles tutlage.
by Almightypudster on Feb 27, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yes ... 2nd or 3rd round.
"Obviously, I lobbied for him to be here. But what a difference a year makes." -- Donovan McNabb
by thePurpleLion on Feb 27, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Allen...
…could easily end up a pro bowl player. He has the physical tools and mental ability. Just has to put it all together and stay healthy. Especially in a system like this with good cover corners and a great pass rush.
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People...Unofficial Times...
…can go either way. They can be lower or higher than reported. We keep saying ‘and that’s an unofficial time’ like we know it has to be faster, when it could in fact be slower.
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