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PFF On Michael Vick Under Pressure

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Pro Football Focus released their latest study of QBs under pressure in 2011. The driving force behind it coming out now is that that Eli Manning was their highest overall rated QB under pressure, but obviously I wanted focus on Michael Vick's performance. They used three separate categories for their evaluation.

First pressure into sacks. Given all the all plays on which a QB is pressure, how many result in his being sacked. It should come as no surprise that this a category Vick is excellent in. He and Manning are virtually tied atop the league being sacked 11.6 and 11.5% of plays pressured respectively. Obviously they avoid those sacks in different ways... With VIck it's his superior athleticism and escapability. For Manning, while he does have very good pocket presence and steps up to avoid pressure well, it really is that ability to ride the edge between throwing the ball away and intentional grounding better than any other QB in the league that sets him apart. How many hundred times have we seen Manning avoid a loss by flipping the ball away while being sacked?

By the way, Kevin Kolb was the second worst in that category, which certainly confirms the major fear I always had about him, which was pocket presence. He never seemed to feel pressure well.

Then there's the TD to INT ratio when being pressured. Vick wasn't as good here. He threw 7 TDs and 7 picks while under pressure this year, which ties him for 13th out of 34 QBs. Not bad, but not really good either. Ironically, he's tied with Eli Manning once again, who also threw 7 TDs and 7 Ints under pressure last year.

The final category is where Vick really struggled, which is completion percentage under pressure. There is an important thing to note about this category, which is that the more throws you make under pressure, the less you'll complete. So if you take a lot of sacks rather than try to make plays, you'll be rewarded here. Not that taking a sack rather than throwing is necessarily a bad decision, but it does explain why guys like Jay Cutler and Tony Romo score well in the category, but both took a ton of sacks. Michael Vick really didn't. However, when under pressure, he completed just 42.4% of his passes which ranked him 23rd out of 34 QBs.

They took all of these categories together and came up with a grade which ranked Vick 14th out of 34.

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When you consider the fact that Vick had a ridiculously unlucky number of batted balls and dropped passes land right into the hands of defenders, along with the fact that his worst game by a mile that killed his stats the most was the one where he had broken ribs… and yet he’s still ranked one of the better QB’s in the league by most metrics… I think he’s the least of our concerns going forward. Too bad his ribs are made of glass though… I wonder if they can have him wear a flak jacket from now on?

by MikeCampy on Feb 2, 2012 5:08 PM EST reply actions  

I don't know how many batted balls Vick has in relation to Eli but....

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Quarterback ‘A’ in the pocket O x Quarterback ‘B’ in the pocket: O x
at the time of release: xO O at the time of release: xO O
xO Ox xO B Ox
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by Rickart on Feb 3, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Pop Quiz:

Question 1) Which Quarterback’s passes are more likely to be batted down by the Defense and Why?

Question 2) Which configuration is Vick more likely to put himself?

by Rickart on Feb 3, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

gmen fan here

I think mike vick is a great qb but the only way the eagles will be a GREAT team is if they get a qb that can stay healthy. I say your defense will be amazing next year but its mike vick that’ll prevent a super bowl run. He showed how great he can be.. now when you take a bad defense and force the offense to throw more and run less.. things turn baaad. Anyway I look forward to playing you guys again and aaagain.

by wrxsti28 on Feb 2, 2012 5:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Well that’s one view.

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by JasonB on Feb 2, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Eli is unbelievable at two things: not getting intentional grounding calls, and throwing the ball up while falling back only to have the pass completed.

Its amazing, really.

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by bdawk4ever on Feb 2, 2012 5:47 PM EST reply actions  

There was a day in the NFL that Manning would never get away with that. The standard of intentional grounding has changed to protect QBs.

But good for him to take advantage of that.

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by JasonB on Feb 2, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Giants receivers are very good at catching jump balls in traffic. I don’t think that Eli would get away with throwing balls up for grabs as much if it were the Eagles receivers. We could use a receiver or two with this ability. Giants always seem to have them.

Go Eagles!

by MRPH on Feb 3, 2012 6:59 AM EST up reply actions  

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AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Feb 2, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

rec'd

It's never easy being an Eagle fan........but I'll be damned if I ever stop.

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by JJeaglerooter on Feb 2, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

We at BBV are clamouring to get that nit-wit outta here...It's just awful..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 3, 2012 2:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I feel like the Eagles WR should take some of the blame. They were supposed to be a lot better than they were.

by VBG on Feb 2, 2012 10:59 PM EST reply actions  

I don't think 14th for Vick is all that bad...But I would also add...

That I don’t pay much attention to this PFF jazz…I think they pull stats out of their butts..You can watch a game and see a guy playing really well..and then He winds up with a minus rating..Screw that crap..Do they take away stat scores because players don’t call their parents to say hi before the games???..Bunch of rubbish if you ask me..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Feb 3, 2012 2:46 AM EST reply actions  

The pro football focus analysis doesn't measure....

the KIND of pressure. Vick was experiencing major A-gap pressure from DTs blowing by Kelce. It comes too quickly, collapses a pocket, and causes more injuries. A qb can see it coming but the damage is already done in some way or other. Vick’s stat line look very good considering. Of course 7-7 on this only adds up to a total season gain of less than 7 points over never passing under pressure. you therefore have to also look at 3rd and 4th downs.

dumb question: why don’t we run the shotgun more?

by 1993Heel on Feb 3, 2012 9:11 PM EST reply actions  

why don't we run shotgun more?

My guess it is too much temptation for Vick to tuck and run

by Forever eagle green on Feb 4, 2012 6:06 AM EST up reply actions  

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