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PFF: Stephen Tulloch Is The Top Free Agent Inside LB

DETROIT, MI - DECEMBER 11:  Stephen Tulloch #55 of the Detroit Lions celebrates a first quarter touchdown with teammates DeAndre Levy #54 and Corey Williams #99 while playing the Minnesota Vikings at Ford Field on December 11, 2011 in Detroit, Michigan.  (Photo by Gregory Shamus/Getty Images)

We've spent a good amount of time over the last two weeks lamenting the state of the Eagles LBs and previewing who might be available to help in free agency or the draft. We've had members of the community making the case for London Fletcher and David Hawthorne...

So why not keep up the call for the LBs today? Pro Football Focus ranked the top available inside linebackers set to hit free agency. At #1, they've got the wide-9 experienced Stephen Tulloch.

We were stunned at how small the market was for one of the league’s best inside linebackers in the 2011 offseason. The Lions were able to snag him for a mere $3.25 million, but there’s slim chance they’ll be so lucky again. Tulloch is just a great all-around player, as adept in coverage as he is against the run. While he doesn’t grade out quite as well as some of the top players, it is worth bearing in mind he plays in the very publicized Wide-9 scheme that puts extra pressure on the linebackers.

I actually was surprised to hear that he had graded out so well against the pass, as he'd always struck me as deficient in that area... But clearly, this is a guy who would be a tremendous upgrade to the Eagles current corps.

Yesterday, Saukrates made the case for David Hawthorne from the Seahawks, which he'll be happy to hear is a move that PFF would endorse. They've got Hawthorne as their #2 ranked ILB.

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For whatever it’s worth Adam Caplan is pretty high on Hawthorne & I think he said that Tulloch most likely goes back to the Lions. So maybe sign Hawthorne to be the MIKE then draft Zach Brown to be the SAM?

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by KJ Brophy on Feb 19, 2012 12:12 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Actually he probably could if he shows he carries some strength along with him.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Feb 19, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree, he's a prototypical WILL

way too small. This is the problem guys, we’re a team with 6 WILLs and we just put them into the MLB and SAM roles. That is what our issues stem from. Brown isn’t be enough to get off blocks or cover tight ends.

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by NJEagle on Feb 19, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

if we're going SAM in the 2nd I want Bobby Wagner from Utah State.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 19, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I approve of you posting that 3 times because you’re correct. Wagner is the top SAM linebacker in the draft. All the other OLBs are WILLs.

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by KeepSwinging on Feb 19, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

thank you sir

But yeah, I think people dwell on speed some much and Brown is awesome don’t get me wrong but I’d rather have a guy who can set the edge and tackle big tight ends.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 19, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

if we're going SAM in the 2nd I want Bobby Wagner from Utah State.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 19, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

if we're going SAM in the 2nd I want Bobby Wagner from Utah State.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 19, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

my bad the thing froze...holy triple post batman

Wagner is an inch short than Brown but weighs 5 pounds more. He’s got strength too.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 19, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

for the record, in the wide 9, generally your SAM and your WILL have very similiar builds and talent pools.

We don’t know if this is what Castillo will do with it, but if he stays traditonal, it’ll have to be a WILL with good run support ability. Those SAMs have to run with TEs.

I would like to thank my hands for being so great, for allowing me to type this post.

by corn on the kolb on Feb 19, 2012 1:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

right, what I am saying is while Brown has speed

he’s not a run stopper, Wagner is. I am aware of the similar builds part thats why I compared them.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 19, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh I was referring to the 6 WILLs on the roster part.

It may be entirely possible that an off season with Rubin and one of these WILLs will be starting SAM. Chaney with an offseason may be able to. Matthews with some bulk may as well.

I would like to thank my hands for being so great, for allowing me to type this post.

by corn on the kolb on Feb 19, 2012 2:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think they are both 2 down guys but I could deal there

I just don’t know how you sell a fanbase on just an improvement at MLB. Although I think a good MLB (Urlacher, Henderson 5 years ago, Jon Beason) can make up for a lot of the deficiencies on the outside. I want Hawthrone and either draft Keuchly or wait to draft Wagner in the second.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 19, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

That's exactly what I'm saying

our SAM needs to be able to cover and set the edge.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Feb 19, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a little idealistic

How many players in the league are really good in both those areas? Everybody wants complete players, but there just aren’t that many of them.

Its all about the []_[]
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by philiafan14364 on Feb 19, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

pretty much

generally your SAM and your WILL have very similiar builds and talent pools.

basically what Tommy said here

There isn’t a need for a huge SAM unless he’s going to play up on the LOS. We don’t do that. When a SAM plays off, he needs to be able to react to the TE. That requires quickness and agility.

Its all about the []_[]
#FirePaulHolmgren

by philiafan14364 on Feb 19, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think it's so much of a size thing as it is a strength thing... We need a SAM who can set the edge.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Feb 19, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

right that's why I want a guy like Bobby Wagner

or a dude like Jarrett Johnson.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 19, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

If we dront grab one of these guys, I will not forgive this damn FO. I already think they should all be gone, so im probably venting for nothing. But they ABSOLUTELY NEED to grab one of these guys…..theres no other way around it….

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Feb 19, 2012 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

I think Hawthrone has to be the guy

The connection to Holmgren, his versatility and probably low asking price make him in a word: ideal.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 19, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

“The connection to Holmgren”

Huh?

by postman856 on Feb 19, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

their last names both start with H ............

he must be great ?

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we need players that play their best , at every position.

by JJeaglerooter on Feb 19, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Havnt u heard

We trading up to number 5 and drafting vontaze bufict

by con-vick on Feb 19, 2012 1:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

THANK GOD

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by KeepSwinging on Feb 19, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Brown is a prototypical WILL

way too small for SAM. He’s a little bigger than Keenan Clayton and no where near his strength.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 19, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s a speedster with coverage ability = WILL. Too small and weak to play SAM, he’s not a run stuffer.

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Go Dawgs!

#TeamKuechly

by KeepSwinging on Feb 19, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

that's my point

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 19, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Good pick up

Tulloch is perfect for that wide 9 scheme and it would be good to pick him up bcuz he understands the system and has a good presence to stop the run. most of the eagles lb are actually good football players but confusion will makes any player bad. Maybe tullochs experience with the wide 9 could help the other lb they already have intact. Experience goes a long way. That tulloch can really help matthews…….

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by Bleu on Feb 19, 2012 3:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

McCulloch! McCulloch!! McCulloch!!!!!!

McCulloch! McCulloch!! McCulloch!!!!!! rather Tulloch! Tulloch!! Tulloch!!!!!!

Eagles go 8-8 or 9-7 in 2012/2013 season. 2/17/12

No way Eagles draft a LB in the first round 2012.

We will see if Spags was in the right place at the right time in the Gmens SB run. Or was that the fluke year and he really is just mediocre.

by MightyJoeBanner on Feb 19, 2012 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

link fail try no.2

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Eagles go 8-8 or 9-7 in 2012/2013 season. 2/17/12

No way Eagles draft a LB in the first round 2012.

We will see if Spags was in the right place at the right time in the Gmens SB run. Or was that the fluke year and he really is just mediocre.

by MightyJoeBanner on Feb 19, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

last try

Eagles go 8-8 or 9-7 in 2012/2013 season. 2/17/12

No way Eagles draft a LB in the first round 2012.

We will see if Spags was in the right place at the right time in the Gmens SB run. Or was that the fluke year and he really is just mediocre.

by MightyJoeBanner on Feb 19, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

doesn't tulloch want big money tho??

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by theaction on Feb 19, 2012 1:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

yes...

but I think he probably likes Washburn and will take 6 a year.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 19, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Man, the options. I’m down with either of these 2 plans, in this preferrable order:

Sign Hawthorne, play him SAM if LK is available at 15, or MIKE and draft a SAM later.

Sign Fletcher to front loaded 2-3 year deal if you’re sure LK will be there at 15.

… Hawthornes versitility makes him more valuable than either Tulloch or Lofton to me. Both the other 2 will demand more money, Hawthorne has the ability to grade just as well, but also play SAM. Good insurance against LK not being there at 15.

I do think though there’s a reasonable chance only MLB gets changed, and never year its Rolle-________-Chaney starting.

I would like to thank my hands for being so great, for allowing me to type this post.

by corn on the kolb on Feb 19, 2012 1:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

i can't see Chaney playing SAM again

he disappeared in coverage. But I am down and a big pusher of your first option

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 19, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Coverage was always his biggest knock. But remember he keeps swapping positions/systems. He’s never played the same thing in 2 separate years. More off season conditioning and he should continue to approve.

Still need competition though.

But I’ve been wrong before. I rode the Demps bandwagon far too long.

I would like to thank my hands for being so great, for allowing me to type this post.

by corn on the kolb on Feb 19, 2012 2:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I was also guilty of being a huge fan of demps

he’s actually playing quite well in a backup role for Houston (I have to stop liking him…)

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 19, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Chaney should absolutely not be given a starting position after how poorly he played this season. He should be given a chance to compete, but I’d hate to see him start. Chaney finished the season rated -10 by PFF (10th worst ILB, remember that 3-4 teams have 2 so there’s plenty of guys ahead of him), with run defense being his worst attribute. The SAM is your run stuffer.

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by KeepSwinging on Feb 19, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he'll be trader during OTAs for a 6th

we drafted him in the 7th, so we improved value kind of. He reminds me of Joe Mays, in that he doesn’t fit what we do, but could be a good 2 down player on another team.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 19, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, Rolle isn't the answer, neither is Chaney... We need 3 new LB's or hope that of

Rolle, Chaney, Matthews and Fokou we can actually find somebody worth a damn.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Feb 19, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Why isn’t Rolle the answer? And not to pick on you, but why is everyone making so many assertions? I don’t think anyone who writes here is qualified to say anything about a player/decision without qualifying it with “I think/In my opinion”.

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by AnthroEagle on Feb 19, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not just Rolle...

I simply don’t think any of our LB’s are the answer, I don’t thing any one of them is qualified to start next season…

There’s no doubt that every single LB on our team last season either underachieved or simply sucked, that’s not an opinion, that’s a fact. That is why I do not think Rolle is the answer nor anybody else at this point in time.

Until I’m proven wrong by one of them they’re all replaceable.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Feb 19, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with W_E

but I am also realistic and don’t see a way we have 3 new starters. Rolle played the best (not saying much) out of the WILLs so I think he stays. I think you have to look at Hawthrone. I would love to sign Jolon Dunbar to play SAM (http://bit.ly/zqZih6) for a 3 year deal on the cheap and Hawthrone to a 4 year deal. Then if Kuechley is there you draft him and Hawthrone can play weak. If not you take the best DT available or Michael Floyd.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 19, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Rolle played incredibly well, and, like Allen, was probably guilty of trying to do too much. The truth is, if Rolle is seated next to a tackling machine, he’ll be a standout WILL. Allen, too, will be able to go back to being himself. Its crazy, but true that poor play at one position cascaded so badly, but it did.

Rolle is fine at WILL. Even if he isn’t, Matthews and Clayton are still on the roster and both with a full off season. We’re okay there.

We’re empty in the middle and we could use help on the strong side. We need dline help and maybe some nickle competition from the draft and a vetern safety. Oline needs depth and WR could use some love. A vetern QB and a #2 just-in-case RB are all priorities before WILL.

I would like to thank my hands for being so great, for allowing me to type this post.

by corn on the kolb on Feb 19, 2012 4:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Oh I'm realistic, and I don't see us having 3 new starters..

But we definitely need a MIKE, then probably a SAM and let the scraps battle it out for WILL.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Feb 21, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I still disagree with your “that’s a fact” assertion. I thought Rolle overachieved, in fact, considering I didn’t think he’d make it past training camp.

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by AnthroEagle on Feb 19, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you may have different ideas about overachieving.
I think W_E is looking at overachieving as performing better than the other people that play that position, like Jason Peters.
And, you’re looking at overachieving as performing better than expected or above the player’s natural ability level, like Kurt Coleman.

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by KByars on Feb 19, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I think this is whats causing the rift.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Feb 21, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Rolle while "overachieving" probably isn't considered a solid WILL LB compared to other OLB's.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Feb 21, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

agreed…our LBers are nothing more then ST/back up guys

by Easedel on Feb 19, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather Curtis Lofton

He’s better against the run than Tulloch and that’s a bigger need for MLB at the moment than pass-D

by deg0ey on Feb 19, 2012 2:05 PM EST reply actions  

I agree that whomever we bring in needs to excel at defending the run, we can always pull that guy off the field in obvious passing downs for one of smaller LBs who are better at defending the pass, ala Clayton or Matthews.

by The Reddgie on Feb 19, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

my only issue with Lofton and Tulloch is coverage

and lack of versatility…they are only MLBs

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 19, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

the problem is we’re lacking a pure MIKE which is monumental to this defense. Both of those players would be more than adequate. We have wonderful cover linebackers that we can plug in on third and long, but our problem is getting to third and long in the first place.

I’m still okay with either Lofton or Tulloch. They’re both long-term fixes. My issue is that LK has larger upside and is cheaper, and a vet (like Fletcher) or a versitile MLB (like Hawthorne) make more sense to put a long term piece in a suddenly aging defense.

I would like to thank my hands for being so great, for allowing me to type this post.

by corn on the kolb on Feb 19, 2012 5:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

agreed.

I just think Hawthrone gives us some many options. If sign Tulloch or Lofton thats a ton of money, plus you have to draft outside, you don’t really have other options.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 19, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder why the vets don’t push for the draft to happen before FA. The players should be for it, as teams that missed on certain players will overpay.

Teams should be on board as it allows them to draft more freely, instead of need.

If the draft was before FA, like last year, I would probably be less high on Hawthrone.

But if wishes were candy, i’d be a diabetic.

I would like to thank my hands for being so great, for allowing me to type this post.

by corn on the kolb on Feb 19, 2012 5:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

fair point

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 19, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I wanted tulloch last year. My view point hasn’t changed. Get this man, so What if we have to pay him what our back up qb made last year.

by Saidrick on Feb 19, 2012 3:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

We'll have to pay him much much more.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Feb 19, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

probably about 6-7 million a year

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 19, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah probably right around there.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Feb 21, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Not true. It has a specific requirement for specific MLB, but WILLs can thrive in it too. Keith Bullock for example. He’s as prototypical as they get iirc. He’s got some size and experience on Rolle, but they both have similar skillsets.

The real question is what to do with SAM. Traditionally they’re closer to WILLs who play off the line and try to force the plays back inside to the MIKE.

Your MIKE has 1 requirement, as DSmiths excellent post illustrates. They have to be right. They’re gonna be forced to choose a gap and they just have to be smart enough to get there. A guy like LK is a perfect fit at that. As does Tulloch and Lofton. A guy like Fletcher whose been around forever knows how to make that decision.

Your outside guys are there for coverage, while your MIKE is there to tackle bitches.

I would like to thank my hands for being so great, for allowing me to type this post.

by corn on the kolb on Feb 19, 2012 5:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Danny Trevathan for SAM

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Feb 21, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm just going to copy and paste what I posted in MacJack's (Sauerkraut's) profile of Hawthorne

If the price was right, we could sign Hawthorne and draft Kuechly. We could use Hawthorne to fill the middle until Kuechly was ready to takeover. Then, we could move Hawthorne to SAM, which would give us a pretty strong group of LBs.
Also, it would also give us great depth at Mike, because we could just slide Hawthorne over if Kuechly gets hurt.
Addendum: we should be able to fill the WILL spot internally.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Feb 19, 2012 4:07 PM EST reply actions  

^^

Is saying the same thing I am, but with less words lol

I would like to thank my hands for being so great, for allowing me to type this post.

by corn on the kolb on Feb 19, 2012 5:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

True, but I have the advantage of saying it first.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Feb 19, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Brown...

Is as big as Chaney.. Just not as physical. His skill set (mainly because of coverage ability) fits that of a SAM; but there is major doubt about his ability to set the edge.

Tulloch #2012.. If we waste money on any other FA MLB our defense is doomed yet again.. Better the devil you know, and Tulloch is that.

'Study long. ... Study wrong. ..' Chad Butler

by Illadelphia-Braintrust on Feb 19, 2012 5:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Id like to see

us sign a FA MLB and then draft an WILL or a SAM in the 1st or 2nd round

by STZ513 on Feb 19, 2012 9:07 PM EST reply actions  

YOU GUYS ARE CRAZY

We have #Caseymatthews on are squad

by Bmoney556 on Feb 20, 2012 2:07 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

knows the wide 9, therefore he’s got a lane up

by Randy Marsh on Feb 20, 2012 5:38 AM EST reply actions  

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