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1. I have been an Eagles fan for a long time now, I have stayed true through thick and thin. I have survived the Buddy Ryan, Rich Kotite, and Ray Rhodes eras. Yes I know we were SOMEWHAT successful with Buddy Ryan but we still had to watch the Dallas Cowboys win multiple rings along with the Redskins.. I was too young to remember the 90 Giants win, but there are a lot of guys on here that will remember that... My point is this, in my eyes, there is no more cursed football team than the Philadelphia Eagles.

We have been contenders for a decade straight with very few down years (05,11, 07) since making our runs. We have had hall of famers, damn near hall of famers and a plethora of pro bowlers in our locker room. Yet, our division has MULTIPLE super bowl rings, and we have ZERO to show for it. Watching the 9-7 Vagiants recover all 3 of their fumbles and win a 2nd Super Bowl in the past 4 years is absolutely gut wrenching.

My activity on here has been low, I can't even bear to look at a Giants fan, read their websites, or look at ESPN/NFL.com...Watch them gush all over Tom Coughlin and company while mid-season they were talking about his immediate replacement.... Meanwhile, I have had to sit and watch Donovan McNabb throw up 3 different occasions in either a CG or SB game. I've had to watch us get destroyed in big games when we were heavily favored.

Being an Eagles fan is like being an abused girlfriend. We love our boyfriend(eagles) so much and year after year we get abused but come back for more.. It makes me sick.

We need a picture that shows us Eagles fans are prideful through thick and thin. Something that shows we are loyal, like an old-school "True til death" tattoo or something. Throwing up an Eagles pic at the moment just doesn't work. We need something that conveys we are going to be fans no matter how bad this whole thing feels.

2. I have started to think about Shady McCoy. I like him, nice player, great player. But I really hope we don't give him a big contract. Remember how I argued Westbrook was way better (he is)?. Now that I think about it, Shady rarely sees the attention guys like Adrian Peterson or MJD will get. Teams can't stack the box against us due to DeSean Jackson and Maclin's speed. They also have to respect Michael Vick's speed. What I'm saying is, he's a nice player, but his stats are bloated because of the respect defenses have to show to our other players. This wasn't the case for Westbrook OR guys like AP, MJD who are probably overall, better backs.

3. We need some size @ the WR position. Maclin is OK down there, Jackson is a non factor and Celek will get his but we just don't have a guy that can create those match up problems down there. All of the best teams had someone that could: GB - Jermichael Finley, NO - Jimmy Graham , Colston Giants: Nicks, Patriots - Gronkowski, .. Even the Jets vastly improved their red zone offense with Plaxico Burress, perhaps one of the best WRs ever to use his body in a jump ball. .. We get the yards, but we need the points and not FGs.

4. Most people don't remember as they weren't here but pre 2008 I wasn't known as the McNabb hater, in fact I was known as the "Andy hater." I wanted him fired more than anything. I still think we can win with him but we need to change our philosophy on certain things. The undersized tweener experiments have been a failed experiment for years. The line backers have to be upgraded as well. And you know what there are BIG guys who can play the game at a very high level. So if we continue to draft small high motor D-lineman and LBs who just suck, the pendulum will start to swing in "Fire Andy."

5. I am still on the Albert Haynesworth bandwagon. When he is on top of his game, he can't be stopped. His first year as a Redskin he was playing at "half speed," and I watched him OWN Jamal Jackson and Todd Herramanes with ease. I mean throw them back 3 yards and make a pro bowl guard and a very above average center look like scrubs... He also has a nasty streak when motivated. Imagine a motivated Haynesworth and Jenkins on the same line? He would probably come cheap too which makes him high reward low risk...

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2. I have started to think about Shady McCoy. I like him, nice player, great player. But I really hope we don’t give him a big contract. Remember how I argued Westbrook was way better (he is)?. Now that I think about it, Shady rarely sees the attention guys like Adrian Peterson or MJD will get. Teams can’t stack the box against us due to DeSean Jackson and Maclin’s speed. They also have to respect Michael Vick’s speed. What I’m saying is, he’s a nice player, but his stats are bloated because of the respect defenses have to show to our other players. This wasn’t the case for Westbrook OR guys like AP, MJD who are probably overall, better backs.

The amount of disagreement that I would like to express to this is simply too much for words. Seriously, I… wow. He single-handedly kept us in games last year. He’s been (knock on woods, cross fingers, etc.) durable, he might have been MVP if we had a better record. I don’t see how we can not make him THE first priority next season.

Formerly DeSean10
36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green

Team Kuechly, J. Jenkins, Iloka

by AnthroEagle on Feb 17, 2012 10:39 PM EST reply actions  

I can’t even begin to recount how many times that I saw Shady single handedly turn a loss into a modest to big gain last year. The dude was truthfully a one man wrecking crew, and to be honest our line didn’t always get ideal push either. A lot of those 1300 rushing yards were solely on McCoy.

by P_Roach17 on Feb 18, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

We had one of the better lines in the league last year

And he went up against favorable match ps. Yes he had a lot of great runs, and he can make something out of nothing…but let’s not get overly ahead of ourselves

JoeD AKA The Voice Of Reason

by Joe_D on Feb 18, 2012 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Uh dude he wasn't even in the running for MVP

There were about 4 QBs for one, and Maurice Jones Drew had the better season with a much much worse team. Perhaps the worst QB in the league with even worse WR threats.

I never said he wasn’t a bad back, he’s absolutely up there. But he’s not facing stacked boxes like a lot of these guys are

JoeD AKA The Voice Of Reason

by Joe_D on Feb 18, 2012 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Like I said, I simply can’t express how strongly I disagree with you on this.

Formerly DeSean10
36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green

Team Kuechly, J. Jenkins, Iloka

by AnthroEagle on Feb 18, 2012 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you have a better argument than " I just love shady and he runs well?"

Im throwing out facts here, you’re just disagreeing. Perhaps with an Eagles bias. He’s a great back.. Top 10, maybe top 5, but there’s Forte, MJD, AP, Arian Foster, and perhaps even Ray Rice that are every bit as good, if not better. Foster is more of a WR threat as well. Sorry, those are just facts whether you want to admit it or not

JoeD AKA The Voice Of Reason

by Joe_D on Feb 18, 2012 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Those are the facts

And the facts you just stated are the exact reason we should sign him to a big contract. Let’s take a look…

he runs well
He’s a great back..
Top 10, maybe top 5
Forte, MJD, AP, Arian Foster, and perhaps even Ray Rice that are every bit as good

So he runs well, he’s a great back — probably top 5 in the league, and only AP, Forte, MJD, Arian Foster, and Ray Rice are even in the same category — but McCoy is the only one that doesn’t deserve a big contract? And did you happen notice that every player on that list that had even a half-competent QB was in the playoff picture? McCoy is incredibly important to this team, and as someone who lauded the accomplishments of Westbrook, I can’t believe you don’t see that. This is going to become your next McNabb thing — you’re gonna put on your “I’m right and everyone else is wrong” goggles and start spouting of every time he has a sub-par game.

Formerly DeSean10
36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green

Team Kuechly, J. Jenkins, Iloka

by AnthroEagle on Feb 18, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

No

a – RBs are a dime a dozen
b – It’s a passing league

The Giants were the worst running team in the league….The Pats couldn’t run either and Both the Saints the Packers had decent running attacks but none were overly impressive… Even Frank Gore had a modest year.

So no, there are much more important positions to pay and focus on than running back

JoeD AKA The Voice Of Reason

by Joe_D on Feb 18, 2012 1:00 AM EST up reply actions  

No

a – RBs are a dime a dozen
b – It’s a passing league

This coming from the guy who completely discredited McNab’s accomplishments because Westbrook deserved so much attention and required teams to gameplan for him. They have to gameplan for Shady too, but it’s hard to gameplan for both him and Vick and Jackson.

Formerly DeSean10
36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green

Team Kuechly, J. Jenkins, Iloka

by AnthroEagle on Feb 18, 2012 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

How many times did Westbrook take a 2 yard dump off and take it for 50 yards for a TD? Defenses were worried about WB and WB only. They were absolutely fine letting McNabb throw at someone else’s feet. Just re-watch the SB, the Pats had extra attention of WB and let TO/Pinkston get everything underneath or down the seam.. They figured if they could not let WB beat them they could win… WB was a WR too almost as much as he was a RB…Hes in a league of his own…anyway.

Here’s the thing… WHen WB was in the league it was Tomlinson who was 1a , Westbrook was 1b and there was no argument.. There’s about 5 guys who can do what Shady can do just as well, I listed them above

JoeD AKA The Voice Of Reason

by Joe_D on Feb 18, 2012 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Here’s the thing… WHen WB was in the league it was Tomlinson who was 1a , Westbrook was 1b and there was no argument..

Now you’re the one whose being biased. Nobody (from a fan’s perspective, which is the only thing we can really judge accurately) felt that way outside of Eagles nation. People don’t regard Westbrook near the level you think they do. Ask some fans today, most of them are going to tell you Shady is better than Westbrook was — guarantee it.

Formerly DeSean10
36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green

Team Kuechly, J. Jenkins, Iloka

by AnthroEagle on Feb 18, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

WTF

Westbrook 1b???? Jesus some of you guys are insane homers!!!!! I went to Nova with him. 1 year apart, played inter-mural basketball with him, hung out in West Chester with him(mutual friends), I really like the guy. He was GREAT but not LT, Priest Holmes(27 and 21 rushing TD’s in a season), Tiki Barber, Shaun Alexander, Curtis Martin, Edge James, and many others.

Westbrook had TWO 1,000 yard seasons in his Career!

Eagles go 8-8 or 9-7 in 2012/2013 season. 2/17/12

No way Eagles draft a LB in the first round 2012.

We will see if Spags was in the right place at the right time in the Gmens SB run. Or was that the fluke year and he really is just mediocre.

by MightyJoeBanner on Feb 18, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Joe your nuts on this bro

Eagles go 8-8 or 9-7 in 2012/2013 season. 2/17/12

No way Eagles draft a LB in the first round 2012.

We will see if Spags was in the right place at the right time in the Gmens SB run. Or was that the fluke year and he really is just mediocre.

by MightyJoeBanner on Feb 18, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Reply fail? Failure to notice the blockquote and my lengthy disagreement?

Formerly DeSean10
36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green

Team Kuechly, J. Jenkins, Iloka

by AnthroEagle on Feb 18, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

sorry tired!!!!!! I’m nuts. But my feelings remain about Westy. GREAT RB and an even better decoy/ threatening offensive weapon but not the best of his time or better than McCoy.

Eagles go 8-8 or 9-7 in 2012/2013 season. 2/17/12

No way Eagles draft a LB in the first round 2012.

We will see if Spags was in the right place at the right time in the Gmens SB run. Or was that the fluke year and he really is just mediocre.

by MightyJoeBanner on Feb 18, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I missed that you had said Joe, lol.

Formerly DeSean10
36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green

Team Kuechly, J. Jenkins, Iloka

by AnthroEagle on Feb 18, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Nicks is 6'1"

hardly an oversized athletic freak of nature… well, hand size not included.

by brisulph on Feb 18, 2012 1:31 AM EST reply actions  

He can use his body and he's physical though

Maclin for example, is 6 foot or 6’1’’ and he really doesn’t create any crazy match up problems in the red zone because of his lack of physicalness which was known since the draft. Eagles have lacked red zone ta lent for awhile now

JoeD AKA The Voice Of Reason

by Joe_D on Feb 18, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

You don’t necessarily have to be big to play physical.

Go Eagles!

by MRPH on Feb 18, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

We would be a different team if we went Nicks instead of Maclin and JPP over Graham. I do believe that if Maclin is used correctly he is a Torry Holt type guy. Can beat you over the top and runs GREAT routes.

Eagles go 8-8 or 9-7 in 2012/2013 season. 2/17/12

No way Eagles draft a LB in the first round 2012.

We will see if Spags was in the right place at the right time in the Gmens SB run. Or was that the fluke year and he really is just mediocre.

by MightyJoeBanner on Feb 19, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

  1. is #2.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Feb 18, 2012 1:44 AM EST reply actions  

Damn auto-formatting, #2 is #2,

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Feb 18, 2012 1:45 AM EST up reply actions  

1) Agree. I couldn’t even watch the SB. It would have been different if the Giants were a consistently good team all year, but they were absolutely horrible at times. I won’t call them lucky but at the same time I could not ever envision this sort of thing happening with the Eagles.

2) Fair points about Shady vs Westbrook but I still think that Shady adds a lot of value to the offense and would like to see us lock him up for a few years.

3) Agree 1000%. I think that this is where the Giants have a big advantage over us. Manning takes chances and throws balls up for grabs but his receivers are really good at fighting for the ball. It’s really frustrating watching that and knowing that our receivers cannot do it. I think that other than LB a physical WR is our greatest need.

4) Agree. I am tired of us going for tweener projects. As a whole Eagles need to get bigger and more physical.

5) If we can get Haynesworth cheap, why not? When motivated he is a beast.

Nice post. Rec’d. And keep the faith.

Go Eagles!

by MRPH on Feb 18, 2012 9:11 AM EST reply actions  

It's hard to keep faith but.. Im still here

I would just love a physical deense this year ala SF and get a big body in there who can win some tough grabs in the rZ

JoeD AKA The Voice Of Reason

by Joe_D on Feb 18, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it's

gonna be a tough season depending on FA. If somehow we get a really really really tough stingy defense to cover up our explosive but inefficient offense we are gonna have gut wrenching losses to get over on Monday.

Eagles go 8-8 or 9-7 in 2012/2013 season. 2/17/12

No way Eagles draft a LB in the first round 2012.

We will see if Spags was in the right place at the right time in the Gmens SB run. Or was that the fluke year and he really is just mediocre.

by MightyJoeBanner on Feb 19, 2012 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Wait

We had Jackson and Maclin in 2010 and Shady was rated the best RB against the stacked box…

by nyeaglesfan624 on Feb 20, 2012 4:17 AM EST up reply actions  

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