Mike Mayock On Vontaze Burfict "I Don't See First Round At All"
Vontaze Burfict was a popular name amongst Eagles fans as far as a LB target in this year's draft, but as more and more evaluation of him has started to trickle out, the clamor has died down a bit. Mike Mayock was asked about the Arizona State LB directly in his pre-combine conference call this week and what he had to say just might turn off Burfict's few remaining supporters.
I think some of the attention throughout the media with all the penalties and all those issues, I think they're a little bit too much. I just watched a bunch of his tape the other day, and I said forget the penalties and all is that stuff that surrounds him. What kind of football player is he? And I came away unimpressed.
From my perspective, if he gets a chance at a blow-up hit where he can just knock somebody into the next century, he's going to take it and it's going to look really good. That's where he's impressive. When he sees something and comes downhill and blows it up, it's really good.
However, the other major percentage of the time is his instincts aren't good. He gets enveloped by big bodies. He runs around end blocks. For a big, strong guy, he's nowhere near as good at the point of attack as I thought he would be. So that's even before you factor in all the other elements.
So from my perspective, I don't see first round at all.
It's funny, because all the reasons some people have given to be skeptical about Luke Kuechly are also reasons not like Burfict. His defenders have said they want a tougher, more physical presence... but in reality he just hasn't been that.
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I wonder how far ahead of Kiper and McShay guys like BKing and djackfan were.
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I see Burfict being just like Justice was when he was drafted
A “so-called” 1st round prospect who falls to the 2nd, we draft him and he never pans out.
Only there’s not many calling him a 1st round prospect at this point…
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If Burfict drops to our 2nd pick in the 2nd round then I'd definitely entertain taking him even if we have Luke in house.
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I think
these kinds of things are why Tommy Lowler thinks the Birds will go FA for a MLB. No high impact rookies without questions.
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by TommykUD on Feb 17, 2012 5:03 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Meh...
Opinions are like____ (use whatever word or expletive) everyone has one. There isn’t a TRUE stud LB at 15; plus Kuechly gets enveloped by OL as well. He doesn’t shed blockers that great either. I am too lazy to link footage, but it is true. They are 1A and 1B respectively; neither a capable starter. One is too slow, one too dumb, one out of shape, one who doesn’t weigh enough..etc. We go super HAM (Hard. As. a Motherfucker) at Lofton, Tulloch, AND/OR Hawthorne. That’s right 2 LB in FA. We can pick up Keenan Robinson, etc in rounds 4 or 5. We also need another DT (ie Fletcher Cox, Jerel Worthy, etc), S like guy from Boise State, QB..like Nick Foles, and the rest for depth. I still think Vontaze will be worth one of our 2nds, AND he will turn out to be a stud in 2 yrs after draft
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by Lawdhvmercy on Feb 17, 2012 3:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Virtually no college LBs are really good at shedding blocks.
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you're a little off
First off Luke 1A fine, but Burfict if far from 1B. No college LB is at all great at shedding blocks, but Luke can be taught, he’s a good kid and shows the willingness to fight through blocks. And why isn’t he big enough? I’ve seen him reportedly at 240, why isn’t that big enough for MLB? A lot of really good MLB are at that weight range.
i hope we take kuechly, he is one of those guys that is in the right place all the time, something we cant say for any of our current LBs.
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He'd rack up like 300 tackles
Cuz no one else on our team can tackle besides Cole, Jenkins and Patterson
Just wait until December..
vontaze has top 10 talent and flag football type instincts. he probably has the most boom or bust potential in the draft.
seen the kid from boston college play. he is a limited athlete. no way is he as talented as sean lee. but he will be consistent and always be in position to make plays. something the eagles haven’t had at MLB in many years.
Sign a free agent LB. Take a DT in the 1st round. Draft a WR if Desean leaves or Safety if he doesn’t with our early 2nd round pick. Vontaze with our late round 2nd, sounds good to me.
Vontaze you can easily get in the 3rd
Or if it was me I wouldn’t lay a hand on him at all in the draft.
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by Lawdhvmercy on Feb 17, 2012 8:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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As far as IBLEEDGREEN…Burfict should be selected early in 2nd (Value type pick)…1st Round talent, speed, athleticism; drops because out of shape, character issues (purportedly), off field issues, and poor 2011 season = major value for cheap ;)
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by Lawdhvmercy on Feb 17, 2012 8:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Correction
1st round athletic talent, 5th round work ethic, 6th round 2011 production, 7th round character, UDFA instincts and smarts.
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The only FA MLB's I'd take are
Tulloch or Lofton… I’d also say take Zach Brown over the DT because he’s going to be a stud.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
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Anyone who thinks Kuechly can’t shed blocks hasn’t followed his career. Sure he occasionally gets blocked out of a play, same can be said for every linebacker. But the truth is he is that great shedding blocks. – 191 tackles this season! 102 of them solo. Anyone who thinks he cant shed blocks might as well say the earth is flat.
I think he’s good at avoiding blocks. He’s just not good at disengaging from them. Of course, as JasonB said, not many college LBs can. Still, it’s not a total stretch to think that if he can’t avoid NFL blockers like he could Big East blockers (because that’s a pretty major step up), he could have some trouble with getting swallowed up.
And the tackles thing, that’s not a very reliable stat in college. It’s just one guy employed by the school sitting there writing down numbers with no review or oversight, and no way to keep them from fudging the numbers in their guy’s favor.
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by KeepSwinging on Feb 17, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Back to Burfict...
Here is a guy who just doesn’t play tough. He takes games off – not plays – whole games. His coaches stopped trying to coach him bc he just does whatever he wants to do – which hurts the rest of the defense. When he guesses right, he can destroy a ball carrier, but 80% of the time he makes the wrong read and misses the play altogether.
Kuechly is always around the ball. Always at the bottom of the pile. Always making the stop. We don’t need HRs – we need the guy with the high on base % who puts us in position to win.
Totally agree
We need consistency in a Defense that was, well, highly inconsistent last year. We can’t afford some head case project at this point.
Burfict....no disrespect
But the Eagles aren’t high on taking penalties to give the opposition field advantages. Especially when plays have stop and someone in the move causes a personal foul, albeit it’s not personal just confounded. Who wants to add to the role as captain of the defense, that obviously leads the team in penalties or the rest of the team covers for his mistakes. We can’t have someone who’d take the game on a personal level, let alone in the locker room. Good player to start but needs a whole lots of work on this extreme personality. Maybe back in John Madden’s era, he’d be a darn perfect fit with the Raiders….it’s the 21st century, no team wants anything to do with erratic personality. Or someone who gives field advantages to the oppositions, how is anyone going to put some control in someone who does what he wants. I wouldn’t start him, just throw him in the mix of rotations. A darn good player, not projected as team captain and can be use sparingly in varieties of schemes, that’s plus just not on the top list.
by EaglesHeat on Feb 18, 2012 6:56 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Burfict's a marvel as far as measurables and athletic ability...
However he’s simply a bad football player at this point in his life, maybe he will be picked up and will sit behind a LB for a few years and learn how to be a football player, decent human-being and mature up a bit so he can eventually be the LB he’s suppose to be.
I’d say our best bet to improve this Defense is to take Luke at #15 or trade up into the top 10 to ensure we snag him then go OLB in FA and Draft.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
at this point I think the earliest I'd take Burfict is late 2nd round
and if I were the Eagles and he made it to my 3rd round pick I’d snag him up in a second and make him our SAM LB once he gets his shit straight.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

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