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Football Outsiders On Eagles Awful Linebacking Crew

PHILADELPHIA, PA - JANUARY 01:  Brandon Banks #16 of the Washington Redskins eludes the tackle of  Akeem Jordan #56 of the Philadelphia Eagles on a kick off return during the second half at Lincoln Financial Field on January 1, 2012 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.  (Photo by Rob Carr/Getty Images)

Vince Verhei of Football Outsiders wrote a piece yesterday detailing the biggest offseason needs for every NFC East team. Now we could all see how the Eagles LBs performed last season, but when Verhei quantifies their issues it becomes even more painfully obvious where the weakness on this defense was.

The stat pages at Football Outsiders make the holes in Philadelphia's defense very clear. First, the defensive line statistics, where we see Philadelphia ranked third in stuff rate but 29th in second-level yards and 22nd in open-field yards. In plain English, that means the defensive line was very good at hitting runners in the backfield, but when those runners made it across the line of scrimmage, they usually went for big gains.

Next, the team defense page, which shows that the Eagles were OK covering wide receivers and dominant against tight ends, but they ranked 29th when covering running backs in the passing game. You'd be hard-pressed to find a team in the league that got less value out of its linebackers.

How much of an afterthought have linebackers been in the City of Brotherly Love? Of the team's top five linebackers, one (Akeem Jordan) was undrafted, two (Jamar Chaney and Moise Fokou) were seventh-round picks, and one (Brian Rolle) was a sixth-rounder. Casey Matthews, a fourth-rounder last year, has the best pedigree -- but he was such a disaster that he was benched after just three games.

His last point is one I've been talking about forever now. Where's the investment in the position? Where's the pedigree? They're stocking it with late round picks and hoping for what? To get lucky?

Star-divide

In the Reid era they've spent a top pick on virtually every position but linebacker. They've taken 2 offensive lineman (bet you thought it was more), 1 OB, 2 WRs, 5 defensive lineman and one corner in the first round. They've spent big free agent money on corners, defensive ends, QBs, WRs (once...). They've traded a first round pick for an offensive lineman...

Point is, virtually everywhere else on the team they've invested in top talent. But not at LB. So it's no wonder that's where the weakness is. It's time to invest in the position.

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13 years of

not investing, don’t see it changing.

by Easedel on Feb 15, 2012 9:06 AM EST reply actions  

How quickly he forgets such investments as

Matt McCoy, Chis Gocong, Stewart Bradley and the illustrious Quinton Caver

by DLawrence55 on Feb 15, 2012 9:12 AM EST reply actions  

Funny that McCoy was the highest of those in the second round…

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by JasonB on Feb 15, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

If by funny, you mean tragic, then I’m laughing hysterically.

I read a column Lawlor wrote years after we got rid of McCoy. He was saying he loved that pick

by DLawrence55 on Feb 15, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Bradley was good before his injury and Gocong was a perfectly fine SAM for what we did back then.

by Anders Jensen on Feb 15, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I can agree with this...

…never thought the day would come that I longed for Stewart Bradley back…

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by Qwest on Feb 15, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Did we actually draft him as a DE?

Or did we always want him as a SAM? If he was a conversion, why did he never work out as a DE for us; did we even try?

by DLawrence55 on Feb 15, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

shit…that was supposed to be a reply to Qwest’s comment below

by DLawrence55 on Feb 15, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

We always wanted him as a SAM...

…but he still had never played the position before we drafted him, so technically we drafted a DE.

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by Qwest on Feb 15, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Gocong can't count in that statistic.

He was a converted DEnd.

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by Qwest on Feb 15, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

But his selection

speaks to another issue: drafting guys and trying to use them in a way that was different from what got them drafted to begin with. Gocong was successful in college with his hand in the dirt, rushing the passer. Mr Piggy and his piglets try to make him a stand up, read and react LB and that is why he failed.

by The Reddgie on Feb 15, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I liked Gocong for some reason

Always played hard even if he was making a mistake. Am forever grateful to him though for him being 1/2 of the hit put on B.Jacobs flipping him mid air causing a fumble, good stuff.

by EagleEyes on Feb 15, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

In other news, water is wet.

The Eagles have had so many shots at guys in the draft and they’ve continually passed them up. A perfect example is the Dallas and Philly trade in 2010. Long story short, the Cowboys got Sean Lee and the Eagles got Daniel Te’o-Neshiem, Clay Harbor, Mike Kafka, Ricky Sapp, Riley Cooper and Dion Lewis. Whoops.

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by d-jackfan10 on Feb 15, 2012 9:27 AM EST reply actions  

I remember that exact moment when I heard we traded our pick

I was screaming and wondering why not take Sean Lee? Then the Cowboys get the guy!!! I wasn’t happy!

by slandog on Feb 15, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Would Lee even fit in here?

And Harbor’s not a bad TE, Kafka was worth a shot, Cooper has disappointed but isn’t a disaster, and the jury is still out on Lewis.

I don’t think it was that bad of a trade.

2012 is the year of Philly sports teams.

by bdawk4ever on Feb 15, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re sooooo ridiculous. You realize how stupid you look by throwing all your weight behind anything the Eagles do, right? A trade that nets one team a pro-bowl caliber LB and another team a bunch of average at best back-ups is one that is won by the team with the pro-bowl LB.

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by d-jackfan10 on Feb 15, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s time to invest in the position.

Reid can’t possibly be so stubborn as to not do something about the linebacker position…right?

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by immynimmy on Feb 15, 2012 9:28 AM EST reply actions  

bwahahahaha
Reid can’t possibly be so stubborn as to not do something

It's never easy being an Eagle fan........but I'll be damned if I ever stop !
We don't need the best players at every position,
we need players that play their best , at every position.

by JJeaglerooter on Feb 15, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

what

last year our biggest need was RCB. We went and got 2 probowlers.

This year our biggest need is LB. We’ll probably get some LBs.

by smeagle on Feb 15, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

thats the point

everyone knew the LBs were terrible before the preseason, but andy had to see in-game confirmation that his LBs suck. why cant we EVER get ahead of something? all we do is pick up the mess by time it is too late. see the WR corps in the Mcnabb years, we had literally the worst WR in the league, Andy waited three seasons to do anything about it, and by time he did we didnt have the best team in the league anymore (sorry but the 2002 team was the best eagles team ever, not 2004).

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by mpd2005 on Feb 15, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with this

It’s so glaring they have to invest in it. It’s impossible not to.

They have used seconds and thirds and pulled in the free-agent band-aid (Spikes, Witherspoon), but now it’s time to go big. Period end of story.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 15, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

There is no investment in the position whatsoever

and now with the team teetering on the edge, there’s going to be one hell of a clamor if we STILL dont do shit about it. despite with such late picks, i think we still did a decent job making use of what we had, even if what we had was garbage

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by jXn on Feb 15, 2012 9:55 AM EST reply actions  

This offseason:

Andy Reid must go. …. Andy stays.
We have to sign Spags! … Spags to the Saints.
But Castillo HAS to go! … Juan stays.
Well we better at least get a LB in FA or the Draft! ….
to be continued…

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by thePurpleLion on Feb 15, 2012 10:04 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I’m fucking disgusted.

Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.

by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST

by packimop on Feb 15, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeh …good point there…

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Feb 15, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

…Eagles continue to be one of the most profitable franchises in professional sports….maintenance of status quo ensured

by DLawrence55 on Feb 15, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

This has to be the year Reid finally drafts a LB in the 1st rd.

Depending on what happens with DJAX and free agency we shall have a clear cut projection of what the 1st rd pick will be on april 26th.

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by Almightypudster on Feb 15, 2012 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

You know what I took away from this?
the Eagles were OK covering wide receivers and dominant against tight ends

Wow, never thought we’d see that in an analysis. Everything else was pretty obvious.

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by AnthroEagle on Feb 15, 2012 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah Nnamdi was a big part of that.

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by JasonB on Feb 15, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

bust

Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.

by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST

by packimop on Feb 15, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Too big a part of that...

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by Qwest on Feb 15, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

That's what I was about to type...

I couldn’t believe it when I read it, but now thinking back, I guess we were pretty good against tight ends this year.

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by Qwest on Feb 15, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, I think we identified it as a weakness early and focused on it.

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by thePurpleLion on Feb 15, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

…by constantly playing in nickel coverage and further exposing our weak run defense. Hurray?

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by Avant-Garde on Feb 16, 2012 1:46 AM EST up reply actions  

That was the one non-obvious piece of analysis to me. I thought we were murdered by tight ends against New England, but perhaps I am wrong.

by 999 on Feb 15, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

To be fair, we were down some players in the secondary that game.

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by AnthroEagle on Feb 15, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

And the Jets have two pretty good TEs.

2012 is the year of Philly sports teams.

by bdawk4ever on Feb 15, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Its no surprise

out of all our LBs and Safties, we have 2 potential (working in progress) starters…everyone else is a backup at best…..

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Feb 15, 2012 10:21 AM EST reply actions  

who?

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by thePurpleLion on Feb 15, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Allen and Rolle?

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Feb 15, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

So we’re writing off Jarrett, Clayton, and Matthews already, huh? Coleman had some moments too, but I do think he’d be a better backup than starter.

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by AnthroEagle on Feb 15, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Writing off? You have to EARN a starting spot dude….. you dont just give them away…. CMON man

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Feb 15, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Plus,

Jarrett and Matthews didnt get much playing time, so its STILL hard to say whether or not they will transition to NFL playing. I think we can all say with confidence, that what we saw from Matthews early in the season was horrible. He was in on some plays toward the end of the season as well, and cant say he did anything great to showcase himself, but he didnt blow it either. I am still looking forward to seeing Jarrett this year. And, like Shady said already, hopefully, Bowles will fix some of the secondary issues for our safeties.

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by thePurpleLion on Feb 15, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not saying you give them away, but you just said that there are only two players out of that group two potential starters in that group, implying that none of the other players will be able to start. You wrote them off. I don’t get why you think that was some sort of controversial/attacking statement.

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by AnthroEagle on Feb 15, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Potential does not equal starting caliber dude. Until they prove themselves and are CONSISTENT, they are not worthy of starting in the NFL. Its as simple as that….Allen and Coleman were given starting roles ….heck they couldnt even get by Page ….he had to get the boot so one of them could start….that is not earned in my mind. Matthews was given the spot, Clayton hasnt shown enough YET to be a starter….. I think you are confusing potential with starting caliber…

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Feb 15, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

They do have potential….they just really need to be more consistent ….the safetieds anyways…the LBs need an overhaul

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Feb 15, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay, here's the confusion
I think you are confusing potential with starting caliber…
we have 2 potential (working in progress) starters

You said we have two “potential” starters, i.e. only two players who have the potential to ever start. So you’re writing off the others as NOT having the potential to start, which is ridiculous.

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by AnthroEagle on Feb 15, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You can play the semantics game and put words in my mouth all day long…I could care less…youre wasting your time….

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Feb 15, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparently I am, because you’re simply not comprehending what I’m writing. I haven’t put any words in your mouth.

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by AnthroEagle on Feb 15, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Its ok man…..movin on….

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Feb 15, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah you kind of nailed on his exact words

And he still tried to distance himself from it.

There’s playing the semantics game, and there’s “here’s exactly what you said, is it what you meant or not?”

Basically, he’s not going to admit he’s wrong.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 15, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

See, I think the jury is still out on Allen. He had a great year before his injury. I just hope he comes back better next year. This year was definately disappointing for him.
I actually think that Coleman has potential to be a solid starter. Hard hitter, seems to be in on every play. Good drive … or should I say “high motor.”
Rolle was seems like he has potential, but will probably be a rotational guy, IMO.
Chaney was pretty good at times but inconsistent, another rotational guy.

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by thePurpleLion on Feb 15, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Hopefully Bowles can bring out the best in them. I still dont see them as starters, other than Allen. But this next year is make or break for most of those guys.

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Feb 15, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Hopefully Bowles can bring out the best in them.

This.

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by thePurpleLion on Feb 15, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

this would definitely grab andy’s attention

by bula412 on Feb 15, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry I had to re-post this question "Michael Floyd anybody?"

Would it be a smart move to draft Michael Floyd with our 1st round?
The reason why I think this guy would be great is because he’s a big dude that fights for the ball. We don’t have a WR that’s effective in the red zone and this dude is beast. One thing I like about this dude unlike Jackson & Maclin is that Floyd turns around and fights for that ball even when he’s covered very well. We need a WR that’s built like a TE and Floyd’s that guy. What Dunta did to Jackson & Maclin won’t work with this dude, Dunta would just hurt himself. I’ll take Floyd over Blackmon in a heart beat.
Mark my words people this dude is the next Calvin Johnson.
Why waste money bringing in overpriced FA’s when we can draft a future WR.
Jackson + Floyd + Maclin + Avant= Best WR core in the NFL.
(trade or cut Cooper,Smith & Hall)
As far as LB, 2nd round is going to have some really good talent plus we can bring in Fletcher for a 2yr deal.

Chris Rainey anybody?
If we can get this dude with one of our 2nd picks than Mccoy is going to have a stellar backup. Cut Brown and bring in Rainey. I like Lewis but not this much.
The reason I like Rainey is because he can change directions and juke just like McCoy, and I think he’s a little faster than McCoy.
Also, having Rainey for backup would keep McCoy humble both on the field and contract time.

by EaglesNeedD on Feb 15, 2012 11:08 AM EST reply actions  

I like Kuechly.

Not to say we couldnt get rid of Jackson and Samuel for a 1st rd pick and take him or Blackmon too, but my priority is LB.

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by thePurpleLion on Feb 15, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not 100% sold on Kuechly.

If we draft him I won’t be mad. I just think he’s just a product of good coaching. I think BC does a good job teaching LBers. Kuechly was the backup for Mark Herzlich and I find both to be similar. I would pick a physical LB over Kuechly anytime. Btw 2nd round is going to have some good LBers. I’m just tired of us drafting undersized talent. Would I waste my 1st round on a LB? No. Atleast not in the 2012 draft, alot of good LBers coming out of this draft year. I would love to test FA for our LB and pick a LB in the 2nd round.

by EaglesNeedD on Feb 15, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

^ this guy

i’m all for drafting a playmaker WR in the draft… and picking up a LB in FA

www.tinyurl.com/poloRLsale2012

by theBIZness215 on Feb 15, 2012 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

I say

A solid vet lb in fa ,plus kuechly,as well as moss and speedy wr in draft.

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by JJeaglerooter on Feb 15, 2012 11:28 AM EST reply actions  

Eagles try to get the biggest issue address after every offseason. Problem with Dimitri Patterson starting? Get DRC and Nnamdi! Hopefully they do the same with linebackers spot.

I’m not getting my hopes up, though.

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by Imp on Feb 15, 2012 11:33 AM EST reply actions  

I've never seen a non-top 5 team get locked into a pick in February before the combine before

but hell if Kuechly is available, all signs keep pointing that way. It’d suck if he were taken before then.

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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 15, 2012 11:52 AM EST reply actions  

Not really...

…Zach Brown would be just as good here, if not better. He’s one of those freak athletes man…and everyone will know it when he runs a sub 4.4 40 at 235+ pounds.

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by Qwest on Feb 15, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

That's who I was thinking about too. But he ain't a SAM or MIKE....and that's what you guys want, right?

Aren’t you set with Rolle as your WILL. I LOVE Brown as a prospect, but the knock on him is his run defense.

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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 15, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't call us "set" with Rolle...

I think he had a very good rookie season, and by no means should he be the first linebacker replaced, but I think our fanbase being so big on him is a result of lowered expectations for linebacker play over the years more than the actual level of his play.

I’ve said it numerous times on this forum. I WANT PLAYMAKERS. I want us to draft players that must be accounted for by the opposition. Zach Brown is one of those players at LB with Hightower and Burfict being the other two. Keulchy is the most sound and reliable of those four, but probably has a better shot being Stew Bradley than Brian Urlacher.

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by Qwest on Feb 15, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

By the way...

…I hadn’t seen you here since your team won it all. I give you congrats and the ultimate props as a fan, as you had the balls and the class to mix it up on this site BEFORE your team won the Superbowl.

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by Qwest on Feb 15, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been around...I've avoided some of the main topics

that refer to the Giants, simply because I know I might end up accidentally pissing someone off haha. I’ve chillin in the Eternal threads and some fanposts. But thanks man, I appreciate it.

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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 15, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

What don't you like about Hightower and Burfict?

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by Qwest on Feb 15, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Hightower is very instinctual

but he’s limited athletically. Burfict is just an ass that plays undisciplined. BKinginAz’s fanposts sum it up better than I could.

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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 15, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Lucky for us, there is some good MLBs in this years FA and Lawlor just made a post on igglesblitz.com to describe some later round prospects there could play MLB for us.

Also in your system the SAM lb is more important then the MLB, but we atleast need a MLB there can tackle to save his life.

by Anders Jensen on Feb 15, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

great article

Amazing that every position BUT LB has been drafted or had a quality free agent signing except linebacker in the Reid era.
I long for the days of Seth Joyner, William Thomas and Byron Evans.
I fully expect the Eagles to pass on any linebacker available to them in the first round and also to NOT sign any linebackers in free agency.
Why ?

Well lets fast forward to training camp.

Andy, why didn’t you attempt to draft any linebackers or sign any free agent linebackers ?

Well, with another year in Juan’s system I can really see this group coming together and making plays every week. We took a look at the draft and the free agents and none of those guys were better than what we have. Thats right—-NO FREE AGENTS OR DRAFT PICKS ARE BETTER THAN CASEY MATTHEWS AND JAMAR CHANEY.
At that point—-every one in attendance does a collective face palm.

by Gdog2009 on Feb 15, 2012 12:30 PM EST reply actions  

haha so true

Since we’ve only been complaining about the LBs for a year and a half, andy needs to see on-field confirmation that they suck for three full seasons before making a change…remember the WRs during the mcnabb years? we had to complain for three years before he went and got TO…

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by mpd2005 on Feb 15, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

We did great at shutting down no name TEs, but average and above average TEs did pretty well against us. The only quality TE that we shutdown was Witten.

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by KByars on Feb 15, 2012 12:38 PM EST reply actions  

the coverage on tony gonzalez in week 2 cancels out any TE we “shut down”

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by mpd2005 on Feb 15, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not just that.

V Davis 4-45 with a TD
Fred Davis 6-95
A. Hernandez 6-62
Gronk 4-59 1 TD
Fasano 3-56
Keller 3-73

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by KByars on Feb 15, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

At the least...

… comparatively speaking, we did have a great year against tight ends. Tight ends are going to get their catches…it’s too short a path from the QB to consistently stop the completions when the team actually utilizes them…but compared to the three preceding years, those are HUGE improvements

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by Qwest on Feb 15, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

It's okay.

THE BEST TE LANCE KENDRICKS was a non-factor vs. Philly

"the Patriots aren't that good." -Freddie Mitchell

by ILL Eagle on Feb 15, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh for the days of...

Mark “Backup Kicker” Simoneau, Carlos Emmons, and Nate “Mr. Monday Night” Wayne.

by nycas on Feb 15, 2012 1:01 PM EST reply actions  

Emmons..

Emmons was pretty good actually.

by Gdog2009 on Feb 15, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Emmons

That trio was relatively solid, albeit unspectacular. I guess my personal strike against Emmons is that he went straight to the Giants.

by nycas on Feb 15, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Emmons was very good was he was here. Wasn’t a playermaker but he was solid against the run and the pass. Best overall LB the Eagles have under Reid’s tenure.

by MG77 on Feb 15, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

P.S.

I apologize for the middle of this thread, people….but if you don’t check your bitches when they step out of line, they lose their minds.

Why do people always think I'm playing the Race Card???
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by Qwest on Feb 15, 2012 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

Meh. He was out of his mind before this post anyway.

RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
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by Imp on Feb 15, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

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by djthekidd on Feb 15, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Poop.

I was looking forward to reading it. Damn it.

That's like your opinion, man.

by BIBTD on Feb 15, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Quick summary

for those who never got to see it? (Like me)

by NowWhat? on Feb 15, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

A less literate version of Deniro’s character from Cape Fear came and trolled Qwest.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Feb 15, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

honestly our currents lbs

Make me miss Chris Gocong. Sign David Hawthrone and Draft Bobby Wagner in the 2nd round and move away from these articles Andy.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 15, 2012 2:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

In defense of our LBs

OK, they aren’t very good. But the style of defense that we play attacks behind the line and the backfield doesn’t come up to stuff the run. Basically, our LBs are left holding the bag if anything leaks through to them, and their stats are going to be worse because of that. Now, what that does mean is that we need even better LBs. But I think even with that you will see their stats being a bit worse than teams runnng more conservative style defenses or those that run 3-4 defenses.

by jfranche on Feb 15, 2012 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

How can nobody mention?!

That the Eagles were #16 at right tackle and #31 at right end defending the run the run while #2 at left end and #7 at left tackle.

So basically Babin was one of the worst run defending DEs in all of the NFL. His lack of effort at times was apparent this year at defending the run and he quit in the 2nd half of the Seahawks’ game.

I am sure I will get the same dopes commenting here about how it isn’t Babin’s job to play the run even although though ~45% of the plays run against the Eagles’ defense this year were running plays. I guess Babin can take those off.

Notice incredibly strong the stats are for Cole’s side and how the Eagles were well under the NFL average for runs around the left end?

Even hampered by injury this year, Cole racked up 11 sacks in 14 G and had 4 more tackles than Babin. Babin can’t hold Cole’s jock as an all-around player yet it was Babin who got all of the accolades this year because of the sack total.

It amazes me how under-appreciated Cole is in town. Quiet ferocity is how I would describe the way he plays yet you hardly see any of his jersey at the Linc.

Easily the most under-appreciated player on this team and best overall player on this team besides McCoy right now.

by MG77 on Feb 15, 2012 7:40 PM EST reply actions  

Weren’t we all knocking Babin for that all year long?

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Feb 15, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Not as the sack total mounted. What was the capper for me is how he flat out quit in the 2nd half of the Seahawks’ game. He wasn’t the only Eagle but he if you go back & watch that game he is just standing around not even bothering to pursue the play downfield. Then after the game when he was asked about his effort and the team’s by a few reporters he got all pissed off & short with them.

by MG77 on Feb 15, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure we still did.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Feb 15, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Trust me there were plenty of Babin supporters on here especially as the sack total mounted.

Babin deserves credit for his sack total this year but if it means that he completely is ineffective against the run (numbers bare that out) then it makes the accomplishment somewhat hollow.

by MG77 on Feb 15, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I also add the Seahawks’ game is where I turned on Castillo too and wanted him fired. He couldn’t even draw a basic game plan to stop a hobbled Jackson with a one dimensional attack in Lynch.

What really spoke volumes thought about Castillo is that he was a complete no-show after the game on any post-game format to answer any questions. It was the same after the Cards’ game. When things went well and the Eagles’ won, he always was chipper & answered questions after the post-game. When it wasn’t, he was a no-show.

Now maybe that was a Reid decision. It was that shows that Reid is pretty poor at handling the media. I don’t think it. I think it was Castillo just ducking some tough questions & hostile crowd after some ugly losses this year in games the Eagles should have won.

by MG77 on Feb 15, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont think Cole is under appreciated in Philly. Its the national media there isnt appreciating how good of a DE Cole is.
Also most people was worried about Babin defending the run and still was even tho his sack total mounted. I know Im one there wish we had 2xCole, but we dont and I much rather have Babin and his pressure from he right then a DE there cant get any pressure but might stop a few run plays per game, because the only way to stop QBs like Manningx2, Brady, Bress etc is with pressure, not stopping the run.

by Anders Jensen on Feb 16, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Defense was missing a Hoover

If they had a safety who could tackled reliably this year at SS (paging Coleman or Jarrett) especially against the run, the Eagles would have made the playoffs I bet.

by MG77 on Feb 15, 2012 7:47 PM EST reply actions  

How many of the fans reading this article needed Football Outsiders Analysts

to tell us our LBs sucked?

How many of the fans reading my comment did NOT PREDICT the linebackers we had were simply completely outclassed in converting to the wide 9?

Why is this repetition necessary? We need 2 new LB’s.. one who commands the defense, plays smart, sheds blockers and stops the run. one who has above average to excellent coverage skills, strong physical presence, and can still hold his own in the run game.

WE NEED A COVER LB AND A STOPPER LB.

by milroyigglesfan on Feb 16, 2012 7:31 PM EST reply actions  

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