Possible Free Agent LB Targets For The Eagles
We've spent a large amount of time coming through the possibilities at LB available to the Eagles in the upcoming draft, but less so on the free agent market. Given that free agency will be back to happening before the draft this season, it's probably more pressing to look at that first.
So here's four candidates to help plug up the middle of that Eagles defense.
Stephen Tulloch - He was looking for big money last year and didn't get it, instead opting for a one year deal with the Lions. He'll obviously be looking to take another crack at that big deal this time around. He's only 27 and has played in the Jim Washburn wide-9 system his whole career, so he'd be able to step right into this defense with minimal learning curve. He had 111 tackles last year, but can tend to get lost in coverage.
Curtis Lofton - Another tackling machine who had 147 total last season. He's just shy of 500 total tackles in his four year career and he'll turn 26 this June. So he really should be just entering his prime years and he's already a very good run stopper. However, he's probably worse than Tulloch in coverage.
D'Qwell Jackson - Jackson missed all of 2010 with a torn pectoral, but returned last season and posted an NFL leading 116 solo tackles (158 total) to go along with 3.5 sacks. It's actually the second time in his career that he's led the NFL in tackles. He will be 29 this year and the injuries are a concern. As I said, he missed all of 2010 with a torn pectoral, but also missed most of 2009 with a shoulder injury. He's not super fast, so there's chance he's better suited to being an ILB in a 3-4 than a 4-3.
London Fletcher - Led the league in total tackles this year and has been one of the all around most productive and consistent MIKE LBs in the league for years now. Of course, therein lies the problem. He will be 37 in May and while he really didn't show much of a sign of slowing down last year, there's always a risk with a guy that up in years. Plus, he's at best a one, maybe two year stop gap. He'd certainly stop the hell out of that gap though.
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Certainly the most sure fit of the group.
For me, Jackson is the most intriguing. Just because he could be a huge value. Lofton might have the most upside though.
But with Tulloch, we know what we’re getting and we know he’ll fit in this system.
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idk
I remember concentrating on him vs. New Orleans and seeing him struggle against them
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yes, this
I was watching him going why did we want him do bad?
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by theaction on Feb 13, 2012 11:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Everyone has struggles sometimes...
Remember, he’s been behind the Wide-9 his whole career, so last year was also his first season transitioning to a new scheme. And NO is one of the best teams in the league at offensive schemes that attack the specific weaknesses of defenses and their players.
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The Lions run a wide 9 hybrid as well, dont they?
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Feb 13, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
They run the wide-9 just as much as us and they actually had a worse run defense then us, even with a better LB and I hope better run stuffing CBs (The Eagles had the worst trio of tackling in the NFL last year) and they didnt start Jarred Page for several games.
by Anders Jensen on Feb 13, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Lions run the wide nine buddy,
b.c the announcers just couldnt stop bashing the Eagles on THIS IS HOW YOU RUN THE WIDE NINE
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I am very wary of Jackson because of injury issues.
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should of signed Tulloch last year, they’ll be a year late
by Randy Marsh on Feb 14, 2012 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
I think that’s pretty much the order I’d like, with Fletcher and Jackson switched and Kuechly dropped in front of Fletcher.
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by d-jackfan10 on Feb 13, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Totally agree
Jackson said he wants to return to the Browns and he’d play under a franchise tag happily, not going anywhere. Lofton is the lynch-pin of the Falcons D, he’s not going anywhere. Tulloch was a huge part of the Lions D and I don’t think they’re going to want to let one of their role players leave after having their first good season in 15 years, not going anywhere. London is awesome but he’s going to decline soon. Meanwhile the Panthers said they weren’t going to re-sign Connor, whose from Pennsylvania, went to Penn State, and who, according to PFF, grades very well in run defense which is amazing considering the fact that Panthers have a horrible d-line. Bring him in.
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by KeepSwinging on Feb 13, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Lynch-pin or not...
…they probably won’t have the money to re-sign him so Lofton is more than likely going to hit the market.
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I could see them signing a guy like Tulloch and then going after Fletcher as well. A 37 year old won’t be able to command a lot of money.
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if anything they’d sign fletcher and draft a MLB like kuechly, that way you save $$ at MLB by not giving tulloch/lofton a big deal, you have your 1-2 year band aid with fletcher, and you’ve got a long term answer in kuechly. only problem for the birds is they suck at all 3 LB positions.
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I like that scenario
Plus, the LBs they have are all young players who might do better with a veteran presence among them.
by nyeaglesfan624 on Feb 13, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Wow! I’d much rather have a FA than a rook at Mike…. but….
After begging for him last off season… I watched Tulloch veeeery closely last year. He’s ok at best. Definitely a 2 down LB.
Lofton is probably the best bet… but you’d have to overspend for a “decent” talent… and who knows if he can play in our scheme.
Fletcher is truly a stop gap… and I hope we can do better.
Dont know a thing about Jackson… but I’d rather have another rook than a guy that has a decent shot a injury.
Hmmmmmm……
Agreed
Tulloch is better than what we’ve got, but I agree that he’s a two down guy.
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by JasonB on Feb 13, 2012 11:30 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
A two-down guy is all we need.
We want to stop the run and force the offense into 3rd and medium-to-long, bring in our nickel package where, even if we don’t have Asante, we are still one of the leagues’ best with Hanson, plug in Clayton for coverage, and unleash the Wide Nine to force the QB to throw the ball in 4 seconds.
Game. Set. Match.
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Coverage linebackers seem to rare commodity now. I think the reason being is these TEs are just getting too athletic (i.e. Jimmy Graham, Rob Gronkowski, Vernon Davis, Jason Witten, etc).
So more than likely for the linebackers you’re gonna have to settle for someone who is at best good in coverage and a great run stopper.
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I’d be interested in signing Fletcher for a two year deal and taking a flyer on Burfict if he falls like everyone expects. Outside of Ray Lewis, you’re not going to find a better tutor for a guy like Vontaze. I think two years maturing behind Fletcher would do wonders for his game and his attitude.
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I like this.
I was trying to think of a good combo of mentor/student that we could get, and this sounds like a pretty good combo. Good idea.
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Now this I could get behind. I think.
I really don’t like Burfict, but if he isn’t given the starting spot right away and he gets to learn from Fletcher (if he is willing), I would be much more comfortable drafting him. He would still need to show up to the combine like he has something to prove though. He had way too many problems that need addressing before draft if at all possible. And I still don’t think he is worth a top 20 pick.
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by phuckthat on Feb 14, 2012 12:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
So if we sign a MLB or a draft one with a high pick, where does Chaney go? SAM? He struggled there quite a bit last year.
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Trade him for a 6th, a la Joe Mays? I don’t particularly care, because it’s pretty obvious he doesn’t have the instincts to play MLB behind a wide 9, and as you said he struggled as a SAM. I think he was just a flash in the pan, and it’s likely his time with the Eagles is done.
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by Avant-Garde on Feb 13, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Wouldn’t say flash in the pan. I think he could go somewhere else and be a very solid LB, but he doesn’t seem to fit well here.
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by JasonB on Feb 13, 2012 11:31 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
He’ll become the back-up MIKE.
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by KeepSwinging on Feb 13, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
His struggles at SAM...
…could easily be attributed to alignment pre-snap, which was NOT being adjusted by then starter at MLB, the other Matthews.
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If Jackson could stay healthy he'd be the best of the group
Nvm the Eagles love injury careers , done deal
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by theaction on Feb 13, 2012 11:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions
No Hawthorne? He’s a big guy that’s pretty stout against the run, and Seattle seems to be moving in a younger direction, so doubt he’s retained. What’s the word on him?
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by TheRealMcCoy on Feb 13, 2012 11:36 AM EST via mobile reply actions
This.
I think Hawthorne’s the best MLB on the market, and yet it seems like no one is talking about him. The Niners’ Larry Grant would also be a shrewd signing. He’s ready to break out; once he escapes from the shadows of Patrick Willis and NaVorro Bowman, you’ll see.
I was wondering if I would
see his name pop up. I got to see a lot of him, living in Seattle, and I would love to have that guy on the Eagles. I hope that the fact that no one mentions him we might be able to pull him on the cheap.
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cant wait for this
as of now hes my top guy assuming Lofton gets the tag
by Mr.electric10 on Feb 13, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
with you on both these guys. Grant looked really good when i watched him play when Willis was out for a game or two there during the season, and Seattle doesn’t seem to want to even try to keep Hawthorne and he is just entering his prime. Would like either one, and both I believe are more realistic than Lofton, Jackson, or Tulloch
by shadyeagle25 on Feb 13, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
In a perfect world, we break the bank for Lofton as our MLB and draft Zach Brown as our SAM
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Zach Brown at SAM would be putting him at a total disadvantage. He’s 100% a WILL.
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by d-jackfan10 on Feb 13, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
I thought he was a SAM, unless I got it mixed up who is responsible for the TE.
by Anders Jensen on Feb 13, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
He's a WILL...
No doubt about it.
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""The Lions’ off-season priorities are clear: restructure Calvin Johnson’s contract to free up salary-cap space, re-sign free-agent starters Cliff Avril, Jeff Backus, Stephen Tulloch and Eric Wright, and add some young pieces in the secondary and on both lines who could be contributors soon."
At least one more year of Andy and Juan. If they don't win it all they both better be gone!
No way Eagles draft a LB in the first round 2012.
We will see if Spags was in the right place at the right time in the Gmens SB run. Or was that the fluke year and he really is just mediocre.
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I like the quote in your sig btw
“We will see if Spags was in the right place at the right time in the Gmens SB run. Or was that the fluke year and he really is just mediocre.”
I remember Giants fans calling for Perry Fewell’s head even as late as this season. Those guys just managed to win a Super Bowl. Spags did not impress in St. Louis, even though he was the head coach. Don’t mean to beat a dead horse with the whole Spags/Castillo debate again but seeing how the Giants postseason played out, maybe the hype around Spags was never really justified.
Is it possible that we get Lofton AND Fletcher
I know the Falcons aren’t going to let Lofton go but they are in salary-cap purgatory and Lofton is going to be expensive. We have the 11th most cap space currently, and we’re likely going to shed Samuel’s expensive contract. Lofton will probably cost a good chunk of money, but Fletcher might get signed on a cheap 1 or 2 year deal. The Eagles need veterans at LB. Perhaps they then draft another LB in the second round to revamp the front seven. If that were to happen, Juan Castillo might as well be reading off of a Chipotle menu because our defense would be a force.
Why would we get both though?
They play the same position and I doubt either one would willing sign on for a MLB-by-committee role, though I suppose I could be wrong. Lofton isn’t really a passing downs LB anyway, so it could work. But I’d rather just sign Fletcher and draft a MIKE in the first or second round to sit behind Fletch and learn for a year or two. It would make more financial sense for one thing.
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I know the Eagles like to move their linebackers around, so perhaps they stick Lofton in the middle and have Fletcher play WILL and have Fokou or Chaney play SAM. We still have a lot of young guys and no veteran presence with our LBs, and Fletcher shouldn’t cost THAT much considering how old he is, so it might actually make more financial and football sense to sign a guy for cheap rather than relying on rookies. Do you really want another Casey Matthews type situation to develop? I would rather have a proven veteran or two manning the linebacking position.
Well a Kuechly or even a Zach Brown would be much different than Matthews.
At least, I believe that to be the case, so I would trust say, one top-tier rookie in our lineup. I love the idea of Fletcher, but I would want him backed up by a talented rookie because he likely isn’t more than a one or two year solution wherever he lines up.
If we really could swing Lofton and Fletcher I certainly wouldn’t complain, but I also think we could maybe aim slightly lower for someone like Hawthorne and still come away from free agency in good LB shape and with money to spare.
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There’s no way you’re gonna sign Fletcher to play WILL. He’s a MIKE, or he’s signing somewhere else.
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by Avant-Garde on Feb 14, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
2 Names
Jo-Lonn Dunbar at MIKE and David Hawthorne at SAM. Both can play either LB position, but they are best suited at these respective positions.
Dunbar filled in very well for an injured Jonathan Vilma last season. He is stout, and he is solid against the run. There is not a lot of tape on him, so his level of talent is somewhat of an unknown. We would not have to break the bank to get him, either.
As for Hawthorne, he is a very solid linebacker. He really came on this past season for the Seahawks, and I envision him playing the SAM position. He is strong against the run, and is also pretty solid in pass coverage. We can put him over most TE’s in the league and trust that he Will not be lost in coverage. Hawthorne would not be as cheap as Dunbar, but he Will also not break the bank.
I like the versatility of both players, and the fact that either can man the MIKE or SAM backer positions. And, both of these players would vastly improve our linebacking corp for years to come, as both players are just entering their prime.
by The Dawkside on Feb 13, 2012 1:33 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Good call
On Dunbar. I remember him at BC and had no idea he was such a major contributor for the Saints this past season. Definitely an under-the-radar type of free agent who could come into his own as the permanent starter somewhere else (same with Larry Grant).
idk about both of them, I would just sign one of them. Out of all the FA LB’s we could go get, Dunbar, Hawthorne and Grant are the three I would want. The others just seem kind of less likely. All are young, Grant looked VERY good when Willis was out for a few games, Dunbar certainly impressed me and I agree could be real good as a starter here, and Hawthorne is entering his prime. Any one of these guys I would love to have at MIKE.
by shadyeagle25 on Feb 13, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
As far as Lofton is concerned,
There is talk of the Falcons having him become a two-down LB next year, should the Falcons decide to retain him.
However, and this is just my take on it, it might be plausible that the Falcons allow him to enter free agency, considering their limited cap space, a numerous amount of their own players entering free agency, and their own likely interests in other free agents.
Also, word is that the Falcons have been in talks with Channing Crowder, MLB formerly of the Dolphins, so perhaps they might sign Crowder at a cheaper price and let Lofton walk?
by ChaoticEagle on Feb 13, 2012 1:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Give me Tulloch AND Kuechley
and im happy..
andy could draft 10 DEs and OTs after that and i wouldnt care…
It doesn’t make sense to spend big money on a starter and then go and use a high draft pick on the same position. Keuchly and Tulloch both have the potential to be our starting MLB for the next 3-4 years, minimum. That means that one starting caliber player is being wasted on the bench during that time. If the Eagles go out and sign a guy like Lofton, Tulloch, or Hawthorne, they’re not going to use a high pick on a MLB. At most, they’d use go for an OLB like Zach Brown, or a mid round MLB like Audie Cole. The only way we get a top MLB in FA and the draft is if we sign an old guy like Fletcher or EJ Henderson for a year or two and draft a mild project like Burfict or Hightower.
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Kuechly & Burfict
I would say Luke Kuechly at best is very similar to Stewart Bradley.
And I would say Vontaze Burfict is very similar to Jeremiah Trotter.
Both have pros and cons.
Kuechly’s advantage is his ability to stop the run and with the Washburn’s scheme he fits in pretty well.
Kuechly’s disadvantage is his speed. We already have LB’s faster than him and even though speed is not everything it is important.
Burfict’s advantage is his that he is a big aggressive physical player. If blitzing this guy is a nightmare to any O-line. The is the equavalent to drafting a guy that has potential to be the next Ray Lewis. With proper coaching this LBer can put fear in the heart of any O#.
Vontaze’s disadvantage is that he lacks self control. This guy’s likeb the Ndamukong Suh of LBers and even though that might sound cool, those penaltys would kill us.
If the Eagles are smart either one should be fine. And we have no need to trade up or down. If Kuechly is gone before pick 15, then we should take Burflict. And if Burflict is gone than take Kuechly.
If anything Juan played LB so he should atleast be able to teach that possition with a full offseason.
I don’t like our FA options and I would’nt waste my time or money with Lofton or Tulloch.
I have confidence with either of these draft options along with Rolle and Clayton.
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Vontaze’s problem is that he’s an out of shape oaf who doesn’t have the discipline or instincts to play at a high level in the pros. He’s gonna be a bigger Ernie Sims, IMO. He’ll love to run around looking for people to hit, but he won’t be an effective player unless he gets a helluva a lot smarter.
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by birds'n'raiders on Feb 13, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
My thoughts are there is no way in hell that I will “feel comfortable” with either of those rookies, surrounded by a second year man and a third year converted safety.
I want Keulchy. but I would be pleased if he didn’t have to start out the gate. So, to me, a stop gap like Fletcher makes the most sense. We get a player with a wealth of experience to pass on knowledge to our new prized rookie. We get a player that is still performing at a very high level. We get a player who has been extremely durable. And we get one that has played and excelled in multiple schemes.
Let Keulchy sit and learn as much as possible, then turn the keys over to him when the time is right.
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only way I would be okay with signing a FA LB and drafting a LB high. Fletcher and Kuechly. I saw Fletcher and Burfict talked about together earlier, but I just really don’t know about Burfict. Fletcher and Kuechly would be perfect though.
by shadyeagle25 on Feb 13, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Btw if we don't draft a LBer in the 1st round
Then we better draft Devon Still because Patterson’s football career is most likely coming to an end. And with the scheme washburn runs we need our 4 man rush on beast mode. And in that case Devon Still is our guy.
Coming to an end? He played through his condition and just had surgery to remove the issue, so there should be no reason his career is over.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 13, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
And Lurie if your out there.......
Devon Still & Vontaze Burfict Please!!!!!!!!!!!!
Those are both really risky prospects.
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they would be 2 awful picks so it’s very likely the eagles would do that
by Randy Marsh on Feb 14, 2012 12:54 AM EST up reply actions
we need the resign Vince young
And give desean a 4 80mil dollar contract and start Casey Matthews at MLB and what else…o yeah we need to get back dimtri Patterson, ronnie brown, Todd pinkston, showtime Freddie , Lj smith, and make Jim washburn our offensive coordinator DREAM TEAM!!! “I hate Vince young so much”
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O yeah we need to draft a O linemen in the first round
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by Bmoney556 on Feb 14, 2012 1:17 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Fletcher as a mentor.
The move is to sign London and draft the most physically talented kid out there, which seems to be Burflict from ASU. Let him learn under a consummate pro like Fletcher for a year or so. Meanwhile we get the veteran this locker room so desparately needs
by willbattle on Feb 14, 2012 5:55 PM EST via Android app reply actions
free agent LB
Why is no one metioning Larry Grant from SF he is PATRICK WILLIS’S back up and destroyed the steelers on monday night. He is a restricted free agent but hes a 7th round pick and making 600,000! He is 6’1" 255 and fast!
Honestly if we're going after a guy who cannot cover
then I’d rather go with Lofton.
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