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The Eagles are going to franchise DeSean Jackson, count on it.

They will not let their Pro Bowl receiver - whose contract is set to expire - walk without getting something in return, according to NFL sources.

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So that means the Eagles will do one of three things before March 5:

1) They will franchise Jackson and keep him for the 2012 season.

2) They will franchise and then trade him.

3) Or they will agree to a contract extension with the 25-year-old, an unlikely proposition at this point.

by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 12, 2012 8:17 PM EST reply actions  

so pretty much everything we thought...

I still think any of these moves outside of number 3 could cause problems this offseason. I think they either franchise him with intent to sign him to a deal later like Vick or they franchise to trade him. Not just the tag for the year…

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by NJEagle on Feb 12, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Franchise to trade

Don’t bet that on. That’s incredibly rare in the league and pretty much will only happen for a QB. There’s next to no chance he gets franchised and then traded.

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by JasonB on Feb 12, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, this isn’t the NBA, where tag-and-trades are more common. But at the same time, I don’t see him getting extended.

by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 12, 2012 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Well can’t they do a trade if the player redoes a new deal with the new team?

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by Bleediots on Feb 12, 2012 9:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I’m not saying tag-and-trades are impossible, but I am saying they are a lot less common in the NFL.

by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 12, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

But they can’t trade him unless he signs the tag and then the new team would be on the hook for almost $10 mil next year.

They can, but they don’t.

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by JasonB on Feb 12, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

They cant trade him but I thought that the team holding the franchise tag could negotiate with a team interested in their player and decide on a compensation lower than the standard two first round picks. Did I just make this up or did this change with the new CBA??

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by dt3 on Feb 13, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

meaning… Philly could franchise Desean, New England could negotiate/agree on whatever contract they like, New England then negotiates to only give up a 2nd round pick instead of the 2x firsts.

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by dt3 on Feb 13, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually, as part of the new NBA CBA I think they pretty much relegated Sign and Trades to a thing of the past.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Feb 12, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, wasn’t aware of that. But you still get my point.

by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 12, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh absolutely. And I agree with you completely.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Feb 13, 2012 7:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I personally doubt they’d franchise him and then extend him to a long term deal. Eagles don’t have a history of doing that. Who was the last Eagle to reach the end of his rookie deal and then be resigned to a big deal? I think they’ll be too stubborn to overpay.

by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 12, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I hear what both of you are saying but I think it's kind of a waste pay a dude 9 mill

for one year. I would either let him walk or try to work a deal. How much is he really worth to another team anyway, esp with the market this offseason? He’s the third best on the market at best. I’d rather dedicate 6 mill to Curtis Lofton and another 3 to a rotational DE.

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Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
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by NJEagle on Feb 12, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t disagree with you. I’d rather let DeSean walk too. I don’t think they’ll be able to get him at a good price because (and I’m obviously speculating here) I think his demands are too high, and Rosenhaus as his agent doesn’t help either.

by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 12, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

But also I don't want to spend a first on a WR again...

2nd round is fine but that is a huge drop off. If you’re going to let Desean go, I want Colston or Bowe. The only guys I’d take 15 are Blackmon and maybe, maybe Floyd. Trade back in the late 20s for Sanu or Wright and I’m fine with it I guess. But I think DT (MP’s brain, CJ’s age, AD’s injury) needs help and we could always add a LB in free agency but that position looms.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
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Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 12, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I think there are plenty of reasonable FA / draft options at WR.

by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 12, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Uh Huh...

And where in PRINT are his demands? Everyone says he wants big money,but nobody can show me where he stated such. I know he briefly held out, but tht tells me he just wants an extension. Not a huge contract like everyone is speculating.

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by Dunta Is A PUNK on Feb 13, 2012 2:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

and there it is.

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by ProtoTyler on Feb 13, 2012 7:47 AM EST up reply actions  

yea, but did you read the full quote? He does not want it based on been a WR, but been a playmaker on the field.
Basicly when comparing Jackson to the rest of the top WRs in the NFL, how many of them plays PR? I know Jackson didnt have the best year as a PR this year, but the year before, he was a very effective punt returner.

by Anders Jensen on Feb 13, 2012 8:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Wait. So the fact that DeSean Jackson has been a good returner (at times) makes it okay for him to ask for top 5 money despite the fact that he isn’t a top 30 WR and probably the 9th best WR in the division (Nicks, Cruz, Manningham, Moss, Maclin, Avant, Bryant, Robinson)? Sorry but return-men are a dime a dozen. Grab TY Hilton, Joe Adams, Chris Rainey or another of the other return man prospects in the draft.

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by d-jackfan10 on Feb 13, 2012 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah even adding his PR abilities, he’s still not producing at a point where he’s worth what Fitzgerald is.

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by JasonB on Feb 13, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I dont think he is worth Fitzgerald money, because Fitzgerald is the best WR in the NFL right now, but people need to stop the top 5 WR thing, he never said he was a top 5 WR, he just thats the kinda of money he wants

by Anders Jensen on Feb 13, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

He wants the same compensation as a top 5 WR. Hence, he thinks he has the same value as a top 5 WR. If he thinks he’s close enough to being a top 5 WR that his meager punt returning this year has elevated him to that level of value, especially on a team where he’s maybe the 4th or 5th most important player on this offense (not counting linemen), he is totally fucking delusional.

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by Avant-Garde on Feb 13, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I dont think he is worth Fitzgerald money, but do you really think Manningham, Avant, Bryant, Moss and Robinson is better then Jackson?

by Anders Jensen on Feb 13, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I meant to type Austin. And yes, at this point I do think Mario Manningham, Miles Austin, Santana Moss and Laurent Robinson are better than DeSean.

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by d-jackfan10 on Feb 13, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

lmao

you are crazy if you really think any of these guys are better than Desean. Change your name dude b/c you are more like a d-jackhater

by keem531 on Feb 13, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

and even if we didn’t have these quotes we know he’s over reaching because he hasn’t been signed to a new deal! The Eagles are not slow to extend guys who prove they can play, he’s obviously asking far more than he’s worth.

by eagle_alan64 on Feb 13, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Never been their MO

To let an asset go for nothing.

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by JasonB on Feb 12, 2012 8:53 PM EST reply actions  

Right. But they also are really stubborn when it comes to over-paying.

by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 12, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

As well they should be.

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by DSmith215 on Feb 12, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Who says they would need to “overpay?”

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by JasonB on Feb 12, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Drew Rosenhaus can’t change the fact that the market is what it is.

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by JasonB on Feb 12, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

You think facts matter to someone like Drew Rosenhaus?

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by Avant-Garde on Feb 12, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, the reality of the market matters to him. Maybe he can get someone to give Jackson Fitzgerald money, but I doubt it.

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by JasonB on Feb 13, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Drew gets kill because of a few incidents (namely TO) but I think the overwhelming majority of the league likes him and enjoys working with him.

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by dt3 on Feb 13, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

The players do. I don’t think management does. In interviews I’ve seen, he comes across as a very abrasive, hardheaded guy who’ll do whatever it takes to make some extra money for his clients (and himself in the process). Of course no one in NFL front offices will come out and tell you they hate the scumbag, because they have to work with him, but I can bet you there won’t be a lot of them at his funeral.

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by Avant-Garde on Feb 13, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

WHERE EXACTLY WAS THAT SAID? OR PRINTED?? Oh wait,it hasnt been.

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by Dunta Is A PUNK on Feb 13, 2012 2:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

All I’m saying is that it seems unlikely to me that they’ll extend him long term.

by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 12, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I am just getting kind of irritated that the Eagles haven't begun the process

I see dudes like Lavelle Hawkins (Desean’s college teammate) getting deals and like we can’t even start resigning a guy like King Dunlap by now? Come on. Lesean should have gotten an extension at midseason, I think you’d be hard pressed to find someone who disagrees on here.

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by NJEagle on Feb 12, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t you think the DeSean situation complicates any kind of McCoy deal though?

by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 12, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

yes, which is why I want him to walk

I think he’s worth a third at best after last year and his demands…and I like avoiding that round when Andy does the picking.

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by NJEagle on Feb 12, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

so basically they would be buying a 3rd round pick for what 10M? What is his franchise tag value? Sounds like a bad deal to me.

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Feb 12, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

i just think he isn't worth 10 million any year

but definitely not after last.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
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Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 12, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

yeh, I know…but he may want 10M to be franchised….he doesnt have to sign it…..he can just hit the market and hope for the best a la Akers…

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Feb 12, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

No.
DeSean doesn’t get to choose the dollar amount if he’s franchised.
If they use an exclusive tag, he cannot sign with another team.
Akers wasn’t franchised. They used a transitional tag on him.

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by KByars on Feb 12, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

ahhhh…..gotcha….I forgot about the transition… thanks…

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Feb 12, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I read somewhere that the tag for WRs is 9.4M……eeeshhh….

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Feb 12, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

haven't what?

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 12, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

i am just saying i feel like they need to be getting stuff done.

give king dunlap 1.2 million a year and he’ll take it lol.

I don’t know to answer your question.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
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Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
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by NJEagle on Feb 12, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

This means that they will more than likely still need to get a WR...my suggestion:

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by immynimmy on Feb 12, 2012 9:21 PM EST reply actions  

Doesn’t this mean the opposite?

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by JasonB on Feb 12, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Well if they franchise him, that doesn’t mean that he;s necessarily in any long term plans.

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by immynimmy on Feb 13, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

What the hell is the defender doing, tryin to throw up the Roc?

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by Djax10 on Feb 12, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Sanu is a beast and my favorite of the crop

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 12, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Want

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 13, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

(sheds tear)

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 12, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I swear I was just waiting for the flags and the refs to announce the game was going into over-time. There was simply no way that had just happened.

If only he had done more of this last year instead of running backwards it would be easier to justify his demands.

by Eric Gaskill on Feb 12, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing. Seemingly every big return gets called back by penalty… for Desean to take the punt to the house as time expired and cap off an already epic comeback with the most thrilling ending possible was just too good to be true. Even when Buck said “no flags” I still stared at the screen for like 30 seconds before accepting that the game really was over.

Legendary.

by MikeCampy on Feb 12, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought we were going win the Super Bowl

That team had “it.” And I’m a sucker, clearly. Even after the crappy Vikings game and the awful first half against the Pack, I started feeling the vibe again … right up until the Riley Cooper pick.

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by D3Keith on Feb 13, 2012 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I had the same feeling. 2010 was our year to win it and it sucks we didn’t. If we won the superbowl that year, nobody would ever forget that eagles season. Truly amazing… Until we lost in the wildcard round.

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by FlyEagles15 on Feb 13, 2012 12:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

the Vikings game still eats me alive not just because it derailed our season but because I was out of my mind psyched to see an Eagles game in snow. I’ve always wanted to see a game like that… coming off the greatest win in franchise history, the state was set for an unforgettable blizzard bowl. I was devastated when they postponed the game. I believe the players were also psyched to play in the snow and they would not have come out flat if they held the game when it was meant to be held.

Now it looks like we’ll never get to see a snow game in Philly… the precedent has been set. When the forecast looks messy, just move the game to Tuesday. We’ll never see the Eagles play in the snow unless it’s a road game somewhere like Buffalo.

by MikeCampy on Feb 13, 2012 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

*stage was set

And I cringe every time I see highlights of legendary snow games like the Tuck rule game… shows what we missed out on.

by MikeCampy on Feb 13, 2012 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I really think that Tuesday night game and screwed up the entire season

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by ProtoTyler on Feb 13, 2012 7:50 AM EST up reply actions  

There probably should have been a flag on Omar Gaither. He blocked a guy in the back and took out two other guys in the process.

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by JasonB on Feb 13, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

In reality, there is always a flag on a PR, its just a matter of the refs if they wanna call the iffy ones. Its the same in a normal play, a ref could call offensive holding on 9 out 10 plays.

by Anders Jensen on Feb 13, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

There's always a flag

Because there’s always a block in the back or below the waist. Often it’s the block that springs the returner too.

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by D3Keith on Feb 13, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

sigh...

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by jXn on Feb 12, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I wish I could say I saw that live. They were televising some other game at the time, and switched to this one when it ended. For some reason, they couldn’t stay with it all the way to the end, so they left with a minute or two to go. My dad and I went upstairs to follow it through the nfl.com gamecenter. There was a really long delay putting up that punt return, and the description was so convoluted I could hardly tell what happened. I stared at it for about 10 seconds processing what happened, before I realized Desean had taken it to the house. My dad still hadn’t figured it out, so I explained it, and then we both went crazy. Hard to believe just over a year later I’m prepared to watch him walk. Such is the inconsistency of Desean Jackson.

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by Avant-Garde on Feb 12, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Very true

Good story too, btw

I was at work with a couple of higher-ranking Giants fans, and when the 1 p.m. games end it gets busy, so I went to grab some food when it was 31-10 and DeSean fumbled at midfield. When I got back, Celek had scored and they had the ball again. Then I crazily watched the rest of the comeback, and when DeSean scored, inside I was going nuts … on the outside, I just have the Fresh Prince shoulder shrug, almost apologetic as the boss (Giants fan) glared at me on his way out the door.

Good times.

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by D3Keith on Feb 13, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I can live with this

I’m not sure we should believe anything until it happens, and I’m also not sure losing DeSean would sink this team.

But promising the man $9.5 million would do a couple things: 1) Make good on the Eagles’ strategy to mostly keep the core of this team together and not have another season of unnecessary change, 2) make up for the perception, in DeSean’s mind that he’s underappreciated, and lay the groundwork for a new (hopefully short) deal.

Or maybe they’re just greasing the skids to get something for him.

All I know is I used to swear by this guy. Now I feel like we can succeed with or without him.

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by D3Keith on Feb 12, 2012 10:04 PM EST reply actions  

see thats the other side of this

I think he deserves a bandaid with make up money for the last 3 years but I think 9.5 is pretty steep and will cause us to drop dudes who are productive and I think it will be a shadow over the team again next season. Maybe he’ll play well if he’s paid and has another pay day coming but I want that hurting Shady’s future.

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by NJEagle on Feb 12, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

1) also gets close to the matter of AR being all in this year. The pressure is on, will he want to take a chance on an unknown or unfamiliar commodity.

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by KByars on Feb 12, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s a good point. Jackson knows the offense. You don’t know how long it would take these other WRs to catch on. Plus a happy DeSean would be good for team chemistry. Then you run into the fact that actually giving him a long term deal (providing its reasonable) would help with the other young players like Maclin and McCoy who could be seeing their own futures played out in the young star drafted a year ahead of them.

by Eric Gaskill on Feb 12, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

but if hes not producing, how can we justify the money and the starting spot? 6 TDs for “your best WR” is not something to base your game plan around. A big reason for their stuggles in the RZ is because of his size and lack of strenght….and they really dont have that option in the lineup….

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Feb 12, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah they still need to address the red zone production

even if DeSean is back.

Maybe we can use our $1 million Ronnie Brown exception to get Plaxico. If he keeps saying he wants to be here so bad, here’s an offer bruh. Because Plax ain’t exactly an 80-catch WR, but I believe he had 11 TDs with the Jets.

Is it cliche for me to suggest they sub him in for DeSean when inside the 20? If not all the time, at least occasionally.

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by D3Keith on Feb 12, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

If he really wants to play here that bad and we can get him for close to nothing, then why not? and I think teams know by now that Djax makes lil impact inside the 20 so having Plax out there would throw them off and Plax can do some damage in the RZ

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by jXn on Feb 12, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeh, for sure. Plax would help in the short term. But if they did that they would still need to address it in the long term through the draft. Tough call. I think the extension signing of Maclin, McCoy, DRC and others will really affect eveything.

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Feb 12, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

it's basically the timing of things

we need to give extentions to most of our key guys all while Desean’s dilemma looms overhead

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by jXn on Feb 12, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s not an awful idea. Even if we draft a big target who is kind of slow, but has ups and hands to be WR5, that would be good enough. We don’t need an every down receiver, but we do need someone who can come down with the ball in a short field.

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by KByars on Feb 12, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

Offenses and defenses sub in guys for certain packages all the time. Seems to make sense that we go big near the end zone. Even if it just creates enough concern to have McCoy or Vick scoot to the corner or have Celek get open for a 1-yard TD in the middle of the end zone … works for me.

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by D3Keith on Feb 13, 2012 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Then you run into the fact that actually giving him a long term deal (providing its reasonable) would help with the other young players like Maclin and McCoy who could be seeing their own futures played out in the young star drafted a year ahead of them.

But at the same time, aren’t you sending the message that you can play with minimal effort and production without any accountability? That you don’t have to give it your all to get the money you want?

Not to mention, you’re setting a precedent in terms of our players’ contract demands. They can point to Desean’s shitty numbers and lack of effort this year and say “If he got X dollars for Y years for that kind of play, I should be getting X+ dollars for Y+ years.” Can you imagine what we’d have to give Maclin if we give in to Desean’s demands? To have two receivers on those kind of deals would be crippling.

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by Avant-Garde on Feb 13, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah that's more what I meant by my No. 1

We can just sub yours in for mine.

On one hand, 9.5 for a year is overpaying. And they’re not obligated to overpay just because they got good value for their $455,000 or $695,000 or whatever it was the past few years. But if they can afford it without significantly weakening the team elsewhere (and I’m thinking they can, especially after they jettison Asante, let VY walk, etc.), now might be an okay time to overpay given that having him back in the fold and at the top of his game certainly helps.

I’m of the opinion that Vick and the defense hold the cards in terms of how far we go, but it can’t hurt to have DeSean. Especially on punt returns. Assuming — and this is a major assumption — that franchise tag = DeSean playing at his highest level for 19 games, then none of us will look back and give two craps how much he made this year.

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by D3Keith on Feb 12, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Let him walk.

Sign a LB. Draft a WR.

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Sign AND draft both at LB AND WR

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Feb 12, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just talking about the 1st round.

We should definately draft a LB no matter what.

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by Clint Eastwood on Feb 12, 2012 10:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Like Mathews? Or Bradley? SMH

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by Dunta Is A PUNK on Feb 13, 2012 3:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

So, because they’ve missed twice they should never draft a LB again? Is that what you’re trying to say? …smh

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by Avant-Garde on Feb 13, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Strangely, before I saw this thread, I replied to this tweet of his
@DeseanJackson10
Salute Boi >>RT @Austin_Dotson10: I hate reporters they actin like @DeseanJackson10 had a bad season… My nigga still had 961 yards. Chill!
@D3Keith
@DeseanJackson10 @Austin_Dotson10 It’s not a “bad” season it’s just that anyone who truly watches his game knows he’s capable of more.

You feel like that fairly represents what many of us feel?

I feel like after last season we felt like he was indispensable, and after this season, not so much.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 12, 2012 10:09 PM EST reply actions  

Im not sure that he is “capable of more” anymore…..

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Feb 12, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he's capable of more

but put in a lowsy effort that he even acknowledged.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 12, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeh, effort wise…for sure. But…. he still doesnt have size…he still doesnt have strenght…and he still wont traffic up the middle or be a threath in the RZ…..

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Feb 12, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Effort yes

Also I think he lays out for balls at times, and while that’s not going over the middle, it is something that separates those who want to be great from those who are going through the motions.

Whatever we could do to get him to play his best game over and over again, I’d be willing to try. As they say, it’s not my money (well, a small fraction of it comes from me, but …)

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 12, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I think too many people think we absolutely NEED DeSean back on this team. Those people will say that he “stretches the field, etc.”. While I’m sure there’s some truth to that… you don’t pay a guy the kind of money he wants just to be a decoy.

I’m almost starting to believe having DeSean back hurts out offense in some ways. He seems useless in the RZ, he doesn’t make tough catches over the middle, he’s developed alligator arms, and he’s shown bad judgment in returning last year. I’m not sure the guys out there are better than DeSean since I haven’t watched all of them extensively, but I’m willing to bet there’s someone out there that could help this offense more than DeSean returning could.

And just for fun…

2011 regular season:

DeSean Jackson – 58 recs 961 yards 4 TD
Jabar friggin Gaffney – 68 recs 947 yards 5 TD

by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 12, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

but I’m willing to bet there’s someone out there that could help this offense more than DeSean returning could

Especially in a Vick ran offense……

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Feb 12, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry i shoulda added…Marty/Reid/Vick ran offense

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Feb 12, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

There's too many weapons

in this offense to be hamstrung by one guy. It is a team; but at the same time he adds a great dimension to the team.

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by sb2bowl on Feb 12, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

we already have plenty of speed and quickness…..we need size, strenght and consistent hands

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Feb 12, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

There aren’t many people as fast as him in the league. We have speed, but not that much.

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by sb2bowl on Feb 12, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

yeh but eveyone has seen all his plays…and the tape is out on how to deal with him in this offense…..he may slip one by here and there….but what about the other 10 games per year where he is basically non-existent?

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Feb 12, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't disagree with you.

He is a deep threat- and a reverse threat. They know what he can do- how much do you pay a decoy?

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by sb2bowl on Feb 12, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

that is ultimately it….

We all love his speed and big plays (even if they are decreasing)….but….his abilities are limited….

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Feb 12, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

That's why

he isn’t a truly Number 1 wide receiver. Thus, he isn’t worth top 5 wide receiver money.

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by sb2bowl on Feb 12, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Number 1 wide receiver = made up term

Especially in this case, as he’s atypical to L-Fitz, Megatron and Andre Johnson, et al.

Let’s assume for a second that Fitzgerald money was a pie in the sky negotiating starting point.

Would you want him for Santonio Holmes money? Incentive-laden contract? (unlikely IMO). What about a shorter deal with a high average salary (probably what I’d prefer)?

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 12, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I was using the term for relevance-

Especially in our offense; of course someone has to be “number 1” but the distribution works well for our team. We won’t have a guy that catches 110 balls, but we have a group that are over 50-60 catches a year. In that way, it makes it harder to defend the skill positions.

But- how much is too much. I’m of the opinion that Santonio Holmes money is too much- I wouldn’t go above 6.5 million a year. That would be my line. Give him 3 years, for 23 million. 7 Million up front, guaranteed.

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by sb2bowl on Feb 13, 2012 8:00 AM EST up reply actions  

In salary cap terms, isn’t that a cap hit of 7.66M per year?

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by Avant-Garde on Feb 13, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you PE

We’re “Miracle in the Meadowlands 2” blinded lol. We don’t need him, we want him.

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by NJEagle on Feb 12, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Over at IgglesBlitz

In like the one post ever where Morton has very thoroughly made a convincing case (here, starting three posts down), this was discussed. Very intelligently.

It might actually be a good thing to not have DeSean and to give more touches to some of our other players. In that case, we’d be asking for trouble with injuries, we’d need at least one WR and a RS from FA and the draft, and we’d have some upheaval/adjustment period on offense.

So while it probably makes sense, I could also see why we wouldn’t want to take a chance drafting or free-agenting when we can just keep the known commodity we have and try to get the best out of him.

But I would also be happy the other way, the more you really examine it. I don’t think Jabar Gaffney compares to DeSean even if their numbers do, but there are a lot of guys who could do something special in our offense (i.e. Pierre Garcon, Stevie Johnson, etc.) even if they aren’t quite the talents DeSean is.

Will be interesting. Read up on that thread if you haven’t already.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 12, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I want to agree (and he actually brings up some good points) but I think that if this offense loses a deep-threat type, it takes away from one of Vick’s biggest advantages: his strong arm. Maclin does have the skill to be used as a deep threat, but he’s not that kind of player. And there aren’t any other vertical guys the Eagles have currently.

I’ve always thought having big-armed QBs with the threats to match was partly a key to Marty’s and Andy’s franchise-record offenses. Take away DeSean (or a DeSean-type), and you have a WCO-style offense that Vick may or may not fit well (and one where, say, Kolb would have thrived).

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by alcatraz0109 on Feb 13, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair points, both of them

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 13, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I expect my receivers to- you know- receive.

Not drop it.

Yards are yards. My issue is the wasted downs throwing to a receiver who simply just drops things. Those were miss opportunities to get points, or at the very least, sustain a drive.

I’m okay with franchising him and giving him another chance to return to 2010 form. But to sign him to a large amount of guarenteed money when he’s an ACL from losing his only ability- no thanks.

He’ll be out of the league in 3 years.

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by corn on the kolb on Feb 12, 2012 11:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That's awfully pessimistic

Dude doesn’t have Avant hands, but his dropsies aren’t that terrible either. A much more major issue IMO, is the fact that good teams can completely take him out of games. The Red-Zone production is right up there too.

I’m with you, I don’t see him playing at his top level for eight more years or anything, but out of football? Wow. And I don’t think you can let fear of an unpredictable injury like an ACL tear hamstring you. Shady could tear one too … you get a good backup or sign short deals but you can’t predict ACL tears.

Ultimately though, that’s why a franchise tag makes sense. We can let him walk next year, but we get one more year of the DeSean show.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 12, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

for 8 million, those dropsies are terrible- and I don’t see evidence that its something he can improve on if he’s paid.

But let’s talk about the injury risk- DeSean vs Shady.

Shady has already shown to be extremely durable. He’s shown ability to take a hit, but that’s part of his job description. For a running back, injury is to be expected. You plan to replace production from a hurt HB. You just hope to find a spot starter for a WR and hope others elevate.

Jackson is literally a step away from losing a step. If Shady loses a step, he’s still useful. He’d be an excellent 3rd down back and would have the frame to add some bulk and still have some use.

Jackson loses a step and its game over. Who wants a wide out who drops passes, can’t go over the middle, is shorter that anyone covering him, and is useless in the redzone.

And this isn’t even talking about his concussions. I know if I was getting rocked like that, i’d allagator arms my way into a new contract, too.

Not interested in paying him. Show me a 2012 on the franchise tag, showing me you’re worthy of a contract. That’s what the tag is for.

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by corn on the kolb on Feb 13, 2012 12:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

If AR and Juan get another chance, it doesn’t seem nearly as farfetched for DeSean to get one.

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by KByars on Feb 12, 2012 10:16 PM EST reply actions  

When you phrase it like that ...

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 12, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

it would seem less likely for the kind of money that DeSean wants

Shady is the man.

by ProtoTyler on Feb 13, 2012 7:57 AM EST up reply actions  

How do you not....

Bring him back? But, why would he want 10mil a year? He’s an idiot. He really isn’t worth more than 5 a year,…….. throw in the fact of a huge FA class, plus 3+ 1st rounders, its a bad year to press for a contact. If I were him, I’d shoot for a 3 year deal, and go from there.

PLUS—- McCoy, Maclin, DRC….. all need to be resigned. Bad timing Jackson, get over it.

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by sb2bowl on Feb 12, 2012 10:42 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t think he wants 10 mil per year, but that’s what the franchise tag is

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by Djax10 on Feb 12, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

He's definitely worth more than 5 mil a year

The Eagles are aiming for the 6-7 mil range. Rosenhaus and DeSean want at least 8.5, probably. Eagles aren’t gonna buy into that.

by postman856 on Feb 12, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

if DeSean only wanted 8 or 8.5 the deal would be done. they aren’t gonna franchise him at 9.5 if he wants less than that.

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by ProtoTyler on Feb 13, 2012 7:59 AM EST up reply actions  

8-8.5 is still too much for a receiver whose only assets are speed and elusiveness. Especially on a team with another fast, elusive receiver (Maclin’s combine 40 time was just 0.1 seconds slower than Jackson’s, and his personal best is actually 0.04 seconds faster). Maclin has all the necessary tools to take over Jackson’s role as the deep threat.

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by Avant-Garde on Feb 13, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

He's worth more than 5 definitely

I see him as 7-7.5 range and if you really want to push it then 8

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by jXn on Feb 12, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

just for fun- from espn.com

The Arizona Cardinals signed Larry Fitzgerald to an eight-year deal that could pay the star receiver as much as $120 million, making it one of the richest deals in the NFL.

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by sb2bowl on Feb 12, 2012 10:49 PM EST reply actions  

reply fail

If he’s looking for that much money, he’s foolish. He’s not the face of our franchise, and he’s not a top 5 receiver in the nfl

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by sb2bowl on Feb 12, 2012 10:50 PM EST reply actions  

He IS foolish

I think that’s established.

But it’s also the first rule of negotiations. Ask for more than you’ll settle for.

Or as J-Zone says, if you need to borrow $3, ask for $10.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 12, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

I think he’s trying to bargain for as much as possible for as long as possible before he puts all his cards on the table.

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by jXn on Feb 12, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

But it’s also the first rule of negotiations. Ask for more than you’ll settle for.

While that is true, part of me just gets the feeling that DeSean really thinks he is worth that kind of money… and won’t settle for much less. Just a feeling though, maybe I’m wrong.

by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 12, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

That's the problem

He gets franchised- he will gladly play for 9mil. Would you take a chance and play for one year and work out a contract next year?

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by sb2bowl on Feb 12, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think he's going to sign the franchise tender sheet right away

He can wait until the season starts or until the Eagles revoke it. The team likely wants a resolution before the draft.

Anyway, the franchise tag is just as likely to be a shit show into September as it is to be a neat and tidy end to the saga until next offseason.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 12, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel like what makes Eagles fans so great is that we contect with our players perhaps more than any team

We are real with them and those players who appreciate it, we love them. So Desean is tough to say goodbye to because of memories he created but honestly he isn’t worth 10 million dollars on his best day. Time to let go.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
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by NJEagle on Feb 12, 2012 10:52 PM EST reply actions  

connect*

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 12, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

who’s gonna pay him and who’s gonna give us a high pick for him, that’s the question. I want him here.. with him we’re alot better team even if he doesn’t make a catch

by Randy Marsh on Feb 12, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I used to be on that bandwagon

and I’d still rather have him than not. But I’m not so sure our offense couldn’t be just as functional if we dialed it back and without him.

We would lose the dynamic threat, and the attention he draws in coverage, but maybe we become a ball control offense that utilizes the tight ends more. Reid offenses have certainly moved the ball with less offensive talent than they have now.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 13, 2012 12:40 AM EST up reply actions  

But the Eagles’ have put up points by the truckload the last few years and Jackson definitely had a part in that.

Eagles’ could be successful with dying it back a bit but they won’t score as many points nor have the big plays.

One thing I was kind of curious this season to see is how Vick increasingly came to rely on Celek in the 2nd part of the season. Vick has shown he likes going to TEs and Crumpler used to be his go-to guy for a few years in Atlanta. I was surprised though the Eagles didn’t run more 2-TE set keeping Celek in a bit more as a blocker and trying to get Harbour to catch more passes.

by MG77 on Feb 13, 2012 12:49 AM EST up reply actions  

right but if you replace him with lets say a guy like Mike Wallace...is there a difference?

probably. But that guy can play, there’s potential Wallaces out there.

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by NJEagle on Feb 13, 2012 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

They gain yards by the truckload

If they were better in the red zone, they would put up points by the truckload.

Very significant distinction, and relevant to the DJax discussion.

Here are their points under Reid, per pro-football-reference.com:
2011: Scored 396 points (24.8/g), 8th of 32 in the NFL.
2010: Scored 439 points (27.4/g), 3rd of 32 in the NFL.
2009: Scored 429 points (26.8/g), 5th of 32 in the NFL.
2008: Scored 416 points (26.0/g), 6th of 32 in the NFL.
2007: Scored 336 points (21.0/g), 17th of 32 in the NFL.
2006: Scored 398 points (24.9/g), 6th of 32 in the NFL.
2005: Scored 310 points (19.4/g), 18th of 32 in the NFL.
2004: Scored 386 points (24.1/g), 8th of 32 in the NFL.
2003: Scored 374 points (23.4/g), 11th of 32 in the NFL.
2002: Scored 415 points (25.9/g), 4th of 32 in the NFL.
2001: Scored 343 points (21.4/g), 9th of 31 in the NFL.
2000: Scored 351 points (21.9/g), 12th of 31 in the NFL.
1999: Scored 272 points (17.0/g), 25th of 31 in the NFL.

You can probably use those numbers to make a lot of points, but one of them is that the 2002 team with meh offensive weapons scored more points per game than we did this year with Vick, Jackson, Maclin, McCoy et al.

Could also make points about turnovers, defense, etc.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 13, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

To the ppl who say get rid of DeSean

just remember it takes time to learn Reids’ offense and more time to get on the same page with Vick and more time to get on the same page with Vick in game situations !! To think that the Eagles can bring in a FA and esp a rookie and make a serious run next year are pretty much dreaming. Just don’t see us signing a FA or bringing in a rookie and going far next yr… Resign DeSean and bring in Plax( Rz problem solved) !!!!

by mcnabb2010 on Feb 13, 2012 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

Absolutely

Don’t want him franchised and brought back for a single year at $9.5M. Worst thing for him and the Eagles. He’s suddenly going to play hard & not be concerned about getting hurt and his big payday?

by MG77 on Feb 13, 2012 12:03 AM EST reply actions  

He used to before the big

by Dunta Robinson… Would you risk getting hurt and destroying your chance at a big pay day ??? This was never an issue til this past yr in my opinion. I blame the Eagles more than DeSean..Dude they paid VY, Ronnie Brown and Steve Smith way more than DJax smdh enuff said !!!!

by mcnabb2010 on Feb 13, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Won’t we don’t know if if the Eagles made a firm offer to him and what the details were. I find it hard to believe that he didn’t get an offer from them already. It probably just wasn’t Top 10 WR money and/or had enough up front signing bonus money so he balked.

by MG77 on Feb 13, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Hard time rooting for Jackson

Have a feeling that the suspension that Jackson got last year was just the tip of the iceberg in terms of his lack of professionalism and effort on & off the field. Things had to be approaching an ‘out of control’ phase when he suspended Jackson for the Cards game. From some of the reports, Jackson was showing up late for almost every mandatory meeting at that point. He also had had a notable lack of concentration on the field (you could even question his effort in several games) both before and after the suspension. Pretty damning indictment.

He also had the issue the year before in the Bears’ game where he refused to return punts. That was the only issue that got coverage but i am a feeling Jackson pretty much acts like a petulant child when he doesn’t get his way. If he doesn’t want to do something, he pouts, doesn’t do what is expected of him, and acts out. Find that a pretty weak character trait.

Understand Jackson’ frustration about not getting paid and his concerns about getting injured & concussions. Those are legit concerns. Also understand that Jackson isn’t a bad guy or something who has done horrible things. His teammates & coaches genuinely seem to like him too. Just seems like he doesn’t have the greatest work ethic at times & when he doesn’t get his way he really acts out on & off the field. Guess why I find it hard to root for him at times.

by MG77 on Feb 13, 2012 12:14 AM EST reply actions  

OT

but Victor Cruz is presenting an award at the Grammys and did the salsa dance. Just when I thought it was over…

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by ILL Eagle on Feb 13, 2012 12:15 AM EST reply actions  

make matters worse

the award they gave was to my favorite band, the Foo Fighters.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Feb 13, 2012 12:53 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Jackson

Is necessary though to make this offense really work because one of Vick’s greatest assets is his ability to make plays downfield with his arm. He needs someone with wheels to go out and beat coverage though to make plays that are 20+ yards down the field. Bowe isn’t capable of doing that. Neither is Colston.

by MG77 on Feb 13, 2012 12:20 AM EST reply actions  

Neither is Colston? Did you watch the Saints play? And I read somewhere that Jackson had 6 dropped td passes. You can’t drop 3x as many as you catch on a team with serious redzone issues and still expect to “get paid”.

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by EaglesandRavensFan on Feb 13, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

On deep routes? Colston absolutely doesn’t have the ability to flat out beat the double team like Jackson routinely does. He is a much more complete WR than Jackson though especially on the intermediate routes.

I don’t watch the Saints nearly enough though to know if Colston is a great route-runner and physical WR or he is more a product of Bree’s uncanny accurate throws.

by MG77 on Feb 13, 2012 12:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Really, you don't think this offense could function with Bowe instead of Jackson?

I understand that’s not what you said, you said Bowe doesn’t do what Jackson does.

But if you don’t believe we couldn’t figure out a way to adjust the offense and still score points if we had Dwayne Bowe (who I admittedly jock a little too hard) instead of DeSean, you’re not being real.

Colston and Meacham I worry are more products of Brees, and the same argument can be made for Garcon and Manning, although I disagree there. Bowe has never really had a great QB, and has always made plays and put up numbers. I am certain Mornhinweg and Reid could find a way to make him work within our offense, even if we had to abandon the DeSean goes deep element of everything.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 13, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Not on the deep routes. Bowe simply doesn’t have nearly the speed or acceleration to take advantage of Vick’s arm. One guy I absolutely don’t want to see here. Nice player but he’s overrated at this point.

If they are going to sign a WR, V. Jackson would be a better fit for several reasons to replace DeSean’s role in this offense and a real upgrade they need at WR in the end zone. Issue is he is 29. Hate to see the Eagles invest large dollars in a guy turning 30 next year.

by MG77 on Feb 13, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree Vincent Jackson's game more mirrors DeSean's

But I’ll just agree to disagree on the idea that we couldn’t sign Bowe and still make the offense work. I don’t care if we take away the deep element if we add a guy who can catch in the red zone, and beat smaller corners on the sidelines and over the middle.

I don’t think being married to this exact offense is a good reason to resign DeSean. The idea of continuity I like, for 2012. The idea of DeSean being back, I can support. But when making long-term decisions, we’ve got to sign the player that gives us the most production for our money over the course of the deal.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 13, 2012 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

You are assuming though that Vick is going to be accurate enough though on those passes to the sidelines and especially over the middle. Vick’s a better QB than he was in Atlanta but he simply is never going to be a very accurate QB nor is he going to make his progressions quickly.

One of the reasons I am a fan of Jackson is that he plays to Vick’s best attributes a QB well (e.g., throwing the ball past the coverage). Vick knows that too.

I do agree with you though that the Eagles need to sign Jackson to a multi-year deal or let him go & pursue alternatives. Franchise tagging him just brings up many potential issues for both parties.

by MG77 on Feb 13, 2012 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

10 Mil we could get Bowe. I like DeSean is able to bring to the table. I’m not happy with what he brought to the table last year. I don’t think he’s worth the 10M. I think Fitz ruined the FT for WOs.

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by h2o_34_35_44 on Feb 13, 2012 12:41 AM EST reply actions  

typical FO shenanigans

No way DJax walks without compensation. And rightfully so. And we do need him for this upcoming season. But 10-12 mil? Kiss my ass. Gonna end up just like Bradshaw from the Giants. When Ahmad realized he wasn’t worth shit, he quickly took the Giants offer.

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by EagleDomiNation on Feb 13, 2012 1:57 AM EST reply actions  

Yay, we get to pay a one-dimensional, overrated, diva POS 9 million dollars! WOO!

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by d-jackfan10 on Feb 13, 2012 2:56 AM EST reply actions  

To everyone saying we need Jackson to run this offense

On any other team Maclin would be a deep threat/speedster he’s more than capable of stretching the field by himself.

I'm great like Gatsby.

by Clint Eastwood on Feb 13, 2012 6:46 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

ill wait until its official

before i chuck this in the faces of those who were calling me a “retard” for believeing the eagles would rather franchise him than let him walk. im looking at you hawaiian green!

Luke Kuechly is a NYG fan and lives with his mother phyllis. Vontaze Burfict enjoys eating glue, rock salt and lead paint chips. WE.ARE.FUCKED.

by fr33thinker on Feb 13, 2012 8:37 AM EST reply actions  

We don't need

the best player at every position.
We need every player playing his best at his position.Every down , every game , every practice , every workout .
I believe it’s called teamwork.
Teams win Superbowls.Even if they don’t have the best players in every position {cough*Giants*cough}

It's never easy being an Eagle fan........but I'll be damned if I ever stop !
Ok....forget Spags......Draft well for once in your life , PLEASE.

by JJeaglerooter on Feb 13, 2012 9:06 AM EST reply actions  

new plan. Franchise DeSean,sign Randy Moss for a year as the red zone target and hope for the best.

Shady is the man.

by ProtoTyler on Feb 13, 2012 10:24 AM EST reply actions  

I’m only half kidding

Shady is the man.

by ProtoTyler on Feb 13, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

If you franchise him at $9M

You are paying him retroactively about what he earned for the output over the past few seasons. And unfortunately, he’s in an offense that will probably get him hurt again in 2012, possibly seriously, and that’ll be the end of his career. Vick has hung receivers in positions to get hit hard ever since college.

by donniethelion on Feb 13, 2012 12:02 PM EST reply actions  

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