Trent Dilfer Ranks The NFL QBs
by JasonB on Feb 1, 2012 3:30 PM EST
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ESPN analyst and former Super Bowl winner Trent Dilfer released his ranking of the top 40 QBs in the NFL right now. He didn't really ranked them numerically, rather he grouped them into separate categories. Michael Vick fell into his third category, "mostly good." He described it this way.
This is the group currently hurt by the fact that 2010-2020 will almost surely give us the best quarterbacking the game has seen in terms of depth across the league. For instance, I went to a Pro Bowl in 1997. That year, Alex Smith very well may have been the fifth-best QB in the league. But the standards have gotten higher, the players better. This group has guys who have elite ability but aren't quite there yet based on age, health or recent issues.
Here's what he had to say about Vick.
Michael Vick (Eagles): It feels wrong to have Vick here, because the guy is an MVP-caliber player, but he's down a little right now as we wonder whether he can stay healthy. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if he was dominant in 2012.
Just for context, he's got guys like Cam Newton & Carson Palmer also in this category. Meanwhile, he has guys like Matt Ryan, Jay Cutler & Joe Flacco in the tier above...
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cutler, ryan, and flacco better than newton and vick? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…….
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by griffeagles on Feb 1, 2012 3:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Actually he sorta did do it numerically as well-
You are also welcome to read into the order in which guys are placed within each section — that’s not declarative, but it’s not an accident.
The part I found hilarious is Flacco over Jay Cutler, Matt Schaub and Matthew Stafford.
And that’s not even bringing up Flacco A TIER ABOVE MICHAEL VICK. Just hilarious.
Jay Effin Cutler...
…over Schaub and Stafford??? This man doesn’t puff-puff-pass…he puff-puff-puffs…
Why do people always think I'm playing the Race Card???
Is it because I'm black???
I would put Vick there
He sucked this season, he does not deserve to be in a higher category at all. To many turnovers, poor play.
by insaneeaglesfanatic on Feb 1, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly...
…people have no ability to see past their own team sometimes.
Why do people always think I'm playing the Race Card???
Is it because I'm black???
Are you saying
Mike vick had a good year? He deserves that category. He had way to many turnovers, and was injury prone. Being injury prone is a HUGE minus for anyone… especially someone who is supposed to be your star qb
by insaneeaglesfanatic on Feb 1, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
Point is...
…if he deserves to be in that category, then so do the others above him, minus Matt Ryan.
Flacco – 57% completions; 20TDs; 12 INTs
Cutler 58% Completions; 13TDs; 7 INTs (in 10 starts)
Vick 60% Completions; 18TDs; 14 INTs (in 13 starts)
Why do people always think I'm playing the Race Card???
Is it because I'm black???
Up next, Sean Considine ranks the safeties.
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by KByars on Feb 1, 2012 3:46 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Followed by Mike Mamula ranking the defensive linesmen.
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Then FredEx with an up-to-date look at the best hands in the NFL.
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by corn on the kolb on Feb 1, 2012 11:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Does not speak well for QB's in '97.
For instance, I went to a Pro Bowl in 1997. That year, Alex Smith very well may have been the fifth-best QB in the league.
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by ChaosOnion on Feb 1, 2012 3:57 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That was his point.
Why do people always think I'm playing the Race Card???
Is it because I'm black???
Lets be honest, Vick isn't an elite QB
I don’t care if you rate Vick above or below any of the mentioned above QB, that is your desire. But Vick until he can put together a few season like the one he had two years ago, he’s just an average QB, that can show great flashes at times.
He’s never been a great passing QB, and never really showed the patience to become a pocket passer. He’s the best running QB, but he also gets dinged up too often to be considered great. He has the wins, but his TD/INT ratio isn’t great and his completion % is average.
Win/lose is a team number if you ask me, but a lot of his individual numbers aren’t great, only average. So he is right up there with the Flacco, Cutler, etc. but he’s not really better then them, maybe flashier, but that doesn’t mean better.
There are plenty of gaps in Vick's Quarterbacking abilities that have become among Lineman: "How to use Vick to beat his own O-line"
Very often, the Eagles O-line protection breaks down or becomes a moving pocket (which is no pocket at all) to blindly block where they “think” Vick is standing or running.
And the reason why the eagles O-Line is forced into such bad situations is also infamous; even after all these years, Vick has never bothered to develop – or is incapable of developing – pocket awareness.
Without pocket awareness, there’s no way he can develop pocket presence in sync with his O-line. It drove a long line of Falcons O-line coaches nuts especially Mangurian. I have no doubt it drives the Eagles O-line coach equally insane.
That’s why Vick steps backwards away from the pocket, even though he puts his own Linemen at a significant disadvantage by allowing a deeper angle of attack. Some football people say he steps away to ensure a clean lane to maneuver to the side, but the coaches will tell you that’s only partially true. The inherent reason he retreats so far back is to keep all the action in FRONT of him so it doesn’t get to his side – let alone BEHIND him where he can’t see it.
Because if it DOES get to his side, he can’t sense it – more importantly, he can’t sense his own Offensive Lineman and give them shallower angles between the Defenders and himself. “Pocket Awareness” refers to the Quarterback alone, while the all-important “Pocket Presence” refers to the relationship, the rapport, the synergy between QB and protection.
Imagine you’re an Offensive tackle protecting a QB with no Pocket Presence and the Defensive End you’re blocking fakes to the outside for an instant. You think “Did my QB drift off his Spot and retreat AGAIN?!” You feel you have no choice but to follow the DE outside for that instant but then he bulldozes inside and makes a Bee-line for the QB. This is the nightmare scenario that most OTs try to avoid. But in Vick’s case, the Eagles O-line are usually blocking for a phantom – because Vick’s so far back he’s not even IN the pocket. So right off the bat, the O-line is at a disadvantage. The angle sucks, they can’t deflect the D-Linemen’s momentum – they’re being bulldozed because they’re catching the full force of that momentum, they have no idea where their QB is and vice-versa, etc.
And at the end of the day, everyone except the NFL pros who know better is going to be blaming the poor Offensive Linemen who have to deal with a fickle QB week-in and week-out.
Yah, protecting Vick “in the pocket” is an O-line’s worst nightmare.
Interesting stuff. Might explain some of why they seemed to protect better for Young.
You should stop in more often.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
i agree
Good stuff.
I’ve never been a fan of running threat QBs for that reason. Its just easier to build a wall than an armored car. At the end of the day, the QB is gonna have to stand in the pocket and deliver. Vick has shown flashes of being able to do this, but never consistantly.
I long for the day when Andy settles on a strong pocket guy and develops a true west coast QB with the high end accuracy it requires.
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by corn on the kolb on Feb 1, 2012 11:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Good points...
However, it doesn’t quite pan out when you consider the year that Jason Peters had against some of the best edge rushers in the NFL. Though he may be legitimately one of the exceptions to what you wrote above, the season he has detracts from this argument a lot.
Why do people always think I'm playing the Race Card???
Is it because I'm black???
Okay...
…so by that logic, would you trade Vick straight up for Joe Flacco or Jay Cutler?
Why do people always think I'm playing the Race Card???
Is it because I'm black???
Wow.
That’s pretty sad…and it means there has to be some underlying reason why you don’t like Vick. Neither of those QBs have won anything or performed particularly well under pressure. So what is the reason you would take one of them over Vick “in a heart beat?”
Why do people always think I'm playing the Race Card???
Is it because I'm black???
I don't know about that exactly
Maybe but like I said above he does add a running element to the game. I’d still like to get a pocket passer, because it’s better overall for the offense and they don’t take the hits as often.
You need your QB to play the whole season. I think this past year we all witnessed how bad it can be with a backup. Vick doesn’t understand that for some reason. He’s said it over and over that he’ll start to slide more……I don’t believe one word.
Vick was down, no denying it
He’s got some totally messed up stuff.
But what he said about Vick was true. We’ll see in 2012.
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Yeah he can't really gripe about his spot on the list ...
… not that he cares. But clearly Vick has to eliminate the turnovers to get back to where he was.
Playing 16-19 games would be great too.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Get back to where he was?
Last season was basically a “normal” year for Vick. Two years ago he had a career year for the Eagles. Last season he had his normal year. I do believe his passing yards and completion % was up, but otherwise his TD/INT ratio has been right about what it’s been for his whole career.
Vick is a better option then a lot of other QB’s because of his running ability and he scores TD that way too. But as for passing he’s an average QB at best.
Trent Dilfer? God, what a tool. Trent Dilfer is basically Jon Kitna with a ring because of his defense.
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vick playing in 10 games>>>>fflacco in 16
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Nope
Not if you don’t have a backup QB who can execute in your system. Say Vick is really good and the team is 7-3 in those 10 starts but only goes 2-4 or 3-3 when he is out.
But
Flacco couldn’t go 7-3 for the eagles though, or 8-8 for that matter.
by YankeesEaglesWhat on Feb 1, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently Vick can’t either. The games he started this year the Eagles were 7-6 and that includes the 2 garbage wins against ’Boys backups & the Skins the last 2 weeks.
Wow
I can see Jay Cutler but Flacco and Ryan ABOVE Vick!? They should be at LEAST one category below
i hate dilfer. hes an idiot
and a bum, i could of quarterbacked that ravens team to a superbowl
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What a jackass
Just because you played football doesn’t make you an expert. Oh, and I’m sure he had Tebow in tier one and tier two. Fuck him. Too bad there’s no way of knowing that because you have to be an ESPN “Insider” to see this premium content. God, how pretentious.
Who said he was an expert?
This write up is his opinion. Relax a little bit, you don’t have to agree with it.
The List
It’s organized into “tiers” rather than a strictly numerical ranking, although Dilfer says that the order does have some significance, but not total.
Tier 1 – “HOF Level” – Peyton, Brady, Rogers, Brees, Roethlisburger
Tier 2- “Eli Zone” – Eli, obviously (this is a cop out to me, because he’s obviously pending his ranking on whether or not the Giants win the SB, which seems kinda arbitrary)
Tier 3 – “A Ring Away” – Rivers, Romo, Ryan, Flacco, Stafford, Cutler, Shaub
Tier 4 – “Mostly Good” – Newton, Vick, Dalton, Freeman, Palmer, Hasselback, Smith
Tier 5 – “Could Go Either Way” – Sanchez, Bradford, Kolb, Cassel, Fitzpatrick, Orton, Moore, Cambell
Tier 6 – “Short Leash” – Tebow, Gabbert, Colt McCoy, Ponder, Grossman, T-Jackson, Painter, Beck
Tier 7 – “Intriguing Wild Cards” – Flynn, Locker, Yates, Skelton, Hoyer
Seems mostly OK, with the egregious error of putting Flacco and Stafford in the same tier. And the “Eli Zone” is obviously stupid.
Go Giants!
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I just eliminate the eli zone, move everybody in tier 3 into tier 2, and take flacco out of that group
Go Giants!
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this is a treat
I am so shocked that a crap QB that won a championship because of a great defense puts in a category based on having a ring. So, is he really saying that he is better then Romo or Stafford or Rivers, but if they were to win a ring then they could be included in discussions with the great Trent Dilfer?
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C'mon
All you need to do is sign up for their crappy magazine full of nonsensical shit with the relevant stories already posted for free on the website. My wife got me a subscription for Christmas. What a waste of money.
by Fantasywhackamole on Feb 2, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
LOL @ those 3 in the tier above Vick, what a joke that is
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by Djax10 on Feb 1, 2012 10:00 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Phillip Rivers
May be the most overrated quarterback of all time. He was a “ring away” ten years ago.
Culter
Really outplayed Vick this year. He is a better QB and the guy I would rather have going ahead forward at this point than Vick.
Flacco/Ryan it is more mixed. Vick’s a better QB than both of those guys right now but he’s coming off a mediocre season and has been quite injury-prone the last 2 years. Would I rather have Vick over the next 3 years as my franchise QB or Ryan/Flacco? Not an easy call.
Okay, I don’t really disagree with anything he said about Vick or the tier Vick is in. But to have certain QB’s ranked above him is a little ridiculous.
Let the beasting begin.
by TransplantedFan on Feb 1, 2012 11:03 PM EST reply actions
Hey Trent
You know that other black QB that started for the Eagles? That was Vince Young, not Michael Vick. Putting Vick below Cutler, Flacco and Ryan is absurd. He is at the very least on their level. He’s 15 – 9 as a starter over the past two years and he is as dynamic a passer as there is in the NFL. And that doesn’t even take his legs into account.
Grouping him with game managers like Dalton and Smith and highly inaccurate and inconsistent passers like Freeman and Palmer is absurd.
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who is Trent Dilfer anyway?
Ryan Leaf with a ring. Nobody cares what Dilfer thinks.
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by EagleDomiNation on Feb 2, 2012 10:05 AM EST reply actions
I just find it funny how fast opinions change
Last year Vick was one of teh bestest.
Now he’s there.
That’s why we should wait more than 1 year before making legacies/sweeping generalizations
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