Eagles 2012 Free Agents: Keep Em/Let Em Walk?
by JasonB on Jan 9, 2012 9:02 AM EST
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PrintThe Eagles have 12 players set to become free agents on March 14th when free agency begins. So I figured we'd play a little game of keep em/let em walk to decide who should be around in 2012. To start, here is the list of pending free agents.
DE Victor Abiamiri, RB Ronnie Brown, DT Antonio Dixon, OT King Dunlap, WR DeSean Jackson, DT Derek Landri, DT Trevor Laws, G Evan Mathis, DE Juqua Parker, FB Owen Schmitt, WR Steve Smith, QB Vince Young.
Personally, I've split them into three groups. Guys I want back for sure, guys I'm pretty much indifferent about and guys I don't want back.
Bring them back
Evan Mathis - Might be the most important pending free agent. He had a fantastic year and made himself a vital part of the line's success going forward.
Derek Landri - Made the most out of absolutely every snap he got this season and was one of the most productive DTs in football on a per snap basis. He's certainly earned another contract.
DeSean Jackson - Money will be the big issue here. If Jackson and Rosenhaus want Larry Fitzgerald money, there's a decent chance he's gone. But we don't know how that will work out yet. At this point all I can say is that I think he does play an important role on this team, his production would not be easily replaced and I'd like to see him back.
Antonio Dixon - His loss was a very underrated part of the reason why the Eagles struggled against the run so often this season. Plus, his play last season had to be part of the impetus for trading Brodrick Bunkley prior to this year. Bunkley went on to have a good season in Denver, but Dixon flat out outplayed him in 2010. I'm interested to see what he brings to the DL rotation when he's healthy next year.
Indifference
King Dunlap - King has done a really good job when asked to fill in at time over these past two seasons. This is clearly a guy that has put in the work since his rookie season when he looked like he'd be completely useless. Line depth is important so King certainly has value, but a backup is a backup so I can't call him a "must bring back."
Owen Schmitt - He's done a perfectly acceptable job as the Eagles FB over these past couple seasons. If he's back, fine. If they want to try to upgrade, I'm fine with that too.
Let Em Walk
Victor Abiamiri, Ronnie Brown, Vince Young - These all need no explanation.
Steve Smith - I would not be at all surprised to see Steve Smith have a resurgence next year. He came off a terrible knee injury suffered late in 2010 and clearly looked like a shell of himself in 2011. Maybe he'll never get back to his Pro Bowl level, but next year he'll be two years removed from microfracture knee injury and should be more productive than he was here. All that said... he can do it somewhere else.
Trevor Laws - He's really shown flashes of being a disruptive player in the middle, but in your fourth year you need to be showing more than flashes. I was really close to putting Laws in the "indifference" category, but looking at the DT position on the team, it's hard to see where he'd even fit.
Juqua Parker - He's given 7 years of solid service to the Eagles and I certainly appreciate that. However, he's going to be 34 this year. He had trouble staying healthy and assuming Brandon Graham comes into next year ready, it's really hard to see a place for him on the squad.
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Like the list -
Keep’em –
D.Landri – this guy will only get better
E. Mathis – #1 priority to keep this line intact
D. Jackson – need him
O. Schmitt – Solid fullback – nothing fantsy, but hell we dont need that
K. Dunlap – Solid backup, just not a full time starter – would rather be safe then sorry
Indifferent -
Steve Smith – If he gets back to form worth taking one more shot at him
V. Young – I am torn with this – the guy can play football he just needs to learn he doesnt have to do it alone. That is why he is failing and if he takes a cheap contract maybe bring him back 1 more year to see if he can learn the team game.
Let’em Walk –
100% with you on Victor Abiamiri, Ronnie Brown
A. Dixon – Would rather draft a run stuffing lineman
T. Laws – See ya, had another year to shine and missed it
J. Parker – It is just time to move on – thank you for your time with us
Antonio Dixon
is exactly a run stuffing lineman so I don’t think that D-lineman is a need in the draft. I feel for Vince Young too, but he doesn’t fit here. I hope he rebounds, but it’s not going to be here.
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Yes I know
that is what he is but he has not been as good as I would like to see. IMO he should go and we get someone else. And no I dont feel for VY at all but he could be much better then he is if he would just trust people around him. He needs to learn that.
Dixon was an excellent run stuffer next year
The mid-season turnaround in ‘10 under McDermott when they started clamping down on the running game was almost totally attributable to Dixon’s entry into the starting lineup.
With Patterson, Jenkins, Dixon, and Landri they can afford to let Laws go and DT is still WAYY down on the list of positions in need of upgrade, I have no idea what people on this site are smoking when they suggest picking up a DT in the 1st/2nd rd….
Dixon was great last year. Unless you were expecting him to be Haloti Ngata, I would say Dixon (being he was an undrafted FA pick up from the Redskins practice squad) has far and away exceeded expectations.
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I still
say I could let him walk, he is replaceable. That is all I am saying. He has played well above expectations though, I agree with that. But if I were there I could let him walk,
King Dunlap
doesn’t really fit in with Mudd’s blocking scheme. They’re going to get a rookie backup most likely in the draft.
He fit just fine
That’s why he was the first OT off the bench if they needed a fill in.
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He did have that sweet FG block against the 49ers
But I know that Mudd is known to work with smaller guys (King is listed at 6’9 while Todd is 6’6 and Peters is 6’4) Maybe they do bring him back, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they let him walk and bring in a prototypical Mudd guy.
But he’s been the primary backup, has played well and knows the system. As a backup he would be more reliable than a rookie. We also carry 8-10 OL a year. So we can keep him plus add a rookie.
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Yes Dunlap
has been a great backup and played where he was needed, I think you have to keep him because he has proven himself as a reliable backup so you cant just throw that away.
mathis
let mathis walk and draft a stud tackle in round one ..than move herremans back to guard .. he isntt a good tackle .. mathis is a career journey man .. and is being over rated by all the eagles fans on here .. hes not that special .. mike adams in first round please .. we need a legit tackle .. not a make shift guard who sucks there .. he belongs at guard .. hes ok there
Desean
I think we’re making a mistake in thinking that if DeSean wants Fitz money that he’ll end up with another team.
Think about the Rollins situation. He wanted a big 5 year deal. No one was willing so he ended up back in Philly. Now, obviously baseball and football are not the same with regards to contract structure, and desean is much younger, but it’s very possible he finds out the grass is not greener.
by outsyderz34 on Jan 9, 2012 9:32 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Rollins asking for 5 was also just part of the negotiation process. You know, if you really want 4 years, you ask for 5 and work your way down. If DeSean was employing a similar tactic, I’m guessing they’d have a deal done already.
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by Eaglesadvocate on Jan 9, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Well, once they passed the deadline to re-sign current players, there was nothing they could do. DeSean is set to hit free agency so even if they wanted to do a deal now, it’s impossible.
I don’t think there is a deadline to resign your own players. This can be done anytime.
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by Eaglesadvocate on Jan 9, 2012 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Steve Smith
was just signed in my opinion as a “insurance policy” just in case Maclin was to missed significant time with his illness. When Maclin came back, he had to slide to the 4th on the depth chart. This and his knee injury is why I thought he wasn’t productive this year. That or maybe he was a double agent working for the giants as shown in the giants game. hehehe
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Steve Smith
was one of the biggest bust and poor investment when 3/4 of that money could of went to DJAX
Smith took the money and decided he would get paid to rehab. He wanted no part of contact and played like a little bitch.
by captain nodar on Jan 9, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Yea, hindsight tells us now
but almost everbody including me thought it was a good signing cost wise.
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by FloridaEagle on Jan 9, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
I will be interested to see what happens with Desean and Smith. If we let Desean walk, so we try to re-sign Smith in hopes he’ll regain his previous form?
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by GreenInBaltimore on Jan 9, 2012 9:33 AM EST reply actions
Anyone who thinks...
Mike Wallace will be anywhere but Pittsburgh next year is smoking the GreeninBaltimore. lol
Besides, he had his Desean Jackson from 2 years ago year, this year…but also showed he drops some easy ones too…how different is that game last night if he catches that pass he dropped?
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I agree with this entire list
Also, we need to keep DeSean. We can’t go into FA and the Draft with a new hole in our roster at WR. We have other things to worry about without creating a problem there. Imagine they let him walk, our receiving corps would be Maclin, Avant, and Cooper. Thats pathetic and would be near the bottom of the league… not to mention it wouldn’t even be close to competing with the Cowboys and Giants receivers.
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by Djax10 on Jan 9, 2012 9:56 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Desean has to be the number 1 priority. Our offense is not the same without him. There really isn’t anything else to say. Why go out and get a free agent who is going to take 6 to 7 games to pickup the offense? And what if he doesn’t grasp it in his first year?
Mathis
Landri
Dixon
Schmitt
Dunlap
The rest can kick rocks.
Trolol or no? Because that worst receiving corps in the league comment was a good one.
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by benjapal on Jan 9, 2012 11:01 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Trolol or no? Because that worst receiving corps in the league comment was a good one.
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by benjapal on Jan 9, 2012 11:01 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
You are completely delusional
If you think we would have a WR corps “near the bottom of the league” if we let DeSean Jackson walk.
True
There are some really bad WR corps, but there’s no doubt that it would take a major hit w/o DeSean. THat’s a lot of production to replace.
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DeSean changes the opposing defensive game plan
That’s why its so valuable having him on the field. Teams have to account for him and play their CBs and Safeties further back, opening up the middle of the field for guys like Celek, Avant and Maclin. It would be a huge hit to not have DeSean back, but we have to consider his production, which is nowhere near Calvin Johnson production nor money.
I get the impression that if negotiations don’t pick up after FA starts (and there’s only a month between FA and the draft), the #15 pick will be spent on a WR.
No #15 is going to a LB.
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by h2o_34_35_44 on Jan 9, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Dude, its not like if they wouldnt replace him with another decent option. You take out Desean and add Vincent JAckson, you’re not going to drop in production. You’ll most likely add to it. We still have MAclin, Avant and Celek in the passing game. I want Desean to stay for the right deal, but I would much prefer it if they could find a bigger receiver and replace him.
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Jan 9, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Which is why I wouldn't be surprised if the Eagles go after Marques Colston
He fits here and I don’t think NO is going to bring him back after this year. VJax might demand too much money and I never really was too impressed by his production for the value he would be seeking. Colston is a safe bet.
Intriguing
That would soothe the pain of losing DJackson. So would VJackson or Dwayne Bowe.
I would be okay with any of those swaps, but we’d have to go after a return specialist. Anybody got Johnnie Lee Higgins’s number?
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I agree with this statement
If Jeffery is there at 15 you have to take him. 6’5" runs a 4.4 and is the physical guy this team has lacked since TO also good hands and great attitude. Whats not to like? There is a ton of quality LBs in this draft. We can address that position with our seconds.
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by no1pipelayer on Jan 9, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
I like Alshon
But no way he runs a 4.4 or no way a 6’5 reciever running a 4.4 makes it to #15, either one.
ok, the giants suck.
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 4th
I did't say he would make it, just that if he does you have to take him.
A lot of the mocks out there have him going after 15 because he had a down year.
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thank god he's only 6'4"...
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by greenbean#twoOH on Jan 10, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
There is a ton of quality LBs in this draft.
You just stated the problem that we’ve had the last few years. There have always been quality LBs that we take and then it doesn’t work out. I think it’s about time we go for the top of the quality so we can stop having the same problem on defense year after year.
Besides, Bowe, Colston, and V. Jackson are all FA along with D. Jackson. We can pick from the liter. At least one of them won’t be back with the original team (I think Colston and V. Jackson move on).
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Problem is that we're rubbing up against the cap
FA wide receivers cost big bucks. I’d rather get a vet LB in FA. It would be cheaper and more of an immediate impact. Then pick up additional LBs 2nd and 3rd rounds.
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I would rather have one of those experienced WRs
and a rookie LB than a rookie WR and any of the experienced, available LBs I can think of.
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Yeah I agreed with the whole list too
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Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
I can't argue with this list.
Stev Smit might be healthier next year, but his knee had nothing to do with his lousy hands or inability to take two more steps to get a first down before diving to the ground. He’s never going to be higher than 3rd on the depth chart (and probably not even that with Avant around) and there is no reason to pay so much money to a 4th receiver. And they can take the money they would have wasted on him and give it to Jackson.
i am not sure about getting rid of vince young
i really liked what i saw in the giants game.
defense lost the pats game.
i didn’t see the seahawks game.
anyhow it might make sense to keep the continuity here. the less unnecessary upheaval going into next the season, the better. if vince is o.k. with his role…i say keep him.
who is going to replace him as backup?
it should be remembered the whole “dream team” bull shit was not vince’s fault.
by andyfrombrooklyn on Jan 9, 2012 10:07 AM EST reply actions
i didn’t see the seahawks game.
Well there you have it, no doubt that game was enough to send him packing, I was there.
it should be remembered the whole "dream team" bull shit was not vince’s fault.
I can agree with the feeling that it was “Blown out of proportion” but to say it wasnt his fault would be false, thats media and journalism 101, you cant add to someones words but you can put those words in a certain light, which is what the media did, again it was taken out of context but he most certainly cannot escape blame.
ok, the giants suck.
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 4th
I might bring back Vince depending on what he’s asking for. You can do a lot worse for a 2nd string QB.
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Vince Young may not want to come back and be a backup. He probably wants to start again in the league. I think Miami will make a run at him. Now if he has no other options, then I think he won’t have any other choice but to come back.
That's definitely possible
But I don’t think a team will give Vince a starting gig after what he showed here. At least he’d get to play in Philly as you have to think Vick’s gonna get banged up eventually.
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by philiafan14364 on Jan 9, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
I think he's gone.
Even if no team will outright hand him a chance to start, he’ll at least go somewhere where there’s a quarterback he has a chance at beating out. Here, it’s Vick’s team as long as Mike’s healthy.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
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He might be worth it if he could still scramble, but he looks slower than Kafka these days.
The guy is a terrible QB…
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by Cowboy KILLER on Jan 10, 2012 7:32 AM EST up reply actions
Former Eagles in the playoffs
Did you see Mike McGlynn starting at guard for Cincinatti?
Or Quintin Demps starting at safety for Houston?
Bunkley playing solid football in Denver?
I thought it was bitter sweet. Kind of mad that they couldn’t do it for us. But good luck to them.
by Shady25 on Jan 9, 2012 10:24 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Saw McGlynn mess up a blocking assignment and allow JJ Watt to get the pick 6…
Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
I don’t think McGlynn was at fault in any way there. Watt just made a phenomenal play. Every great play doesn’t always have a guy that did something wrong on the other side.
by JimmyK on Jan 9, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's true re: the Pick 6
But McGlynn had a bad game (and bad season) overall. In fact Cinci’s entire O-line had a bad game and bad season overall, they were totally dominated by Houston’s front as well as the Steelers and Ravens’ fronts in all 4 reg season meetings.
Bunkley was outplayed by Dixon last year and I’d rather have both Landri and Jenkins on the roster than him.
Demps is a backup in Houston and was starting for the injured Daniel Manning… of course he would have been better than Jarrad Page though…
Honestly, the only ex-Eagle in the playoffs I’m angry to see slip away is Denver’s LB Joe Mays…. played well for them this season and the guy just LOOKS like a beast, how’d the birds let him go when the rest of the LB corps was dreck?
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come on now
Mays was terrible in his opportunity here. We all complained about him and the fact that he was undersized as we have about all our LB’s of late. Obviously this syetm wasn’t good for him and Denver’s is. hell JJ was still the coach when Mays was here so if he didn’t have his faith, fuck it, let him go.
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Yeah Mays really wasn't looking like more than a ST'er
He’s 5-11 and he got chances to show what he could do. He was a player at ND but I’m not sure he was going to be the guy he is now in Denver if he’d stayed here. I haven’t lost any sleep over that one.
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I thought McGlynn was a good player, but he didn’t fit Mudd’s scheme. Bunkley is a good run stuffing DT but mediocre as a pass rusher. He’s pretty much the same player that we saw in Philly.
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As long as Smith.,Brown and Young
Id be happier than I was in week in week 12
Question
Steve Smith did have an awful year coming off his injury, but you can’t forget about his production in New York.
With that said, if we let DeSean walk due to money, would your opinion change on taking a chance to see if Smith has a chance?
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I just want SS on our team.. I was so.happy when we signed him, stuck by him all season.
by TimmyGee on Jan 9, 2012 11:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I just want SS on our team.. I was so.happy when we signed him, stuck by him all season.
by TimmyGee on Jan 9, 2012 11:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Steve Smith's numbers in NY
were mostly due to playing with Eli. He made Smith’s replacement, an UDFA, look like an All-Pro this year. It’ll be interesting to see what happens when he’s healthy, but I doubt he ever gets 104 catches again, or makes a Pro Bowl.
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QBs and Ronnie Brown
I think I’m in the minority on this one, but outside of that 49ers play (which I think, all hyperbole aside, is the worst f****g thing I’ve ever seen on a football field), Ronnie Brown was fine, and he handled the whole trade bait-and-switch like a real pro. I would be fine having him back, except that I think he probably wants and deserves more than three snaps a game.
And I cannot watch Vince Young anymore. At all. Actually, I’ve been thinking the Eagles might think about bring McNabb back (and I KNOW I’m in the minority now). We need someone who can win us games when Vick gets banged up, McNabb not only knows the system but knows the actual guys he’d be throwing to, we need our high draft picks not for a “QB of the future” but for “LBs of today”. Of course, that would only work if he was absolutely fine with being a backup.
by randallscrambling on Jan 9, 2012 10:59 AM EST reply actions
McNabb
would demand too much money but then again we saw how deep Lurie’s pockets were
We dont know that. McNabb may have zero offers next year.
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Jan 9, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Ronnie BRown wasn't fine.
He averaged 3.2 yards per carry. Dion Lewis averaged 4.4
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I know numbers don't usually lie (and I certainly defer to you on football knowledge...)
But I think Brown might be better if he was able to get in the flow, which no #2 Eagles RB has been allowed to do since Buck, and also he was running alot in trash time, when the defense knew we were trying to milk the clock. And if you’re brought in to get that one or two yard, it’d seem that you’re diving and falling forward, so your average might be lower than otherwise. But I’m not in love with him, just like the idea of a talented character veteran as #3 next year.
by randallscrambling on Jan 9, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
Before Reading Everybody Elses
Let Em Walk-
QB Vince Young- It’s time for Kafka
RB Ronnie Brown- Don’t need this high priced 5 toucher
WR- Steve Smith- What a “Giant” disappointment
DE- Victor Abriami- Has anybody else made so much money for so little contribution?
Indifferent
OT King Dunlap- not a terrible back up but we might be able to get someone better
DT Trevor Laws- decent fill in but replaceable
Bring em Back
WR Desean Jackson- for the right price and if issues with management are resolved
G Evan Mathis- what a find
FB Owen Schmitt- my answer to underrated player. he fits the bill of what we need
DT Derek Landri- More playing time for this monster please
DT Antonio dixon- will complete a great 4 man DT rotation
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by Talon Talent on Jan 9, 2012 11:03 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
This
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
Kafka
he is a career backup and maybe a career 3rd string in this league, but he does not fit the mold this offense is made of. If he was backing up Kolb I would say yes he is the right guy but again with our scheme I would rather tradde the draft away for RG III if that is what we were going to do.
you can make that assumption all you want about Kafka
just as I am still under the assumption he has the tools to be the best QB out of that draft class. I said it would take him 4 years before he was a real QB and his progress in two has been amazing. I still have faith in his ability and hopefully the Eagles do to.
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Agree with almost everything, except King Dunlap, who I think should be squarely in the “bring them back” category. OL depth is huge, and King is a very good backup swing tackle. He played 147 snaps last season and 438 in 2010. If he’s not there, who takes those snaps?
Believe it or not, Kind Dunlap is a very important piece to our offense. He can play both tackle positions which frees up another game day roster spot to address another need. What about Winston Justice? I think he gets traded or released.
Isn’t Winston Justice a Pete Carroll guy? Maybe he’s willing to give up a 5th rounder next year for him or something.
It wouldn’t be crazy for the Eagles to get something in return for Winston. Somehow they got a 7 for Stacy Andrews and his atrocious contract from those very same Seahawks. I don’t think they’d get a 5 for Winston, but maybe they get something.
by JimmyK on Jan 9, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Keep-
DeSean Jackson: Money has to be right but DeSean is a big part of the offense
Antonio Dixon & Derek Landri: Both of them would of made the team from the beginning if they would of cut Laws after the last pre-season game
Vince Young: I know this won’t be popular but I think a full off-season would really help VY plus his 3 game was brutal & he won one of those for us which kept us in it I guess. I wouldn’t keep him for as much though
King Dunlap: Since Justice might be on his way out, King is the backup at both spots & would probably make less money then Justice
Indifferent-
Evan Mathis: No doubt he was great but there are some really good G’s in this draft, so if he’s gone & we draft one of the G’s I probably won’t miss him
Let em walk-
Abiamiri: He can go on someone else’s IR
Brown: He looked slow this year
Laws: Should of been able to do more this year in a system that played to his strengths & he would be behind Dixon & Landri
Parker: I thank JP for his service but we have young guys ready to take over for him
Schmitt: I cringe every time Schmitt touches the ball
Smith: Probably will have a better year next year but my guess is he doesn’t want to be a #4 WR
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You know Mathis was the best guard according to PFF? The chance to draft someone of Mathis caliber is very small
by Anders Jensen on Jan 9, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Have to keep Mathis. We finally have the chance to have continuity on our OL, can’t mess with it.
by Shady25 on Jan 9, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Like I told Jordan Raanan yesterday when he was saying PFF said Bunkley was the 3rd best DT this year & trying to get Eagles fans pissed off because of it even though our DTs were good this year without Bunk, I don’t live off of every word PFF says. If we bring back Mathis of course I won’t have a problem with it but if he leaves & we draft one of the really good guard prospects in the draft I won’t be upset that he left
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Its not just PFF there have him playing at a very high level. Consider that your first 3 picks should go on defense (I say 2 LBs and safety/CB), getting a really good guard prospect is kinda tough
by Anders Jensen on Jan 9, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
"I don’t live off of every word PFF says"
Fine, but at least offer a good argument to the contrary. You can do better than this:
No doubt he was great but there are some really good G’s in this draft, so if he’s gone & we draft one of the G’s I probably won’t miss him
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Some team is going to offer DeSean 10+ million a year. Probably Dallas.
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Dallas can’t afford to spend that kind of money on another WR.
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Plus Dallas has tons of other issues
CB, S, OL(basically everywhere except RT), another RB, just to name a few.
Jerry Jones is the kind of guy who would sign DeSean and not address the other problems
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by tst29 on Jan 9, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Remember, Dallas lost to Giants for the NFC EAST Championship, and they are looking to beef up their Defense if they want to win next year. That’s the way money talk works. They are not going to spend a gems worth on any one person, til there have their Defense filled.
by EaglesHeat on Jan 9, 2012 12:21 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Somebody will probably bid us up
We might have missed our chance to get him at a low rate, but with all the other WRs out there, that;s either gonna give us fallback options, or a chance to compete with whoever else is looking to add a big playmaker.
Also there’s the franchise tag, no?
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Keep: Mathis, Landri, Jackson, Dixon, Dunlap. I should note that keeping DeSean is predicated on him dropping his Larry Fitzgerald contractual demands (which I think he will). I do not have a fixed dollar amount in my mind of what DeSean should be paid, but if he does not back down from Larry Fitzgerald, then the Eagles should let him walk. There will be some negotiations this off-season, but in the end, I would be very surprised if DeSean is not an Eagle in September 2012.
Indifferent: Owen Schmitt.
Let ’em Walk: Parker, Laws, Abiamiri
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out: Steve Smith, Ronnie Brown, Vince Young
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Steve Smith (CAR)- $8,550,000
Miles Austin- $8,540,000
Andre Johnson- $8,828,571
Brandon Marshall- $9,460,000
Wes Welker- $4,125,000
Greg Jennings- $6,512,500
Reggie Wayne- $8,033,333
I think what the Eagles offered DeSean was fair.
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by tst29 on Jan 9, 2012 12:11 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Very close to the 10 mil. mark
by EaglesHeat on Jan 9, 2012 12:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
What did the eagles offer him?
by Doug_M on Jan 9, 2012 12:35 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
According to a report, around 8 million a year
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by tst29 on Jan 9, 2012 12:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Didn't hear that
But if it’s true, that’s a pretty good offer
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The problem is some of those guys are clearly overpaid, while others are clearly underpaid, so its hard to get a “market value” from that list.
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by philiafan14364 on Jan 9, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure if there was an offer yet, I could be wrong, though.
by EaglesHeat on Jan 9, 2012 12:53 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Bring ‘em back-
DeSean- I’ll say it again, I would rather him play for us than against us. Hopefully, him and the Eagles can fine some middle ground.
Mathis-Along with Peters formed the best left side an offensive line in the NFL. And judging by his NFL career, has many miles to go.
Dixon-Great starter and rotational player. Great against the run.
Landri-Came out of nowhere. Can stay out of nowhere.
Indifferent-
Schmitt- Want him back more than I don’t want him back. But the sun still rises if he isn’t on the roster next season.
Dunlap-OK, spot guy. Definitely not a starter. I couldn’t care less what happens honestly.
Deuces-
Abiamiri-FINALLY! We are rid of you. He’s be Federlining us since he’s been drafted.
Parker-Thank you for all you’ve done. You been a great player for us for how we got you and the price. We appreciate it.
Smith- Thanks for nothing. That money should have gone towards Tulloch, DeSean, or LeSean.
Brown- That money definitely should have gone to Tulloch, DeSean, or LeSean. But thanks for sucking so bad that you saved Harrison’s life.
Young-Eat shit and kill yourself!
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Young-Eat shit and kill yourself!
C’mon son….
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by FloridaEagle on Jan 9, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
it made me laugh
Oh boy, is this great!
by MayIhave10,000marblesplease? on Jan 9, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
whats the story with anthony hargove?
is he going to be a free agent? everyone knew he could kick ass on the d-line, just like we all knew derek landri would be disruptive. hey im down for keeping the guys that can obviously play.
KEEP:
(definitely) G Evan Mathis, DT Derek Landri — dont be dumb, guys.
(maybe) FB Owen Schmitt, DT Antonio Dixon — can we upgrade at FB? is dixon the right fit for the wide-9?
(ehh) DE Victor Abiamiri, OT King Dunlap, DE Juqua Parker — why not?
(meh) WR Steve Smith — would he be willing to return and try harder if we dump deshawn?
DUMP:
WR DeSean Jackson, DT Trevor Laws — they may be good, probably not right for this team.
RB Ronnie Brown, QB Vince Young — which one is a better quarterback in the NFL? seriously…
DE Victor Abiamiri….why not?
Since he’s been drafted he’s missed 51 games out of 80. No thanks.
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yeah but we kept him this long, dont you want to see what he can do? he can get cut if he’s no good..
I've seen what he can do
Get hurt and waste money. He can’t really be able to show much since he’s missed what is equivalent to over 3 seasons worth of football. I’m ready to move on and see what someone else can do.
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by macjack09 on Jan 9, 2012 11:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My theory
Titans should had never let Vince Young walked. Young allowed Chad Johnson to do what he did last year… now he sucks ass. I smell a conspiracy…
I think everyone should be bilateral coordinated.
Our Team
I for 1 am tired of our team looking like paper champions. We really have a lot of needs to be addressed.
1. I know this is a no brainer & the chances of this happening are still up in the air but we need a “real defensive coordinator”. I know everyone wants Spags I do to but I dont think he’s going to come cheap. We need a coordinator with real defensive coaching experience. If we bring Juan back for another year I will personally go to Eagles front office & put my name in the hat for the gig. I run a promising defensive scheme on Madden & I would like to take my skill-sets to the NFL.
2. Free Agency. Bring back DJAX Also Bring back Dixon. Pairing him with Cole, Babin & Jenkins will help our front 4. Bring Back Schmitt, Mathis & Dunlap. They all have shown that they deserve a spot on the roster.
3. Defense We need linebackers and I mean we need good ones. Our CB situation is still a little shakey the only Shoe in @ this Point is Nnamdi. DRC is younger but his tackling is just as bad as Asante Samuel & its already safe to say the last couple of game gave us a glimpse of what our secondary will look like going forward. We still need to address slot CB & safety. Nate Allen has a lot of upside so I hope he develops well. Did I say that we need to address our Line-backing Core.
4. Offense. We need a better slot receiver. While Avant is ok there has been games where he just was not there. He was on the field but he made little to no impact. A lot of teams now play us with 2-Deep Safety which takes the deep ball away from DJAX & Maclin. We need someone who can work inside the numbers along with Celek.
We need another RB a bigger back or a change of pace to Shady. With his success this year we will now see a lot of 8 man fronts next year which should help our pass attack but we want to have another back to share the load so if we make a deep run Shady will be healthy.
5. We need Vick to stay healthy or we need a real backup QB. VY was a good option but he’s a competitor he wants to start & obviously that’s not going to happen here.
by ImperialEaglesFan on Jan 9, 2012 2:55 PM EST reply actions
Young is a bad quarterback for WCO
you need an accurate and non hesitant QB which Young isn’t. I don’t see why most people don’t see this.
I think everyone should be bilateral coordinated.
Seriously?
Sounds like this post is a WIP caller. “We need a big back” “Avant disappears”. We need a nickel corner (or slot corner as you call it). DRC and Nnamdi are not a good option for the outside. Please man, if the last two games are an indication of how the cornerbacks will be next year then they will be very good. Avant is one of the best third down receivers in the nfl. Not pretty, but he gets it done. The eagles have done just fine without a big back. McCoy led the league in first down runs this year. Joselio Hanson is a great slot corner. Not just good, great. The eagles obviously brought him back for a two year deal anticipating losing Asante in the offseason on the outside.
Keep:
Jackson
Mathis
Landri
Schmitt
Dunlap
The rest can go.
by PhilsForever on Jan 9, 2012 10:44 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
forgot about Dixon
He should stay.
by PhilsForever on Jan 9, 2012 10:44 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I really hope we resign Dixon. With him, our depth chart at DT is Jenkins, Patterson, Dixon, Landri, and whoever we draft, which is probably fine. I’m terrified Reid’s going to let Dixon and Laws walk so he can draft a DT in the first round (which is pretty likely to happen considering he’s used 5 of his 11 1st rounders on D-Linemen). I can totally see him falling for Devon Still.
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I agree 100% with this list. Schmitt get’s brought back to training camp and it will be a battle between him and the FB we drafted from USC last year.
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Agree with the list...
…and the descriptions.
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Is it because I'm black???
Parker had an excellent year
Stop counting age and start counting quality snaps. Parker excelled in the rotation. Yes he is on the decline. But he provides excellent depth. We still don’t know who Brandon Graham is yet.
Meanwhile we haven’t seen what Steve Smith can do. Try for another year if the price is right.
As for Vince Young we have seen an INT machine as we saw in Tennessee before he was demoted. What we haven’t seen is Young after a full offseason, training camp, and preseason with this club.
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