Eagles Fire Secondary Coach Johnnie Lynn
by JasonB on Jan 7, 2012 8:35 PM EST
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PrintAfter just one season in charge of the Eagles secondary, Johnnie Lynn is done. It was reported today by CBS' Clark Judge that he was fired by the team. As anyone who reads the site knows, I'm always somewhat skeptical of just how much influence position coaches have either way, but certainly you can say that Lynn's unit did not perform to expectations.
The Eagles secondary allowed 27 passing TDs, which is only four fewer than the disastrous total of last season. We also saw Nnamdi Asomugha struggle over the first half of the season picking up the Eagles zone coverages. Certainly that could be seen as an area where the secondary coach could have been better.
Lynn is the first coach to get the ax following the Eagles disappointing 8-8 season. You would think that more than just the secondary coach would lose his job after a season the owner deemed "unacceptable," so we'll obviously have our eyes and ears open for more moves.
As to what this could mean or Juan Castillo? If the Eagles did not want to fire him, you could maybe see a scenario here where he is moved to a positional coach spot to make room for a new defensive coordinator... like say, Steve Spagnuolo?!
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Zordich and Caldwell next, please.
Oh boy, is this great!
by MayIhave10,000marblesplease? on Jan 7, 2012 8:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Maybe, but I don’t know that it would be deserved really. The guy is given a bunch of late round rookies and young guys, the unit is constantly shuffled on him… It seems pretty tough to judge Caldwell on this year.
Zordich got an injured Nate Alllen, Jarrad Page, a rookie and Kurt Coleman. Again, tough to judge.
In the end, I don’t really care whether they’re here or not, but I have a hard time believing they are to “blame” for the defense this year. In fact, I’d have them pretty far down the list.
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With young’uns at LB and S, you need position coaches who can teach.
Oh boy, is this great!
by MayIhave10,000marblesplease? on Jan 7, 2012 8:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And who says they didn’t? The young LBs and safeties got better as the year went on. And with no offseason with those guys?
It’s an impossible job that Caldwell and Zordich were given.
But again, if Reid thinks he can find someone better, by all means find them. But I’m not going to buy for second that position coaches were the problem.
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You're probably right,
but to me, it’s the same argument as w Castillo. A bunch of young guys in a new scheme, and you have position coaches who have never coached before?
Oh boy, is this great!
by MayIhave10,000marblesplease? on Jan 7, 2012 9:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Right, but they both played those positions in the NFL. Plus, it’s not at all uncommon for guys like Zordich & Caldwell to get those jobs. Those are who gets position coach jobs.
It is very odd, nearly unprecedented, for a guy like Castillo to get the job he did.
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Wasn’t Dick Jauron a position coach last year? Position coaches aren’t always guys who were QC interns the year before.
Maybe I’m making too big of a deal about it, but I saw what Mudd did for rookies Kelce and Watkins. It would have been nice to see similar production from LBs and S positions.
Oh boy, is this great!
by MayIhave10,000marblesplease? on Jan 7, 2012 9:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
There’s all kinds of position coaches, but the point is that it’s where younger guys usually start.
But if the Eagles can find the Howard Mudd of linebacker coaches.. that’s great.
It’s different because Mudd implemented his own scheme for the blocking. I’m not sure there’s a comparison to LBs, but if there’s some miracle worker out there, great. Bring him in.
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Actually, if anything, I’d be somewhat annoyed to see all the position coaches fired, because this team better not dare try to convince me that the problems this year were because of position coaches. That’s total BS.
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by JasonB on Jan 7, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was agreeing with you, even though it may not look like it.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
No, I think you’re absolutely right. If they want to fire Lynn… fine, but I don’t think for one second that he was the problem.
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I just think they were set up to fail
Andy set up a rookie d-co with first time position coaches and a secondary coach (likes press) that didnt fit the scheme
Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"
just so i'm clear
who do you think was the problem for the Eagles defense this year, and the two years prior? it’s not a loaded question, i’m just trying to make sure i know your view point clearly, thanks
by EaglesfaninVA on Jan 8, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
this smells like an Eagle setup
Crush them, my Birds!!! CRUSH THEM!!!!!!!!!
by EagleDomiNation on Jan 8, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
I just wonder if we’re going to do this dance every offseason until we put together an all-star roster of position/assistant coaches.
Who knows what's in the plans...
Everything is a top secret at the Novacare.
I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
i Really hope castillo
is not moved to secondary coach. I thought by far the secondary was the most misused this year by castillo. Although if Spags was the DC, Castillo would have to work his secondary into spags’ system which I would not mind so much.
Yeah his job would just be to implement what Spags wants in that case.
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No
he shouldn’t be back in any capacity on the defensive side, he can come back as Mudd’s assistance if he wants.
I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
Yeah, I don’t get why people would want Castillo to not be DC but are fine with him as an assistant. Juan’s a great dude, but there are other coaches out there that can do a better job than him. Sorry Juan, its the business of the NFL.
Whats wrong with him as an assistant? Juan is a very good teacher, he just lack in game planing right now.
by Anders Jensen on Jan 7, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
I’m saying that we shouldn’t give Juan the sympathy nod because he’s been the line coach for longer than Reid has. Look how that turned out for us last year. I don’t want a situation where Castillo is relegated to being LBs coach, and then having our linebackers confused during game scenarios. I think Juan is a great guy, but if there’s a better candidate out there, then why are we automatically showing favoritism to Juan?
Next, fire Mike Caldwell
And hire Greg Manusky. Then fire Juan and hire Spags.
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Interesting name
I haven’t considered Manusky but it makes a lot of sense. He’s from Dallas, PA so he might like to return back to eastern PA. I like his experience, too.
We'll see
It’s too early to say. But if the Lynn is the only change made, then yeah… You could certainly see it as a scapegoat firing.
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You could also see it as a coincidence
Maybe he just wasn’t good at the job so they decided to replace him
i just dont see a position coach making a difference to the outcome, especially when there was no offseason for him to work with players
Exactly
But it’s not like they’ve fired him saying “Here, this is the guy that’s responsible for the team going 8-8 and now he’s gone; be pleased”
They’ve fired him because they don’t think he did a good job, not as a scapegoat.
Well it's more than that
They don’t have to say the guy is a scapegoat for him to be made one. For instance, if Juan Castillo says “my scheme was great” and Howie Roseman says “the players I signed were great” so… the problem must be the position coach!
That would be scapegoating.
But at the same time, like you said, they very well may just feel he didn’t do a good job.
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Lamest scapegoat ever? “Who can we blame the 8-8 season on when we were supposed to compete?” “I KNOW, THE CORNER-BACK COACH!”
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I got an idea
How about we hire our wr coach as our secondary coach… Seeing that he knows routes and what not :-/
Vince been here less than a month and already done ****ed up
smh (dream team)
Hopefully
He wont be made the scapegoat for the secondary struggles this year and other changes will be made.
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I was expecting the LB coach to be fired first....
Lynn… is just a scapegoat.
I think everyone should be bilateral coordinated.
Reid and gang aren’t going to waste time with finding scapegoats amongst position coaches most people never thought about – what kind of scapegoat would that be? – he must just not have been clicking. I don’t think the Eagles organization is into ‘scapegoats’ anyway, which I think is a plus. Certainly the secondary had big failings this year considering the talent, so makes sense enough to me. I think we’ll see more changes soon, but for stuff like DC they’re going to want to have the successor in hand first.
by EagleinDC on Jan 7, 2012 11:05 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
i think this is it for andy
So I don’t see him trying to do anything stupid like “scapegoating” accountability. If he does do something stupid then its gonna be his head on a chopping block. He needs to get all this figured out. Nfccg or gone…
by sandiegoeaglesfan on Jan 7, 2012 11:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
It was his fault Ronnie Brown had a run pass option
In the red Zone. The only thing worse than child abuse is Marty’s playcalling. Scapegoat.
Lynn was originally advertised as a veteran position coach who would know how to run the secondary, so Castillo wouldn’t have to worry about the basics in the secondary (kind of the way they brought in Washburn to do that with the D line). The secondary, however, turned out to be a complete disaster from a coaching perspective for much of the season (terrible fundamentals, blown assignments, confused coverages, etc., etc.).
I don’t have the patience to search for a quote, but I found this snippet from philly.com last February when AR unveiled his plan for the defense under Castillo:
The addition of Johnnie Lynn to coach cornerbacks is worth noting too. Put it all together, as Reid said he was doing, and you have veteran coaches on the defensive line and in the secondary to go along with Castillo, who played linebacker. Lynn has been a defensive coordinator and can be a resource.
We can’t know what went on behind closed doors during the season, but it certainly doesn’t seem like Lynn lived up to the job. Good riddance.
by Clyde Simmons 96 on Jan 8, 2012 12:30 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I agree with this.
I don’t think its a “scapegoat” move. Not their MO. They obviously felt that the scheme wasn’t getting from chauk to film, and i’d generally agree.
Of the 3 levels, DLine achieved what it was expected to do, linebackers was severely undermanned and acted like it.. but our 2ndry should’ve been better. Much better. Youth at safety considered.
No, I think he’s out. Still, Marty should go too. I can’t believe more people rip on Castillo than the shitpoor play calling.
I would like to thank my hands for being so great, for allowing me to type this post.
by corn on the kolb on Jan 8, 2012 12:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
This
MM needs to go! Bring in someone else, from the west coast variation. Give some upstart a try at it. Can’t think of any names.
by sandiegoeaglesfan on Jan 8, 2012 12:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i thought i was the only one who feels this way
Marty has had some terrible play calls the last two years.
by VRFC8 on Jan 8, 2012 7:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Um...
We finished top 5 in both total offense and rushing. Why would you want a different coordinator?
turnovers, poor game adjustments when the defenae adjusts
But mostly turnovers. If we are going to bury Juan for poor tackling we have to bury Marty for turning the ball over 38 times.
by VRFC8 on Jan 8, 2012 10:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
True
The redzone turnovers were terrible. But remember that we held the lead going into the 4th quarter god-knows how many times. The offense could be improved, but I think barring the red zone turnovers it pretty much did its job. If we could have held on to those leads, we could have at least a 10-5 record.
But they are ifs and buts and coulds. The offense needs to be just as accountable as the defense.
Well to the defense’s credit they were like 2 point leads every time. Not exactly the easiest leads to protect.
Not only that, but in our 5 'blown' 4th Q leads
The offense managed to put up a total of 3 points. And those came when the offense went 3 and out after an Asomugha interception on the opposing 26 yard line.
by deg0ey on Jan 8, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
CHAMPIONSHIP!
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
The fools gold at the end of the season must not save Castillo's job.
We have juan more jackass to kick the hell out of town. Hopefully Howie and Joe kick some ass, firing Mary and Juan as soon as possible.
God Damn you, Andy Reid.
The fat queen has failed us again. Reid must go.
Here, here
Off with their heads !!! Agree with both your choices of Marty and of course Juan.
I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
There was no fools gold at the end of the season. They played bad teams and made bad teams look bad. They did there job. If you want to say that the early losses should cost Castillo his job then fine I can respect that. I just wish people would stop saying the last 4 games don’t count, they were fools gold, look at the qb’s they played ect…. They did there job did it well, they made sure that we did not get beat by bad teams. They made sure when the off. stalled that the other team did not get back into the game. All things they failed to do against other bad teams early in the year.
Rational thinking doesn’t work on eb….
by VRFC8 on Jan 8, 2012 10:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Good teams are supposed to beat bad teams
The difference between good teams like the Packers and Saints and teams like the Eagles is that we can both beat bad teams. But the good teams can beat other good teams, while the Eagles last year struggled against good teams. That is precisely why looking at us beating bad teams can be considered “fool’s gold”.
I don’t know what your trying to say but its confusing. Bottom line is, like Lurie has said, we have no idea how good this team is now. We have no idea what would happen if we played the Packers, Saints, Pats, etc now . Anybody who think’s they do is the real fool.
We lost against the Giants, Niners, and Patriots
all at home. All playoff teams. In addition, we lost against the Bills when they were hot and the Bears pre-Cutler injury. And while we were able to hold it off against the Dolphins, Jets, Cowboys and Redskins to close off the season, we lost to the John Skelton-led Cardinals, and the horrible Seahawks. I’m not expecting us to be a team with a 16-0 record every season, but when we have trouble against teams that we should have easily beaten, that is very worrying to me.
I’m not buying the fact that we needed “time to adjust”. The Texans beat the Bengals with a 5th round rookie in TJ Yates. The Bengals made the playoffs after starting a rookie QB and rookie WR with a whole new offense (Jay Gruden). The Niners went from terrible to #2 seed. With all the talent the Eagles acquired in the offseason, I don’t see any excuse for being worse than these teams.
Like it or not...
Too much change was the reason for the failure. Lurie pointed this out as the primary reason in his opinion and he’s at practice every day. We had new coaches, players, and schemes up and down the team on both sides of the ball in a lockout offseason. Andy was extremely short-sighted to think it could all come together before Week 1.
The Texans haven’t changed their scheme much if at all with Yates.
I don’t know enough about the Bengals or 9ers but I would bet that they haven’t made the total changes the Eagles have on both sides of the ball. And changes they did make, the personel allowed for them to have immediate success with it, which the Eagles did not.
And having said all that...
barring anymore significant changes, I think next year is when we’ll see the real Dream Team.
Yes, but the Texans also brought in Wade Philips
who switched the established 4-3 to a 3-4 in a shortened offseason. Remember how many fans were skeptical of standing up Mario Williams to play as OLB after he was so productive at RDE? Well now the Texans have arguably the best defense in the league.
I don’t think its an issue of too much change, its the issue of adapting to change. We brought in Mudd and Washburn to great effect. Castillo, not so much. We bring in the right guy to coach our defense and we’re set.
Mudd and Washburn were not brought into great effect. The o-line struggled early in the season and contributed to Vick’s turnovers, who was seemingly hitting the dirt at the end of every play. Washburn’s wide-9 got absolutely gashed by the run. I would say the two biggest reasons they started out 1-4.
i've been with you on Andy and Juan - remind me though why you want Marty gone?
because of the turnovers and goal line calls?
or is it his good looks?..:)
by EaglesfaninVA on Jan 8, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
this stinks
The FO better not pawn off Lynn as the problem and leave everything else alone. I can name Juan guy that should already be stripped of his duties. They better sign Spags, now. I’m getting impatient. WTF is taking so long?!? Hire him now so he can get to work!!! He’s got ALOT of work to do.
Crush them, my Birds!!! CRUSH THEM!!!!!!!!!
Just making room for Juan more
… he’ll switch to secondary, he’s always been a secondary kind of guy anyway.. and Spags will take over DC.
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