Ready to move on to the 2012 season
What would your 2012 starting lineup look like ?
I don't see any changes on the 11 starters on offense, I see everyone returning with Desean at least being franchised and Evan Mathis re-signed. So we go with:
- Vick at Qb
- Desean and Maclyn at Wr
- McCoy at Rb
- Brent at TE
- Maybe there's some competition for FB
- Then the line can pretty much be Peters, Mathis, Kelce, Watkins and Herremans, unless Mathis doesn't come back or Herremans goes back to LG.
Now the defense is also pretty much set except for a couple of spots:
- Cole and Babin at D-ends
- Cullen and Patterson (if he's healthy after his surgery) at tackle
- Rolle and Chaney could still be back at LB, we would only be replacing the MLB position.
- Of course, Nnamdi and DRC at corner
- And Allen and either Jarrett or Coleman at safety (maybe they pickup someone at safety in free agency).
So really speaking you have one maybe two spots open at LB and possibly one spot open at Safety, but not much more. Am I right ? Or am I off ? Where is there room to add more starting players ? D-ends are stacked, a possible backup or two at d-tackle with the status of Trevor Laws, Landri and Dixon unknown. Definitely 2 to 3 LB's to add to what we already have, one additional safety, and our corners are pretty solid too with Hanson, Marsh, Hughes and now Lindley back in the fold.
On Offense, a 3rd back behind Lewis. TE's seem to be set with Celek and Harbor (although you can always try to upgrade on the backup). FB - who cares, I'm sure they'll put somebody in there to block. I think they probably invest one or two more draft picks on O-linemen to develop more of what Mudd likes in his linemen. A backup Qb is a MUST, unless Kafka is ready to be the backup then we can draft somebody to groom for the future. Definitely a WR just in case Desean turns into a headcase or is traded. What is the trade value of Desean, what would we get back for him ? A 1st and a 3rd or is that too much ? Not enough ? I would be open to trading him and grabbing a stud receiver early in the 1st round and still have another high pick to get a LB if needed.
So here's my scenario if we end up keeping Desean:
Draft
1st round - LB
2nd round (2 picks) - Qb and Wr
3rd round - O-lineman
4-7 rounds - I'm sure they'll pick up a d-tackle, safety, RB and another o-lineman.
Free Agency
I would go after a big time LB that would fit the scheme, re-sign Mathis and franchise Desean (as stated above). If a really good safety was available, that would be tempting. And I would definitely want another good to great d-tackle in the mix. Other than that, I don't know where we have room to bring in new guys ? There are not too many openings on the team. I like the Mardy Gilyard pickup to replace a Chad Hall as the 5th receiver and returner.
Now if we trade Desean, then we have a lot more choices. It would add at least another 1st rounder to our draft picks and maybe a 3rd or whatever bounty we can get in that trade. With the free agent Wr's, we could sign one of them with the money we were going to give Desean and still have two first rounders to play around with. The possibilities are endless, I wouldn't know what to do with the two 1's. Any ideas ? Think away and share what you would do with the draft / free agency with our needs and if it would be more valuable to trade Desean or to keep him at this point ? I'm not an expert on the draft, nor do I know college players like a lot of you do to know what to do with two 1's, give me some ideas... I can't wait for this off season to unfold, Roseman must be chomping at the bit to get to it.... I just hope he doesn't let us down.
P.S. While we're at it, let's replace Castillo with Spags and Marty with Childress.
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If they don’t love who is there in the first round of the draft, trade the pick for a 1 and a 2 in 2013, so you can get your QBOTF. Gotta spend a 1 on a good QB, and one won’t be available this year when Birds pick.
Oh boy, is this great!
by MayIhave10,000marblesplease? on Jan 6, 2012 9:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Our pick won’t get a 1 AND 2. Maybe a 1and a 3?
by Saidrick on Jan 6, 2012 10:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know about that
in 2008 we got a 2nd, a 4th, and and a 2009 1st for the 19th pick in the draft. This year we would be offering the 15th pick.
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
by no1pipelayer on Jan 6, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Keep in mind the value of Picks has gone down because of the Rookie Wage Scale.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
The value of pick has gone up, because teams won’t go broke on an early pick if they’re a bust. They have to spend less money so that makes them less likely to trade unless they get an offer that blows them away.
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by EagleGreeninMD on Jan 9, 2012 7:59 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, my logic was backwards.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
If they trade their 1st rounder, that would really piss off the fans. I think they are win now mode and can’t do that, they can pick up a Qb later, but whatever they need to do (move up or down in the 1st) to add an instant impact player, they have to do this year.
Lurie: Fire, fire !
Banner: Where ?
Lurie: In Andy Reid's Belly.
Banner: Oh, is that what it is, and it seems to be growing. But how did you find out ?
Lurie: Well, I did an analysis and talked to some people outside of the organization.
Banner: Well, then it must be right, you're a genius !
Lurie: Thanks, btw, you get a pay raise next year for being $5 mill. under the cap for this year, great job !
Banner: Ha ha, thanks.
(And they both laugh all the way to the bank. In other unrelated news, there have been reports of Eagles fans all over the Delaware Valley pulling their hair out.)
How about
If we traded Desean for a high 1st round pick and then grab Blackmon from OSU and still have the other 1st rounder to get a Luke Kuechly if that’s who they’re targeting. And to be on the safe side we can like a Vincent Jackson or Marques Colston thru free-agency, that would be a formidable receiving corps.
Desean’s value to the team has definitely dropped in my eyes, he’s probably most valuable now in a trade. Let’s get something for him while we still can. I hope they don’t stretch it out another year and it becomes a circus next year and then we don’t get much back for him the year later.
I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
Nobody is going to trade a high first round pick for DeSean. There are very few players in the league who would garner a high first round pick in a trade.
by The Mad Hopper on Jan 7, 2012 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe Julian Vandevelde would go for a high first rounder.
Oh boy, is this great!
by MayIhave10,000marblesplease? on Jan 7, 2012 9:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Desean is a game-breaker and is a top notch wr, you just have to find the right team…
I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
I hear the Calgary Stampeders need to improve team speed. They would give up a high first rounder for DeSean.
Oh boy, is this great!
by MayIhave10,000marblesplease? on Jan 7, 2012 9:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ha ha
too bad they’re in the wrong league… there’s always a sucker out there, too bad the raiders are picking after us this year…
I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
I think Blackmon goes number two( I know, bad pun) to the rams.
by Saidrick on Jan 7, 2012 11:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh, I didn’t know he would go that high.
I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
by Eagladelphia on Jan 7, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Okay
scratch that idea then, won’t be able to get up that high. What’s you take, keep Desean or trade him ?
I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
In an ideal world, keep him
as well as mathis, maybe go out and sign a veteran SAM and draft a MIKE or vice versa. I honestly don’t care for DeSean Jackson anymore so letting him walk wouldn’t do anything for me. My main concern is keeping Mathis and IMO Mathis is more valuable to our team than DeSean at this point. If we COULD trade him, I could see a 2nd round pick for us then maybe we package that second and something else to move up and take a solid WR like Jeffery, Floyd or Sanu.
Yeah, I don’t care much for Desean either, but there is no way they just let him walk, he’s getting franchised for sure and then we’ll see…
I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
Yeah
I think it’s either make him happy now or let someone else pay an exorbitant amount of money on speed
Knowing the Eagles
They won’t let him get away for nothing, there is no chance of that, they’ll try to get as much out of trading him as possible. I have to respectfully disagree with you here my friend.
I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
At least we went to the Super Bowl with Childress at the o-coordinator, with much lesser talent on the offense.
I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
by Eagladelphia on Jan 7, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Umm Marty's lead an O that's set Records....
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Look at the players under the two though, it has more to do with the talent level then the offensive coordinator, imo.
I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
No way. Marty calls a good game.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Marty scripts a good game...
He’s a great planner, but i wouldn’t exactly call him a great play caller. Both OC’s have their strengths and weaknesses, but some sort of combination of the two would make them elite.
Also, if you’re going to try and compare the talent of the two, you have to look at the quality of the teams they’re playing. In the end, they both are pretty much equal. Both have done a good job for the Eagles, neither far and away better than the other. (obviously not at you W_E)
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jan 10, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I know it wasn't directed at me.
I’d say stick with Marty because his system is already in place. You don’t improve with Childress.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Cassel went for the first pick in the 2nd round in a similar situation and he was a QB that had just had success
I suspect DJAX would garner a late 2nd rounder, maybe less after this season. You tend not to build around that kind of outside threat, so you’ld be sending him to a pretty good team. The Texans for example would probably love to get someone opposite Andre Johnson. But would you really want to make that offense more powerful?
Personally I think you guys should sign him, he’s a true big play threat, and you have the bigger WR to play opposite him. If he goes, I’m pretty sure Tom Coughlin, Tom Quinn and Perry Fewell go out for a little party. I Know I won’t miss him at all.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
We should have won that first Giants game, thanks for the reminder.
I’ve had enough of D-Jack, he is a diva and a future team cancer in the making, need to get rid of him NOW. His unwillingness to play hard and give it all this year, cost the team dearly this year, possible a chance to make the playoffs. We just need great value back for him if we’re going to trade him.
I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
I dot think he’s a team cancer but he’s definately a diva.
I'm great like Gatsby.
by Clint Eastwood on Jan 8, 2012 8:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hmmm those two positions contradict each other
If he’s a team cancer and he has to be gone, then you should be less concerned about what he brings back. When Shockey went postal, we dealt him pretty quickly, and if you believe Amani Toomer, it was the best thing we could do.
The problem for the Eagles is that everyone knows the situation. If you’re the GM for another team and you see what happened this year with him and Santonio Holmes and Brandon Marshall in Miami are you really importing another teams diva for anything more than half value? I’d be shocked if someone wanted to give you more than a 3rd and then sign him to a full value free agent contract.
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16
Hmmm those two positions contradict each other
Boom, you described Eagla perfectly in one sentence.
Formerly DeSean10
36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green
"i was never back on (the Eagles' bandwagon)… they’ll go 8-8 at best and Reid should be fired at the end of the season…. and all you loyalists will be crying your eyes out… and jumping off ledges cuz u didn’t see it coming" - Eagladelphia
Franchise Desean...
Package a trade of him and Asante….
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
it was a complete joke...
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jan 8, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
Im really excited for next year
We had a lot of drama this year with Castillo and Jackson. This year we should know whos our WR"s, whos our CB’s, and whos our coaches without all the question marks. We will have a full offseason to take care of what we need to and focus on football. NO EXCUSES NEXT YEAR!!!!
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