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Eagles 2012 Roster, Cap, Draft and needs.

Having gotten fed up with the talk of about coaching changes I was talking to some friends about what we thought the Eagles would look like in 2012 . Having flicked across to www.eaglescap.com and had a look at how the cap was looking for 2012 we pretty much thought the eagles where looking in great shape. But then we started to break down the details and we suddenly realised this is a pretty tough off season to balance. So this is how we broke down the roster going into 2012. I am not going to name FA's or Draft picks because I have no idea who is really available, so instead I am going to look at it by rolls.

Firstly the 2012 roster as it stands now excluding recently added practice squad/camp bodies:

QB:

Michael Vick

$13,900,000

DE:

Jason Babin

$5,200,000

Mike Kafka

$656,625

Trent Cole

$4,000,000

RB:

LeSean McCoy

$957,500

Darryl Tapp

$3,575,000

Dion Lewis

$512,000

Brandon Graham

$2,543,120

WR:

Jeremy Maclin

$2,351,370

Phillip Hunt

$465,000

Jason Avant

$2,210,000

DT:

Mike Patterson

$4,052,000

Riley Cooper

$582,875

Cullen Jenkins

$4,000,000

TE:

Brent Celek

$3,184,000

LB:

Casey Mathews

$574,000

Clay Harbor

$653,250

Jamar Chaney

$555,000

OT:

Jason Peters

$8,250,000

Moise Fokuo

$577,438

Winston Justice

$4,256,000

Keenan Clayton

$656,698

Todd Herremans

$2,633,333

Brian Rolle

$489,000

OG:

Danny Watkins

$1,892,830

Akeem Jordan

$700,000

Julian Vandervelde

$505,000

CB:

Nnamdi Asamugah

$11,300,000

C:

Jammal Jackson

$1,875,000

Asante Samuel

$9,500,000

Jason Kelce

$490,000

D Rodgers-Cromartie

$1,128,750

Joselio Hanson

$1,050,000

ST's

Alex Henery

$571,000

Curtis Marsh

$635,750

Chas Henry

$465,000

Brandon Hughes

$540,000

Jon Dorenbos

$908,333

S:

Nate Allen

$1,140,000

Total Cap:

$101.4m

Jaiquawn Jarrett

$817,830

All Values from

Kurt Coleman

$550,850

www.Eaglescap.com

Colt Anderson

$540,000

Star-divide

Free Agents:

Owen Schmitt

King Dunlap

DeSean Jackson

Evan Mathis

Juqua Parker

Trevor Laws

Derek Landri

Antonio Dixon

Free agents eagles will probably resign (values are generous gut estimates)

Owen Schmitt ~minimum

King Dunlap ~1-2m (I think we keep him due to his versatility across the Oline)

Derek Landri ~1-2m

Evan Mathis ~2-4m (Having been rated the best guard in football by PFF his value

This will give us a 46 man roster in the region of $108m I am going to ignore people like Chad Hall and Cedric Thornton which have been signed onto the team during the season from a cap perspective since they will probably be competing with draft picks for places on the team.

My guess is that the eagles will waive/trade Asante Samuel and Winston Justice giving us around -$13m in salary but nearly $4m in dead money. Giving us $9m cap relief. We also will nearly certainly fill up the roster with draft picks at a minimum cost of around $4m leaving us with a retained roster of around $103m

Now I don't know the 2012 cap - I am going to throw out a number around $125million. Assuming some wriggle room for mid season additions that gives roughly $20million in cap space. Initially that looks like the eagles are in a pretty good place from a cap perspective, but we have some hard choices ahead.

I think there are 2 players the front office will be looking to give extensions before the end of the 2012 season. Firstly the eagles need to pay LeSean McCoy! Ignoring Shady should be impossible for the front office.. Secondly with the CB franchise tag being so high we will probably want to extend DRC mid season if he is performing to a decent level. Now the eagles have never liked to defer large parts of the salary with huge signing fee's and low base salary. Especially when in 2013 we will need new deals for Maclin and maybe Cole, and the prospect of having to rebuild the roster if we stink it up like this year, I cant see the FO letting Andy go crazy.

So these moves will probably take at least $10m from the cap.

That gives around $10m for Free agency.

There are 2 different sets of needs for the team this off season, things we have to get because we don't have them and things we need upgrade.

Roster needs:

2nd or 3rd QB (FO needs to decide if Kafka is a legitimate no2 for Vick)

3rd Running Back

No 1 WR

5th WR

OL Depth

DT rotational player (depth)

Upgrades to Roster by importance:

MLB

SAM LB

Kick returner.

Safty

Now I believe we can address 3rd RB, 5th WR and OL depth with the back end of the draft or UDFA and will not address them again. I think we will have to tough it out at Safety as I don't see how we will have the ability to significantly improve the position with all our other needs.

That leaves a No.1 type WR, LB upgrades, DT, Kick returner and possibly a No2 QB. Now that is a lot of needs to address with your 1st and 2nd rounds (do we have 3rd round picks under Andy Reid?) and FA. I think there are only 2 realistic ways this can work out.

Sign top FA/trade WR:

That very well could be Desean, a figure of around $8-$10m pretty much wipes out our cap for all of free agency. Even if we don't go for Jackson and go to the rather stacked free agent class of WR this year I think we will struggle to get someone able to take a No1 WR role for less than $8m.

That leaves the eagles in the position where they will need to draft the rest of their needs. With a draft maybe looking like: 1st round LB. 2nd round DT 2nd round QB 3rd round being the best available LB left. Kick returner would have to be a undersized specialist from the later rounds. The problem with this approach is that you often will have to reach to get all the roles you need, and have little or no margin for error with this.

2nd Option: Fix QB and LB with FA/Trade maybe DT

If the Andy does not think that Kafka is ready we will need to bring in a vet QB to cover Vick, now whoever he chooses will probably cost in VY's price range to bring in. That would leave the eagles probably looking to Fix LB with a trade or FA.

We would be entering the draft with pretty much a filled roster except 1 need. Now its hard to say at this stage how the draft boards are shaping up but we will probably need to move up to get a player we can realistically rely on in their first year at WR. The only other option is to take a risk on a high reward but question marked player.

I think this off season could be a challenging one for the Eagles, there is a way to get this roster up to a really high level but with our Offensive play makers moving towards the big contracts they deserve we need to make tough choices on how we can keep improving this team.

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First of all, you can cut tapp. So that salary is gone.

You might see dorenbos gone as well. Both have no dead money. Jamal Jackson Gone… Now your ready to do your cap adjustment. I would say Jackson and Tapp are def gone, Dorenbos maybe

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by the-vet on Jan 5, 2012 9:47 PM EST reply actions  

why do you want to get rid of Tapp so bad?

by mgrisez on Jan 6, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

that’s 3.5 mil for a rotational guy that we don’t really need. let a rookie or cheaper FA take his spot.

by ieatcrayons on Jan 6, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Why would Dorenbos be gone??

by groot on Jan 6, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

If were in a salary crunch

I just can’t justify paying him almost 1 million to snap the ball

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by the-vet on Jan 6, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

The 2003 Giants laugh at you

by Mc5 on Jan 7, 2012 4:50 AM EST up reply actions  

the difference in money to cut him and sign a cheaper LS is minimal, that would be a pointless move

Last name Ever
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#PayDeSeanJackson

by Djax10 on Jan 8, 2012 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I want to sign mcnabb as a back up

by con-vick on Jan 5, 2012 10:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

to Kafka ?

Lurie: Fire, fire !
Banner: Where ?
Lurie: In Andy Reid's Belly.
Banner: Oh, is that what it is, and it seems to be growing. But how did you find out ?
Lurie: Well, I did an analysis and talked to some people outside of the organization.
Banner: Well, then it must be right, you're a genius !
Lurie: Thanks, btw, you get a pay raise next year for being $5 mill. under the cap for this year, great job !
Banner: Ha ha, thanks.
(And they both laugh all the way to the bank. In other unrelated news, there have been reports of Eagles fans all over the Delaware Valley pulling their hair out.)

by Eagladelphia on Jan 6, 2012 2:57 AM EST up reply actions  

piss off

McNabb SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And is a horrible media sound byte guy. Always creating controversy.

At least one more year of Andy and Juan. If they don't win it all they both better be gone!

by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 7, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Antonio Dixon

is a RFA, he will probably be back as he is one of the younger DT’s with good upside.

by mgrisez on Jan 6, 2012 9:30 AM EST reply actions  

Expect a couple more people to be gone

Jamaal Jackson
A couple of linebackers (my suspicion is Jordan and Fokou)

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by Rabbit T on Jan 6, 2012 10:30 AM EST reply actions  

I want them to re-sign DeSean and next year just let Maclin go. I feel like Maclin has a skill set that is easier to replace than DeSean’s. I would even feel comfortable with trading Maclin this season and plugging in Avant with Cooper and a FA like Legedu Naanee or someone like that.

by ieatcrayons on Jan 6, 2012 10:31 AM EST reply actions  

While ignoring the rest of this post...

If DeSean walks, there are some WR FA’s who WON’T cost the Eagles $8 million a year. Even though they’re not WR1’s, we could get a decent WR option who compliments Maclin and fill DeSean’s role in this offense (although the only FA who can do as well as DeSean with stretching the field is Mike Wallace, and, sadly, we won’t be landing him). Just to throw out a couple names, the Eagles could take a flyer on a Brandon Lloyd or Robert Meachem at a relatively inexpensive price, and wouldn’t take a huge cap hit. With Maclin, Celek, Shady, and Avant and Cooper, this team already has enough decent weapons that they don’t necessarily need a stud WR like a Vincent Jackson or Dwayne Bowe to put up points. I’d rather they spend $8-10 million on linebacking than spending $8-10 million on receiving when our corps is already relatively deep.

That being said, in an ideal world I’d rather they just re-sign DeSean at a reasonable price.

by teezy33 on Jan 6, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Also like Pierre Garcon as a cheaper option if DeSean leaves.

by teezy33 on Jan 7, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Pierre Garcon is like shit compared to Desean

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

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by wild_eagle on Jan 9, 2012 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Truthfully,

Given DeSean’s skill set, most of the WR’s in the league are like shit compared to him, that’s why we’re having this discussion about paying him $8 million per year…

I never implied they were on the same talent level, rather that he would be a decent value signing if we lost DeSean, and the rest of the WR corps is deep enough to pick up the slack.

by teezy33 on Jan 9, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

If we lose Desean I want Vincent Jackson.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jan 9, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

If he signs with the Eagles, it will most likely mean that they have the money to pay DeSean but they’ve elected to invest it in V-Jax instead. If they’re shelling out in the $8 to $10 mil a year range, they better be signing Vincent, and not DeSean Jackson…

by teezy33 on Jan 9, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Maclin's 20x the WR Desean dreams of being.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jan 7, 2012 2:07 AM EST up reply actions  

uh...

Crazy Bout The Green…you must be new. W_E is a BGN original.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Jan 7, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Um? Me? Are you fucking crazy?

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jan 9, 2012 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

Maclin is better than Jackson. Eatcrayons and huff glue

At least one more year of Andy and Juan. If they don't win it all they both better be gone!

by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 7, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

We gotta bring back Dixon and Landri. I’m not sure about Schmitt though.

by ieatcrayons on Jan 6, 2012 10:34 AM EST reply actions  

In your calculations...

Did you factor in Ronnie Brown, Vince Young, and Steve Smith, who are all FA’s and likely gone?

by teezy33 on Jan 6, 2012 3:33 PM EST reply actions  

There’s no way we’ll spend as much on a back-up as we did on Vince Young. He cost 5 million dollars, no other back-up gets paid anything close to that, unless we do go out and try to get McNabb or someone like that which would be a waste of money.

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Go Dawgs!

by KeepSwinging on Jan 7, 2012 11:22 AM EST reply actions  

We paid $5 Million dollars for Vince Young?

That was $555,555.00 per interception. What a bargain.

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by IggleGreen on Jan 8, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

haha not even a mention of SS11

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by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 7, 2012 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

I wonder how he’ll look in camp next year. If he can recover or if he’s really done.

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by IggleGreen on Jan 8, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

For the backup QB, we should just draft Russell Wilson in the 3rd/4th round. He’s perfect for Vick to tutor, as another mobile QB with a big arm who’s hampered by his height. Also great leadership abilities. I’m perfectly happy to let him and Kafka duke it out for QB2.

Also, I find it hilarious, but also somewhat sad that Akeem Jordan is our highest paid LB.

I'll give you a cookie if you know what my pic is from.

by Avant-Garde on Jan 8, 2012 3:58 AM EST reply actions  

This about Russell Wilson that kid can play QB and we don’t have to waste a high draft pick for him

#HireSpags

Come on Andy

Shady McCoy is Still Dirty

Ravens 4 SB '12

by rohan915 on Jan 8, 2012 5:52 AM EST up reply actions  

If the Eagles are smart they will draft wilson, sadly they aren’t.

I felt like destroying something beautiful

by drc242 on Jan 9, 2012 2:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Nnamdi better step it up next season… the thought of losing Asante when I feel he’s the better between the two has me a little light-headed.

by EagleinDC on Jan 10, 2012 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

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