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Keeping Castillo the Right Call

Seven new starters on defense, plus one new scheme, minus an offseason.

That's as easy as math gets.

The 2011 Eagles season was doomed from the start. Continuity and preparation are too important in this sport. A miserable start for the defense coupled with a banged up Mike Vick and some bad luck to put the team into a hole that would become their grave. And while fans looked feverishly for a scapegoat, the offensive line coach turned defensive coordinator became the easiest choice.

But in the words of Lee Corso, "Not so fast my friend."

Star-divide

To overhaul the defensive staff, specifically coordinator Juan Castillo, would have incited the same issues for 2012. Many fans clammored for Steve Spagnoulo, a former Eagles assistant cut from the Jim Johnson "blitz first" mold. Whether it was he or another established coordinator, it would have presented a litany of issues.

One, it would have meant, either, defensive line coach Jim Washburn's Wide 9 be scrapped, or the new coordinator changing his philosophies around to accomodate it. If it was scrapped, it may have resulted in an unhappy Washburn, or a less effective Jason Babin, the sack expert who thrives in the system. It the new coordinator implemented it, it may have made the scheme he ran less effective. For example, Spagnuolo specializes as a blitz artist. But with the gaps created by the defensive alignment, linebackers positioning is vital to run defense. A blitzing WILL behind Trent Cole would have meant even more gashing runs. So Spagnuolo may be forced to be less aggresive, and people doing things other than what they are comfortable with is never a good idea.

And let's not forget, too, how well the defense played down the stretch. From the Miami game onward, opponents gained only 265 yards per game and averaged just 11.5 points. The push at the end of the year made this the 8th best defense for the season, better than the Cowboys, Giants, and Redskins. Really.

I will concede that he looked overmatched at times. Fine. But the noteworthy improvements means that the players are buying in. The system Washburn and Castillo have implemented does work. The Titans have run it for years with great results.

But the most important reason supporting retaining Castillo is this; your players won't believe in something that the coach doesn't believe in. Andy Reid said during his press conference Tuesday that Castillo's job security, or lack thereof, was never discussed this offseason. He is firmly behind is guy, because he knows that if he is hesitant, the ment who follow him will notice. He knows that with a full offseason to work on it, results will speak for themselves.

Reid has always been this way. He knows what's right, and doesn't care what people on the outside think. He knows that overreacting is part of being a fan, that over analyzing is a part of being in the media, but he refuses to let them sway him. He has had poor years before, and he just stays the course, and shows everyone that he knows what's best for this football team. And he will show us again in 2012.

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Nice start here

I may be biased because I agree with you, but well done nevertheless.

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by AnthroEagle on Jan 31, 2012 6:05 PM EST reply actions  

Definitely. A good first start.

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by bdawk4ever on Jan 31, 2012 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Way to be ballsy for your first post

and take what’s likely an unpopular (at BGN) stance.

As long as it’s well argued, most us can and will respect whatever stance you take.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 1, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I’d like to believe that this stance is firmly held by the majority, though they remain mostly silent.

by Wokjab on Feb 1, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Great start and welcome

Look forward to more articles from you

by Two Nickels on Feb 1, 2012 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

The NFL is not "defense minded" anymore...

and I am pretty okay with Castillo doing an “okay” job on defense.

We have to show spark on offense if we are going to get serious post season looks. That’s on the play of the qb and ball handlers.

You want to point to the reason we sucked? Check out how many times we turned the ball over on offense…

Then tell me the defense hosed our season…
Really?

by milroyigglesfan on Jan 31, 2012 6:11 PM EST reply actions  

But it wasn’t just about the turnovers as far as the offensive ineptitude at times. Do you remember the utterly ridiculous play-calling we saw at the beginning of the year. Why aren’t there posts calling for MM’s head. What about the horrible protection Vick was getting early on that lead to some bad throws and his injuries? The head scratching offensive penalties in the redsone? All I hear is QB this and receivers that but being shitty on offense was a group effort.

I gotta stop having kids...

by EaglesandRavensFan on Jan 31, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

There should be calls for MM's head

For the “let’s make Mike Vick a pocket passer!” initiative.

by UnclaimedFright on Jan 31, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely. It wasn’t just the turnovers in the fourth quarters- it was downright suckitude.

And until Watkins took over, the protection was a mess.

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by bdawk4ever on Jan 31, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I love that guy

I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
Dwight Howard is coming to Philly. Maybe. Probably not. But we can at least hope, that's all we have.

by Eagladelphia on Jan 31, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 31, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m of the opinion that looking at only the “down the stretch” games is usually a case of selection bias. It seems like a particularly bad idea in football, given that 16 games is already a small enough sample to work with. And it seems even more dubious when so many of the games in the latter part of the season were against poor teams.

Yes, Reid is a very good coach who doesn’t deserve the biting criticism he gets from certain segments. And Castillo is a hard worker who might turn out to be decent in 2012. Still, if it’s up to me, he’s fired. That doesn’t mean I think he’s the worst coach ever, or that I think the team is doomed to suck without him.

by Rujasu on Jan 31, 2012 6:14 PM EST reply actions  

8th ranked defense in 2011

That’s over 16 games. I hear the arguement about the last games not being indicative of improvement due to the quality of the foes, but overall, 8th ranked defense should be playoff capable. Hell, w/ the 2 teams in the superbowl, it’s superbowl capable.

The turnovers, lack of a commitment to run the ball to give our D a rest, and inability to sustain drives is why we ended up 8-8. And that’s on the O, not Juan.

by TColeMonster on Jan 31, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree with this.

The offense needs to step it up.
Also this is going to get flamed so hard

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by Udalango on Jan 31, 2012 6:15 PM EST reply actions  

Yup.

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by AnthroEagle on Jan 31, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

i think

we need more turnovers!!!!

by Stuk on Feb 1, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Fuck this.

The bad news? Castillo's back.

The good news? With the 7-9 season coming up and all the Eagles games being played at 1:00 (and in the bag for the opponent by 2:30 at the latest), we'll all have plenty of time to rake the leaves and whack off. Stock up on your Astro Glide, ladies!

by EvilBanner on Jan 31, 2012 6:17 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

What did you expect

First Jeff Lurie gave us a whole bunch of crap and now Reid…. but I still have hope for next year despite of the Eagles organization…

I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
Dwight Howard is coming to Philly. Maybe. Probably not. But we can at least hope, that's all we have.

by Eagladelphia on Jan 31, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

welcome to the BGN

this post I am sure will have quite the impact. That being said, I agree with the continuity that is needed in any successful franchise. The results for next year will be the deciding factor of whther or not the Castillo hiring was the correct call.

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by Talon Talent on Jan 31, 2012 6:19 PM EST reply actions  

It's what you people juanted.

The bad news? Castillo's back.

The good news? With the 7-9 season coming up and all the Eagles games being played at 1:00 (and in the bag for the opponent by 2:30 at the latest), we'll all have plenty of time to rake the leaves and whack off. Stock up on your Astro Glide, ladies!

by EvilBanner on Jan 31, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

haiku! haiku! haiku!

"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins

" Lifes a bitch, but God forbid the bitch divorce me" Nas

"A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing."

by Talon Talent on Jan 31, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Done.

Fanposts.

The bad news? Castillo's back.

The good news? With the 7-9 season coming up and all the Eagles games being played at 1:00 (and in the bag for the opponent by 2:30 at the latest), we'll all have plenty of time to rake the leaves and whack off. Stock up on your Astro Glide, ladies!

by EvilBanner on Jan 31, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

rec'd

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by snowhill82 on Feb 1, 2012 2:28 AM EST up reply actions  

A lot of people beg(which I doubt he did) for a job that they aren’t qualified for. The onus for that is on Andy, not Juan.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jan 31, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

The shtick has grown old.

So stale…. I Juan to whine like a bitch.

by DiegoKing on Jan 31, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Wow. Worst.

I like turtles.

by Bleediots on Jan 31, 2012 7:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed.

It is the Juan Castillo of thread comments.

The bad news? Castillo's back.

The good news? With the 7-9 season coming up and all the Eagles games being played at 1:00 (and in the bag for the opponent by 2:30 at the latest), we'll all have plenty of time to rake the leaves and whack off. Stock up on your Astro Glide, ladies!

by EvilBanner on Jan 31, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with people

who say the defense improved at the end of the season against teams that were less than top-notch talent, but meaningless? Really? They were still fighting for (really slim) playoff hopes up until Q1 of the game in Big D. I was screaming and cursing at Juan more year as soon as I felt it was inevitable (Spags to Nola), but the more I think about it the more it seems like a decent idea.

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by StoneColeKiller58 on Jan 31, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not all on Juan

Let’s not all pretend in hindsight that the defense was the only problem on this team or that it was the only reason for the fourth quarter collapses.

It was one reason for sure… but how many times did we also see the offense go dormant or commit a killer turnover late in the game? They were just as culpable, if not more.

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by JasonB on Feb 1, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

5 4 quarter losses.

Offense- 3 points.

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by bdawk4ever on Feb 1, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok how many points did the OFFENSE SCORE in those 4th quarter collapses

Better yet how many 2nd half points? Ill wait but suspect you wont reply because it kills your argument of “Juan is the anti-christ”

by VRFC8 on Feb 1, 2012 8:13 AM EST up reply actions  

No offseason idiot!

Look at the beginning of the write up…….he put on there why the season was a disaster. Sure the played well against bad teams in the end. But those bad teams were the ones we were also losing too at the beginning of the season.

Think a little bit.

by slandog on Feb 1, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

And let's not forget the brilliant idea of starting Casey Matthews without anyone else getting a crack at MLB.

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by snowhill82 on Jan 31, 2012 6:20 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

To me...

This was the most egregious fuck-up. It doesn’t matter how much (misguided) confidence Castillo and the coaches had in Matthews’ ability to be an immediate starter — it’s the fact that the front office didn’t even bring in anyone to COMPETE and CHALLENGE him for the job. The Eagles always champion competition during training camp, and then they pull that shit? Are you kidding me? What a joke. It was hypocrisy at its most galling, made no fucking sense, and was totally inexcusable.

I just hope the next regime doesn’t conceitedly think it’s smarter than everyone else, about everything, all the time.

by thehorah on Feb 1, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Milroy, I agree with you, the turnovers definitely killed the season for than any other single factor.

Rujasu, it’s not just the last quater of the year stats. the defense just seemed to play faster and harder at the end of the year. It was like, it took them a while to really understand the scheme to the point where it was second nature, and once they did, they could just play, not think. Thats what I think 2012 will look like.

by Ben_Larivee on Jan 31, 2012 6:21 PM EST reply actions  

You have to take into account who they were playing against.

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by KByars on Jan 31, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure you do. But you can’t completely discount the end of year either. That’s going too far.

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by bdawk4ever on Jan 31, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Any amount of improvement is not necessarily adequate improvement.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Jan 31, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yesterday my fever was 107.

Today it was 106.

It’s better, but I am still going to die.

The bad news? Castillo's back.

The good news? With the 7-9 season coming up and all the Eagles games being played at 1:00 (and in the bag for the opponent by 2:30 at the latest), we'll all have plenty of time to rake the leaves and whack off. Stock up on your Astro Glide, ladies!

by EvilBanner on Jan 31, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Exactly.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Jan 31, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Except that its a step in the right directions.

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by bdawk4ever on Feb 1, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Getting a tiny better isn’t much consolation if you’re still going to die amid seizures and hallucinations.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Feb 1, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Except they proved they weren’t just a tiny bit better but a lot better.

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by bdawk4ever on Feb 1, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Nope.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Feb 1, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow, great argument there. Except you’re wrong.

They improved. Its a fact.

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by bdawk4ever on Feb 1, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Not enough. It’s a fact.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Feb 1, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Okay. So prove me wrong.

4 wins against bad competition: less than 10 points/game. Before? They sucked. THAT’S a very good improvement.

So no, its not a fact they didn’t improve enough. THAT’S A FACT.

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by bdawk4ever on Feb 1, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Nope, they didn’t improve enough. Beating up on awful teams doesn’t make you competent. That’s a fact.
I like arguing you like you do. It’s much easier. That’s also a fact.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Feb 1, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually it's an opinion

But why the hell I would involve myself in this fray is beyond me.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 1, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Hush you. We’re calling things facts.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Feb 1, 2012 12:48 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Actually it does make them competent. Not great, but good.

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by bdawk4ever on Feb 1, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

not ok greatbut ok good ok good great but not great ok just good ok great

Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.

by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST

by packimop on Feb 1, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Not the worst good, but the best bad, which still isn’t good enough.
Fact.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Feb 1, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

But its not just any. Its good improvement.

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by bdawk4ever on Feb 1, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Nope.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Feb 1, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep, it was good improvement. Actually damn good improvement.

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by bdawk4ever on Feb 1, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Nope, miniscule improvement.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Feb 1, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Not vast, but not miniscule. A substantial improvement. Prove me wrong.

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by bdawk4ever on Feb 1, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Miniscule. It’s a fact. Prove me wrong.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Feb 1, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I hear you, but if I may reference another sport here, great second half performances always make me think of 2001 Robert Person. Any Phillies fan knows how he turned out in 2002. So I don’t always put a ton of stock in second half performances.

Not to say there haven’t been positive signs, or that all hope is lost and they’ll be terrible, just that I’m skeptical of them actually being significantly better.

by Rujasu on Jan 31, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

the post that broke the camels back

I gotta stop having kids...

by EaglesandRavensFan on Jan 31, 2012 6:24 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Well now we know what we are getting next year.

This is my home town team. I root for them and support them. We are going into a new season with JC as our DC. I, for one, am going to stand by him and Andy because I really have no choice. Let’s hope Ben is right. I have said many of the things that Ben has said, even before last season began. But Snowhill has his point, too.

No matter how this plays out, my Iggles get my support. If you think they sucked this year, you should have seen them play in the 1970’s and 80’s.

Whoever you are, when I log off, you cease to exist.

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by IggleGreen on Jan 31, 2012 6:25 PM EST reply actions  

100% agreed.

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by AnthroEagle on Jan 31, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

please................

don’t make me relive the 70’s and 80’s………..
cept of course i would only be 15-25 yrs old,hmmmmmmmmmm not to bad a deal ,sign me up.

It's never easy being an Eagle fan........but I'll be damned if I ever stop.

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by JJeaglerooter on Jan 31, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I won't make you remember them...

…but anyone who hasn’t seen it should watch the movie Invincible. The beginning of the movie, when Vince Papale and his friends are watching the Eagles sit on the ball in the last quarter of the last game of a terrible season. With the stands almost empty except for the die hard boo birds. It was like being a Lions fan three years ago. A Saints fan back when they were the New Orleans Aints.

If I stuck with the Iggles through those years, (granted I was just a kid and didn’t know any better), putting up with an 8-8 season is a walk in the park. Juan may have had a tough first year, but we aren’t going back to the bad old days, JJ.

NFW. Go Iggles!

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by IggleGreen on Jan 31, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair Enough

But still, didn’t they just look like a different team on defense? Like it all clicked, and now they could just play? I know it was against poor QBs, but a level of play is a level of play. They got scorched by John Skelton, and I tyhink those days are long behind us. And thanks

by Ben_Larivee on Jan 31, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

My personal preference would be for a defensive coordinator that has a strong track record over a reasonable period of time, not a guy that showed promise over the last 25% of one season against terrible offenses.

by JimmyK on Jan 31, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Again, touche.

but this is where we are now, and I think it can work. Starting over on defense likely means another step back in 2012.

by Ben_Larivee on Jan 31, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we all would agree with that. But that guy wasn’t out there.

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by bdawk4ever on Jan 31, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

See, I don’t think it has to be a guy who has actually been a DC before. I’d be fully behind hiring Bowles as the DC — having the decorated positional coaches and the green DC like this just seems like they’re building the house upside-down.

As an aside, I think Spagnuolo might have been more willing to come on board if he was the sole DC and had the freedom to pick his own positional coaches. But it might not have mattered, and it’s a dead issue at this point.

by Rujasu on Jan 31, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

But would you be okay with getting rid of Washburn?

Would yet another year of changing the scheme be okay?

Who would be better than Juan? Really?

To me, changing in one year is a panic move. Its stupid and it will only hurt the club in the log run.

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by bdawk4ever on Feb 1, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think people blame Washburn enough

As much as we all love the guy, he is the reason we have Juan Castillo as DC.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 1, 2012 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Nope, that falls squarely on Reid.

He hired him, he wanted him, knowing full well that Wasburn wasn’t going to be the defensive coordinator in the first place just so he could upgrade (which he most certainly did..Segrest..). Blaming Washburn for Andy’s screwing of the pooch by promoting his offensive line coach to defensive coordinator is asinine.

by DiegoKing on Feb 1, 2012 3:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Disagree

I’d rather focus on the word “reason” than “blame.” I’m not a big blame guy, and the thought of screwing a pooch makes me sick.

The deal is we wanted Washburn, and hired him first. He doesn’t want to be DC but he wants autonomy to run his scheme; Therefore we had to hire a DC who would be amenable to that.

You can’t blame DCs with clout for having better choices and taking them instead of having a subordinate coach dictate 1/3 of the defensive scheme.

In the end, Washburn is as much responsible for the overall performance of the defense because of this, and he skates because his guys get a lot of sacks.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 2, 2012 12:50 AM EST up reply actions  

So What

Matt Moore and the Dolphins were giving teams hell. Jets were still in the playoff run and Sanchez has been to two afc champions. we were going to beat the Cowboys with McGee or Romo throwing the ball. At the end of the day they all are NFL teams with NFL quaterbacks

by keem531 on Jan 31, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The power of words.

Mark Sanchez has been to two AFC Championships, but to use that as some measuring stick of his skill as a QB is… well, fool’s gold.

by UnclaimedFright on Jan 31, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure I’d go as far as to say Matt Moore “gave teams hell,” and let’s cut the AFC Championship stuff. Mark Sanchez was an abomination this season.

by JimmyK on Jan 31, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The Dolphins and Jets were 22nd and 25th in the NFL in total offense, respectively. Matt Moore left the game in the 2nd quarter, and was replaced by JP Losman. Mark Sanchez was 23rd in the league in passer rating this year. The Cowboys lost Romo and his 102.5 passer rating after two passes, to be replaced by Stephen McGee, for whom this was his 3rd NFL game. And the Redskins were starting Rex Grossman, who led the league in picks/attempt. You simply cannot deny that these offense were the dregs of the league, and not representative at all of what a real NFL offense looks like.

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by Avant-Garde on Jan 31, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Solid post

I’m with you, I never said any of them were any good lol

by Ben_Larivee on Jan 31, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

See, what I object to is seeing those last 4 games as anything different than the Rams game or the Skins and Cowboys games week 6 and 8. After the Rams game, we all thought the defense was playing well and we would keep on winning. Obviously that was not the case. Then weeks 6 and 8 came around, and the defense rebounded against two bad/injury riddled offenses. We assumed they’d turned a corner and might make the playoffs after all. Then came losses to the Bears and Cards. All that progress we saw in the previous weeks vanished. I don’t see why everyone thinks that won’t happen again next year when we play capable offenses again. All they’ve proved in my eyes is that they can beat bottom feeders and can pull upsets within the division. It’s going to take a lot more than that to make the playoffs next year given our schedule.

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by Avant-Garde on Jan 31, 2012 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Juan will have a full season under his belt and another season to build on

Maybe we just need the right players (linebackers). Maybe Todd Bowles will mentor the guys to the point where offenses are scared to pass on us. There is some hope for optimism.

I would personally rather have a guy like Del Rio or Spagnuolo. But those options aren’t there anymore. I’m an Eagles fan, I don’t like the decision to keep Castillo but its what we got. I really hope things change around for the better.

by postman856 on Jan 31, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Opponents will have a full season of tape on Juan

We already know from the players that Juan didn’t know what he was doing early on. We also knew he blew 5 4th quarter leads, an NFL record if I understand it rightly. By not landing Spags it ends up that keeping Castillo is the Eagles’ best option.

Speaking of best options, there must’ve been some underlying reason why the Eagles didn’t get Tulloch before last season and why the Lions didn’t wrap him up with a contract. Health? Poor locker room chemistry? Coaches hate him? It would seem he would have been the most important acquisition for a team transitioning to the wide 9.

There’s simply no route to a Lombardi for the Eagles. Nope. It’s in the DNA.

by 1993Heel on Feb 1, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

There's no mention of

the 10 points and 278 yards the Super Bowl bound Giants put up against us in the Meadowlands. They had Nicks and Cruz for that game, too. And the Cardinals did not torch us. Larry Fitzgerald made a handful of huge plays against poor coverage, but they also scored 27 against the Ravens, 21 against the 49ers, and 20 against the Steelers. It happens. What stands out most for me in that game is 16/34 128 yds 2 int — Vick’s numbers, stubbornly playing with a broken rib.

by egk on Feb 1, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

So, what's your solution?

If the new counter-argument to “Juan sucks” is “The offense sucks” — great. You won’t find much disagreement there.

So, who do you blame? Who gets fired? Vick? Marty?

It certainly can’t be Johnny Lynn.

Or do we just keep rollin’ along – ’don’t worry about that, we got to do a better job there’?

by UnclaimedFright on Feb 1, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

You are a fool.

“Gave teams hell?” Are you Howie Roseman?

The bad news? Castillo's back.

The good news? With the 7-9 season coming up and all the Eagles games being played at 1:00 (and in the bag for the opponent by 2:30 at the latest), we'll all have plenty of time to rake the leaves and whack off. Stock up on your Astro Glide, ladies!

by EvilBanner on Jan 31, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

He will show us what in 2012 ?

That he still can’t win a Super Bowl ?

Btw, welcome to BGN.

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Dwight Howard is coming to Philly. Maybe. Probably not. But we can at least hope, that's all we have.

by Eagladelphia on Jan 31, 2012 6:40 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I can’t believe I just rec’d something by eagladelphia.

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by KByars on Jan 31, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

ha ha

I had to rec Colbert as well, now we’re even, don’t let it happen again.

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by Eagladelphia on Jan 31, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I love the little inter-BGN rivalries

Good solid entertainment.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 1, 2012 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

You're right

Keeps it fun and entertaining…

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by Eagladelphia on Feb 1, 2012 4:50 AM EST up reply actions  

He will show us that he can still coach.

I never understood the “Big Game” conception. How is winning in the divisional round in the Meadowlands not winning a big game? Andy cant control Vick underthowing a reciever and getting picked by Traman Williams to knock us out. He puts the team in position to win, and they just have to make a play. Am I to believe that the only good coaches are Coughlin, Belicheck, Payton, and Tomlin?

by Ben_Larivee on Jan 31, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

You are welcome, this is a great site and you’ll get addicted if you’re not already.

I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
Dwight Howard is coming to Philly. Maybe. Probably not. But we can at least hope, that's all we have.

by Eagladelphia on Jan 31, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

yah........

It's never easy being an Eagle fan........but I'll be damned if I ever stop.

Sign Spags Now !!!

by JJeaglerooter on Jan 31, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Seems like the window is closing on the Big Guy, if he doesn’t deliver next year, Lurie might actually give him the axe, but who knows, maybe Lurie was just blowing smoke up our you know whats….

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by Eagladelphia on Jan 31, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, the main goal is to win the the Super Bowl...

And those 4 coaches have won it in less time than in took Andy Reid (we’re obviously still waiting).

Reid is a great coaches, but can you honestly blame all of our postseason failures on a couple of missed plays and bad luck? At some point our team should be able to pull off some of those games, but instead we consistently come up short. And if next season ends trademarked Philadelphia Eagles fashion, then it is time to move on.

"I once had a friend named Charlie, and Charlie was always late to school
He had a black eye one day, but he wouldn’t say just what happened to him
Charlie got mad in class one day, and stood up with a .22 pistol
Told everybody that he couldn’t take it anymore, he was over being the victim"

by Snax on Jan 31, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah the Bill Cowher comparison.

I haven’t come up with a legitimate counter to it, so I’ll give you that.

But I must ask, how bad does next season have to be in order for you to consider a coaching change. Or how much lower would you be willing to wait if years go by with the same result?

"I once had a friend named Charlie, and Charlie was always late to school
He had a black eye one day, but he wouldn’t say just what happened to him
Charlie got mad in class one day, and stood up with a .22 pistol
Told everybody that he couldn’t take it anymore, he was over being the victim"

by Snax on Jan 31, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Missing the playoffs again would be the end

And I think we all, including Reid, know that. But I really think they could get to the NFC title game every other year and Reid go nowhere

by Ben_Larivee on Jan 31, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Years of being too good to make any changes in fear of messing with a formula at the same time as being not good enough to win a title sounds like an infinite nightmare.

"I once had a friend named Charlie, and Charlie was always late to school
He had a black eye one day, but he wouldn’t say just what happened to him
Charlie got mad in class one day, and stood up with a .22 pistol
Told everybody that he couldn’t take it anymore, he was over being the victim"

by Snax on Jan 31, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Im not saying I want that

Its better than being the redskins though

by Ben_Larivee on Jan 31, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

At least the Redskins don’t crush their fans’ dreams on a yearly basis.

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by Avant-Garde on Jan 31, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah,

Only because they’ve hurt them so badly that Redskins fans are incapable of dreaming!

by UnclaimedFright on Feb 1, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

You've clearly never been to D.C.

This past year was the first one they didn’t think they were going to win the Super Bowl. The free-agent spending sprees had a way of conning them into thinking they’re competitive.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 1, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd say that was insane,

If I didn’t remember how I felt at the beginning of this season…

by UnclaimedFright on Feb 2, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

How about Reid moving up to the front office in some kind of role ?

I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
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by Eagladelphia on Jan 31, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Have you seen our drafts? I’ll pass.

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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 31, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, it would be nice though if he was with the organization in some kind of role, he would be an asset.

I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
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by Eagladelphia on Jan 31, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually, I take that back. I think Andy Reid has extremely strong organizational standards and he does a very nice job planning things out in advance. I think he has strong front office potential if he ever decides to take that path. The only thing that would really concern me is his undying loyalty, I wouldn’t like him to continually hire people he has crossed paths with over the years.

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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 31, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

But a lot of winning organizations are loyal to a fault.

I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
Dwight Howard is coming to Philly. Maybe. Probably not. But we can at least hope, that's all we have.

by Eagladelphia on Jan 31, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they were winning organizations that then became loyal to the guys they won with, for the most part.

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by Avant-Garde on Jan 31, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep two years of bad results is a pattern. One year could be an aberration. You want o do knee jerk reactions because you hate Reid and Castillo. That’s fine. But that’s a bad way to run a business.

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2012 Eagles- 19-0

by bdawk4ever on Feb 1, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

The other thing about "can't win the big game"

Is nobody can until they do. They said it about Elway, and Peyton, and Bill Cowher.

To a degree, even the Super Bowl is just another game, and if you can beat Super Bowl-caliber teams, then theoretically you’re a good enough coach to win the big game. Unfortunately there’s only one of those each year, and Belichick is a frickin hog, so not everybody actually gets to fulfill said potential.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 1, 2012 1:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Groundhog Day..

All over again. We can continue to make excuses. Spagnuolo wasn’t the ONLY defensive minded person out there. Pagano, Fisher, Del Rio, etc.. The only team we legitimately beat with all their starters was, Dallas, the first time. I would respect them more if they admitted Castillo was a mistake, then corrected the mistake. I firmly believe Andrew is ready to ride off into the sunset. In 2013, we will have a new HC, DC, AND OC. Here’s to my 2013 Eagles!!

by Lawdhvmercy on Jan 31, 2012 6:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Pagano was a DC, I don’t think he would have made a lateral move under contract from the Ravens to the Eagles. I agree with your point though, the offseason hasn’t even started yet and a new DC would have had plenty of time to implement his system while adapting to the players and systems in place like Babin and the Wide-9.

by postman856 on Jan 31, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I've said it before and I'll say it again

Castillo showed enough to prove he can coach defense, and he deserves another year at least at DC. I’m glad it’s here, but if he had been fired I strongly believe he would have had a shot elsewhere. The more I learn about the man the more I respect him, and given the microscopic scrutiny he was under, I would say he handles pressure fairly well.

Assuming Vick stays healthy 16 games (hopefully he was serious when he said he’d start taking more care of himself), I imagine another top 10 defense will translate into 11+ wins for 2012, and an NFC East title. As we learned from Green Bay, that doesn’t really mean anything, so here’s hoping they’ll make a deep run, and prove the doubters wrong.

Eagles all the way in 2012!!

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― Seneca

by NJBammer on Jan 31, 2012 6:57 PM EST reply actions  

Here’s the thing though. Do you have enough faith in Castillo to take us deep in the playoffs? Do you think we’re suddenly not going to choke against lesser competition? Turnovers on offense are a problem, yes, but they’re such a problem because our defense is unreliable.

by postman856 on Jan 31, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

They’re a problem because our offense gives the other team a lot more chances to score.

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by KeepSwinging on Jan 31, 2012 9:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Maybe. I think in this league is all about the offense.

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by bdawk4ever on Feb 1, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

yup

"Difficulties strengthen the mind, as labor does the body."
― Seneca

by NJBammer on Feb 1, 2012 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

There’s little chance that Vick stays healthy for. 16 games. I don’t know how he’s going to be more careful about getting hit in the pocket. He’s injury prone and we just need to make sure we have a good enough back-up to carry us during that time.

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by KeepSwinging on Jan 31, 2012 9:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

In the last 4 games

Vick acted more like a pocket passer than I’ve ever seen in his career, and that’s part of the reason the offense was so unstoppable. If he does that over 16 games, he has a good chance of staying healthy. His fragility is overstated simply because he always ran so much and so reclessly. He’s certainly no more fragile than Drew Brees, and he manages to stay upright all season.

"Difficulties strengthen the mind, as labor does the body."
― Seneca

by NJBammer on Feb 1, 2012 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but Vick TRIED to act like a pocket passer most of the season – and got battered, missed open guys, had his passes knocked down at the line…

I can’t take 25% of a season to mean he’s figured it all out, sorry.

by UnclaimedFright on Feb 1, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

already talkin’ shit.

Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.

by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST

by packimop on Feb 1, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmm.

“Seven new starters on defense, plus one new scheme, minus an offseason.”

How many new starters did the 49ers have? Because they had the same offseason, and a totally new scheme. So then, the argument is just “seven new starters.”

by UnclaimedFright on Jan 31, 2012 7:01 PM EST reply actions  

Well

The Eagles dont have Patrick Willis, Justin Smith, or Aldon Smith. thats not Castillos fault

by Ben_Larivee on Jan 31, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

They did have Cole, Asante, Nnamdi, Jenkins and Babin.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Jan 31, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

this

Last name Ever
First name Greatest

#PayDeSeanJackson

by Djax10 on Jan 31, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

And DRC too.

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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 31, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought about listing him, but he was all out of position as the third CB. He doesn’t work in the slit.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Jan 31, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

typo

in the slot**

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Jan 31, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice freudian slip.

I'll give you a cookie if you know what my pic is from.

by Avant-Garde on Jan 31, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, you should have left it wrong

Would’ve made you sound cool and clever

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 1, 2012 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

But DRC is still a great 2nd CB. When he was in his normal position, he tore it up. We really got a good pro-bowl type player out of DRC

by postman856 on Jan 31, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely, we just had one too many CB’s last year.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Jan 31, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Remember when we were pysched about this being an awesome thing?

I actually wouldn’t mind having three really good ones, just not this particular three.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 1, 2012 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

We can trade one and still have three really good ones, if Hanson hasn’t lost anything in the slot. You don’t need 3 pro bowlers for two outside spots.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Feb 1, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Hanson lost

his ability to take HGH so his best days are behind him.

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by Talon Talent on Feb 1, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I blame Juan for that. He was FANTASTIC as an boundary corner, better than Nnamdi and Asante in limited snaps.

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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 31, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

But no matter what you do, with 3 CBs, someone is going to be out position unless one of them can go slot, which is technically a starting spot.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Jan 31, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

argg need edit function

technically not a starting spot.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Jan 31, 2012 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that is true.

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Iggles Nest
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 31, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Right

And with those same players, Mike Singletaries 49ers sucked. How did they get them to gel?

New coach.

by UnclaimedFright on Jan 31, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Granted,

If this team had Patrick Willis, no Juan would be able to outscheme this defense!

by UnclaimedFright on Jan 31, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

And it wasnt really a new scheme in SF

Jim Tomsula has been running their D line since 07, and has as much say as anyone on defense

by Ben_Larivee on Jan 31, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Good stuff,

I suppose the “turn-around” for them really came on offense.

by UnclaimedFright on Jan 31, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea

It was Harbaugh turning Alex Smith into…something other than Alex Smith lol

by Ben_Larivee on Jan 31, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Don’t be so sure. From 2010 to 2011, they added 4.69 points for per game, but cut 7.3 points off their points against per game. Harbaugh made a bigger difference for the defense than the offense.

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by Avant-Garde on Jan 31, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Keep turnovers/field position in mind

Offenses that dont turn the ball over dont put thier defenses in crappy situations, and controling the clock, like they did with Frank Gore, keeps the other team from scoring points too

by Ben_Larivee on Jan 31, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s part of it, but when a defense undergoes this big of a change, you can’t put it all on the offense playing better. Harbaugh proved it wasn’t impossible to make significant changes to a unit this offseason and have them work out.

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by Avant-Garde on Jan 31, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

comparing the eagles defense to the 49ers defense is just a trap...

as our offense is nothing like the 49er offense.

We turned the ball over .

Let me repeat -

We were next to last in turning the ball over.
When we needed the points? It was not just the defense that could not stop the opponents, it was the offense that could not stay on the field. It was ridiculous play calling and 3 and outs …

It was not the DC, folks. When you look at our defense stats, compare our defense to teams that pwned the NFL…

Sorry…. the answer is the way we loved to give the other team the ball instead of taking it in for the score.

by milroyigglesfan on Jan 31, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Kind of a non-starter there

If the situation is “When we needed points” your defense is very rarely going to have an effect on this.

But in the respect that it does, even our defense failed. Let’s not act like our games were endless series of 3-and-outs. We’d go 3-and-out on offense, give the ball back, and endure a 15 minute drive for a TD/FG.

In that respect, the defense contributed greatly to our being unable to score points.

by UnclaimedFright on Feb 1, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Blame Marty, he's been losing us games for years.

Only lil Shanny is worse. If Andy won’t fire him I hope he accidently sits on him.

by buddyball9 on Jan 31, 2012 7:04 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

in all fairness Juan would need 2 yrs to see what he can do

What I think our problem was is that we had all these new players and noone was able to step up and take control of the locker room. If you have everyone running loose you get those 4qtr collapses

by astarrcalledj on Jan 31, 2012 7:14 PM EST reply actions  

I think the collapses have more to do with the opposition figuring out how to exploit our defense and Juan not being able to adjust in response. There’s a reason our defense never got better as the game went on – Juan doesn’t have the experience or the skill to make adjustments to the scheme on the fly. Either the scheme can’t handle the opposition from the start (see the NE and Chicago games), the other team figures out how to beat it (see the 4th quarter collapses), or they never figure it out or don’t have the personnel to do so (see the Rams, Fins, Jets, and both Skins and Cowboys games). There is no example this season where the other team starts off well offensively and the Eagles figure out how to stop them. This is one of the things that scares me the most about Juan.

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by Avant-Garde on Jan 31, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

That's ridiculous...

as the “figuring out how to exploit” became worse and worse over the season.

Based on that alone, it’s clear that the players on our team improved – independant of what the offense of the other team did…

by milroyigglesfan on Jan 31, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

…I’m not sure what you’re trying to say.

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by Avant-Garde on Jan 31, 2012 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Keeping Juan is the last call

And not the right call. And like most things at a bar , at 2am , nothing good comes out of this.

Seriously, Andy and Juan are a match made in hell. Andy won’t the ball when he should and Juan can’t stop the run when he needs to.
Next season the team will just become more comfortable with winning three quarters of a game and then walking to the locker room wondering wtf. did we just blow another lead?

by Saidrick on Jan 31, 2012 7:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Let's go back to the preseason

I think it was actually very telling. In 3 games, the defense looked pretty good, against Pittsburgh, it was awful. Some people completely throw out how teams look in the preseason, and with good reason. But I think what we saw right off the bat was a defense that worked against some offenses but didn’t adjust well when necessary. Never did figure out what Pittsburgh was doing in the game. Then had 12 regular season games to work out the kinks, and did look better the last 4 games. But that’s to be expected.

I think it is a wash. I think the time to really judge the defense will come next season. More maturity from the younger players, more time for Juan to study what went wrong. More time for players to develop trust in each other and discover what their teammates can and cannot do. Players could have quit on AR at the end of the year, but they didn’t, and that showed me something positive to build on. Dump the shit from the roster, draft solidly, this team should do really well in 2012.

by donniethelion on Jan 31, 2012 7:21 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Its really getting sad to watch everyone try to rationalize why an 8-8 season after a 10-6 and 11-5 and NFC Championship trip before that it is actually somewhat okay for the majority involved because (like everyone else) there was no off season aside from training camp. This season was a train wreck, and I’m not sold on the whole new scheme, new players, no offseason bullshit excuse. It’s classic political rhetoric for Andy and Lurie to come up and say “I’m not trying to make any excuses but lets not forget we had no offseason and the players and coaching staff took time to come together, just look at the last 4 games.” Regardless of how you look at it somebody is accountable, if you use the new everything/no offseason excuse then it’s Andy and Howie’s fault for allowing him to take over the defense with little experience.
The too many new roster additions argument is a total fallacy. We had barely any change anywhere on the offense except O-line. 7 out of 11 returning starters on defense its not that huge a change. All these free agents yet barely any of them actually contributed all that much majority was returning starters. Juan is the one who wanted to compound the problem of no offseason by throwing all his players into unfamiliar positions. Putting Nnamdi in the slot and at safety and shuffling the linebackers just for the hell of it to start the season and flipping around Nate Allen, Kurt Coleman, and Jarrad Page for no reason.

by fhqwagads on Jan 31, 2012 7:39 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I feel depressed after reading that...

Can you try to find some positives ?

I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
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by Eagladelphia on Jan 31, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

If I was a Redskins fan

I couldn’t live with myself, don’t know how they do it… they must have some kind of resolve…

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by Eagladelphia on Jan 31, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I grew up in Skins country.

They live exclusively in the past.

I'll give you a cookie if you know what my pic is from.

by Avant-Garde on Jan 31, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you ever cheer for Von Hayes? Yea, it’s like that.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
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by KByars on Jan 31, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha my bad, I was very optimistic about the 2011 season so thats what I’m feeling right now.

by fhqwagads on Jan 31, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s okay, it’s better to get it out then hold it in, we’re all here for you.

I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
Dwight Howard is coming to Philly. Maybe. Probably not. But we can at least hope, that's all we have.

by Eagladelphia on Jan 31, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Well...

Seven New Starters:
Seven new starters, that is a legitimate argument on the surface of things. But the problem is that Juan Castillo continuously tried to shove square pegs in round holes. He tried to use Casey Matthews behind the wide nine defensive line, a task he was clearly not prepared for. He moved Moise Fokou to WLB. He moved Jamar Chaney to SLB. He started Jarrad Page. He moved DRC to the nickel back. He played Nnamdi in soft zone coverage, in the slot and as a safety.

I don’t really see how an injury to Michael Vick, the starting QB on offense had any kind of effect on the defense. Did they miss tackles on Marshawn Lynch because Michael Vick was hurt? Did Michael Vick give up all those yards to Tom Brady.

Bad luck is a dumb excuse. Having players blow coverage because they were in bad positions isn’t bad luck, that is bad play calling. Having a soft, rookie middle linebacker missing tackles isn’t bad luck, that’s a bad personnel decision. Etc.

Spags would’ve presumable brought his scheme and adjusted it to fit the wide nine scheme. And we didn’t want because of his scheme, we wanted him because he is a proven defensive coordinator who has shown the ability to field a superbowl caliber defense, adjust on the fly and put players in good positions to succeed. That is more than Juan has shown, surely you must agree with this.

And the last 4 games are deceiving. And that is putting it nicely. I’ve written about it before.

Here is a list of QBs and RBs the Eagles faced the past 3 weeks: Matt Moore/JP Losman, Reggie Bush, Mark Sanchez, Shonn Greene, Stephen McGee and Sammy Morris. In addition to that, it should be noted that the Dolphins were missing Jake Long and Vernon Carey for most of the game.

You can add Rex Grossman, Roy Helu and Evan Royster to that list. Not a very impressive list of opponents, no? Do you know how good our defense was before we faced this list of scrubs? 24th in points allowed, 17th in yards allowed and 25th in yards per play.

And sure, you can give them credit for at least being able to stop scrubs but then I could say “Don’t you think it’s a problem it took Juan Castillo 12 weeks to figure out how effectively call a defense?” It took him weeks before he realized he shouldn’t use the wide nine on every snap. It took him weeks before he found an effective linebacker rotation. It took him weeks to settle on the same safety rotation as last year. It took an Asante Samuel injury for him to play DRC effectively. Next year it’ll just be some other problem that he can’t solve. He has clearly shown an inability to adjust and contour his defense to what the offense is doing and adjust and effectively utilize the personnel he has.

Oh and his playcalling sucked. He let linebackers and safeties consistently get lined up with wide receivers. The height of this issue was when Jaiquawn Jarrett and Brian Rolle were inexplicably charged with covering Larry Fitzgerald at different points in the Cardinals game, both of whom he scored on.

You’ve bought fool’s gold my new friend and that’s not just my opinion, that is an opinion that I share with Jeffrey Lurie and Greg Cosell.

Oh and welcome.

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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 31, 2012 7:50 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Is this any way to welcome Ben ?

Take it back.

I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
Dwight Howard is coming to Philly. Maybe. Probably not. But we can at least hope, that's all we have.

by Eagladelphia on Jan 31, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Hai Ben.

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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 31, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

How come you never chose to become a write here ? I’m sure you’d be an asset on here as well.

I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
Dwight Howard is coming to Philly. Maybe. Probably not. But we can at least hope, that's all we have.

by Eagladelphia on Jan 31, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Never been offered, I figured I was just too combative and annoyed Jason. I’d probably just end up as another BigBlueShoe so it’s probably a good idea.

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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 31, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure how it works but I don’t think he would refuse, if you tried. All these other sites have so many writiers and with us being one of the most popular football sites, it would be nice to see more people join the ranks, like Ben did today.

I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
Dwight Howard is coming to Philly. Maybe. Probably not. But we can at least hope, that's all we have.

by Eagladelphia on Jan 31, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I just emailed him and asked

told him where to see my work and he said ok

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by Ben_Larivee on Jan 31, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

You getting any loot?

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 1, 2012 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Without a doubt Djack you should ask

Some of your fanposts are unreal and Eagledelphia is right we cant let BTB have more writers than us.

by Mr.electric10 on Jan 31, 2012 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

More isn't always better

Our team is quality first.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 1, 2012 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I was referring to "BTB having more than us"

More doesn’t mean much. I’d rather have three or five good writers then two good ones and eight space-fillers.

I didn’t think that would come off as a djack slam.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 1, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

fortunately

we don’t have that problem, either :D

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by KD Drummond on Feb 2, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha funny

D-jackfan10 is a good writer, but he can’t take criticism at all. If you say anything bad about his writing or thoughts he’s all Rambo against the world.

I’m sure he’s a good person, but he can’t take it when someone disagrees with him.

by slandog on Feb 1, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Its fine man, I'm from Philly lol

I know we’re all opinionated, but its because we give a shit. And there are other views to take, as long as thier educated I respect them. I just dont like comment threads where people ramble nonsense. So far so good on BGN

by Ben_Larivee on Jan 31, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

d-jackfan is one of our best

You’ll like his stuff.

I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
Dwight Howard is coming to Philly. Maybe. Probably not. But we can at least hope, that's all we have.

by Eagladelphia on Jan 31, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Great, and you ignore you how those QBs performed against other teams.

They killed them. So ignore the evidence all you want.

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2012 Eagles- 19-0

by bdawk4ever on Feb 1, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Grasp harder methinks.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
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by KByars on Feb 1, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

No, I think you need to grasp harder since you have no evidence for your position, and I have a ton for mine.

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2012 Eagles- 19-0

by bdawk4ever on Feb 1, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

You bring less evidence than the Real LT. ffs

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
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by KByars on Feb 1, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Given that that those teams played hot until they played the Eagles, no I have not. Except I don’t ignore the issue and post stupid pictures that mean nothing.

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2012 Eagles- 19-0

by bdawk4ever on Feb 1, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Miami is the only team you could make that case for, and at the end of the day, it’s still Moore/Losman.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Feb 1, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

ouch.

"We will not be denied." - Antrel Rolle

by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 1, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Can you deny the similarity?

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Feb 1, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

In my opinion, I do think its a little hypocritical that credit is given to the Eagles

as being a better team “for gelling” towards the end of the year and winning four straight against the Dolphins, Redskins, Jets, and Romo-less Cowboys, while at the same time disparaging the Giants as more lucky than good because we actually got healthy and won against the Cowboys, Falcons, Packers and 49ers.

So yes, I see some similarity.

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by BigBlueIntervention on Feb 1, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Did they?

They obviously couldn’t kill ten QBs in one season. If they had, those teams would be in the playoffs.

But no – those teams are all drafting in the top 15 in 2012.

Not sure what the definition of “kill” is, here.

by UnclaimedFright on Feb 1, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought DC was the position you get demoted to

when you get canned at the OL coach position. It’s always been that way in the NFL, right?

by 1993Heel on Feb 1, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

DISAPPROVAL

And yes this is Philly, you welcome to come check us

by jaws1385 on Jan 31, 2012 7:56 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Who let Mitt Romney's look alike..

in BGN? Let’s talk about something more promising like the upcoming draft. I am curious about everyone’s predictions.

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by Lawdhvmercy on Jan 31, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's time to start a positivity movement for the 2012 season

almost ‘will’ the team to win the Super Bowl with our loyalty and positive thoughts, anyone on board ?

I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
Dwight Howard is coming to Philly. Maybe. Probably not. But we can at least hope, that's all we have.

by Eagladelphia on Jan 31, 2012 8:14 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah...

there is nothing left to debate. it’s history.
flush…

there! all set for the new year!

by milroyigglesfan on Jan 31, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

We are gonna win the Super Bowl next year, Guaranteed !

I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
Dwight Howard is coming to Philly. Maybe. Probably not. But we can at least hope, that's all we have.

by Eagladelphia on Jan 31, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh yeah.

Trust me.

Whoever you are, when I log off, you cease to exist.

The operative IQ of a group is no higher than that of it's lowest scoring member.

I reserve the right to hold other posters to a higher standard than I myself maintain. Why? Because I am an unrpentent lout. Deal with it.

by IggleGreen on Jan 31, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's just go with blind enthusiasm

until they lose their 1st game, and then we’ll re-think our plan….

I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
Dwight Howard is coming to Philly. Maybe. Probably not. But we can at least hope, that's all we have.

by Eagladelphia on Jan 31, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

They'll be 19-0

With the best defense of all time allowing only 3 points a game.

I'm great like Gatsby.

by Clint Eastwood on Jan 31, 2012 8:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Not sure how to take this, lol.

I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
Dwight Howard is coming to Philly. Maybe. Probably not. But we can at least hope, that's all we have.

by Eagladelphia on Jan 31, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I am recing this

"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins

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by Talon Talent on Jan 31, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Lets hope it starts strong

With Vince Wilfork sitting on/crushing the organs of Eli on Sunday!

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by Ben_Larivee on Jan 31, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah

let’s kick off our Super Bowl year with a Giants loss this weekend, that would be a fitting start… but I just hate the idea of the Patriots winning as well, don’t know who I hate more.

I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
Dwight Howard is coming to Philly. Maybe. Probably not. But we can at least hope, that's all we have.

by Eagladelphia on Jan 31, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

if u dont know who u hate the most...

…between the patriots and the fucking nyg, there must be something wrong with u…

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by -Spartan13- on Jan 31, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s a toss-up, one team beat us in the only Eagles Super Bowl trip a lot of us have witnessed, and the other team has the most annoying fan base ever…. not sure which way to go, but we’ll never hear the end of it if the Giants win…. so a Giants loss it is !!!

I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
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by Eagladelphia on Jan 31, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

its the giants, of course we want a Patriot win!!!

i think the only team i hate more than the giants its the cowgirls

can u tell me u dont feel the chill when we beat THEM?

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by -Spartan13- on Jan 31, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Only when we have a chance to return a punt on them with the game on the line…

I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
Dwight Howard is coming to Philly. Maybe. Probably not. But we can at least hope, that's all we have.

by Eagladelphia on Jan 31, 2012 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Giants vs Patriots

The best result would be this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ucEa50RIpuw#t=83s

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by Talon Talent on Jan 31, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be ideal, I thought of something similar but didn’t want to be too negative.

I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
Dwight Howard is coming to Philly. Maybe. Probably not. But we can at least hope, that's all we have.

by Eagladelphia on Feb 1, 2012 4:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Most Annoying fan base ever?

I live in Mass, there’s nothing more annoying than a Pats fan, they’ve been giving me shit about the “Dream Team” since the Falcons game.

by YankeesEaglesWhat on Jan 31, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, we can't lose either way then.

I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
Dwight Howard is coming to Philly. Maybe. Probably not. But we can at least hope, that's all we have.

by Eagladelphia on Jan 31, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Fixed, for me

I live in North Jersey, there’s nothing more annoying than a Giants fan, they’ve been giving me shit about the "Dream Team" since the Falcons game.

Go Eagles!

by MRPH on Feb 1, 2012 7:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m with you. Time to stop bitching and start troubeshooting. Lets shed some cap money and see what we can find on the market before the draft. Anybody want a used QB, and underacheiving Wide Receiver (Can you trade a franchise tagged player?) and an unbelievably gifted Cornerback who for some reason the FO wants to trade?

Considering how Kolb, McNabb, Sheldon, Mikel and Stewie have done since we got rid of them, I don’t think I’d buy anything from “Fair-Deal Howie”.

There are a couple of ex-Eagle defensive players doing well around the league, does anyone recall who they are?

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by IggleGreen on Jan 31, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Varying degrees of "well," but:

Dawkins, Bunk, Joe Mays, Chris Gocong, Chris Clemons

by ChillBillinChina on Jan 31, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, we could tag and trade Desean

and Im guessing the ex-Eagles youre referring to are Joe Mays and… I can’t remember. Akers doesnt count. lol

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by Ben_Larivee on Jan 31, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

We tried that already

Back before JimmyK went by his real name, there was the Eff You, We’re Winning Anyway movement.

Good times.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 1, 2012 1:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Then we got shut out and then blown out back to back by Dallas.

by fhqwagads on Feb 1, 2012 1:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh yea, Bunk, Gocong, and Clemons are doing quite well

"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." - B Dawk

by Ben_Larivee on Jan 31, 2012 8:30 PM EST reply actions  

great post dude, btw

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by -Spartan13- on Jan 31, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Great First Post and Welcome to BGN

I agree with most of this post. I think people like to discount the shorten offseason and just say its a front office excuse but we added a number of playmakers that had never played with each other and mixed it with an inexperienced coach. Also, if you look at the year as a whole in the games we blew in the fourth quarter the offense was awful as well we cant just blame the D. I think adding Bowles will help immensely as no longer will Nnamdi and DRC be mis-used. Im staying optimistic for the future and I think that firing Juan, while it may have appeased some fans, would have ultimately set us back a few years.

by Mr.electric10 on Jan 31, 2012 8:35 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

how about Nnamdi-DRC-Asante?

it could work !!!

show some love to 22, he did give us a lots of great plays

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by -Spartan13- on Jan 31, 2012 9:04 PM EST reply actions  

GREAT WORK BEN

I have felt this way over the past few weeks, even when I wanted Spags, in the back of my mind i was okay with this outcome.

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by NJEagle on Jan 31, 2012 9:20 PM EST reply actions  

No… it wasn’t

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by Djax10 on Jan 31, 2012 9:21 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Apologists love this move.

It gets their hero Andy off the hook with another year of the built in scapegoat.

The bad news? Castillo's back.

The good news? With the 7-9 season coming up and all the Eagles games being played at 1:00 (and in the bag for the opponent by 2:30 at the latest), we'll all have plenty of time to rake the leaves and whack off. Stock up on your Astro Glide, ladies!

by EvilBanner on Jan 31, 2012 9:31 PM EST reply actions  

just to play devils advocate there...

i thought castillo was a good o-line coach, but i think it was because of sound technique. some people are good at technique (like castillo, mudd, washburn, etc) and others are good at scheme (john harbaugh, marty morhenweg, etc).

about mudd being great… they got better later on, but the o-line couldnt get any push in goal line situations. they might have gotten a little better when watkins came in, but still i dont think they were all that great. thats why they had to use traps and counters and halfback draw/option passes at the goal line, because their zone blocking scheme couldnt will their way into the endzone.

by juggadore on Jan 31, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Like our goal line offense was better before? Not like we were an amazing red zone offense before Mudd.

by fhqwagads on Feb 1, 2012 1:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Here here, brother.

To echo about your embarrassment thing… People are hinging their hopes on the last 4 games of the season. As Jimmy pointed out above (way above), it wasn’t exactly a murderer’s row of QBs, and when Matt Moore is the all-star amongst the group, something is seriously wrong.

I cannot forgive, nor can I forget, the Seahawks game and the Patriots game. This team gave up. I think we can remember that 35-0 shellacking that the Seahawks laid on us a few years ago at night. Or when the Ravens whooped up on McNabb and Kolb. Fine. But this team quit, on national television, no less.

Sorry. Do not want.

Two side things.
1. Ben, welcome to BGN. A solidly written piece (even if I disagree wholeheartedly with it).
2. Why is this frontpage’d? I don’t mean to rain on the guy, but despite the fact that it’s well-written, I didn’t find anything exciting about it beyond unsubstantiated facts and hope for next season.

by Eagle Fly Free on Jan 31, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

He’s not a new member, he’s anew editor (i.e. front page writer)

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by AnthroEagle on Jan 31, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

UM...

“I don’t want a SB win in Philly because Andy makes it to 20 years and we beat the Broncos because Tim Tebow fumbles 4 times and throws 5 ints in his first Super Bowl”

I don’t care how “principled” you are, you would be jumping for joy if the eagles won ANY SB. Is it the best way to win? of course not, is it still a win? Absolutely.

by Eaglessfan on Feb 1, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Beggars can't be choosers

I’d take this and breakdance down Broad Street:

. I don’t want a SB win in Philly because Andy makes it to 20 years and we beat the Broncos because Tim Tebow fumbles 4 times and throws 5 ints in his first Super Bowl

Pretty football is nice, winning football is nicer.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Feb 1, 2012 1:22 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I bet this is why they hired Bowles

It is possible they might be interested in him if Castillo doesn’t work out. They will also get to know what he would do in the secondary behind the Wide 9 this year. The team would be used to having him around for the year.

by JesseM on Jan 31, 2012 10:51 PM EST reply actions  

They hired Bowles because Castillo’s primary role in the defense will soon be to stay out of everyone’s way while the individual units on defense are commanded autonomously by their position coaches. Washburn and Bowles are going to have total command of their units.

by fhqwagads on Feb 1, 2012 1:44 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This

and rec

I'm all-in for the 2012 season !
Dwight Howard is coming to Philly. Maybe. Probably not. But we can at least hope, that's all we have.

by Eagladelphia on Feb 1, 2012 4:53 AM EST up reply actions  

We don’t know that. Andy emphatically said its Juan’s defense.

2011 New York Giants- Worst NFC Champs Ever

by bdawk4ever on Feb 1, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

This

Sounds like a great way to run a defense.

New idea: Let’s hire a position coach for every player on the defense, and have them radio in to Juan to tell them what that player is doing on any given play.

by UnclaimedFright on Feb 1, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

This turnover thing is getting ridiculous.

Okay, these numbers are from 2000-2010. A full decade of data.

If you were to start every single drive at the 50 yard line, you would have a 45.9% chance of scoring on that drive and approximately 20% of those scores would be field goals. Giving the ball up at midfield and in your own territory is hardly a death sentence for your defense. In fact, the odds of the offense scoring only become greater than 50% when they start at their 45 yard line and greater than 60% at the 36 yard line.

Let me say what I took away from that, Teams score less than 50% of the time when they get the ball at or behind the 50 yard line. The numbers favor the defense. People talk about these turnovers as if we were continuously turning the ball over in plus territory and just handing the opposition points. This is simply untrue. In the 2011 season, the Eagles had a turnover differential of -14 and they turned the ball over a whopping 38 times. But wait… Where did those turnovers happen? I’ll make a graphic to help me illustrate my point.



Only 13 of the Eagles’ turnovers occurred ended up being spotted inside their own 50 yard line. 13 of 38 turnovers.

Source for the field position stuff: NFL Stats Blog

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by d-jackfan10 on Feb 1, 2012 12:05 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Do I smell a fanpost in the works?

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
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by KByars on Feb 1, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Jesus. Really? That means nothing. Turnovers are the biggest indicator of winning percentage. Especially in game winner percentage.

It doesn’t matter where. More than two turnovers, and the team has a good chance of losing. Being 30th overall means they had a very BAD chance of losing. That they were 8-8 means they were better than should have been without the turnovers.

Give it a rest, dude.

2011 New York Giants- Worst NFC Champs Ever
2012 Eagles- 19-0

by bdawk4ever on Feb 1, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

/Real LT'd

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Feb 1, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

GREAT argument. You proved me wrong. GREAT JOB!!! You win!!!!

2011 New York Giants- Worst NFC Champs Ever
2012 Eagles- 19-0

by bdawk4ever on Feb 1, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s much easier once you ignore substance and just go with your gut. Thanks for teaching me that.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Feb 1, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Except I don’t ignore substance. You do. So you didn’t learn it from me.

You just post worthless comments that make no sense like Real LT’d and have no logic to back up your arguments.

2011 New York Giants- Worst NFC Champs Ever

by bdawk4ever on Feb 1, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Umm, when discussing the competition the Eagles faced in the last four games, didn’t you make the absurd statement that we were underestimating McGee?
Just one example.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Feb 1, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Just to follow up, you focus too much on the location on the turnovers and not enough on the amount. Show me how many teams made it to the playoffs with 38 turnovers.

Each turnover ends a drive. Yes, once in either RZ hurt more, but still the amount of turnovers hurts WAY more.

2011 New York Giants- Worst NFC Champs Ever
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by bdawk4ever on Feb 1, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

If they get the ball in the same place that they would get a punt, there’s not that much impact on the D. It’s a fact.

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by KByars on Feb 1, 2012 12:26 AM EST up reply actions  

But you are ignoring lost opportunities. A punt means they had at least 3 tries to get a first down. A turnover in the same area means they most likely had less than 3. They could’ve scored on that drive except for a turnover. So yes, turnovers are important.

The fact that anybody can argue that turnovers are not important astounds me.

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by bdawk4ever on Feb 1, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

That absolutely has an impact on the outcome of the game. We’re not talking about that though.
We’re discussing the impact that it has on the defense.

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by KByars on Feb 1, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

There isn’t any getting through to you, is there?

I’ve proven that we weren’t giving the ball up in plus territory. Only 13 turnovers were in “plus” territory. Fact. We weren’t just handing out points. There is no arguing that.

So what are you arguing? That the defense was on the field too much? Our defense was on the field for 998 snaps, 17th most in the NFL.

I don’t know what you’re getting at.

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by d-jackfan10 on Feb 1, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I think his point

is that turnovers are bad. Momentum, our inability to score, us giving them more opportunities to score?

How many times do you watch any QB throw a pick and go “oh well, they would have gotten the ball there anyway”? (4th and longs aside)

Not even close to our only problem but definitely doesn’t help.

by Eaglessfan on Feb 1, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Still, I don’t get what you’re getting at. Are you saying our defense was on the field too much? Our offense was on the field too little? Our defense was on the field for 982 snaps (I misspoke before), a mark which was 8th least in the NFL. Our offense was on the field for 1036 snaps, 7th most in the NFL.

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by d-jackfan10 on Feb 1, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

was that in response to me?

I was being facetious in commenting to the point he was trying to make. But regardless, Turnovers weren’t what made us lose 8 games this year, but it certainly didn’t help.

by Eaglessfan on Feb 1, 2012 12:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Bingo. Turnovers are bad.

Momentum, our inability to score, us giving them more opportunities to score

That is what is being ignored. Its lost opportunities.

Teams that win the turnover battle win more than 75%. If it was random that would be closer to 50%. Turnovers mean something.

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by bdawk4ever on Feb 1, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

That is an absolutely valid argument, if you’re discussing the impact on the outcome of the game. We’re not talking about that though.
We’re discussing the impact that it has on the defense.

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by KByars on Feb 1, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

What the fuck?!?

KByars, go on that side of the room.

bdawk4ever, the other side.

Do NOT attempt to talk to one another or so much as look at each other. Pretend the other person is not even there.

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by D3Keith on Feb 1, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, I hit a wrong button when I was looking up snap counts.

The Eagles were actually 24th most in defensive snaps with 982 snaps. Even more proof you’re wrong.

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by d-jackfan10 on Feb 1, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

That's like 35%

Not insignificant. Plus, there’s not context here. Is that more or less than average?

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by JasonB on Feb 1, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that was the one concern I had while I was putting that together. I just wish there was an easy way to find where turnovers happened, I had to sort through all 16 gamebooks for that stuff.

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by d-jackfan10 on Feb 1, 2012 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I found something that could help quell this concern.

Obviously that’s not exclusive to turnovers but I think that turnovers play a fairly big role in that. Eagles were 18th in the league according to this. The Eagles are on the same level as the Broncos, Texans, Ravens and Giants.

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by d-jackfan10 on Feb 1, 2012 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

1 yard shy of average per drive

not very costly if we go by the graph. maybe a touchdown over an entire season? anyway this average opponent starting field position statistic does not adequately capture the impact of turnovers. this only accounts for 2-3% of the total cost.

by 1993Heel on Feb 1, 2012 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Still that is a lot of turnovers

The Eagles had a TON of turnovers this season. And having 13 on the wrong side of the 50 certainly isn’t good at all. That DOES hurt the defense. You said yourself that 49.5%, lets say 50% to make it easy, end up in scores!! That is HUGE! Sure some are only 3 points, but 3 points is 3 points.

And if it’s turned over after a long drive, or near the end of the game the defense is a bit tired, wore down. Turnovers hurt no matter what way you look at it.

by slandog on Feb 1, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Great point

The turnovers definitely affected us losing games and such, but it is extremely exaggerated how much our defense suffered from the turnovers. The poor defense was easily on Juan and the shitty play of certain players

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by RanjeethR on Feb 1, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think you can discount points lost

If only 13 were spotted inside their own 50 yard line. That means that 25 were given up on the opponent’s side of the field*, which is lost points for the Eagles offense.

Just going off your graphic (which is great by the way) if you assume that all of those spots are field goal attempts and assume league field goal percentage average for each of the ranges they fall in, I am getting:
- 3 that were less than 30 yards (96.3%) → 8.6 points
- 7 that were 30 – 39 yards (86.8%) → 18.2 points
- 8 that were 40 – 49 yards (74.0%) → 17.7 points

So by only taking into account the assumption that those 18 turnovers would have been only field goals for the Eagles cost the Eagles 44.5 points. And that’s being pretty conservative in my assumptions I think.

*I am assuming that the red dots mark where the opponent started after the turnover, so that would take into account any kind of return yards the defender got when they got the turnover. Which would mean there might have been more turnovers closer to the opponents end zone that cost the Eagles points.

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by derbyguy on Feb 1, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Ben

Good Post. I don’t agree with everything, but I see your points.

I don’t buy the Juan excuses. Every team had the same off season and despite our bringing in a lot of new players, its not an excuse. But I don’t buy that he can’t be a good DC, I certainly think one season isn’t enough to grade anyone. Was he over his head? Of course he was. However, in this exact same situation, if this season was named a ‘rebuilding year’ rather than an “all in” year, people would have said, well, he did OK. It wasn’t and we’re sick of the “almosts” and the “next year is our year” and that’s why everyone is so goddamn frustrated. Including myself.

I hope every Juan/Andy hater eats their words this time next year. Not because a single one of them are wrong, but because that means our Eagles managed to pull it together and win a Superbowl.

by Eaglessfan on Feb 1, 2012 12:23 AM EST reply actions  

I think he was going for the impact of the turnovers on the defense, not on the outcome of games.

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by KByars on Feb 1, 2012 12:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I acknowledge that turnovers hurt the offenses’ productivity. That much is obvious, props to you for doing the math to prove it. My argument is about the effect on the defense. I know that turnovers hurt the defense but I think the amount of “hurt” they caused has been vastly overstated. People are acting like the turnovers were death sentences for the defense when that isn’t the case IMO.

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by d-jackfan10 on Feb 1, 2012 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

my post disappeared but i looked at some blown games

SF, Bears, Cards, Falcons

The defense blew the game against the Falcons, the offense blew the game against the Cards, the refs blew the game against the Bears, and all three units alike contributed equally to the collapse against the 49ers.

Can’t be hung on offensive, defensive or special teams units. Or officiating. These blown games (plus losing against Seattle?) are squarely on the team, and that’s squarely on the HC’s head.

by 1993Heel on Feb 1, 2012 1:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Does it matter who it hurts?

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by bdawk4ever on Feb 1, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Motherfucking bingo.

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by KByars on Feb 1, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Bah

Should have scrolled down first. Would have saved myself some time. You did it much better than I. Good work.

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by derbyguy on Feb 1, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

1993Heel

I thought about raising the same point, though not nearly as in depth as you. Very nice job.

I think he was going for the impact of the turnovers on the defense, not on the outcome of games.

I mean I get it … but it’s more useful to look at the overall impact of the turnovers. Respect to Heel for painting the full picture.

Besides, I find this telling:

No matter where you lose the ball on the field your team suffers on average a swing of greater that 6 points in the negative direction. The cost of a turnover is roughly the same regardless of field position.

It never matters where you lose the ball. If you lose the ball when you are 5 yards from the end zone it’s no more costly than when you have the ball on your own five. Whatever proportion you don’t score you give up.

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by D3Keith on Feb 1, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Effin blockquote

Anyway, Heel makes a good point and backs it up with substance … all turnovers hurt the same. Interesting.

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by D3Keith on Feb 1, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

not only does a FG cost slightly more than 2 FGs

it also evaporates a lot of playing time. and each turnover increases the probability of further turnovers because you are more likely to be losing and hence more likely to take greater risks to get the lead.

this is why the turnover, as bdawk4ever pointed out, has the highest correlation with losing of any statistical factor in football.

by 1993Heel on Feb 1, 2012 12:58 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I just don’t really know what to say to this post. I can’t believe so many people are forgetting how bad Castillo was. And it wasn’t just scheme or new players. He constantly had players in the completely wrong positions and made terrible play calls. I can only hope that people are this forgiving if I have a historically bad year at my job.

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by andyb on Feb 1, 2012 2:02 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Yes, yes, exactly!

If I’m ever put into a high-pressure situation like Juan Castillo, I really hope I have a boss like Andy Reid.

It’s nice not to be accountable for your failures. Makes for a relaxing work environment.

by UnclaimedFright on Feb 1, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Good write up.

Some people will disagree with what you said, some will dislike some of it and some will completely agree…. Which leads to discussion.

I fall in the category of dislike some but agree with most.

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by wild_eagle on Feb 1, 2012 3:52 AM EST reply actions  

Above average post and welcome

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by HawaiianGreen on Feb 1, 2012 5:38 AM EST reply actions  

Regarding the last 4 games

I agree that there was improvement. We let quarterbacks just as average as the likes of Moore, Sanchez, etc., come back against us earlier in the year. So there is reason for optimism.

But it should not be blind optimism. We shouldn’t get too excited about it. I want to see a couple of good games against quality QB’s before I am completely convince.

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by MRPH on Feb 1, 2012 7:30 AM EST reply actions  

Exactly. Its reason for optimism. But we really won’t know until he faces a team like the Saints. And there really wasn’t anybody better out there other than Spags. And he didn’t want to be here.

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by bdawk4ever on Feb 1, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Well if you had to deal with being a subordinate to a coach who just last year was coaching the offensive line, and you had won a Superbowl as a defensive coordinator and been a head coach in the NFL, why would you want to come to Philadelphia? He obviously doesn’t want to deal with Andy Reid’s shit.

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by packimop on Feb 1, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

He obviously doesn’t want to deal with Andy Reid’s shit.

Really? And here I thought that he and Reid got along fine and he simply preferred the position that the Saints had to offer more.

Learn something every day.

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by MRPH on Feb 1, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Let's not make this into a whole thing,

The Saints are light years better than the Eagles offensively, and probably have better personnel defensively.

Spags is looking out for Spags. Why eat hamburger when you can eat steak?

Now, it IS Andy’s fault that our team is ground beef and not a T-Bone.

by UnclaimedFright on Feb 1, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

If both teams were equal talent but same coaching staff, who does Spags choose?

Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.

by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST

by packimop on Feb 1, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Impossible to say,

Not being Spagnuolo. I’d imagine he’d make the same choice as he did in reality: Which team gives me the best chance to get another ring?

I’d imagine, all things being equal, he’d choose the Eagles – just because the NFC East is weaker than the NFC South.

by UnclaimedFright on Feb 1, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Well since he wouldn’t be DC on the Eagles I would guess Saints. Really what I disagree with is the “deal with Reid’s shit” part. What shit? Word is that Spags and Reid get along fine.

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by MRPH on Feb 1, 2012 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Regarding the stats

I’m not overly excited about the yardage ranking. Back in the 70’s and 80’s when I was a kid that was a bigger deal but not now. The NFL wants scoring. They want big plays. The rules are biased towards offenses.

Where we were not good was turnover ratio. Only three teams in the playoffs had a negative turnover ratio and none of them made it to a conference championship game. Eagles gave the ball away too much on offense and didn’t take it away enough on defense.

The NFL is now about big plays and turnovers.

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by MRPH on Feb 1, 2012 7:37 AM EST reply actions  

Continuity?

Where would the 49ers be if they had kept Mike Singletary for the sake continuity? Or the Broncos with Josh McTickles? Coaching matters! Keeping an overmatched coach for continuity’s sake means you’ll have the wrong kind of continuity.

by jdrautz303 on Feb 1, 2012 8:04 AM EST reply actions  

But they all had more than one year and a long offseason to show they were overmatched. Juan hasn’t.

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by bdawk4ever on Feb 1, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

And

The teams they coached remained the dregs of the NFL while they were getting “one more year”

by UnclaimedFright on Feb 1, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice writeup

I’m not putting blind faith in Castillo but at this point I agree that he should stay for the reasons that you mention. I think that bringing Bowles in will help.

Go Eagles!

by MRPH on Feb 1, 2012 8:08 AM EST reply actions  

To those who say the last 4 games were meaningless...

… would they have been meaningless to you if the defense gave up 35+ points each time? NO!!! You would have used it as indication of a failure of the coordinator and the players. I certainly would. But they stepped it up and whether those games were meaningless to you, they were NOT meaningless to the players. And I for one thoroughly enjoyed the trouncing of the Jets – a very satisfying win for me.

So I do take meaning from the last four wins. I don’t claim that team that ended the season would be well-matched against the Patriots (yes, we need real upgrades at linebacker and safety).

With proper acquisitions in the offseason, I look forward to seeing this defense play next season and think they will produce a much better overall outcome.

by 999 on Feb 1, 2012 9:03 AM EST reply actions  

You are joking right?

They played well from Miami on. So they played well against 4 teams they didn’t make the playoffs and all were .500 or below. The QBs for those team were all terrible, M. Moore/JP Losman, Mark Sanchez, Stephen McGee, and Rex Grossman. Those games are fools gold. Castillo can’t evaluate defensive talent obviously, starting Casey Matthews and Jared Page early in the season when it was obvious in the preseason they couldn’t start. Then misusing Asomugha in zone when he is one of the best man to man corners in the league. Also using the Wide Nine in rushing downs is something a PeeWee Football coach could tell you is a bad idea. The RedZone Defense was bottom of the league which it never was with JJ at the helm.

by DieHardPhilly33 on Feb 1, 2012 11:46 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

The redzone D has sucked for years, and I don’t think that’s because of coaching. And rip Juan all you want for starting the wrong players, but you better start ripping Reid for starting Kolb over Vick in 2010 too, just to be fair. Let’s face it, which was the bigger mistake there?

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by AnthroEagle on Feb 1, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

The football gods corrected that one for us :D

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by HawaiianGreen on Feb 1, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Kolb didn’t look as bad as Matthews and Page preseason, and no one was expecting Vick to have the year he did in 2010. The Red Zone defense has really only been terrible the last few seasons. Johnson’s last season they were middle of the pack. Castillo also does not seem to know how to make mid-game adjustment which is why we blew 5 4th quarter leads.

by DieHardPhilly33 on Feb 1, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Kolb didn’t look as bad as Matthews and Page preseason

Do you remember Kolb’s play in that preseason? I don’t think he got the ball past the 50 once. He was sacked over and over, looked hesitant and noodle-armed. I’m not saying that Page and Matthews had good preseasons (because they didn’t), but Kolb looked awful. if you’re gonna blame Castillo you have to blame Reid for his mistakes, and if you’re gonna say that those mistakes make Castillo a bad coach, then Reid is a bad coach.

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by AnthroEagle on Feb 1, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Andy

Had the foresight to correct that personnel mistake after one game.

Assuming he wouldn’t shitcan Juan Castillo midseason, that means by the end of 2012 he will have given dude about 30 games too many.

by UnclaimedFright on Feb 1, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Not true. You think Reid would have made that change after one game if Kolb wasn’t injured? Probably after four or five games, just like Castillo did.

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by AnthroEagle on Feb 1, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell of a kickoff but it didn't go out the back of the end zone, so I'm returning it

First of all, welcome to BGN, and you’re clearly a gutsy guy to take on a bunch of the fanbase this way.
Let me say I agree with you partway. The Wide 9 and Washburn were not going to get scrapped. That doesn’t make keeping Castillo the right call, it means Andy worked himself into a corner where it became the only call.
Remember Lurie after Week 17 saying some changes were going to have to be made?
Everyone took it to mean that Juan was gone and there would be a new DC.
Instead, Johnnie Lynn was fired and Bowles was brought in.
From the moment Bowles was hired I suspected Castillo was not going anywhere. Because any incoming DC, especially an experienced one, is going to expect to (or want to) have the first word about choosing position coaches on his side of the ball. Start by saying “hey Spags (or whoever), how would you like to come to Philly and be my DC? But you can’t change our DL coach and we have to run the Wide 9, that’s not negotiable” – a lot of potential DC’s are not going to be coming out here in that situation. Add in a new DB’s coach, which means you’re not going to fire him right away either, and a lot less DC’s are going to be coordinating here if they’re handcuffed personnel wise at 2 out of the 3 lines of defense.
So who is left? Either someone unexperienced enough to jump at being offered the job, or somebody who is clearly “Andy’s man”. Juan – sort of fits the bill both ways there.

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by Rabbit T on Feb 1, 2012 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

And the implications behind that are

That Andy clearly refused to get rid of Castillo (or eventually told Lurie he couldn’t find the right guy to bring in). Which means that he put his own head on the chopping block next to Juan’s in case the next season goes badly, especially if it’s seen as being the defense’s fault. Unless, hypothetically, Andy told Lurie “Juan stays because I can’t realistically get another guy to take his position under these circumstances” (see above post), but added to that “Look, boss, if the defense looks bad next year, Bowles will take it over”.
So it’s one more year of the Andy and Juan show, and if that doesn’t pan out, a total housecleaning.

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by Rabbit T on Feb 1, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

lol
From the moment Bowles was hired I suspected Castillo was not going anywhere.

The news on the two things broke together. Just sayin

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by D3Keith on Feb 1, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't find out about them at the same time

News doesn’t all arrive overseas at the same rate. My mistake I guess.

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