Eagles Hire Bowles as Secondary Coach and Retain Castillo as DC. (Update: It's official)
by Route36 on Jan 30, 2012 12:03 PM EST
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According to Jeff McLane of The Inquirer via an NFL source, the Eagles are set to hire Todd Bowles as secondary coach. Juan Castillo will also be retained as Defensive Coordinator. The team will meet with Bowles today and Andy Reid will hold his first press conference tomorrow since the win against the Redskins on January 1st. Bowles would be replacing Johnnie Lynn who was fired earlier this month. The Eagles also tried to interview Bowles for the open Defensive Coordinator position last off-season but Miami blocked it.
If hired, he will be bringing 22 years of NFL experience with him. Eight of those years as a player. He had coaching stints with the Jets(DB coach), Browns(Defensive Nickel Package Coach/Secondary), Cowboys(Secondary), and the Dolphins(Secondary/Interim Head coach). He was named interim head coach of the Dolphins on December 18, 2011 for their final three games. He finished 2-1 with the lone loss coming against the Patriots. After the season, Bowles interviewed with the Dolphins and Raiders for their head coaching positions but the offers instead went to Joe Philbin and Dennis Allen respectively. He will now be expected to significantly improve the Eagles secondary which seriously under-performed this past season.
As for Castillo, Reid obviously felt Castillo and the defense improved over the course of the season which earned him at least another year as Defensive Coordinator. According to Reuben Frank, Andy Reid never seriously considered replacing Juan Castillo. I guess all the expectations and speculations were all for naught.
More on this story later as it gets officially announced.
Update by Route36 [January 30, 2012 4:06 PM] It's official. Andy Reid will meet the media tomorrow at noon.
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Sticking with the pyrite, I see.
by Eagle Fly Free on Jan 30, 2012 12:09 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
Yay for fool’s gold! /barfs
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I get it now
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by theaction on Jan 30, 2012 4:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i still dont
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-Michael Vick #7
Pyrite = Fools Gold
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Probably the only coaching change we will see.
I knew he was keeping Castillo especially with Spags being the only other option (rumor option).
Be better to demote Castillo to secondary coach and have Bowles as the DC….
So Sixers fan here.... just asking a question.
so I heard you guy are 8.5 mil over the cap. Who do you see leaving next year?
by BIBTD on Jan 28, 2012 6:14 PM PST reply actions
the rest of the fans
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i am pretty sure everyone is going to look at it as Bowles being the DC really. Demoting Juan would mean they made a mistake and thats a big no no for them to admit too
They did not make a mistake
they completely f*cked it up
Rumor has it,
he will be farting the National Anthem; no mean feat.
Really? You're excited?
Bet you $10 he says nothing of significance.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
I'll take "Time's Yours"
for $800.00 Alex.
by The Reddgie on Jan 30, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
I like the hiring of Bowles and how we're keeping Castillo
At least we can have some continuity. I honestly think with 2 new LBs, and keeping DeSean (or trading him and getting a replacement) along with fixing all those problems we had (turnovers, drops, etc) we are going to be a lot better… With a successful free agency and draft, I would actually put my money on the eagles winning the SB.
Just wait until December..
That being said
I would have been a lot more confident if we managed to get Spags and move Castillo to LBers coach
Just wait until December..
That having been said, or is it "having had been said",
we, or for that matter, any permutation thereof, did not manage to “get” Spags, so maybe Castillo will move on to the Bears and become their Lilliput Coach, and with that, restore confidence, in some fans, in the maturing process that all NFL Franchises need to go through before they can hope to lock their fanbases into a pseudoreflexive, “give me more” attitude, in the all but hopeless yearning for a Super Bowl triumph; the carrot to end all carrots.
May you live, as it were, in peace.
You, my sir, should be an attourney. With all that vernacular spin you just whipped out, I am vey impressed and confused. Now may I see the colloquial essence of your statement?
Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant
by EagleGreeninMD on Jan 30, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
guys a doosh, i was starting to right why hes a doosh, but its not even worth it. just a straight doosh
"Buddy doesn't have many rules but one of them is don't lose to the Cowboys."
I'm not a douche!!
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
no not you, waterfield is the douche
"Buddy doesn't have many rules but one of them is don't lose to the Cowboys."
oh yea he def is lol, but that’s just from South Park when they gave the “biggest douche in the universe award” to that one guy that “read minds” or whatever. Basically he went around the entire episode saying “I’m not a douche” in a douchey voice.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
I think everybody would have
Even Juan. You can never have too many good coaches on staff.
All that said, bringing Castillo back doesn’t seem to be as terrible a move as some would have you believe. The D wasn’t the source of all the issues, and I believe the D can be capable with Juan in charge, especially if we nail the draft and the offense cleans up its turnovers and helps the D out.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Wouldn't you say we need a new linebackers coach as well?
I can’t remember who that even is right now
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Exactly.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
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Wow, you went from what we saw last season to putting your money on them to win the superbowl. Quite the jump I would say, considering the only coaching change is our Secondary coach.
by We are Legion on Jan 30, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Not everyone...
Just the lemmings who let this regime fool them once again and somehow thought the talent at linebacker and safety was Super Bowl worthy.
by thehorah on Jan 30, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not me. I thought they’d be good, but I always thought the offseason would hurt them.
2011 New York Giants- Worst NFC Champs Ever
Team Keep Andy and Juan
Wow
You’r preety smart.
What cereil do you eat? for bereakfast?
People like to exaggerate
And the revisionsists like to act like they saw this all coming. There was the Klausner article and the doomsday after the Steelers preseason game, but almost everyone at BGN thought we had 12-win+ potential.
Nobody that I recall thought the LBs were all-stars, but hoped they’d be okay. A lot of us didn’t see S being as bad as it was, or one of the three corners being useless at all times.
A lot of people underestimated how bad those parts would be, and even then we didn’t think it would be enough to derail the whole thing.
There were so many times where if the Eagles had just been adequate instead of outright bad, things could have gone differently. In the end though, this might be for the best. Team is humbled and not feeling itself. No more [Vince Young quote that shall never be spoken again] that’s for sure.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Yes,
And this is why “Oh, let’s field the same exact team as last year!” shouldn’t fly in any functional organization.
The difference between 8-8 and the playoffs was literally this – if our team had been mediocre rather than truly awful.
And someone needs to be fired for that.
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 31, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Think about it… If we’re able to draft Kuechly and sign a good OLB, or we sign a good MLB (Lofton, but that’s a dream) and we draft a good OLB (Brown or something) then honestly, we have one of the top defenses in the league, especially when we’re ahead… Yeah, we’re not on the 49ers/Ravens/Steelers level, but we’re a really scary defense regardless
Then if u factor in a happy and ambitious DeSean Jackson, and a Maclin with a healthy offseason, with an oline that got A LOT better as the season went on, with Michael Vick as our QB, then we should be able to dominate, shouldn’t we?
I mean, in 2010, our problem was our D didn’t have enough talent
In 2011, we turned over the ball, didn’t have any LBers, and as cliche as it is, we didn’t have time to gel
I honestly believe that if we can fix our LB problems (simply by adding talent) and our turnover problems (which were an anomalie since Reid is generally really good with turnover differential) then we really have a shot…
This team lost 5 4th quarter leads… If we held our ground, theoretically we would have been 13-3… You can believe what you want to believe, but I think that we have a serious shot next year with a successful offseason
Just wait until December..
Drinkin’ the Kool-Aid?
Just kidding! I am too. I dislike the move, I feel the DC position should have been upgraded, but I agree with you as well. I still think we will improve and if the mistakes and be minimized(i.e. See Alex Smith’s season) we will go a lot farther. As much of a “Duh” statement as that is, I had to say it.
Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant
by EagleGreeninMD on Jan 30, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Problem:
“A lot farther” is not far enough. No more Conference title games. No more superbowl appearances. This team has to win the Superbowl. And regardless of whether you agree or disagree with the potential improvement (which I tend to agree with btw), is Juan Castillo on paper with the defensive coordinators that have won Superbowls in the last 15 years?
If the answer is “No”, then it’s hard to have anything other than nervousness about staying pat.
Why do people always think I'm playing the Race Card???
Is it because I'm black???
It could be a Super Bowl or bust season.
Juan would be an outlier if he won it all. I’m not entirely comfortable with just Juan, but I just couldn’t see a better option.
2011 New York Giants- Worst NFC Champs Ever
Team Keep Andy and Juan
Exactly
Why is it so hard to accept that? Nobody lovees
Besides, everyone is an outlier the first time it happens. They used to say Peyton could never win the big one, that black men couldn’t coach or play QB, etc.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
I think a one-and-done is not enough
But I think “Super Bowl or bust” is straight bluster. I don’t think he’d fire Reid if they went 13-3 and lost in the NFC title game or something, even if that’d be the tipping point for most of Philadelphia.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
as expected.
Now if we could only get Mike Singletary in here as a linebacker coach…
makes me wonder...
How all these guys who have DECADES coaching on the defensive side of the ball feel about deferring to a guy who has ONE disastrous season as a defensive coordinator.
Except it wasn’t disastrous
2011 New York Giants- Worst NFC Champs Ever
BOB
by bdawk4ever on Jan 30, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
With the talent we had, I call 8-8 boarderline disastrous.
El Donkerino (if you're not into the whole brevity thing).
I miss me some Brian Dawkins :(
by El Donkerino on Jan 30, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
4-12 is disastrous. 8-8 is disappointing. Especially with the offseason.
2011 New York Giants- Worst NFC Champs Ever
Team Keep Andy and Juan
I see what you are saying
For me and my expectations 8-8 falls somewhere between disappointing and disastrous.
El Donkerino (if you're not into the whole brevity thing).
I miss me some Brian Dawkins :(
by El Donkerino on Jan 30, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
settled.............
very amicably……well done.
It's never easy being an Eagle fan........but I'll be damned if I ever stop.
Sign Spags Now !!!
by JJeaglerooter on Jan 30, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The incredible moving argument
With the talent we had, I call 8-8 boarderline disastrous.
One day we have all the talent in the world, the next the linebackers and safeties couldn’t start for Archbishop Ryan.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
I don't seem to remember
When anyone was calling Casey Matthews and Jarrad Page “All world”.
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 31, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
8-8 is the team record.
No matter how bad, you can’t hang that all on the defensive coordinator.
Why do people always think I'm playing the Race Card???
Is it because I'm black???
by Qwest on Jan 30, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol dumbass
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
who's a............
It's never easy being an Eagle fan........but I'll be damned if I ever stop.
Sign Spags Now !!!
by JJeaglerooter on Jan 30, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Actually I can see this as giving Castillo a VERY short leash
If he fucks up now…Castillo can be fired quickly, with the reins passed off to a capable coach who the players can respect, and who can get results
I fear that this is Andy’s last year as the Eagles head coach.
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
by h2o_34_35_44 on Jan 30, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe you and I are the only ones that picture a life after AR. In my mind it looks something like a team in Washington, Oakland, Denver, Carolina, Miami, Jacksonville, Cleveland, Seattle, Tampa Bay, Dallas, the list goes on of teams who are not in the hunt and, don’t seem to be on the verge of getting there any time soon.
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
by h2o_34_35_44 on Jan 31, 2012 5:42 AM EST up reply actions
Or is it giving him help?
If Juan sees Bowles as a potential near-term replacement in case he stumbles – then we’re really screwed this season. Juan has enough to worry about without looking over his shoulder to see if one of his new assistants is trying to second guess him and take his job.
Lets hope that Bowles and Juan form a great working collaboration where they trust each other and help each other. If they succeed together, then Juan is well placed to succeed AR when he retires or take a HC job elsewhere after a couple of seasons, with Bowles as DC.
I remember reading that Juan said that he thought the coaching staff was at their best when he could go down the hall and try out new O-line ideas/schemes with JJ, where they would go back and forth and figure out what moves/countermoves might work as far as schemes and calls. Lets hope that Bowles’ brings his deeper defensive experience to that kind of collaboration, so that we get creative schemes sharpened during the week at Novacare rather than learning during games like we saw this year.
I think it is a real plus for both Andy and Juan that a legit HC candidate is willing to join the staff as an assistant – lets hope it was because they are all on the same page, excited about how they can win in 2012 rather than as a backstop, planning for failure…
by PrincetonGreen on Jan 30, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
How is it that
guys with 20-30 years experience coaching in the NFL can’t see what a 10 year-old fan can see watching the feed from Fox TV?
As dumb and repulsive as he is, Jo Buck should be the owner, GM, HC, OC, and DC of the Phila. Eagles.
We could not fail more miserably.
Joe Buck .....
is a jock sniffer.
It's never easy being an Eagle fan........but I'll be damned if I ever stop.
Sign Spags Now !!!
by JJeaglerooter on Jan 30, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
joe not jo
you missed an “e” in the spelling of joe
"Buddy doesn't have many rules but one of them is don't lose to the Cowboys."
If Castillo is to be retained as DC, having experienced, talented position coaches behind him is a must. So I like this hire.
Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
This and drafting him some real talent
with those three early picks.
If he can’t churn out a good defense with all that, then it’s him.
Actually watching all 16 games this year, it didn’t seem that Castillo’s mistakes — and he certainly made some — were the sole reason we underachieved. Or even the main reason.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
cough turnovers & luck.
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
by h2o_34_35_44 on Jan 31, 2012 5:44 AM EST up reply actions
YES
This is great news. I like keeping Castillo, and pairing him with someone who has experience is a good move.
The continuity with a DC is important, especially with the guys finally getting the system. I think this team is close, and really, except for Spags, there was no other better candidate out there that was worth making a change for.
2011 New York Giants- Worst NFC Champs Ever
BOB
by bdawk4ever on Jan 30, 2012 12:25 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Exactly my thoughts
Just wait until December..
by maximdim on Jan 30, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Looks like it's a small group
of us who are not devastated by this obviously-coming move.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
I don't know how much stock to put into this..
But my friend, who is a die-hard 49ers fan, told me that Johnnie Lynn was a really terrible coach while he coached the 49ers secondary the year before we hired him. He said he understood why our secondary played like shit this year even though we have so many good corners. Again I don’t think this alone was the reason for them under performing but it definitely must have played a role seeing how he was the only one that was sacked..
From EaglesNut on Twitter
“Eagles wanted to interview Bowles for DC last year but MIA blocked it.”
2011 New York Giants- Worst NFC Champs Ever
Team Keep Andy and Juan
The Eagles also tried to interview Bowles for the open Defensive Coordinator position last off-season but Miami blocked it.
They needed him around to help with that 3-13 season.
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
by h2o_34_35_44 on Jan 30, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yaaaaaaawwwwwnnnnn
As long as FF is at the helm with Lauria as the CEO it’s frigging irrelevant.
I mean you could clone the young Buddy Ryan and stick him out there but if you cant draft defensive players to save you life whats the point?
I so hate this team I used to love.
by AndyReidsPersonalAntagonist on Jan 30, 2012 12:44 PM EST reply actions
LOL@U
At least one more year of Andy and Juan. If they don't win it all they both better be gone!
No way Eagles draft a LB in the first round 2012.
We will see if Spags was in the right place at the right time in the Gmens SB run. Or was that the fluke year and he really is just mediocre.
by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 30, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Naww Im now 100% convinced Lauria got his trophy. It’s name is Oscar. It’s all business with the Eagles for him.
by AndyReidsPersonalAntagonist on Jan 30, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
good
I just think its funny to see all the know-it-alls scream and pull their hair out.
If bowles and Juan work together this offseason, and they get a real LB, things can significantly improve.
I like turtles.
by Bleediots on Jan 30, 2012 12:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Hope you mean linebacker'S
We need at least two.
by Saidrick on Jan 30, 2012 12:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Definitely two
There’s a ton of bodies. We could use a couple studs. Hopefully one in FA so we have super flexibility in the draft .
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Bowles is a good hire.
And I think we all knew Castillo was staying now it’s just OFFICIAL. Bowles has DRC, Nnamdi and Hanson to work with plus 2 guys to develop in Hughes and Marsh. Most likely Samuel is going to be traded. I hope Castillo learned his lesson less zone more press coverage and man to man. Play to the strengths of Nnamdi and DRC.
by Almightypudster on Jan 30, 2012 12:53 PM EST reply actions
Who has ever called it gold?
Even the people who don’t hate the Castillo hire or his performance this year aren’t in love with him.
This is something BGNers say just to say.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Yeah yeah yeah
“The Gold Standard?” I’m talking about the team, not what we say here.
And yes this is Philly, you welcome to come check us
And it's an expression, you're taking it literally.
This team fires Lynn and keeps Castillo in the false hope that it’s an improvement. This team overestimates its own capabilities.
And yes this is Philly, you welcome to come check us
The only thing being taken wrong
is context you’re adding to the team’s moves.
I’m sure it’s far more likely the team wanted to add Spags as its DC but were spurned and were left with this as their lesser of however many evils option than they are kidding themselves into believing this is the best possible option two offseasons running.
But the NFL is competitive world, and even the Eagles can’t get everyone they want, despite some fans’ apparent belief that everyone is always available if the damn front office would stop sitting on their wallets and just stop being so arrogant.
Be realistic.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
"Gold Standard"
is code for “I’m a condescending prick who thinks I’m smarter than those those dumbshits Joe Banner and Howie Roseman and Andy Reid.” It’s the type of substance-free stuff you find in the comments section on Philly.com.
It is never used in a constructive argument, nor are the terms “All In” or “Dream Team.”
Feel free to post whatever you want, I don’t want to be labeled the thought police. I just think it makes people sound like bitter and condescending. It only works when it’s done like Evil Banner or DickMuffin does it and the shit is funny.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Is Bowles going to serve also as an assistant DC? I refuse to believe that they brought in someone that they thought could’ve been the DC just to coach up the secondary
by TimmyGee on Jan 30, 2012 12:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
From what I’ve heard they said he well have no other official title except being the secondary coach.
2011 New York Giants- Worst NFC Champs Ever
Team Keep Andy and Juan
"Official"
If he doesnt make juan put them in Man coverage so Aso can do his thing I will flip
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Bowles should know enough to have play much more press man. THANK GOD. Like you said let Nnamdi do what he does. But in terms of the “assistant DC”, ill bet Bowles has a fairly significant role and input into how the defense operates as a whole. Bowles and Castillo will probably work together is my guess, with Castillo just having the “official” title. And I bet no one says that in the organization, and it’s just kept under the radar
by shadyeagle25 on Jan 30, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
What about Washburn
I always thought he more or less called the shots as far as the DL’s scheme, which influences Juan’s overall scheme.
Castillo might have the least clout of the three lol
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Here goes the airing of pet theories
Why didn’t Spags get hired? Because he wanted full control over the defense, including, if he wanted to, potentially scrapping the wide 9. Reid wants Washburn there as a given no matter who’s DC. Only way that can work is if the DC is basically “Reid’s guy” – ergo, Castillo.
I think Reid wants to make it look like the Bowles hire is improving part of the defense and giving Castillo some help. It might also mean what you say, Keith, that Castillo ends up being the defensive figurehead wedged in between Washburn and Bowles.
However it also seems to me, since Reid stood by Castillo, that it means Reid has hitched their wagons together. In other words, if the defense isn’t solid next year, both of them go down, unless they can do a Pats or a 2010-1 Packers and just outscore everybody.
"Wired into a different set of circuits from the rest of McWorld" (David Ignatius)
... and vaffanculo to all other jurisdictions!
Debe ser verde y volante - Πράσινο και να πετάει - It's gotta be green and it's gotta fly!
I like it
just for the thought of the FO infusing the coaching staff with much needed outside philo.
A lot of things make sense now.
I like Bowles.
The guy seems like an up and commer.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
I love that hire. Quality move. I dislike keeping Castillo on, Reid has always proven to be loyal to a fault and he should have just stepped up and upgraded the position.
Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant
by EagleGreeninMD on Jan 30, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
But if the upgrades took jobs elsewhere
or couldn’t be lured away, and the remaining candidates were sideways moves or slight improvements, sticking with the guy who had some success and at least has players who know his scheme and will run Washburn’s stuff … kinda makes sense.
That seems like what happened.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Bingo.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Is he still considered an up-and-comer when he’s 48 and has been an NFL coach for 11 years?
I'll give you a cookie if you know what my pic is from.
In certain circles, Yes.
Unfortunately, those circles are somewhat circumscribed and illiterate. Be that as it may…
When your HC blocks a team from interviewing you & later on that year you take on the term “interim” HC take the team to a few wins (who were previously win less) than move to a city where the DC may not be long for this world, yeah I would call him an up and comer.
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
by h2o_34_35_44 on Jan 31, 2012 5:47 AM EST up reply actions
If not a “valuable” asset to say the least.
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
by h2o_34_35_44 on Jan 31, 2012 5:48 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, up and commer as in looks like he's about to make the jump from
position coach to DC or whatever.
Never said “YOUNG up and comer” did I?
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
I hate to do this
but I called it.
Dedication without talent is a daydream. Talent without dedication is a nightmare.
Yes, an experience secondary coach will really help out Castillo. Just like Dick Jauron’s experience help out McDermott.
With that said, I’m indifferent on the hiring. I don’t think one positional coach is going to change the Eagles all that much. The secondary situation isn’t going to change; a good CB duo (Nnamdi and Asante/DRC) with a good nickle back (Hanson) and an inexperience safety position.And unless something crazy happens, Castillo will still be the one calling the defensive plays.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
"WHY IS THIS PINK-HAIRED BITCH A CAR?!"
Well Bowles is a Temple graduate.
Hopefully he can develop fellow Owl alum Jaiquawn Jarrett . I think Allen will come back 100% this season and show why he was a 2nd rd pick he pretty much has the FS position locked down. Now SS is up for grabs Coleman played too up and down last year and Page was clearly not the answer and Jarrett hardly had time to develop leading upto his rookie season. I think with a full offseason and Bowles taking over maybe Jarrett will step up and be the guy at SS. He needs to get stronger for sure though that is a must.
by Almightypudster on Jan 30, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
He'll have to be amazing
.. to lock down FS and be the guy at SS…
by ChillBillinChina on Jan 30, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Ah
Completely missed his name, ha, just went from Jarrett in the first line and second round pick, FS locked down. Whoops.
by ChillBillinChina on Jan 31, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Castillo advocates/defenders
Largely baffle me. The last 4 games really improved the overall defensive stats including 2 utterly meaningless games where the ’Boys played there backups & Skins gave a half-hearted effort.
The Eagles’ defense wasn’t horrible this year but it was another year where it was mediocre overall & with little improvement from the previous year despite an infusion of talent.
Boys didn’t play backups. & Skins gave full effort …. it only looked like they 1/2 assed it.
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
by h2o_34_35_44 on Jan 30, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
McGee and Morris are starters?
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
Those two started because of injuries. MG77 made it sound like they were resting all of their starters.
That’s because you’re looking at it the wrong way. When you see it as “Castillo supporters” it makes those people (including myself) look like they’re supporting the coach who ran a bad defense. Look at it as people defending continuity instead. This defense won’t improve by putting in a new DC every season. Castillo made changes and tried stuff out, it would be different if we were getting the same looks all year and not making an adjustment.
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Based on what you said, wouldn’t continuity in this case be running a bad defense again?
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
Because we are arguing the defense got better- even if it went from bad to mediocre. With continuity- it can get better. That’s the argument.
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13 points to the Rams week 1, 13 to the Redskins week 6, 7 to the Cowboys week 8
10 to the Dolphins week 14, 19 to the Jets week 15, 7 to the Cowboys week 16, 10 to the Redskins week 17
They shut down shitty offenses in the first half of the season the same way they shut them down in the second half. It means nothing and does not show improvement.
I'll give you a cookie if you know what my pic is from.
They didn’t the Bills, the Seahawks, or the Cardinals.
And again, they did it four times in a row. Even against bad competition, that’s hard to do. Especially when they have nothing to play for.
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I like how you use this argument for the Eagles, and yet when it comes to the Giants, who are playing significantly better teams, you claim that they’re a horrible team and that the Eagles are just as good as them because of the way they played at the end of the season.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
That’s because the Eagles actually played well- they didn’t get lucky like the Giants. Huge difference.
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God you’re so amazingly stupid.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
by packimop on Jan 30, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
He’s a mega-homer.
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Iggles Nest
"Stats are for fantasy and losers. Winning is an attitude."
It’s ridiculous. He’s been spewing retarded nothings ever since the season ended.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
You’ve been stalking me saying retarded things.
What I say actually has logic behind it.
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You’re an idiot. I’ve been mostly absent from this site because I’m disgusted in the Eagles organization. Look how many comments I have in the past month. Probably 1/5 of yours at most. Don’t worry, I still see all your brilliant deductions.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
You cannot argue logic
when you opponent is irrational. Seriously, take the counsel of Marcus Aurelius – stop expecting everyone to respond to good reasoning and you will be much happier.
"Difficulties strengthen the mind, as labor does the body."
― Seneca
Here comes the homer army.
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Iggles Nest
"Stats are for fantasy and losers. Winning is an attitude."
No, I analyze things instead of getting angry and rambling.
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No, you don’t. You make excuses and abstain any Eagles of blame. Go away homer, don’t you have a Juan Castillo poster you can go yank it to?
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"Stats are for fantasy and losers. Winning is an attitude."
And you twist everything negatively
so you match.
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Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
by Udalango on Jan 30, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well if he has to leave to Yank it to a Juan poster
maybe you should go Yank it to the Gif of Andy getting stabbed just saying
"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
So we are only allowed to tell people who dont agree with you to leave?
God you’re so awesome.
"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
Shut the fuck up. You entered into this conversation for the sole purpose of arguing with D-jack over absolutely nothing.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
WINNER.
The Curse of Lombardi
Iggles Nest
"Stats are for fantasy and losers. Winning is an attitude."
lol why dont you argue with him
instead of saying HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER HOMER like a fucking four year old
"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
There isn’t a point in arguing with him.
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Iggles Nest
"Stats are for fantasy and losers. Winning is an attitude."
I wouldnt know you havent tried
You both have like a thousand comments saying nothing but god you’re a stupid homer
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Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
by Udalango on Jan 30, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Seriously, the name calling is juvenile. I bet they could make a good point if they tried. They just get so angry.
It doesn’t help that I love to argue, and that I’m damn stubborn.
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by bdawk4ever on Jan 30, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Shut the fuck up. You entered into this conversation for the sole purpose of arguing with B Dawk over absolutely nothing. but saying your stupid
"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
Actually no. I entered into this thread because I KNEW that there were going to be people that were happy that Juan is staying and I’m expressing my feelings towards their beliefs. Nice try though.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
When ddid he say he was happy about it?
He said That he isnt angry he isnt gone theres a difference.
"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
Nope wrong.
If you actually read the front page at all rather than just jerking your shit in the eternal threads you would know that he is all about continuity and is happy Juan is back.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
lol PERSONAL ATTAACKS MAKE ME RIGHT!
Im on the front page now. And I read them all. I dont comment cause the negativitrons have taken over.
Maybe his ass is just coping with it better than you because being angry solves everything right?
"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
Happy’s the wrong would (if I used it before was wrong).
Its more I’m okay with it. It could be a disaster, but that’s not what I think is going to happy.
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Fucking this!
Im not happy he is back. But if he is then cool this is what we are workign with and I will continue to believe we can win
"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
Abso-fucking-lutely agree with you there.
El Donkerino (if you're not into the whole brevity thing).
I miss me some Brian Dawkins :(
by El Donkerino on Jan 30, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
This
When ddid he say he was happy about it?
He said That he isnt angry he isnt gone theres a difference.
Like anybody who doesn’t think the sky is falling and the Birds are going 4-12 next year is too blind to deal with reality lol
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
didnt you get banned a while bak
"Buddy doesn't have many rules but one of them is don't lose to the Cowboys."
wait was there a kid that made a phony pakimop id and got banned maybee?
"Buddy doesn't have many rules but one of them is don't lose to the Cowboys."
lol yea you got that one
it was “packimop killa”
hilarious
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
All you do is call me names, twist my words, and make sick jokes. You’re angry. I get that. I’m angry at the end of the season too. But I’m not going to let angry color my thinking.
I don’t excuse what happened this past season. I assign blame at Reid, Lurie, Castillo, and the players. They all had a hand in what happened. They all did stupid, stupid things. I hate how it turned out.
But the question is how to fix it. I’m trying to analyze it, find out what is the solution. We disagree, and that’s fine. I like to argue about it. But let’s not devolve this into name calling because you don’t like my conclusions.
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by bdawk4ever on Jan 30, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Beating four teams with atrocious offenses in a row is not as hard as you make it seem. At least it shouldn’t be for a contender. The Bills (Jackson), Seahawks, (Lynch), and Cardinals (Fitzgerald) all had major offensive weapons, and we failed miserably at stopping them. Against teams with no offensive weapons, we could shut them down. Again, I don’t see how this proves they’ve improved.
I'll give you a cookie if you know what my pic is from.
Exactly- we failed at stopping them early, then stopped teams later. That’s the definition of improvement.
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My point was that those teams had competent offenses. They’re not comparable to the drivel we faced the last 4 weeks.
I'll give you a cookie if you know what my pic is from.
What I’m trying to say is that this team had already proven it could beat a team with no healthy offensive talent by beating the Rams, Skins, and Boys. Beating 4 more such teams at the end of the season is no different than beating those three in the first half.
I'll give you a cookie if you know what my pic is from.
Those same Redskins who were duking it out with the patriots, or those same Miami Dolphins who were scoring before and after they faced the Eagles? Or those same Cowboys who put up 34 on the Giants?
I’m not apologizing for their failures, but I agree that to consistently keep your opponent to < 20 pts per game is impressive. Not to mention doing it to one of the superbowl bound teams.
by SuburbanElite on Jan 30, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, 3 bottom half offenses and the Cowboys with McGee at QB and Morris at RB. You can’t cherry pick games out of their schedules to make that look impressive.
I'll give you a cookie if you know what my pic is from.
Just like you can’t discount the statistics. Out of those 8 games, they played 3 bottom half offenses (according to you) and held them under 20 points. That’s impressive. Not nearly as impressive as their catastrophic failures in giving up 4th quarter leads, but still it’s a feat.
by SuburbanElite on Jan 30, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Nope. Like I said, Castillo was changing things and trying things, and we did see overall improvement. Put it on the strength of schedule if you like, but was the end of our season really that much easier than the first half? We had some cake teams in the first 8 games.
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Is that enough improvement to not still be shitty?
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
Yes. We went from very bad against below average teams to very good against average ones. It’s trending in the right direction, and its not like we can change Andy’s mind so we might as well roll with it.
Formerly DeSean10
36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green
Team Kuechly, J. Jenkins, Iloka
Those weren’t average ones. The Dallas second team all stars. J.P. Losman. Rex Grossman and Evan Royster. A Jets team in the midst of self destructing.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
Seriously. It’s a joke how people just forget the beginning of the season and remember the last four games when they played horrible offenses. Those offenses were/are so bad that they literally can’t exploit a defense when it makes mistakes; No shit they’re going to make the Eagles look good.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
Does anyone really honestly think that if the Eagles were playing the Saints, Packers, Detroit, Patriots, or any other top tier offense in the NFL that they would still have put up those same defensive stats in the last four games? If they do, major durp factor.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
Not this year, definitely not. But next year? With some talent upgrades? Absolutely.
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Jeez, how many years in a row have you said that? Lol, you’re an unbearable homer.
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"Stats are for fantasy and losers. Winning is an attitude."
And your a hater. I say it every year because its true. This team is always close.
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Except when we’re not.
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Iggles Nest
"Stats are for fantasy and losers. Winning is an attitude."
Like the last 3 seasons.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
Except we were one win from knocking the NFC Champs out of the playoffs altogether. Isn’t that pretty close?
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Lol dude that was the first play off game
who is to say we run the table after that
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Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
Right. But they didn’t. Hey, you know how the Eagles lost to the Packers twice last season? Well, you know how the Giants lost to the Packers earlier this season, but then went and beat them at Lambeau Field? Remember that? ok just making sure.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
Just making sure you know what actual contenders do when it matters most.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
Oh I know. The Eagles haven’t’ shown that ability recently. That doesn’t mean they aren’t close.
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But the Giants HAVE shown that ability. Thanks for agreeing.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
They certainly know how to win when the chips are down.
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Which makes them……
better than the Eagles!
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
At least equal, maybe a little better.
Not sure why you are so happy the Giants are better.
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by bdawk4ever on Jan 30, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I just want to know why the Packers picked that game to play their worst game of the year?? Why oh why??
by PhilsForever on Jan 30, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Karma on Aaron Rodgers
For acting in stupid commercials
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The curse of the Discount Double-Check?
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 31, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
I think you’re the one forgetting the start of the season, not I. The Rams sucked. The Falcons were way overrated. We sucked against SF’s average offense. Buffalo beat the shit out of us. We played Washington, Dallas, and a NYG team that was terrible at the time. Our defense sucked against those teams. Was the second half REALLY worse than those teams? I don’t think so, and yet we still saw improvement.
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by AnthroEagle on Jan 30, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Our defense sucked against the Redskins the first game? Really? That was their first decent game of the season. And then against the Cowboys? You mean when the blowout game? The game when Romo’s offense only scored one touchdown? Yea they were terrible that game too.
Big fucking deal if they were able to string together four decent games against teams that SHIT THE BED on offense the majority of the season. Didn’t you read any of the articles by Eagle’s beat writers? About how the team was still making the same mistakes, but the shitty offenses they were facing couldn’t exploit them? You think that if you sub in the Patriots instead of the Redskins the last weekend, you think that the Eagles would have been able to stop them? FUCK NO
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
Our defense sucked against the Redskins the first game? Really? That was their first decent game of the season. And then against the Cowboys? You mean when the blowout game? The game when Romo’s offense only scored one touchdown? Yea they were terrible that game too.
I actually purposely excluded those games from individual criticism because we actually were good against them. But either way, I don’t see how our defense having good games helps your cause at all. And you’re getting awfully heated about something that is out of your control. Aim your vitriolic rants elsewhere, I’m just somebody whose trying to take these updates and roll with them. Its not like anything anyone says here will make the Eagles do something different.
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by AnthroEagle on Jan 30, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I feel you packimop, I do
But wasn’t the beginning of the season more on playing players in the wrong position: Casey Experiment, Nnamdi plays zone (I mean the guy literally has MAN in his name), Vick getting knocked out of games and I didn’t even mention effects of the lock-out. The first part of the season was HORRID, absolutely NO arguing that, whether the teams they would play towards seasons end were bad or not they had to turn it around and show progression which is what happened. So if Castillo earns blame for the first half (which he should. I mean honestly [Nnamdi]) then he also earns credit for keeping the playoff hopes alive towards the end under even more scrutiny than in the beginning of the season.
ok, the giants suck.
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 4th
Are there any though?
Castillo advocates/defenders
Largely baffle me.
C’mon. There’s people who hate this and people who are resigned to it and see the potential.
Nobody is really a Juan Castillo advocate.
I think the D could be fine with him in charge but I would not have shed a tear for him to be replaced with Spagnuolo or someone else with a strong track record. I imagine everyone else who doesn’t see this as the end of competitive Eagles football is largely in the same place.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Exactly. Nobody is confusing Juan Castillo for anything great. In fact, my news about his return is largely, “okay, whatever, let’s draft and sign people who can tackle in the Wide-9.” I’d have had the same reaction if the Eagles hired Spags, although people would probably interpret me as a Spags “hater” or something because I believe him to be overrated and not anything that special. And my comments would have reflected such.
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That is because you’re stats simpleton where you don’t actually understand what you’re talking about so you rely on statistics to form your arguments.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 31, 2012 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
Eagles' PR spin in full effect
They clearly wanted Spagnuolo (who isn’t the panacea to this defense because they primarily need better LBs and better S play), he chose a better job with a more stable organization, and now we have to listen to nonsense how Reid wanted Castillo all along. Horse$hit.
Pretty much
Half of what the brass says is bullshit, the other half lies. I don’t believe any of their verbal diarrhea.
And yes this is Philly, you welcome to come check us
Yup
Reid’s gonna have to go out of his way to deflect or not answer that question 4-5 times tomorrow.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
what do you want them to say?
“Oh yeah we wanted spags but he didn’t want us so i guess were sticking with this guy” thats a confidence booster
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by So. Cal Swag on Jan 30, 2012 1:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
No, but...
They always act like what they’re saying should be taken for gospel, and they’re incredulous when anyone (i.e. the media) suggests otherwise. Last year, Andy acted like it was ridiculous to be asked about Sean McDermott’s job security, and a week later they fired his sorry ass.
And yes this is Philly, you welcome to come check us
I've learned to accept it and i think
Thats how every organization is too. We’re not the only ones that get fed this bs. Thats why i love bgn where the f.o gets called out for their bullshit statements and decisions.
I had alien women suck me off when god said let there be light i turned it the fuck off I'll leave your body drenched in the blood of all your ancestors
You'll never be at peace, like the souls of child molestors I'll cut you and bless your festering wounds with alcohol This is the final call, for all the rappers that wanna brawl Immortal Technique, the wrong motherfucker to diss
'Cause I allow God to let you motherfuckers existI got a Black Panther mentality with a spic fist You don't want beef with people like me so don't pretend
I'll resurrect your aborted baby and kill it again You get no props in hip-hop like feminine men You ain't hardcore, I'll smack the shit out of your mother You wanna be gutter? I'll leave you laid out in the street Signed yours truly, the motherfucking Immortal Technique
by So. Cal Swag on Jan 30, 2012 1:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
True
But there are proponents of the brass on this site, the Thought Police, that would attempt to ban anyone who dares criticize Reid.
And yes this is Philly, you welcome to come check us
Those guys piss me off so much. You might as well say “Oh, you’re unhappy with an elected official? That’s so un-American! Why don’t you just leave if you’re so unhappy with America!” Such fucking morons.
I'll give you a cookie if you know what my pic is from.
I haven’t seen that. I’ve seen people say leave to people who say “I’m done with this team” or “I hate this team”.
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Juan Castillo, ladies and gentlemen.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
I am implying that you must be Juan.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
Yes I know. That’s just stupid. Nice argument there buddy.
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by bdawk4ever on Jan 30, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not with the blind loyalty. And, I know you can’t be Spuds, because he has a different username.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
I’m not blindly loyal. I just analyze what I see. I wanted McDermott gone last year.
2011 New York Giants- Worst NFC Champs Ever
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by bdawk4ever on Jan 30, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Theres a difference between blindly loyal
and seeing positive. instead of bitching nd moaning just cause it doesnt go the way you want
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Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
by Udalango on Jan 30, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I know that there is, and this individual is blindly loyal.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
No I’m not. If anything you’re blindly hateful.
I’m seeing positives. That’s not blindly loyal.
I never said Juan is the greatest DC ever, or that Reid is perfect. I just believe they are better than the alternative.
Argue my points, not my character. That’s the sign of a bad argument and a lazy person.
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Team Keep Andy and Juan
by bdawk4ever on Jan 30, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Aren’t you the fellow who doesn’t think there’s value in moving up ten slots in the draft?
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
Seems to me the knee-jerk Negadelphians are the lemmings
You’re definitely the masses, and the lynch mob around here. The fire-everyone, front-office-is-so-arrogant, Reid-never-gets-anything-right crowd usually makes the parroted arguments that lack substance or depth.
Those who dare say the team did something right, or at least see the rationale behind their decisions that failed, seem far more like the free thinkers in this scenario.
Guess it’s all perspective.
Certainly the team/FO/coach gets stuff wrong, and we’re all frustrated when the Eagles lose. But it definitely seems like quick-reaction negativity is the party line. I hate to say that’s just how Philly fans are always going to be, so we might as well embrace it … it can be fun, but it gets tiring fast. Especially when it’s one guy after another repeating the same low-substance tripe.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Isn't the defining characteristic of a lemming...
That it’s a creature that blindly follows others of its kind, even to it’s own detriment?
In that case, the same criticism can be leveled at current supporters of the team, as it’s 13 years and counting under this regime, immediately in the wake of the 2012 disaster, the 8-8 year our own FO said we were “all in”.
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 31, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Of course not but there is no reason to lay it on so thick in the Frank’s article. Frank is definitely their go-to toadie who writes the front office wants in print and echoes it on CSN.
Funny
I didn’t even click on it because that’s exactly what I expected it to be.
I appreciate you saving me those 4 minutes.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Chicken-hearted
As a bit of a chicken-hearted guy this year who would be in front of the post-game mike and giving plenty of feedback on wins but was largely a no-show especially after the defense got embarrassed by the Pats/Seahawks on consectuive weeks effectively ending the Eagles’ season.
Just like his defense,
He disappears when you want to see him most.
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 30, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Sigh.
It’s weird to see Andy acting like this. I guess he knows he has one more year, period, and he thinks he’s just gonna do it his way.
We’ll see how it goes.
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I have to admit that I’m not in fully in the “Juan must go” circle but, god damn if this isn’t what I thought when I read the title of this post.
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
by h2o_34_35_44 on Jan 31, 2012 5:53 AM EST up reply actions
Yup
It’s less about me not liking Juan, more about the Eagles Front Office decision-making skills.
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by UnclaimedFright on Jan 31, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
If Andy gets fired after this season I’d think Bowles would be a leading candidate.
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That’s be so like our FO. Finally ready to part with Andy, but to scared of the outside world to hire someone who isn’t an Andy disciple.
I'll give you a cookie if you know what my pic is from.
Wait a moment.
Based on what grounds? The idea that Juan was Andy’s first pick last year cause if you do your homework than it will tell you that he wasn’t and wasn’t on the list until Mudd decided to unretire. Or the idea that after Brad left for Minnesota they promoted from within the origination….. wait they didn’t. Or lets look back to our last HC search did they promote from within or did they go out and get someone who was basically a no name from GB?
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
by h2o_34_35_44 on Jan 31, 2012 5:58 AM EST up reply actions
after all the silence the failed spags acquisition we shouldve seen this coming
I had alien women suck me off when god said let there be light i turned it the fuck off I'll leave your body drenched in the blood of all your ancestors
You'll never be at peace, like the souls of child molestors I'll cut you and bless your festering wounds with alcohol This is the final call, for all the rappers that wanna brawl Immortal Technique, the wrong motherfucker to diss
'Cause I allow God to let you motherfuckers existI got a Black Panther mentality with a spic fist You don't want beef with people like me so don't pretend
I'll resurrect your aborted baby and kill it again You get no props in hip-hop like feminine men You ain't hardcore, I'll smack the shit out of your mother You wanna be gutter? I'll leave you laid out in the street Signed yours truly, the motherfucking Immortal Technique
by So. Cal Swag on Jan 30, 2012 1:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions
How can anybody not like this?
He brings in a signal caller that has been trusted enough to be named Interim HC for a franchise, can be a future DC at a moments notice and has been very solid as a secondary coach. Spags would have been great for the media splash but so was Nnamdi, Babin and Jenkins. Great move by FO.
ok, the giants suck.
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 4th
I dont think that many of us DONT like it
but feel that it just isnt enough with Castillo is floundering in his role. Will that change in the upcoming year? That is unknown and that is what has us fans losing hope for the coming year.
''All men who feel any power of joy in battle, know what it is like when the wolf rises in the heart.'' -Roosevelt
That should
say when Castillo is floundering.
''All men who feel any power of joy in battle, know what it is like when the wolf rises in the heart.'' -Roosevelt
so basically any move would have been not good enough on the account of how JC did in his first season at DC, with no offseason?? Look, if you are mad about giving JC the chance to be a DC, thats fine, but lets be honest, he wasnt set up for success given the player changes and not being able to see his D on the field right away. Get the guy some LB’s and let Bowles fix the CB’s an that should greatly improve the D.
ok, the giants suck.
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 4th
by EagleEyes on Jan 30, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But they're mad
And mad rarely equals rational.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
I wouldnt say I am mad
just cautious. Do I feel that giving Juan the job was dumb? Absolutely as it makes zero business sense. Would you hire someone to be your CFO when their only accounting experience comes from working the register at McDonalds some point in their life? I didnt think so. My problem stems from these blatant miscalculations by the guy in charge and that they are believed to be infallible. One of the greatest things someone can do is admit they were wrong when it was so clear and to change it.
Do I think Juan can make it better, I do knowing that the defense wasnt the sole issue. My biggest grief comes from handing the keys to a defense when doesnt even know how to drive.
''All men who feel any power of joy in battle, know what it is like when the wolf rises in the heart.'' -Roosevelt
Typical
And Andy gets to cover his ass yet again. Firing Castillo would have been admittance of the mistake. I’m steeling myself for a year of unbridled arrogance and terseness, and pretty much doing whatever he wants, cause he knows this is probably his last shot.
And yes this is Philly, you welcome to come check us
i think some people have it wrong here
The article points out that Reid had no intention of firing Juan Castillo. Todd Bowles was brought in as a HC in waiting. Basically if we tank again he will take over the team. For all the haters, he did a great great job in Miami. He knows how to deal with disarray and diva players. He is exactly what we need in a new HC. i love AR but he is a lame duck coach. he knows it, hence why he did not hold a post season PC. he cannot go out on TV and back Juan without inciting a massive riot. This my friends, is the pride before the fall. and Bowles is the heir apparent.
by Ian Patrick on Jan 30, 2012 1:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You guys are so bitter
"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
by Udalango on Jan 30, 2012 1:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Bitter? No. Tired and frustrated? Yes.
by TimmyGee on Jan 30, 2012 1:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no you guys are def bitter
"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
by Udalango on Jan 30, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lol
What else is new?
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by philiafan14364 on Jan 30, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Nah just don’t try to really polish this too hard which is what the Eagles are doing. He was there failback guy. Period.
I don’t mind seeing Reid back for another year. You can make a strong argument that he desires one more shot. The case with Castillo is as thin though as gulag gruel.
He took a defense with additional personnel upgrades and showed no real improvement over last year’s team. That’s a fail.
I disagree its thin. It may not be think, but there are valid reasons for bringing him back.
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Besides continuity what? There was no real improvement in the defense, they got hammered in the games that really mattered down the stretch (Pats, Seahawks), and I would argue they even quit on him at times.
I think 4 games in a row with under 17 points is real improvement.
But I guess that’s the big argument is whether that matter. I believe it does, you don’t.
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Hurray, they shut down horrid offenses when it no longer mattered! As long as there’s no pressure and the opponents are awful, our defense if great! Sounds like a recipe for playoff success to me!
I'll give you a cookie if you know what my pic is from.
Yes, it no longer mattered- and yet they played hard to win. That’s not a sign of a team that gave up.
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2 of those games were essentially glorified spring training games. Who cares who many points they gave up to the Cowboys’ backups and Skins’ backups?
Wasn't really backups..
Cowboys were only really without Romo and he actually started, but got a booboo. Who else was out?
A lot of things make sense now.
Their running back for that game was unemployed for most of the season.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
To be fair
all their running backs seemed unemployed for most of the season.
A lot of things make sense now.
Pretty happy about this, overall
I have said before that I thought JC did a good enough job to get another shot at DC, either here or elsewhere. Glad there he’ll have a whole offseason to work with, and maybe we’ll see fewer turnovers from the offense this year.
"Difficulties strengthen the mind, as labor does the body."
― Seneca
by NJBammer on Jan 30, 2012 1:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
No way to flush this headline...
Bowles movement in 2012 identifying Eagles new 2ndary coach means Bowel movement from 2011 to retain position as defensive coordinator.
by andyreidswaistline on Jan 30, 2012 1:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions
In hindsight
Lurie screwed up when he spoke so harshly about his feelings on the teams performance. When the owner basically said this is Andy’s last yr to prove himself I feel it seriously hurt the team’s chances of bringing in the best asst coaches. Why would they want to come here with the chance of Andy getting fired next yr and a new h.c. booting them.
You kids and your InterWebNet VooDoo......Scary
Gee........I better read up
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Sign Spags Now !!!
by JJeaglerooter on Jan 30, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
agreed. we have to think about all the factors.
we had made personnel commitments to the wide 9. we were NOT going to get a high profile DC to come into a lame duck situation (andy on a short leash), for a pass happy offense, where his DL scheme is already dictated to him, and where the expectations are SB or bust.
who the hell, with credentials (and, therefore, alternatives) would want to do that? i for damn sure would rather go to a more stable spot, or somewhere totally crappy where mediocrity would be seen as a sign of genius/excellence.
bowles has (interim) HC experience, DC experience, and the ability to call a game (which, behind the scenes, could be a help to juan).
and again, like you and many, i thought there were some glaring errors w/ juan upfront, but that he got better as the season went on.
a lot of stuff was either outside of his control (square peg situation w/ asante and nnamdi being two totally opposite type of cb’s, and being pressured by FO to make DRC a nickle cb when he’s obviously NOT, not having nfl quality LBs), or he should have been vetoed on (like annointing casey the starter out the gate).
i daresay a genius hc w/ tons of experience would have had trouble, in a no offseason year playing the LB corps we had, finding a way to get nnamdi asante and DRC on the field, and doing so with your D line scheme already set in stone.
by poetx on Jan 30, 2012 1:59 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Maybe a DC with experience would have realized the problems and pushed Andy to trade for a LB before the deadline. It’s not like the issue wasn’t blatantly obvious until there was nothing that could be done. And maybe a veteran DC would’ve realized he had two press corners and a zone corner, and told the FO to trade the zone corner so he could play press coverage. There were actions he could’ve taken during the season to alleviate the problems with our defense, but he didn’t have the experience to take them.
I'll give you a cookie if you know what my pic is from.
But that's just it isn't it?
Juan, being a former OL coach, didn’t really have the clout to go to Roseman and ask for trades. So maybe a DC with experience by nature would have been able to do it … but it doesn’t mean Juan is so obtuse that he couldn’t see what we all saw.
I think that’s how he gets portrayed, and if that were true, I’d be hella worried for this upcoming year. But a lot of games I watched this year guys were in the right spots and didn’t make plays (I can think of five scoring plays off top that fit this mold) more than the D just being blatantly miscoached.
DRC was misused. The LB and S carousels kinda sucked but they got it straightened out. The Asante zone/press man issue I think needs to be solved by the front office.
I don’t think Juan was a world-beater, but it looked like execution was often our undoing rather than blatant game-calling incompetence. Personnel was misused at times, no doubt. And as much as the poor execution would normally go to poor coaching, they really didn’t have much time to coach the noobs this year.
I doubt another year of Juan is going to be this team’s undoing, but we shall see.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
The Eagles are going to blow games in OT now?
Well, it’s an improvement! This year we only needed four quarters to lose games.
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 30, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I predict the Eagles will have a top 3 defense in the NFC and win 12 games next year.
Just because I like making bold predictions…
"Difficulties strengthen the mind, as labor does the body."
― Seneca
by NJBammer on Jan 30, 2012 2:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That is pretty bold. I doubt they’ll be a top 3, but 12 games isn’t out of the realm of possibility, albeit far one.
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by bdawk4ever on Jan 30, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
top 3 in NFC
mind you, which is basically where they were this year, so the prediction, while bold, isn’t crazy…
"Difficulties strengthen the mind, as labor does the body."
― Seneca
I have come to accept Juan as our DC
I am not happy about it, but it looks like it is happening. That being said, I am an Eagles fan. Since he is our DC, I hope he tears it up and makes us a top 5 defense.
El Donkerino (if you're not into the whole brevity thing).
I miss me some Brian Dawkins :(
by El Donkerino on Jan 30, 2012 2:16 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Like a college girl at a frat party. You know you’re going to get ruffied but, you’ve grown personally beyond caring about minor things like being raped in ass.
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
by h2o_34_35_44 on Jan 31, 2012 6:06 AM EST up reply actions
Reason I wanted Castillo fired
Is because his defense quit on him at times this year including the Seahawks’ game. You could see it on the field.
When a team and not just 1 or 2 players isn’t giving a solid effort, that speaks volumes about the coordinator. I know the players said the right thing this offseason about Castillo but there effort on the field last year at times contradicts that a bit.
and when it takes the players to explain to the coach how so and so should be played, called, etc…its another sign of failure. An average defensive cord would have done enough to where this team would have made the playoffs
Yeah, but then when they could’ve quit- like the Cowboys and Redskins games- they didn’t.
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I didn’t see it on the field. Marshawn has an annoying little habit of running over everybody.
Plus, they only had 2 days to prepare.
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by philiafan14364 on Jan 30, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Seattle game
It appeared they quit, but that situation was ridiculous. So ridiculous that the league is not allowing it next year.
by PhilsForever on Jan 30, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Teams traveling across the country on a short week to play a thursday night game after a sunday game. They pretty much nixed it after the eagles/seattle game actually.
by PhilsForever on Jan 30, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
Another
8 to 10 win season is in order next year. If Reid wins a playoff game or two, he will be back in 2013. If they don’t make the playoffs or are 1 and done, he’s done along with Castillo.
I think our outfield is solid already.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Jan 30, 2012 2:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Don’t forget Brown may yet turn the corner.
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by h2o_34_35_44 on Jan 31, 2012 6:08 AM EST up reply actions
I think he's back too
The Super Bowl or bust stuff is just people extrapolating Lurie’s bluster and assuming action will follow.
You can definitely make the case they quit in Seattle, but it doesn’t explain why they didn’t quit following that. The best thing about the mostly meaningless 4-game stretch is that they didn’t lose again. Not that they beat anybody great, but they did — finally — what they were supposed to do against meh teams.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Eagles defense was quite good at the end of the season. Screw it, give him another chance. lets see what happens next year.
Who gives a cr@p
2 meaningless games against a Boys team that played every backup and a Skins’ team that played a bunch of backups and cared little.
That’s the worst part of it. As if the improvement over the last 4 years which got them to more respectable stats somehow is really indicative of really improvement. Its a red herring.
Its important because it shows who still cared. It showed improvement. They played like crap early in the year. And when they REALLY had a reason to give up- they didn’t.
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give it up
When all arguments possible prove your opponent’s point, you can tell he isn’t interested in logic, but in winning the argument.
"Difficulties strengthen the mind, as labor does the body."
― Seneca
Can't help it
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by bdawk4ever on Jan 30, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
One of the best
webcomics around, great stuff :)
"Difficulties strengthen the mind, as labor does the body."
― Seneca
Remember the middle of the season, when they crushed the Redskins and Cowboys and everyone thought they’d turned a corner and would make an improbable playoff run? Everyone was perfectly happy to drink the cool aid and forget about four consecutive losses. Then we got hammered by Cutler’s Bears and Skelton’s Cardinals. Please explain to me how these last two Skins and Cowboys losses are any different than those two.
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by Avant-Garde on Jan 30, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Because they happened earlier in the year, and they didn’t come after 2 good showings as well.
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That’s exactly my point! They played two shitty/injury riddled offenses, and shut them down. Any semi-competant defense can do that. They proceeded to fall apart again when facing something resembling an NFL offense. If those two games didn’t prove anything, I don’t see why the last two should either. Why shouldn’t we expect them to collapse again the next time they play a competent offense? And as for those first two good showings, they were against bottom 10 offenses. We also did well against the Rams, but that doesn’t mean anything.
I'll give you a cookie if you know what my pic is from.
Because you have to look at the context.
Those were earlier in the season, before they really gelled. They followed it up with more bad losses.
But the last four were all in a row, they were all consistently played, and they came when they could have given up.
Yes, there is a caveat that there were against lesser competition. But given that the defense sucked against lesser competition earlier, its improvement to not only see it for one game, but for four in a row. And really what more can you ask of him then to beat four bad teams decisively? That’s his job.
2011 New York Giants- Worst NFC Champs Ever
Team Keep Andy and Juan
JC did enough to give support to those who support him. He didn’t do enough to remove the detractors.
He’s really the McNabb of the day, a fate I hope he overcomes.
"Difficulties strengthen the mind, as labor does the body."
― Seneca
by NJBammer on Jan 30, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s a good point.
And yeah, this does feel like the McNabb thing.
I think Eagles fans think too much in black and white. Too much “HE SUCKS” or “HE’S AWESOME.” There are shades of gray.
I mean besides Spags, what better DC was out there? Really? With a team that could make a push next year?
2011 New York Giants- Worst NFC Champs Ever
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Jack del Rio seemed like a better option. I’d give Singletary a shot. There are plenty of talented position coaches on the defensive side of the ball who’d bring much more experience than Castillo.
I'll give you a cookie if you know what my pic is from.
But how much would they change? Would they be comfortable with the uncertainly with Andy? Would they be comfortable with Washburn?
I don’t like the potential answers to those questions.
2011 New York Giants- Worst NFC Champs Ever
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It’s not like every new coordinator with his own system automatically fails his first year. Yeah, it’s tougher to do, but it’s not impossible. With a full offseason, they could implement a new system. The uncertainty with Andy could be a positive, as the coach being brought in would be in a good position to take over for him. Washburn might be a turnoff to some, but it’s not like a DC job with a playoff contender like the Eagles isn’t a great job opportunity.
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Singletary was a horrible coach in SF. The harder case is who was better out there, available, and potentially represents an upgrade over Castillo.
The merits of keeping Castillo based upon any improvement the defense showed from 2010 to 2011 are negligible. It was a mediocre group in 2010 and a mediocre group in 2011 despite having better personnel. That’s the rub. It is why McDermott got fired.
by MG77 on Jan 30, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We have very different memories of the Cardinals game
I certainly don’t remember them getting “hammered”. They have up 21 points, 14 of them to Larry Fitzgerald. And that was with Broken Ribs Vick going 3 and out every series.
They also scored 7 of their own on a pick.
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by philiafan14364 on Jan 30, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You mean when Juan had rookies on the best WRs in the NFL?
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
That play was Asante’s fault.
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by philiafan14364 on Jan 30, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Not Juan’s?
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
I don’t think so.
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#FirePaulHolmgren
by philiafan14364 on Jan 30, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You don’t remember Jaiquawn Jarrett being matched up with Larry Fitzgerald? That was a complete failure.
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You don’t remember how that was entirely Asante Samuel’s fault?
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by bdawk4ever on Jan 30, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Are you really going to pretend that Jarrett was only matched up with Fitz that one time? C’mon.
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"Stats are for fantasy and losers. Winning is an attitude."
So it’s not the coach’s fault for having Asante on Larry Fitz at all? Shouldn’t the coaches know their personnel to the point that they would know never to match up Asante on Larry? You have one of the best cover corners in the league and yet you put a play-making gambler on a receiver you should never abandon at any point in a football game. Stupid as fuck.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
You’re never going to get the matchup you want every single time. Its just not going to happen.
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#FirePaulHolmgren
by philiafan14364 on Jan 30, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
How do you explain Revis?
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What’s to explain?
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by philiafan14364 on Jan 30, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
You can’t always get the match-up you want, right? Well how is it that the Jets get it done with Revis? Magic?
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"Stats are for fantasy and losers. Winning is an attitude."
They don’t get it done every single time.
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#FirePaulHolmgren
by philiafan14364 on Jan 30, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Still, you’ve got one of the best man to man corners in the NFL who has proven multiple times that he could handle Fitz and the Eagles didn’t take advantage of that. Failure.
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"Stats are for fantasy and losers. Winning is an attitude."
And you also have another one of the best corners in the league on the opposite side, who you would expect to be able to cover a great WR too. Asante bit and lost. Its not like that’s the first time its ever happened…
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by philiafan14364 on Jan 30, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So, maybe a smart DC would have had NA follow him all over the field?
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
Or maybe he would let his other top 10 CB give it a try, since, ya know, he’s a pretty damn good player too.
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by philiafan14364 on Jan 30, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Or he could realize that Asante is as agressive as a river boat gambler and put his best man corner on the 2nd best receiver in the NFL. Yanno’ logic.
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Well if you played MAN DEFENSE I bet you could.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
Juan more year of taking Nnamdi away from what he is good at, are you excited?
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I’m so sick of this shit. I know you are too. I can’t even write on a majority of front page articles because no one is ever there to disagree with the apologists. At least KByars and yourself are here for this thread.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
Lol
That’s how I feel about the Fan posts and the negadelphians. I almost only post on front-page threads anymore.
My how BGN has grown. It’s like the Fox News crowd kicking it over there and the MSNBCers kicking it over there.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
He is on the Jets so that matters here how?
Plus Revis gets beat. Aso gets beat. yea it happened more this year.
Hopefully Bowles will be able to get Juan to use him right
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He said that you can’t always get the match-up you want. He is wrong, see Darrelle Revis.
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"Stats are for fantasy and losers. Winning is an attitude."
You’re wrong if you think Jets get the matchup they want with Revis every single time. It just doesn’t happen.
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by philiafan14364 on Jan 30, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
you cant always face the defense you want
but see tom and peyton they do?
Well whoopty fucking doo. we dont have them so it doesnt matter does it?
And Revis still gets beat so he isnt wrong
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Holy shit Uda.
Revis gets beat. K?
Revis gest beat less often than most because he is really, really good. K?
Because Revis is really, really good the Jets match him up against the opponents best WR. K?
Revis then proceeds to shut that WR down for most of the game except for the rare occasion that he is beat. K?
Revis on the opponents best WR is the match-up the Jets want. K?
Thus they’re getting the match-up they want a vast majority of the time.
Do you get it?
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Ya well it still has nothing to do with us. He is on the Jets
Thats like saying I can do shit a starving kid in africa cant.
We have Juan we cant always get the match ups we want cause he was being dumb last year. Is it really ridiculous for us to look at bowles positively hoping he can get Juan to handle the secondary better?
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Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
NA is on the Eagles is the point.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
Exactly and he doesnt get the matchups he wants cause of Juan
hopefully Bowles will fix that the Revis thing is just stupid to act like bam there that solves everything. He is a one of a kind corner.
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So… You agree?
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Maybe?
Idfk anymore. I just think bringing revis up was dumb. lol fuck this shit
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Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
It wasn’t dumb. He’s the closest comparable in the league to Nnamdi, so it makes sense that he’d be used in a similar way. If the Jets can line up their elite press coverage CB against opponents’ top WRs consistently, the Eagles should be able to as well.
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Is it really that hard to say “Hey, Nnamdi. Wherever Fitz is, you go cover him.”
I'll give you a cookie if you know what my pic is from.
It is when you love zone defense!
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
+10000
How hard is this to comprehend?
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 30, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
What did you want him to do? He was on the left side- where only Asante plays.
You’re a blind idiot if you can blame that play on Juan.
I’m here arguing logically, saying that Juan wasn’t great, he wasn’t perfect, but that he should be given another shot. And you’re there blaming something that isn’t Juan’s fault on him. Seriously?
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I can absolutely blame it on Juan.
If I’m Juan I walk right up to Asante and tell him if he doesn’t want to fit into the scheme that from now on whenever I play man to man defense his ass has to sit on the fucking bench. I guess some of us just don’t have the balls to do that. Yourself included.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
by packimop on Jan 30, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Then you have no idea how an NFL team works. You can’t just do that. In no universe you can’t blame it on Juan.
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Sure you can blame it on Juan, people do that in a place called "Reality’.
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I wish this had happened
If I’m Juan I walk right up to Asante and tell him if he doesn’t want to fit into the scheme that from now on whenever I play man to man defense his ass has to sit on the fucking bench. I guess some of us just don’t have the balls to do that. Yourself included.
Also it’s one reason why I’m more optimistic for next year. As great as Asante was when we needed him, the freelancing shit hurt more than it helped last year, and we have a surplus of outside CBs.
(Let the record reflect that I have agreed with packimop at least once)
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Last year it hurt.. Yet, he was one of our most effective CBs last year. Just the year before that was received accolades from every which way praising him for his great play. I don’t want to say he was elite two seasons ago but he was pretty damn good.
The lockout made everyone regress, even with the regression he was still pretty damn good. I really don’t want to let Asante go..
Or how about zone defense at the 5 yard line leaving a linebacker on Fitz? Great call bud!!
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
A play that almost worked- especially since DRC went down with an injury.
Come on, Fitz caught three tipped balls. In almost any other situation, that would have been incompletions.
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“A play that almost worked”
I’m sorry but anytime you’ve got Brian Rolle covering Larry Fitzgerald, that is not a play that “almost worked”.
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It almost worked, likeee it was lucky? Like how the Giants are luckily playing in the Superbowl right now? Well guess what? TOO FUCKING BAD. Proper preparation prevents piss-poor performance, pussy.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
Okay,
You’re right. If ONLY we didn’t have to rely on Asante Samuel. If only we had a player, some kind of player that was touted as the best man-to-man press corner in the game…. someone who’s pedigree was built on being matched up on #1 receivers and taking them out of the game…
Oh, wait, we DID hire someone like that in the offseason. It seems rather than putting Nnamdion Larry Fitz, our DC decided to make him a zone safety and put him on Early Doucet or some other JAG and leave Asante/Jarret to cover possible the best WR in the game.
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 30, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Its really complicated by the fact that Samuel only plays on his side, and sometimes free lances. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.
I was in favor of keeping him in the beginning of the year, but that was a mistake. They should have traded him- it really hurt the defense, specifically Nnamdi and DRC.
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Oh so you’re blaming the FO/coaches for not being able to put the right players in the right situations. K thanks.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
Freelancing is great,
When you have the safety support for it. Jaiquan Jarret? Not the safety support you want.
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 30, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
It’s funny, sitting there at 4-8, I was thinking the worst possible outcome would be for us to win out against these crap teams and make the playoffs, because not only will it hurt our draft but people might even convince themselves that Juan doesn’t need to go. And then that’s exactly what happened. It’s maddening.
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by Avant-Garde on Jan 30, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Seconded.
Also: Shitty draft position.
Could’ve had RGIII
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 30, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
lol that is what happened
I really didn’t want to see them go 4-12 and have everyone bite the dust. This team doesn’t need a complete tear down and rebuild, it needs a kick in the ass. And some linebackers.
Hopefully 8-8 was the kick.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Someone please explain to me why I should be super hyped about Todd Bowles.
He’s only coached one team with a top 10 pass D (2010 Dolphins) and hasn’t really coached any particularly great players save for Terence Newman (who’s merely been very good, not great) and maaaaaaybe Sean Smith. Although he’s coached a fair amount of valuable reserve types – Anthony Henry, Roy Williams, Yeremiah Bell, Andre’ Goodman, Vontae Davis, etc.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
I also seem to remember
Seeing scattered reports about the 2011 Dolphins Secondary being awful.
I remember they lost me my Week 1 fantasy game, when the corner took such a bad angle on Wes Welker the dude took a 10 yard out route 99 yards for a TD.
I seem to remember that being a theme on the Fins…
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 30, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
I always knew Johnny Lynn was the real problem with the defense last year. I’m glad we made an upgrade.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Jan 30, 2012 2:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
That’s not really true. Last offseason, the Eagles cleaned house with the D coaches (even McDermott) even though the Eagles exceeded expectations as a whole.
Andy isn’t afraid to make changes when he needs them. Considering who’s left that could possibly be a DC, I can see why they opted to stick with Castillo.
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by alcatraz0109 on Jan 30, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
It’s arguable whether he really ‘needed’ the changes considering how the D finished up.
Also, there’s really no guarantee of quality with a new DC. It’s not unrealistic that bringing in another system could potentially hurt the team even more.
Either way, it seems the Eagles contacted Spagnuolo (who was the best candidate who would easily fit Andy’s system) and he said no. How can you put that on Andy?
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by alcatraz0109 on Jan 30, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Scapegoat
Scapegoat
Just as the position coordinators were the year before.
Just as all you want Juan to be.
I don’t love the guy, but firing him wasn’t going to fix all that ailed us last season. This team had a lot of issues and underacheived in a lot of ways. Firing him would have almost been like letting all the underacheieving players off the hook.
That alone is not a reason to keep him, but since he’s back, I think it’s on everybody, from Juan to Vick to Julian effing Vandervelde to be a little bit more of a professional, give a full effort and play better football.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
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by EagleGreeninMD on Jan 30, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
My big three reasons:
1. No offseason hurt a lot.
2. Improvement at the end of the year.
3. Continuity is important.
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1. Every team had to deal with the offseason, that’s no excuse.
2. There was minimal, if any, improvement
3. If “continuity is important” was a legitimate excuse, no coach would ever get fired.
And yes this is Philly, you welcome to come check us
1. But not everybody had a brand new DC with a ton of new players. That’s a good excuse.
2. There was vast improvements- points being a good one.
3. That’s a crappy argument. Just because its important to have continuity doesn’t mean its the end of all debates. But to have the same system where the players can concentrate on getting better at the scheme instead of learning a new scheme is important. We’re not talking about a pattern of bad coaching. Its one year.
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by bdawk4ever on Jan 30, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
1. Then you don’t get rid of the current DC or you hire a DC WITH FREAKING EXPERIENCE. The owners knew they were going to a stand off with the CBA.
2. There were no vast improvements
1. That’s a different argument we are having. We can debate whether he was right in the first place, but we have him now. The question is how to move forward.
2. I disagree.
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by bdawk4ever on Jan 30, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is an awesome argument
There were no vast improvements
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Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
They also shut down the Skins and Boys weeks 7 and 9. Which was right between a 4 game losing streak and a 2 game losing streak. Shutting them down again doesn’t imply any improvements, and it doesn’t prove we won’t get rocked again by good offenses next year.
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They gave up 20 combined points to the Cowboys and Redskins in weeks 7 and 9, and 17 combined weeks 16 and 17. I see very little improvement.
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You can’t just look at those two teams, but at the other two they played as well, and also when they played them.
All of those teams were coming in hot after great wins (and some a few). Yes, they weren’t great offensive teams, but those teams lit up other defenses. They didn’t light up the Eagles. That’s improvement.
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Miami was the 22nd ranked offense last season, and was starting Matt Moore. The New York was the 25th ranked offense. I really don’t see how beating them proves anything. Beating bad teams was not our problem last year; our problem was going 1-4 against playoff teams (and we have 8 games against 2012 playoff teams next year). We beat bad teams while we were getting crushed by playoff ones.
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Actually beating bad teams was part of our problem. Remember the Bills? Or the Seahawks? Or the Cardinals?
But while the Dolphins weren’t great, they were hot. So were the Cowboys. So were the Jets.
I’m not saying that last year were could have beaten top tier teams. But I see enough improvement to give Juan a chance.
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The Cowboys second team was hot?
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They just destroyed the Bucs the week before. That’s a bad team.
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McGee and Morris did?
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The Cowboys needed that game to stay in the playoff hunt.
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Which would explain why they pulled Romo with a minor hand injury and didn’t play their starting RB after they saw the Giants score.
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Romo’s hand was pretty fugly. Regardless, that game became meaningless for them when the Giants game ended.
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He could’ve played if he needed to. They saw that the game was meaningless and they decided they didn’t want to put Romo back in.
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He could have played
But, did you see the game against the Giants? Romo was clearly not healthy and it showed. His hand looked awful still and that was a huge reason why the giants beat the cowboys so easily.
by PhilsForever on Jan 30, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
No they didn’t. The Giants already won their game. Everyone in the world knew before the first quarter ended that the game had no meaning in the NFCEast. Retard.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
If they won they had a shot at the Wild Card too. Losing eliminated them.
Don’t for a second thing they weren’t trying.
Buddy.
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They had as much of a chance to win a wild card as the Eagles did to win the division.
The players obviously didn’t give a fuck that they lost that game.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
It doesn’t matter if they were in the wild card hunt or not. They put their eggs in the division basket.
They had McGee and Morris on the field. This was not the first team Cowboy we played against.
And, Rob Ryan coaches the motherfucking defense, which has shit to do with the offense.
Spin it however you please, but that does not change the reality of who our defense played against in that game.
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And yet they played a bunch of guys with injuries. I forget exactly who (Ware), but they were expected to sit if they didn’t win.
Romo started that game and would have finished if he didn’t get hurt. I don’t believe Jones would have been able to finish either way.
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How does that change the fact that the defense was playing against McGee and Morris?
Take your damn underpants off your head.
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I think you underestimate McGee.
Besides, I don’t think Romo would have done any better anyway. The Eagles seemed to have their number last year.
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You’re an idiot.
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Your responses are so dumb. It’s like arguing with a sixth grader.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 31, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
Lolololololololololololololololol.
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Our schedule is rugged next year
(and we have 8 games against 2012 playoff teams next year).
Also our stars stayed healthy for the most part. Vick missed 3 games, DeSean 1, Asante and DRC a couple, LeSean sat at the end … who else did we really miss? Dixon was the only loss for the year.
Tougher sked + Can’t expect to be so healthy = Eagles gotta play a lot better next year.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
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Avant-Garde. Ah well.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
I’m not happy that Juan is back and I don’t think he’s a good DC. I just don’t think he’s as awful as people make him out to be.
I recognize that turnovers were the real problem last year. The defense wasn’t good, but its also not the reason we didn’t make the playoffs.
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by philiafan14364 on Jan 30, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We’ll have a top 5 defense and lead the league in sacks.
I'm great like Gatsby.
by Clint Eastwood on Jan 30, 2012 2:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions
This is good.
Bowles can teach Castillo how to coordinate a Defense.
That would be this year. Next year Todd can lead the Eagles going forward, hopefully carrying on the great Eagles’ “just wait ’till next year” tradition.
I will remain a predator hopeful of gobbling up a tasty victory meal.
Why I don't care that much
Top 10 NFL defenses (ppg):
50% didn’t make the playoffs
Of the 5 that did, they went 3-5
None made the Superbowl
Top 10 NFL offenses (ppg):
9 made the playoffs
of the 9 that did, they have gone 9-7 so far
both Superbowl teams had top 10 offenses (both top 4, actually)
If the Eagles do anything next year, it will be because they turned it around on the offense, not the defense…
"Difficulties strengthen the mind, as labor does the body."
― Seneca
I think Vick has to be on point next year. We’ve seen it the whole year and in the playoffs. Teams with bad QB play lost (Rogers, Smith, Ryan), teams with good QB have gone on.
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by bdawk4ever on Jan 30, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yup
I’d like to point of that of course the Eagles were one of those top 10 ppg defenses who didn’t make the playoffs, and of course the Giants were #4 in offense…
"Difficulties strengthen the mind, as labor does the body."
― Seneca
Not to mention that the team with the worst defense in the league is in the Super Bowl.
Though I guess it helps they have an amazing QB.
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by bdawk4ever on Jan 30, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not quite "worst defense."
What people are overlooking is that the Giants’ pass D and the Patriots’ Pass D are equally bad. Patriots gave up 50 fewer points on the year, too.
by Eagle Fly Free on Jan 30, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
You know
the sad thing is when Vick was in the lineup and healthy, the Eagles were almost as unstoppable as the Pats. Here’s hoping Vick is taking his health more seriously, as indeed he said he was going to and seemed to do in the last 4 games. Vick will determine the success of 2012 far more than Juan.
"Difficulties strengthen the mind, as labor does the body."
― Seneca
While I still think that bringing back Juan was a mistake, it’s hard to argue that this year wasn’t undermined by turnovers. We were -14 (31st in the NFL) in TO differential this year. So sad.
by Eagle Fly Free on Jan 30, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
And what’s more disappointing is hearing what Vick says about them. He brushes them off like they are nothing. That needs to stop. He has to be more careful, especially in the red zones.
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Frankly
I don’t understand why people are obsessing over JC and not flipping out over Vick. Every Eagles Fan I’ve been able to press on the subject admit that Vick stunk for the first half of the year, and so did his back-up. It was only the last 4 games he looked good, and that as commentors keep pointing out, might have been due to bad competition and all.
"Difficulties strengthen the mind, as labor does the body."
― Seneca
I really think that’s the more worrisome aspect next year. If Vick doesn’t play better, or gets injured as he seems to always do, that’s a huge problem.
I don’t want Young back, and I don’t think Kafka can do it. So we’re screwed if either of those happens.
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Those last four teams we played were all in the top half of the league in defense, and the bottom half in offense (with the exception of Dallas, though they had McGee at QB the whole game). I can buy offensive improvement over those game, but not defensive improvement.
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Good Vick/Bad Vick?
The question is, was 2010 the Vick anomaly, or was this year the anomaly for Vick 2.0? Sometimes, the bad situation of the team in general (in this case, a defense that had no idea what it was doing) can totally wreak havoc on the psyche of the rest of the team. For further evidence of this, you need look no further than our 2005 team. Everyone remembers that our offense was terrible, but our defense turned in an equally rotten performance that year, easily the worst under Johnson’s stewardship.
Personally, I think 2010 was an anomaly, and you need to treat Michael Vick the way that Donovan McNabb was treated early on.
by Eagle Fly Free on Jan 30, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
But 8th in points.
You want those numbers reversed. We chewed up a lot of yardage, but totally blew a lot of scoring opportunities with turnovers and bad playcalling.
by Eagle Fly Free on Jan 30, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Well, sort of unstoppable
As long as we were between the 20s in the first three quarters.
the sad thing is when Vick was in the lineup and healthy, the Eagles were almost as unstoppable as the Pats.
It’s true though that we don’t need an elite defense if the offense would just do what it does without the turnovers and/or 3s that could be 7s.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
not significant
but he’ll have some say
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by Clint Eastwood on Jan 30, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Like Bowles but the whole Castillo situation is complete horseshit
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by Djax10 on Jan 30, 2012 3:17 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
As soon as Del Rio and Spags went off the market doing this became the best option IMO
by dstern77 on Jan 30, 2012 3:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
There’s definitely more than just “fire a guy” out there.
Last year, if we’d replaced Dmitri Patterson with some scrub corner with lots of experience instead of NA and DRC, people would’ve been mad, right?
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Hey, remember last year when we had Juan Castillo as a defensive coordinator and hired Jim Washburn and Howard Mudd and then won the Superbowl? Wait… I guess those hirings didn’t matter much in the grand scheme of things, did they? Not excited about Bowles.
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they both improved their respective lines
Both had 1 pro bowler this year. Washburns line had the most sacks and mudds line helped shady have an excellent season and had the best o line in the east. So how did those hirings did not matter? We still went 8-8 but those hirings helped
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by So. Cal Swag on Jan 30, 2012 4:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I guess those hirings didn’t matter much in the grand scheme of things, did they?
Yeah, they both did good things for the team but we still went 8-8 so it didn’t really matter did it? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice…
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This move is whatever
There are advantages to having continuity and keeping Castillo/Washburn/bringing in Bowles, and disadvantages to it. Same with Spags or any other available DC who runs a system different to the one the Eagles ranked last year.
After a horrendous first month, the Eagles defense did rebound quite nicely to end the year respectable, even giving the first four weeks their fair weight. Actually since he became a DC, Spags only had one defense who outperformed Castillo’s Eagles this season. Juan is obviously no Dick Lebeau, but I am okay with this, for now. I am more concerned with what the Eagles do personnel wise this off-season than who runs the defense.
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Your acceptance of mediocrity is truly astounding. And your completely inability to apply any context to the situation is even moreso.
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If anybody is failing to apply the context, its you.
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by bdawk4ever on Jan 30, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
How so?
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You ignore the context of when wins and losses happen.
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Lol wut?
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Only the end of the season matters, because that’s what has happened most recently. But the Giants suck anyways.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
Because they lost to the Redskins earlier in the season. Sorry, I just wanted to clarify how flawless this logic is.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
The end of the season matters more. Especially because it shows improvement.
And again, the Eagles won their games, they didn’t get lucky like the Giants.
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Delusion is fun, isn’t it?
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You should know.
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by bdawk4ever on Jan 30, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"I'm like rubber and you're like glue. Whatever I say bounces off me and sticks to you."
That is essentially what you just said.
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You even fail with colloquialisms.
by SuburbanElite on Jan 31, 2012 1:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
So the Giants beating the top two teams in the NFC, two teams that beat them earlier in the season, on back to back weeks, on the road, just happened completely because of luck.
YOU’RE A FUCKING IDIOT
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
I’m really making you angry aren’t I? Calm down dude.
They beat a Packers team who didn’t show up.
Then they beat a Niners team with some help from the refs and a bad returner.
Yep, that’s luck. I never said completely though.
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I had a long drawn out reply, but hit a bad button and lost it all, so here is everything I was saying, short and concise.
a). Eagles were 3rd in the NFC in scoring defense and 2nd in yards allowed per game.
b). Eagles offense were in the bottom of the league in turnovers, thus frequently giving the opponent decent to good field position frequently. For someone who is (wrongly) getting on his high horse about context, isn’t that important context?
c). Your perception bias formed over the first four weeks or whenever is clouding your judgment to the point where you take facts that are right in front of your face, turn to them, and say, “fuck you objective facts, I live in my own world where I make my own facts goddamnit.”
d). You are being stupid. Stop being stupid.
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by Justin F. on Jan 30, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I heard Gruden is in town. You got the scoop.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
And Jon Gruden’s relevance to this discussion is?
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Last offseason.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
At least one person got it.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
e). Though it is a point I have made before, the Eagles D were 32nd in total Defense DVOA over the first four weeks. They finished 12th.
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Why do you so desperately cling to DVOA? See this.
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A. Skewed numbers or as the owner of the team put it “fool’s gold”. See here for more details and context.
B. So? The Steelers were bottom 5 in turnover differential and they had the best defense in the NFL. The Dolphins were the 3rd worst turnover differential team in the NFL in 2010 and they had the 6th ranked defense last year. It’s the defenses job to stop the offense regardless of turnovers and the Eagles’ didn’t do it.
C. See the first part. The defense’s “facts” are skewed and your perception bias was formed over the last 4 weeks when the Eagles were picking on bad teams. You’re not putting the last 4 games in proper context.
D. No, I’m not.
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The fact of the matter is, if you want to predict a team’s playoff success, you look at the last two weeks of the season. This goes for just about almost every team ever not named the New York Giants since 2005. They are strange and buck the tendency. They are the exception, not the rule.
So here is my thinking, and I do not have Premium access as I am not someone that likes to pay for that kind of stuff, if the Eagles defense was 32nd in Week 4, and ended the year 12th, how good were they in the last two months, where in terms of predicting future successes, it matters “most?”
Also, excellent job at brushing away my turnover point by showing examples of another team instead of actually showing me I am wrong about that in relation in of the Eagles. Bravo. Bravo.
Also, that post you linked to below, not a very good one. There is more to DVOA and FO than what Derek would have you believe. You complain about me being too reliant on DVOA, but that’s what, the second time you showed the same article? And you just link it. What? It’s too over your head that you can’t paraphrase, blockquote, or summarize it yourself in relation to the article. Not that this would be a surprise with you, but still, come on, man, if you want to argue with like myself, you might want to put a little more effort into it, pal.
It’s the defenses job to stop the offense regardless of turnovers and the Eagles’ didn’t do it.
Extreme example to illustrate the idiocy of this statement. Vick fumbles at his own one yard line. Defense recovers. Next play, handoff to the fullback, just stretches the ball over the line, and he scores a touchdown. By the logic you used above, that is the defense’s fault. Yards leads to points, right? So wouldn’t it be fair to say a primary responsibility of the defense is to limit yards? The Eagles were 2nd best in the NFC in limiting yards. Like I have said numerous times before, the primary culprit of the Eagles missing out on the playoffs was bad close game luck (and a rough INT percentage that should go back down near league average next season).
Once you finally get your head out of your ass and realize you are spouting off nonsense, feel free to comeback and debate me. I do not care if you agree or disagree with me, but at least be intelligent. You are lacking intelligence in your responses and are wasting my time. My evidence of this: you glossing over facts in favor of your self-created delusional world. Back what you say with some evidence. Find respected statisticians whose works disagree with me. Go outside Brian Solomon and Igglesblog. Read about football. Football Outsiders does some nice work, Bill Barnwell, formerly of FO now of Grantland has some nice work, advancedNFLstats has some interesting things to take a look at, hell, even ProFootballFocus is not all bad. Go outside of your comfort zone and at least make an effort to understand things better. Again, I do not care if you disagree with me, but give good reasons for disagreement. And as someone who is not rah-rah Castillo is the greatest thing ever, I can tell you that there are good arguments against Castillo. You just have not found them yet.
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Oh, sorry Sir.
I think you’re confusing my arguments here. I’m not telling you why Juan Castillo sucked, I’ve told you that Juan Castillo did suck. You’re telling me that I haven’t hit on the reasons why Juan sucked but I haven’t even tried, I’m just telling you he did.
So, Mr. High & Mighty, let me tell you why Juan Castillo is garbage.
Reasons Why Juan Castillo Is Awful:
He moved Fokou to WLB
He moved Chaney to SLB
He started Casey Matthews at MLB
He started Jarrad Page
It took him weeks before he figured out that he couldn’t use the wide 9 on every snap
He played DRC in the nickel spot despite having Hanson on the bench
He could not adjust and cover up the linebacker weakness
It took him 12 weeks to find a linebacker rotation that worked
Juan Castillo asked too much of role players
Juan Castillo misused nearly every single player on the defense other than the defensive line and Asante Samuel at some point or another.
Juan Castillo continuously allowed the offense to get favorable match-ups. Whether it was Fitzgerald on Jarrett, Fitzgerald on Rolle, Morgan on Rolle, Welker on Allen, Tony G on Chaney or Brian Rolle on any WR.
Juan Castillo consistently showed the inability to call an effective blitz and had a highly inconsistent pass rush all year long until the last 4 weeks when the Eagles went sack crazy against awful teams.
Juan Castillo used soft zone coverage with press corners all year
Juan Castillo played Asante Samuel, DRC and Nnamdi as a rover/safety player
Juan Castillo took too long to cut the cord with bad players
Juan Castillo was EXTREMELY slow to adjust to and counter what the offense was doing. It took him weeks to solve problems. Next year it’ll just be some other issue that he can’t solve until we’re already in a bad spot.
I could probably come up with more if I went a looked into it more.
Oh and your example fails. Can you tell me when anything even remotely similar to that happened? Go ahead, go and look at how many of the Eagles’ turnovers happened in their own territory. Please.
And of course, lets just blame bad luck for our team’s failure. Brilliant. Because it was bad luck that DeSean Jackson can’t catch a football, that isn’t skill. It was bad luck that Juan Castillo made awful personnel decisions, consistently misused players and failed to quickly adjust. That stuff is just bad luck. That is stupid.
You have two facts that you so desperately cling to: turnover ratio and DVOA. Sorry but I’ll stick with my stats, they’re less “sunshine and rainbows” but they’re what is accurate. We weren’t a good defense despite what beating up on the Dolphins, Jets, Cowboys’ 2nd string and Redskins did to our stats. Fool’s gold as Jeff Lurie put it.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 31, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You have two facts that you so desperately cling to: turnover ratio and DVOA
Someone has a bad memory.
Sorry but I’ll stick with my statsSaid in a post with zero stats and all observations using your eyes. Pathetic and laughable.
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I love how you can’t look past one comment.
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I am more concerned with what the Eagles do personnel wise this off-season than who runs the defense.
Wasn’t this a strong sentiment last year though? Weren’t a lot of us saying the same thing?
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Jan 30, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
my reaction to hearing that juan "swiss cheese" castillo will still be the DC
When I die, I want the Philadelphia Eagles to be the pallbearers at my funeral. So they can let me down, one last time.
This thread got stupid fast.
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by Imp on Jan 30, 2012 4:32 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
To everyone who says Bowles would be a good HC or DC
Doesn’t he only have experiences with 3-4 defense? We don’t have the personel to pull that off
by MrGlantzman on Jan 30, 2012 4:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He’s an NFL coach, I’m pretty sure he could figure out how to coach a 4-3 defense. Much like Ron Rivera learned how to coach a 3-4 in San Diego.
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I’m not entirely getting the hate on Castillo. “Fool’s Gold” this and “Juan” puns there aside, I’m just surprised at how quickly people turn on a coach after just one year. I have some numbers for you:
Total Yards Allowed: 24th
Total Points Allowed: 22nd
Total Passing Yards: 15th
Total Passing TD’s: 19th
Total Rushing Yards: 28th
Total Rushing TD’s: 18th
First Downs Allowed: 28th
These are pretty terrible numbers. Anyone want to guess which defensive coordinator had these numbers the first time they were a defensive coordinator?
If you guessed the late Jim Johnson, you would be correct.
You could make the case that the 1999 Philadelphia Eagles had some pretty bad talent on the defensive side of the ball. However, you would be completely wrong. The defense consisted of names like star corners Bobby Taylor and Troy Vincent. Their linebacking corps was headed by Jeremiah Trotter. They had the great Brian Dawkins (in his prime) along with Tim Hauck. In fact, you can really compare the 2011 Eagles defense with the 1999 defense: a group of really talented players in some areas with some gaping holes in others (Mike Mamula was the best DE for the team that year). Hell, they even had two star corners like we currently do. So what happened?
The Eagles hired a brand new defensive coordinator who had never held that position before. Granted, he was a LB and Secondary coach for a good number of years, but he never outright coached an entire defense before. He came to the team with a number of new schemes with the blitz package. However, this was a shift in ideology. The players had an entire offseason, and they still couldn’t get the job done. The defense did poorly (with the exception of interceptions, in which we were ranked third). Part of their issue was the offense. That was the McNabb transition year, and we were 29th in offensive turnovers. Similar to this year, the offense didn’t capitalize on key plays and more often than not turned over the ball.
Am I comparing Jim Johnson to Juan Castillo? No, and if you thought that was the point of this, then re-read the article. The point is that you should not give up on a coach after just one year. There are numerous factors as to why our team had issues. Hell, we finished in the middle of the pack at least. I’m not a pro-Juan guy and I’m not an anti-Juan guy. I just think people are jumping the gun way too fast on both ends. Why cut a coach after just one year (with a shortened off-season and a team with new coaching staff, something no other team really can claim)? If we acted on our current impulses, we might not have retained Jim Johnson some thirteen years ago. Just relax.
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by TheRealMcCoy on Jan 30, 2012 4:52 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
I think that’s the right answer. I wouldn’t call myself a pro-Juan guy (though I’ll admit wanting someone to do well because he is trying something new that he what they always wanted to do is a part of it), but I think making a change might hurt more than it helps. Juan was mediocre at best. It looks like he can get better (and Bowles can help), but its not guaranteed. And even more to the point, I don’t think there was a better upgrade out there.
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That is the much more powerful argument – who is better out there at this point than Castillo? It would be a real crapshoot.
Ummm… I’d take Perry Ferwell over Juan Castillo every day of the week.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
And the Patriots offensive coordinator still isn’t coaching the Patriots?
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
Maybe the Giants weren't allowing Fewell to interview wiff any other team?
I dunno, sorry for butting in.
I don't think that's it
If you’re interviewing for a college head coaching gig the teams typically let you get in there during the playoffs because of recruiting. I was just being a smart ass, I don’t expect Perry is interviewing anywhere right now even if he could
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
Jim Johnson
Wasn’t an O-Line coach. He had a defensive pedigree.
This is like saying if we hired a hobo off the street, and he couldn’t call plays, that it’s because he needed one more year.
Sometimes, it’s because we need a new coordinator.
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 30, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
You just compared Juan Castillo to a hobo living in the streets.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Mikesta on Jan 30, 2012 5:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Only in defensive experience.
I’d take Juan to coach my O-line over the hobo.
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 30, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
A couple years from now there probably won’t be a difference.
I'll give you a cookie if you know what my pic is from.
Would you describe the hobo as
A “high motor guy” with a “heckuva work ethic”?
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 30, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
I think people turned so quickly...
…because most of us were never convinced that making your long time offensive line coach the defensive coordinator in one year with no experience was a pertinent move to make. Put all that together and you get people that can’t WAIT to jump ship.
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Is it because I'm black???
by Qwest on Jan 30, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There is one colossal difference.
Andy Reid was a new head coach, and we’d just finished a 3-13 year under Ray Rhodes. You get a lot more leash in that respect, particularly when trying to break in a new QB. Reid had a stubborn plan and followed it. I can respect that. At the time.
We are at the point where, since the Super Bowl, we average a 9-7 season. “Development” is not acceptable, any longer.
The argument you just made could be used for McDermott as well, and he sucked it up in CAR this year.
by Eagle Fly Free on Jan 30, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
My reaction when I heard the news earlier
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by Saukrates on Jan 30, 2012 5:05 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
"Continuity with the system"???
I keep seeing people talk about how continuity with the system is such a good thing and, in a vacuum, you are right. However, which system are we talking about here? Are we talking about the first 10 games where he misused elite talent and made terrible personnel moves or are we talking about the last 6 where he got more in line with what a Jim Johnson disciple should be with intricate blitz packages and personnel?
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The later obviously. Plus there is the whole Washburn factor. If they got a new DC, he might leave. Would that really be better?
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Hard to say...
…maybe it would be better. Sorry, but ANY scheme that includes Trent Cole, Jason Babin, and Cullen Jenkins on the LOS will probably be pretty damn effective.
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by Qwest on Jan 30, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
P.S.
Obviously, the question was rhetorical. My point in stating that was that you don’t know which you are going to get…we can HOPE it is the latter, but what we saw in the beginning is probably closer to what he wants to do. And a zebra can’t change its stripes.
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Last 4 games crap
Please stop. The Fins/Jets games were meaningful. You can draw almost no conclusions from the meanignless Boys/Skins games which were filled with backups. Boys hardly played any starters any considerable amount of time.
by MG77 on Jan 30, 2012 5:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
It's not so much the outcomes that matter...
…it’s the schematic improvement.
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There was none.
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D-Jack...
..come on now. You watched the games. You know there were extensive changes to the scheme from the first 10 to the last 6. You can’t let your bias effect your vision.
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Wow...Skim much?
Those problems are:
-Poor tackling.
-Breakdowns in pass coverage.
-Inconsistent quarterback play.
Are any of those about the scheme?
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There was no improvement, that’s the point.
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No it isn't....
You replied to my original statement which said
It’s not so much the outcomes that matter……it’s the schematic improvement.
Now, you want to show me an article that said his scheme was not better in the last 6 games, you can link to that all day and night. But you won’t find one because they simply WERE BETTER. Go ahead and look…I’ll wait.
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There was weaker competition, not a better scheme.
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The two are not mutually exclusive.
You still are only looking at results. I could give a damn about the box score. Scheme is about putting players in position to defend the offense. If they blow the coverage and let someone go deep…that isn’t scheme. If they are there and miss the tackle…that isn’t scheme. If a linebacker is matched up on a speedy wide receiver…that IS SCHEME. If our all-world cornerback is lined up at safety (a position he’s never played) instead of being in press man coverage where he has excelled his whole career…that IS SCHEME.
Stop arguing box score and look at the tape.
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by Qwest on Jan 30, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Except the scheme didn’t change. I don’t know what you don’t get.
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Then you didn't watch.
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Do you need me to cut up the Redskins game just to prove it to you?
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Have at it, champ
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P.S.
-I saw a very effective wrinkle where Babin and Cole rushed from the MLB spot. It confused the defense and they easily got home.
-I saw combo coverage that allowed Asante to play off zone where he is best suited and Nnamdi to play press man where he is best suited.
-I saw overload blitz packages that attacked weak side of the offense (away from the tight end)
-I saw stunts by the defensive line that allowed instant pressure right in the face of the QB.
These are things I SAW with my own eyes….
Why do people always think I'm playing the Race Card???
Is it because I'm black???
That's great...
Now, let’s see what two other qualified analysts saw with THEIR own two eyes in those last four games…
I’m not trying to dump on Juan because he did do some good things scheme-wise toward the end, but let’s not pretend the defense magically morphed into some juggernaut over the last month of the season.
This is BEAUTIFUL!!!
He posted the same link that D-Jack posted!!! LMAO
What the other two qualified analysts saw with THEIR own two eyes in those last four games had NOTHING to do with the SCHEME, which is what I AM TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
Missed tackles. NOT SCHEME.
Blown Coverages. NOT SCHEME.
Inconsistent QB play. NOT SCHEME.
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Is it because I'm black???
by Qwest on Jan 30, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How is a blown coverage not a schematic problem? Coaches make schemes, if the players can’t executive those schemes then it’s a coaching problem.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
Let me use the infamous link...
…to describe what that isn’t coaching.
Example: On the interception by Allen, the Eagles were in a Cover 3. The Redskins ran a two-man route. The Eagles had Asomugha and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie covering the two receivers. Allen’s responsibility was to stay in the deep middle and not let anyone get behind him.
But Allen was left flat-footed when one receiver ran a stop and the other (Anthony Armstrong) ran a deep post. Allen was caught looking at the short man and lost sight of Armstrong breaking behind him. Armstrong was open, but Grossman was hurried and threw a bad pass.
If Allen doesn’t get deep enough, even though the scheme calls for him to, is that coaching or pllayer?
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Is it because I'm black???
Who brought in Nate Allen again?
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
That’s irrelevant to this discussion. We are discussing scheme improvements.
2011 New York Giants- Worst NFC Champs Ever
Team Keep Andy and Juan
No. You are. I’m discussing why I’m fed up with this team.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
Then you're adding input...
…where it doesn’t fit. Being fed up with the team clouds your judgement and the judgement of MANY around here. I’m fed up too…but that doesn’t mean I can’t still openly and honestly evaluate one specific area of the team.
Why do people always think I'm playing the Race Card???
Is it because I'm black???
Allen's addition
Is the issue. He, like Juan, is the result of bad personnel policy by the Eagles FO. There’s a reason a team like the patriots and Steelers remain constantly relevant. Not only on draft day, but when hiring coaching staff – they generally pick the right people for the job.
We don’t. I think this aspect of the Juan Castillo hate gets overlooked, that he’s hated mostly as a symbol of his bosses ineptitude.
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 31, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
An addendum
Yes, I’m using a now-famous idiotic call to make a point – much in the way that McD’s failures are summarized in “Dropping Trent Cole into coverage.”
The only thing that would have made Juan blameless for that play was if Nnamdi, the best man corner in the game allowed the go-ahead TD to Fitz. That didn’t happen. Our 2nd round rookie did. Nnamdi was covering Early Doucet.
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 31, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Before you make an addendum...
…make sure that the underlying theme makes some sense. What you are implying here does not.
FACT: The reason why Nnamdi does not lock up man to man on the opposing team’s best receiver has NOTHING to do with Nnamdi. It has to do with Asante and his unability/unwillingness to move sides. So, if you are not going to lock up man to man with Nnamdi, you are going to realize that sometimes the opposition is going to put their best receiver in the slot and get a mismatch.
Why do people always think I'm playing the Race Card???
Is it because I'm black???
Nate Allen's addition was the issue??
Nate Allen was HIGHLY regarded coming out on draft day. Had it not been for two all-world safeties coming out that year in Berry and Thomas, Allen would have been the first safety off the board. And still, there were many pundits that had him graded out better as a pro than Thomas!
We sit here and act like he wasn’t less than a year removed from ACL surgery. He tore his ACL in DECEMBER! Now, I’m not saying he was a world beater before he went down, but he was playing very well and definitely living up to a 2nd round pick.
Why do people always think I'm playing the Race Card???
Is it because I'm black???
What week did you see this?
Week 11? Week 15?
See, I think most Eagles fans wanted a Coordinator who could call those wrinkles in Week 1, not until we were in a “lose one more game and miss the playoffs” scenario.
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 31, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
-Breakdowns in pass coverage
When your “genius” coach and DC are trying to turn the best man corner in the NFL into a zone safety? Yes, Breakdowns in pass coverage fall on the coaching.
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 30, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Find examples...
…of that in the last 6 games. He made that mistake early on. It was stupid and ridiculous. He corrected the mistakes. Period.
Why do people always think I'm playing the Race Card???
Is it because I'm black???
He corrected his mistakes against Washington and Dallas
Until John Skelton came to town.
Then Tom Brady.
Then, right before he “corrected his mistakes” he let Tavaris Jackson embarrass us on prime time television.
Sorry, if the guy turned the corner BEFORE deciding to match Jaiquan Jarrett on Larry Fitzgerald, he needs to turn a few more.
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 31, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
He let...
HILARIOUS. No blame to the player for playing half speed, huh? Okay bud.
Why do people always think I'm playing the Race Card???
Is it because I'm black???
You're right,
I should amend that. He let his players have such a bad opinion of his schemes that they stopped playing full-speed for him, letting Tavaris Jackson look all-pro.
Is that better? Is he now more qualified to be DC?
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 31, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, now it is worse.
You act like these are 6 graders. These are grown ass men. If they quit on him or stopped playing full speed, that is COMPLETELY on them.
Why do people always think I'm playing the Race Card???
Is it because I'm black???
Fact
The Fins/Jets games were meaningful. You can draw almost no conclusions from the meanignless Boys/Skins games which were filled with backups. Boys hardly played any starters any considerable amount of time.
I suppose it’s at least mildly encouraging that they didn’t shit the bed anyway.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
How utterly utterly expected….
I wish him luck, hope he learns how to adjust in the 2nd half with the opponents’ offense. If he can do that, and teach AR how to adjust when the game plan ain’t working, I’ll be cool.
If not, this without a doubt will be the last year with AR as the coach. Good luck fellas. Breaking old habits is hard to do.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Jan 30, 2012 5:20 PM EST reply actions
It's absolutely a good hire...
Getting Bowles to coach the secondary is almost as good a hire as Washburn to coach the Dline and Mudd to coach the OLine. He’s a savvy coach that should have been considered for more head coaching vacancies than he has been.
Why do people always think I'm playing the Race Card???
Is it because I'm black???
Some on here
Definitely have Stockholm Syndrome.
Where are the improvements on defense from 2010 that got McDermott fired despite the personnel upgrades? Where was the defense when it mattered in the Pats/Seahawks games? Where was the effort at times on this defense especially early in the year and at times late?
The best and strongest argument for keeping Castillo at this point is continuity & who really is available that represents a clear potential upgrade. The defense started out horrendous and moved up to mediocre over the course of the season. If you throw out the last 2 games which were glorified exhibitions, they didn’t look that great after Week 14.
Gratuitous use of "Stockholm Syndrome"
But I feel you on the rest of it.
I had come to accept that Castillo was staying, and I’m always a big continuity guy. I remember taking a couple seasons to get familiar with a college defense, and granted pros don’t have classes or other stuff to distract them, but I think scheme changes really affect the performance of some players. Hard to know which ones it will happen to, but I don’t know that we wanted to change scheme again unless we had a slam-dunk hire at DC.
I like the Bowles move.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
100% Agreed!!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
Patience, Iago
See, we knew Andy would confirm eventually.
My hope when he speaks tomorrow is that he heaps a good portion of the blame for 8-8 and five blown fourth quarter leads on his offense. Defense owns up to a share, but no way they or Castillo should take the entire blame.
And now 478 comments to get caught up on.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
What struck me this year
Was guys who are normally objective and fairly level-headed including Didinger and Jaworski were pretty critical of Castillo and the job he did even after the 1st month.
I am no expert nor do I watch hours & hours of tape. It was just a defense that got out to a horrendous start, improved a bit along the way but had some real stinkers too, and padded there stats a bit at the end with a few meaningless games to look average overall.
The question should be this though – was there any real improvement in this defense from 2010 to 2011? I would argue ‘no’ which is disappointing/perplexing given they had better overall personnel this year.
It is, but you could argue
that the free agent influx and lack of offseason to adjust to the new scheme helped the defense be a little unrefined at the start, and that they improved over the course of the year.
I’m not necessarily saying that’s my opinion; I still think the linebackers were subpar when adequate probably would have sufficed, and the safety play was bad early on. That was about half the defense underperforming, and that’s not counting DRC not being effective playing out of position.
I also think a little bit of everything got this team this year; it was something different each game.
Coaching staff and players can take the blame for this year, but at the same time, I don’t see their issues as things that can’t be fixed this offseason. The defense isn’t a major overhaul away from being pretty good.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
The ‘slow start’ is a weak excuse though especially given how terrible they were the 1st month when they had one of the worst defenses in the NFL. It wasn’t like there were some struggles with really just 1 bad game in there. They were pretty pitiful.
Yeah I'm not a huge fan of it
I watched all 16 games, some more than once, and I felt like their issues couldn’t be pinned down by pointing the finger at one particular person or unit. They had the turnovers, they couldn’t hold leads, players were playing out of position so their talent wasn’t being maximized, there were blown assignments and missed tackles, missed field goals in key situations, red-zone woes, players who weren’t completely bought in, or doing their own thing, quarterbacks making bad decisions at the end of halves, getting away from the running game … etc.
On one hand I think there is something to the lack of offseason when you change the entire scheme. All that said even at 1-4 they had several chances to right the ship and slow start doesn’t excuse the Bears, Cardinals, Seahawks or Patriots losses.
Castillo is capable. Not spectacular, but capable. IMO anybody who’s looking to point the finger solely at him either didn’t watch the games, or is looking for a scapegoat on which he can release the anger of this 8-8 season.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
by D3Keith on Jan 30, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Criticizing Castillo
Became a meme, and an easy out for guys who barely watch the Eagles. Which I guess made Diddy and Jaws’s criticism more suprising.
I didn’t find much of the criticism to be very nuanced. It was either “Castillo sucks/doesn’t know what he’s doing” etc. and not really specifics.
Some of the critiques here and on Tommy’s site at least provide reasons why Castillo and/or the D wasn’t great. And even when you don’t agree you can respect that.
Overall though, by talking heads, I think Castillo — because he was a former OL coach and because leads were being blown — became an easy target. But even in the games where the D blew the biggest leads, San Fran and Arizona, special teams and offense could have easily bailed the D out and sealed the game.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Castillo
Isn’t as awful as some make him out to be nor is this defense but where was the improvement this year over last year despite the better personnel?
He’s going to be the DC again next year simply because the Eagles don’t believe there was a candidate available at this point who is an upgrade. It is really no endorsement of the job that Castillo did this year in any way.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 30, 2012 5:47 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Lol
Then who was zone?
El Donkerino (if you're not into the whole brevity thing).
I miss me some Brian Dawkins :(
by El Donkerino on Jan 30, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
One way to look at it...
All the bitching in the world isnt going to change s***.
I hate the Castillo move but we are stuck with him.
If you think about it though…..Mcdermott came in—-the defense wasn’t really good, he was fired. Part of that could have been the players, and part of it the scheme. Either way he was fired. I think all of us could unanimously say that if Mcdermott got another year with Nnamdi,Jenkins and Babin that they would have been better than the prior year just due to the familiarity of the scheme.
So maybe thats what the Eagles are thinking here—instead of a new talking head yelling at them, maybe they just wanted to stick with Juan for the sake of continuity.
Just a guess. I would love it if we are all wrong next year AND THE DEFENSE IS LIGHTS OUT. , I doubt it, but i WOULD LOVE IT.
I'm so happy Juan is back.
More terrible personnel decisions.
More soft zones.
More no blitzes.
More terrible match-ups.
More bad run defense.
More awful tackling.
Less man coverage.
I’m so excited!
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"Stats are for fantasy and losers. Winning is an attitude."
That said, given who's out there as of today
Who would you rather have?
Are you an anybody-but-Castillo, change-for-the-sake-of-change guy?
It’s pretty clear they pursued Spags but other than that we aren’t sure if they liked anybody else better than Castillo. Did you?
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Is it clear that they pursued Spags in earnest?
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
Well I was going off of
The Peter King report and Juan’s comments in Mobile. Until then, I thought it was entirely possible they weren’t pursuing him at all. Most every story was fairly speculative.
It’s circumstantial evidence, for sure. No way to know how earnest their pursuit was unless somebody spills it. It will be interesting to watch Andy deflect pointed questions about it tomorrow.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Is it clear that he would’ve been interested?
2011 New York Giants- Worst NFC Champs Ever
Team Keep Andy and Juan
Anyone but Juan because Juan is fucking awful, not change for the sake of change.
Who would I rather have? Off the top of my head: Joe Woods, Jon Hoke. Kevin Greene. Winston Moss.
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At least we know where you stand
“Anyone but Juan.”
Cool. Discussion over.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
I have found out that d-jackfan10 is very very good at evaluating college prospects (I really enjoy his posts about the draft etc), but when it comes to Juan he is blinded by hate to a level I havnt seen since people just hated McNabb because he was McNabb.
If Juan coached our defense to the top of the NFL next year, he would still find a reason to hate him.
by Anders Jensen on Jan 30, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly.
I never let hatred blind me to fact. I form an opinion based off of what I see and then use fact to reinforce my opinion. D-Jack is one of those that once he doesn’t like you, you could save his dog from a burning building and he still won’t like you.
Why do people always think I'm playing the Race Card???
Is it because I'm black???
Kevin Greene needs his opportunity if Castillo is a DC
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Fear Tebus(Tim 3:16)!!!
by HawaiianGreen on Jan 30, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
Continuity
We can suck in a similar fashion. I find that comfortable and reassuring.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
Change just for change's sake
is for simpletons, and slaves to immediacy. Not every move is a smart move … Firing McDermott for Castillo might be a good argument for that.
I honestly believe in the NFL, where there’s such a thin line between success and failure, that most moves are setbacks, at least initially … but we crave them because we see the wildly successful ones pay off.
Lol @ “comfortable and reassuring” though.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
It’s not change just for change’s sake though. It’s change because it’s needed.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
But that’s exactly what it seems like. A change because we are all pissed and Juan sucks and SOMETHING MUST BE DONE.
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by bdawk4ever on Jan 30, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What does blitzing have to do with anything? We had lead the league in sacks and had consistent pressure on the QB.
What does Juan have anything to do with bad run defense? The bad run defense was a combination of scheme (sacrifices some run defense for better pass rush), poor tackling and poor LB play.
The awful tackling have nothing to do with Juan as he is not the one tackling.
Is it Juans fault that his only 2 options for MLB was Matthews and Chaney?
by Anders Jensen on Jan 30, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
What does Juan have anything to do with bad run defense?
hes the defensive coordinator, he controls the scheme
The awful tackling have nothing to do with Juan as he is not the one tackling
juans big motto was fundamentals
Is it Juans fault that his only 2 options for MLB was Matthews and Chaney?
yes it is, he handed matthews the starting position without any competition and didnt bench him soon enough.
"Buddy doesn't have many rules but one of them is don't lose to the Cowboys."
He was kinda handed the scheme by default, because we hired Washburn first and he runs an aggressive 1-gap scheme.
Just because his motto is fundamentals, does not change that even when players like Page, Matthews, Chaney etc was in position to make a tackle, they still failed
I dont know how much say Juan had in the draft and FA signings, but the run defense didnt get much better when they changed from Matthews to Chaney, it improve slightly when Page was benched.
by Anders Jensen on Jan 30, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
ha i almost forgot about the whole page debacle this year lol….ill give you the fact he was given shit players at linebacker, however im still pissed matthews was unchallenged in preseason and page was ran out of philly alot sooner. im starting to get the feeling the reason juan isn’t getting fired is becuase maybee this wasn’t his defense and reid feels bad they he dealt juan a raw deal by setting it up the way he did
"Buddy doesn't have many rules but one of them is don't lose to the Cowboys."
Page looked really good in TC and pre season, so I wont blame him for starting him I also think change just for the sack of change is bad, so just hiring a new guy wont solve a thing.
by Anders Jensen on Jan 30, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
Uhhh… there’s no way he looked good against Pittsburgh
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
I dont have the film, but im pretty sure Page was the best looking safety in preseason and TC, but thats not very telling tho.
by Anders Jensen on Jan 30, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
I remember giving him a compliment
and being surprised by Page. Then the real games started and I turned on him quickly, being punctuated by the blitz on the Fred Jackson goal line run where he ran right by him and forgot to attempt to tackle him.
I was so done with him then. That was among the low points of the year (Also the Jarrett/Asante play against Arizona, and the Hawthorne INT in Seattle, and Nate Allen getting smoked against NE)
Didn’t Joe_D do a worst moments post last year? It was painful but cathartic lol
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
I remember that as well...
…I was actually pretty high on him from what I saw in the preseason. It was surprising to me how bad he was in the regular season because of that.
Why do people always think I'm playing the Race Card???
Is it because I'm black???
And yet our passing defense was still picked apart. Hmm… Do you not remember games like the Bears game where we had zero pressure and Juan brought 2 blitzes the entire game? You seem to be forgetting how inconsistent our pass rush was before the last 4 games where the Eagles put up 17 sacks in 4 games against some of the worst lines the NFL has to offer.
You see the wide 9 scheme that we clearly weren’t prepared to run? That has to do with bad run defense. Starting a linebacker who can’t take on blocks behind the wide nine is Juan’s fault (Casey Matthews).
He’s the guy who coaches the defense, he’s the guy who is supposed to make sure his guys tackle. And he is the guy who decides who plays, maybe he should look into starting defenders who can, I dunno, tackle?
And no, that’s not really his fault but he certainly didn’t do anything to help cover up that weakness.
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"Stats are for fantasy and losers. Winning is an attitude."
So why not praise Juan for bringing more blitzes the last few games?
Also you remember the Bears game when we had another DC, there bliztsed almost all the time? We didnt bring pressure in that game either.
Also who should Juan have started at MLB instead of Matthews or Chaney?
by Anders Jensen on Jan 30, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
He should have instantly known not to start Matthews.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
Neither Chaney or Matthews rocked to world at MLB and they both made the same mistakes, like getting stuck on blocks and missing tackles.
by Anders Jensen on Jan 30, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Thank God!
It’s about time the Eagles really dug deep and made the hard decisions in this, a season which even our owner called unacceptable.
We fired the Secondary Coach.
Good job, boys. See you in the Superbowl next year.
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 30, 2012 5:53 PM EST reply actions
What's funny is
If the Giants are any indication, all the Eagles need is a one-game improvement and they can get there.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Logic fail.
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We’re not close. We played 5 playoff teams (Atlanta, SF, NE and NYG 2x) and we were 1-4. We’re not close.
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"Stats are for fantasy and losers. Winning is an attitude."
That's fine if you believe that
We can make stats say anything. You know as well as I do they could have easily been 4-1 against playoff teams. And had they even been 2-3, neither of the Giants games would count as games against playoff teams.
Which is the point. The Giants, had they somehow not made the playoffs at 9-7 and put together this remarkable run, would be sitting right where we are lamenting how much they suck.
You’re smart, I shouldn’t have to explain basic stuff to you. Sure, the Eagles aren’t close to going 15-1, but in the modern NFL you don’t have to be a perfect team to win it all. Certainly you aim higher than ‘9-7 and hoping for a remarkable playoff run’ … but the Eagles really aren’t that far away from being good enough to get into the playoffs and win.
If you want to wallow in negativity, be my guest.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
But we weren’t 4-1 against playoff teams, were we? No and it’s because we consistently came up short in big moments. Meanwhile, the Giants beat the Patriots in the regular season and they took the Packers and 49ers to the last minute of the game. Eli Manning and the Giants had 6 4th quarter come backs this year. That’s the difference. We wilted in pressure situations, the Giants thrived. I have no doubt in my mind that we wouldn’t have been able to do what the Giants did in the playoffs.
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I agree totally
I had no faith in this year’s team after the Cardinals loss. Even when they got to the point where 8-8 would get them in if things broke right, I was like why get excited, they aren’t going to do shit if they get in. This team didn’t have it, IMO. They were bad and their problems were of their own making. They deserved to be 8-8 even though they blew 5 or 6 winnable games.
That said, we weren’t disagreeing over whether they were bad this year. We were discussing whether they could make a run next year. The deal is they had issues this year but most of them seem fixable. They have talent at all but two positions. They have draft picks. The base schemes are productive, and tweaks can be made in the offseason.
They most certainly can make a run next year. And in fact, almost every recent Super Bowl features a team that was 8-8 or 9-7 the year of or the year prior to their run.
The Eagles have work to do. They were bad this year. But they aren’t Cleveland Browns St. Louis Rams bad. The Eagles are one of a handful of teams that could be really good if they get their shit together.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
as they have been for the past decade. When have they ever got it done?
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
Talk about a logic fail
So for something to happen in the future, it had to have happened in the past?
Your Mom wasn’t a mother until 9 months after Pops hit it. Anyone with a little vision could see she had potential to give birth if things fell right.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
/thread
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by alcatraz0109 on Jan 31, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Hard to beat anyone with Vince Young
I’m just saying..
49ers- That could go on the offense and special teams.
1stGiants- Casey shouldn’t have been starting (how do you give up a 40+ yards receiving touchdown to BRANDON JACOBS!) and then those Victor Cruz plays, both times Nnamdi was in the area, should’ve made the play (even though it didn’t help him to play zone on the instances).
ok, the giants suck.
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 4th
*would it be "on" or "in" those instances?? or both?.. o'well
ok, the giants suck.
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 4th
Yes,
While the hate that’s being heaped on Juan Castillo is bordering on unfair (even as I really hate his retention as D.C.), it seems like Eagles fans are missing the bigger picture here:
Hating Casey Matthews. Remember when we all hated him the most on the team? Back when we thought we were going 4-12? Ah, those were the days!
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 31, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
That one game difference?
Starts on draft day. If the Giants were rushing Brandon Graham from the left side, they’d be sitting home, too.
The people making those decisions haven’t changed.
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 30, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
Hey now, no one could’ve foreseen Brandon Graham tearing his ACL.
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He wasn't lighting the world on fire
With a healthy knee. Although, thankfully, there’s no excuses for him this year – and I’d be happy to be proven wrong about him.
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 31, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
It’s pitiful that in the last two offseasons the best defensive coordinator the Eagles could come up with is Juan Castillo. What a JOKE
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
im still puzzled they let juaron walk
"Buddy doesn't have many rules but one of them is don't lose to the Cowboys."
Dick Jauron?
That’s your solution to this whole mess?
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
....
….Juan Castillo is the Eagles’ answer….
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
nah thats not my solution, just always wondered why we let a guy thats actually capable of being dc and was on out staff walk and hire juan instead. sorta never made sense to me
"Buddy doesn't have many rules but one of them is don't lose to the Cowboys."
Teams make mistakes. Not everyone who's available necessarily wants to be here.
Plenty of forseeable reasons why they wouldn’t have been a perfect match.
He took the Cleveland DC job on Jan. 21, and McDermott was fired Jan. 15, so I guess you’re right, they could have had him if they wanted him and he wanted them. I’m not sure he was the best available option, and they took three weeks to announce the Castillo hire, so I’m thinking that at the time they let Jauron walk, they had other guys in mind.
In any case, I don’t think we’d be a heck of a lot happier with Jauron, but who knows?
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Juan Bowles or maybe Todd Castillo. this pairing hopefully will be as productive as i’m praying it will be
by TimmyGee on Jan 30, 2012 6:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Before we all Burn LFF to the ground
let’s see if the D improves next year
#DontfuckupJuan
Come on Andy
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according to some people, thats impossible because because Juan is the DC. They even want people to be our DC there have never been a DC (so less experience then Juan)-
by Anders Jensen on Jan 30, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
im just shocked lurie basically said reids ass is on the line this year during his press conference, reid takes one month of radio silence for deep thought and then says fuck it juans my guy. now before you reid supporters say hes loyal to his men. this is the same guy who 2 years ago said sean mcdermmot is my going going foward and then fired him two days later what goes threw this fuking guys mind man
"Buddy doesn't have many rules but one of them is don't lose to the Cowboys."
Even though I want to strangle you because I’m a grammar Nazi, I can’t because I completely agree.
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
some of my letters on my keyboard dont work and i have to copy and paste them from a word document just to type so its annoying and and sometimes i forget
"Buddy doesn't have many rules but one of them is don't lose to the Cowboys."
lol my gf has to do that with the quotation key. It’s sooo frustrating
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
Everybody can't have everything they want
I mean shit, let’s get Payton to be offensive coordinator and LeBeau to run the D. Jeffrey Lurie has plenty of money!
Assuming the Eagles are interested in winning, they tried to add more experienced DCs. It didn’t happen for whatever reason, and we gotta roll with who we’ve got. We don’t even have to like it, but equating failure to get something done against 31 opponents with not wanting to is kind of pointless.
Maybe getting all negative and pissy and throwing bitchfits works for you guys. I shouldn’t try to stand in your way, my bad yo
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
That's a simple take
A more complex one would be “There weren’t many people out there that we liked, and the ones we did turned us down. The defense showed signs of being competent and rather than confusing everybody by starting over with someone who’s no guarantee to be better than the Washburn/Castillo tandem — remember, that’s really what this is — maybe we should get these guys some real fucking linebackers and let them have an offseason to implement it, and meantime we’ll teach the offense how the great Eagles teams under Reid took care of the football … and we’ve got a shot at maximizing our tremendous potential.”
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Do you think Juan Castillo same guy who said Casey Matthews is doing a great job for 3 weeks into the regular season and said Jamar Chaney will be a pro bowl linebacker knows what he’s doing? Same guy who let Jarrad Page start for four weeks before making a change! Same guy who shuffled his linebackers and safeties just because. Start Nate Allen/Jarrad Page/Kurt Coleman and Nate Allen/Kurt Coleman at free safety. Started Moises Fokou at WLB, Casey Matthews at MLB, and Jamar Chaney at SLB; just to fucking throw everyone out of position with no offseason great fucking idea Juan. Starts his cornerbacks in all sorts of weird places like safety, slot, outside, and zone. Lets not forget the goal line play against San Francisco where for some fucking reason the last line of defense against Frank Gore is ASANTE SAMUEL…LOL…!
Yes they flash brilliance but thats all it is…flashes…because with personnel like what Juan was given he was supposed to have a top 5 defense. Don’t act like when you look at the personnel on our front 4 and the shut down corners on the outside we weren’t expected to be a top 5 defense. Even with less than attractive linebackers and safeties he decides to compound the problem and throw everyone into unfamiliar positions. Castillo wasn’t great, he looked like Andy and Washburn’s bitch most of the season, he doesn’t run the defense he just stays out of Washburn’s way and runs a shitty back 7.
What will Andy Reid have to say,
in order for you guys to have a more positive outlook on upcoming season? Or is the negative outlook going to continue until we are in the Super Bowl?
"I once had a friend named Charlie, and Charlie was always late to school
He had a black eye one day, but he wouldn’t say just what happened to him
Charlie got mad in class one day, and stood up with a .22 pistol
Told everybody that he couldn’t take it anymore, he was over being the victim"
“I quit,” might do it.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
by KByars on Jan 30, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Juan Castillo for HC?
"I once had a friend named Charlie, and Charlie was always late to school
He had a black eye one day, but he wouldn’t say just what happened to him
Charlie got mad in class one day, and stood up with a .22 pistol
Told everybody that he couldn’t take it anymore, he was over being the victim"
Allow me to ammend that.
“I quit, and my last act as head coach was to fire Juan. "
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
This isn't what I'm clamoring for,
But it would certainly be interesting!
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 31, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
And that’s the sum of your groups arguments. Reid and Juan suck, so fire them.
Its why we can’t have a logical debate.
2011 New York Giants- Worst NFC Champs Ever
Team Keep Andy and Juan
by bdawk4ever on Jan 30, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Reid is so loyal to both players and coaches...
…until the players turn 30ish
I am just very very excited about this coming year...
more than in the past. Why, because its basically a make or break season for Reid and this team! The kitchen is hot and the pressure is in full effect. Lurie basically made it clear what he expects this year and will not tolerate less. So Reid can hide and dodge the media. He can do whatever he feels will help his cause. Hire whomever.. at the end of the day or should I say the season, he can’t hide from nor dodge results! I believe if those results aren’t a trip to the Superbowl..and or MAYBE even the NFCCG… Well than later Mr. Reid. To be honest, I truly believe if he doesn’t make it to the Superbowl, it’s over! The suspense is killing me. This really is the definition of a “Make or Break” season, and I’m a love every minute of it going forward.
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
Wasn’t this year a make or break season for Andy?
Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.
by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST
It broke so fast that no one could believe it and wants to give him another chance.
"I once had a friend named Charlie, and Charlie was always late to school
He had a black eye one day, but he wouldn’t say just what happened to him
Charlie got mad in class one day, and stood up with a .22 pistol
Told everybody that he couldn’t take it anymore, he was over being the victim"
That depends...
Did Lurie have similar comments or similar statements coming into this season? If so, he most def did NOT let it be known. I agree though. I thought it was a make or break season too. Not because of any publications, but because I figured we have the talent, the time is now! Apparently that wasn’t the case. But this time around, I think Lurie made it public and clear that this is it!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
Reid… Offense finishes 4th in the league, defense 8th.. and this team finishes 8-8?!!? Andy Reid is never going to get fired. I don’t know how the hell he manages to keep his job year after year. It’s a joke.
by jjhh05 on Jan 30, 2012 7:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
hahahaha
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
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Andre Goodman he gets beat more often than Tina turner in the 1960’s by ike
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Sleep isn't just for lazy people - humans need it to think correctly
It’s proven that sleep deprivation slows down cognition. When does Juan realize this and stop thumping his chest about 22 hour workdays? If he just got some decent sleep maybe, just maybe, he puts Nnamdi on Fitzgerald when the game’s on the line.
That's great, whatever
What we need is for Vick to not turn the ball over as much as Rex Grossman every game, J Maclin to be consistent, DeSean to drop the diva act and be a team player, and overall, our offense to produce up to it’s potential. I know I’m leaving out some offensive players but you get my point. I think our defense will continue to improve, with or without a new DC. in this day and age, Offenses win Championships.
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I'm not entirely sure why
The offense is getting let off the hook so easily. They were crap, too – And Jeremy Maclin costs us two games personally.
However, you can’t fire them – you should be able to fire your ineffective Defensive Coordinator. I guess this is where most of the anger comes from.
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 31, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
One angle I think gets underplayed
is that having Castillo or someone similarly inexperienced is the price we pay for getting to keep Washburn. And we like that guy.
If we’d given him the D.C. title but let LBs coach Juan call the defensive plays, I wonder how different the reaction would be.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
With no prior experience, Castillo in his first year as DC, through trials and errors, improved throughout the season learning from staffs in the Defensive Coaching. His lack in play calling, overwhelms the defensive unit, as well as having no knowledge of the players strength, there’s alot of faults in drafting out the play book and expecting the players to follow through.
Mistakes are just that, mistakes. Can’t become better if you don’t know what needs to be corrected. Let alone see what needs be fixing from on a leveled field view. And looking at the charts isn’t telling an iota, of what could’ve went wrong. And problem-solving isn’t always right the first time around.
Each teams are generally striving to improve both sides of LOS throughout the season, usually studying films of their last game and the next team, in making adjustments and/or correcting play formations.
Okay, with the exception that knowledge is power, and it starts in the FO with all the getting and hiring, firing and replacing, with thoughts of having the best talents to benefit as a winning team on any given day.
As side from any head coaches, how many coordinators can say they have the benefit of the opposing coordinators, perhaps only one, Castillo, IMO. To know and train the O-line for many years, must understand the formation in executing against the defense. Turn it around by learning a role against the offense, the first time into a pivotal position as DC, although it was a slow start, managed to go through the first year of overwhelming experience in an elite league, that could have been worst than a bad team.
Could it be, I may not think so, whether or not AR is setting up Castillo to understand what it takes to be a HC, someday. Gaining experience is on the rise, and the knowledge to go along with it. Maybe an assistance HC, but isn’t a coordinator, actually that.
One thing is for sure, we’ve alot to accomplish in the off season, be ready for last year’s .500 and play-off teams in this year’s schedule. One game at a time, let’s give ’em the talons, for emphasis.
by EaglesHeat on Jan 30, 2012 9:29 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Juan has been preping for the upcoming season guys. Improved play calling!
He’s already pre-ordered his play calls!
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by HawaiianGreen on Jan 30, 2012 9:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
For whatever reason, a llot of people on this site seem more butthurt about this than they ought to be.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by alcatraz0109 on Jan 30, 2012 10:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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