FO: Andy Reid Was Uncharacteristically Aggressive Last Year
Football Outsiders has complied their "Aggressiveness Index" for 2011 which ranks coaches according to how often they go for it on fourth down. If you've followed people who do any football analysis, they all say coaches should go for it on 4th down more often than they do. FO has a lot more on that if you're interested...
This year, they found that Andy Reid was pretty aggressive on fourth downs, much more so than he has been in the past. He went for it in 9 of 46 opportunities and they were converted just shy of 20% of the time. He ranked at #12 in the index.
However, when they ranked the the least aggressive coaches from 1992-2011, Reid came in dead last amongst those with a minimum of 100 opportunities. The aggressiveness seemed to pay off for Reid this year as the team converted 4th downs at a rate nearly twice that of the rest of his career.
It should be noted that this is definitely a shift in the way Reid acted this season. Their index excludes situations where the team faced a fourth down in opponents territory or was playing catchup late in a game. So it's not by chance that they were going for it on 4th down more often than usual under Reid.
Mel Tucker, who took over the Jags after Jack Del Rio was fired, was the most aggressive coach according to FO. Interestingly enough, it seems that former Andy Reid's former disciples have learned from his caution in different ways. Steve Spagnuolo was the second most aggressive fourth down caller in the NFL, whereas guys like John Harbuagh, Pat Shurmur, Leslie Frazier & Ron Rivera were all ranked in the bottom 20.
Perhaps most surprising of all though is that the most aggressive coach as far as fourth down calls go from 1992-2011 was none other than Rich Kotite.
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From 4&4 beyond our own 35 coaches should go for it.. Works in Madden
by TimmyGee on Jan 30, 2012 9:42 AM EST via mobile reply actions
This doesn’t surprise me that much. Historically, this team’s been atrocious at picking up short yardage, so going for it in 4th and inches situations was a much bigger risk. With a bulked up McCoy, we’re a lot more successful in those situations, so we go for it more.
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JUAN MORE YEAR! JUAN MORE YEAR!
Good news, last season was unacceptably acceptable. Johnnie Lynn as the secondary coach was the only problem — now that he’s gone and has been replaced by Todd Bowles, everything’s gonna be fine. Just you watch, the Gold Standard will continue its march to glory!
Thank God!
Because when I was watching Jaiquan Jarret letting Larry Fitzgerald run by him for a touchdown, my first though was “Who was the secondary coach who allowed that matchup to happen!?”
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 30, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, I was surprised by it
He had a few HC interviews, so I guess either he opted to come here or he’s not as good as the vague impression I have of him is.
by jackemupkid on Jan 30, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
He prolly knows if Juan dont deliver , he gets the keys.
Possibly even Andy’s keys.
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by JJeaglerooter on Jan 30, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
Went for it 9 times
Small sample size.
And where do you get the “converted just shy of 20%” part? If he went for it 9 times out of 46, that means he went for it just shy of 20%.
If the Eagles converted once, that’s 11%. If they converted twice, that’s 22%.
How about correlating aggressiveness (how often you go for it) to efficiency (how often you convert out of the times you go for it)?
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Exactly, it was an utterly retarded stat to write an article about.
I’m stunned that they tried to connect that stat to “aggressiveness”. Unbelievable. The number of 4th down attempts depends mostly on how many times you had a 4th and short between the 35 and 45, and on how many times you LOSING near the end of a game and trying to catch up. Not a legit measure of coach aggressiveness at all.
Yeah, there could be other factors too
Like an injury to the punter earlier in the game, would make you more likely to go for it on 4th down, rather than kick a punt with ur kicker or something
Just wait until December..
Like not wanting ur defense back on the field
You kids and your InterWebNet VooDoo......Scary
Rewarding mediocrity
Mixed at best on retaining Castillo for another year. Next year really is ‘sink or swim’ for this entire franchise because if they don’t make a deep playoff run you will see wholesale change in the FO, coaching staff, and personnel.
Eagles 2012: This time we really are ‘all in’
Making a change based on one year is a bad move- that’s not rewarding mediocrity.
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BOB
I know arguing about this with you is pointless, but....
…it’s been 13 years of this, not one. Stop using Andy’s regular-season success as a crutch. The inescapable, irrefutable fact is that Andy’s record has yielded ZERO championships, and the team is currently regressing. If you’re happy with the team doing just enough to eke into the playoffs every year then promptly roll over and die, then go with God. I’m not going to dispute your right to do so. But some of us won’t blindly agree with every decision this team makes. That doesn’t make us bad fans. We’re tired and frustrated, and yes, a little bitter and jaded at this point. Saying “just accept it and move on” is getting very tiresome to hear, and some of us feel like venting. If you don’t agree, then fine, but don’t try to shout us down with a zealot’s rhetoric.
And yes this is Philly, you welcome to come check us
Why can't people thoughtfully agree with the team's decisions?
Like consider what they did, what the alternatives were, what the situation was at the time, and then come to their conclusion?
How come if you agree with the front office you’re blind?
I don’t think it makes the agreers or disagreers or the sometimes-agreers, sometimes-disagreers bad fans
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Why can’t people thoughtfully agree with the team’s decisions?
Where have you been? The laundry lists have been made. The individual items have been discussed over and over. Does someone need to list every failing at this point in order to say that shit ain’t working?
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
We're definitely not talking about the same thing
You’re talking about something specific.
I’m talking about the impression that anybody who agrees with something the team does is blindly following or too stupid to make up his or her own mind. The opposite is probably true, and I’m guilty of perpetuating it, where people who take a negative approach are being knee-jerk and reactionary and not often thinking their position out.
I appreciate BGN most when the posts, regardless of whether I see eye to eye with them, are well articulated, well thought out and at least based on something substantive besides “that Mexican sucks” or “Nobody on our line can block” or whatever the hell the issue of the day is.
So in short, yeah, in general, it’s best when put some substance in their posts. Maybe we repeat ourselves, but also maybe readers are reading your post for the first time without the benefit of seeing your last 50 posts on the subject. When the substance isn’t there, and I’m sure I do it, it just reads like more of a waste of time and not anything that could open your mind to something you hadn’t noticed.
As far as where I’ve been … it’s gonna be here less and less if the comments are less and less thought-provoking.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
This isn’t a new issue. The case against AR and Juan has been made all season.
Also, I don’t think it’s unfair to say that some of the people supporting AR and Juan are homers.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
Wow. Never thought I'd see Rich Kotite and Bill Belichick ranked 1-2 in anything.
Thats the first comment under the article and I agree with Dean wholeheartedly
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However,much to the relief of his devoted followers....
…he remained characteristically arrogant, stubborn, cryptic, terse, deluded….and fat.
And yes this is Philly, you welcome to come check us
he's gonna 'work on that'
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by JJeaglerooter on Jan 30, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions

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