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Jeff Lurie Doesn't Take Much From The End Of The Season

The Eagles went on a four game winning streak at the end of the season to finish the year at 8-8. The players all seem to have enjoyed winning and some have even talked about how it will be positive for them going forward. The owner doesn't buy that.

Eagles owner Jeff Lurie didn't make excuses nor did he take a lot of positives for the way his team started or ended the year. At his state of the team press conference today, he was as candid and pointed in his remarks that I've ever heard him.

There's a lot of goodwill and optimism and confidence going forward, but to think there is any legitimate excuses to take that long to come together I think is misplaced. I think that there is a lot of good that has happened in the last month, and a lot of realism has to be looked at as well. I sit back as the owner and like any of you as fans and people in the media or whatever, you do have your full range of emotions. There are times where you are just angry and frustrated and other times, you're trying to convert that anger and frustration, which I try to do, into cool analysis: where are you and what can you expect? What is to be expected?

There's a lot of things you have to like and I like about the last month of the season, but in reality and it's the way the NFL schedule was, we weren't playing Green Bay, New Orleans, Pittsburgh, Baltimore and some of the best teams in the league. There was no opportunity to prove - we proved we could dominate against teams the last half of the year who weren't that competitive. There's a lot to be said for the players coming together and the coaching staff holding this group together in a way that was impressive.

To hold onto that as the reason to be completely optimistic is, I think, fool's gold.

After the jump is transcript of Lurie's full remarks.

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Opening Remarks:

"First of all, Happy New Year and thank you for coming today. I know it’s a little unusual for me to hold a postseason press conference, and I didn’t want to make very much of it, but it’s been a very, very unusual season and that’s really the reason. I have spoken to many of you after games in the locker room and just said, ‘You know, I don’t think it’s my role to talk after games or during the season.’ I’ve stuck with that for years because I feel that during the season, the attention really should be on the coaches and players, and don’t become part of the story. It’s a long season, and the NFL is really a marathon. It’s not about each individual game where the emotions are riding high. I just think that’s the approach that I’ve always taken. I do feel that because it was both such a frustrating and disappointing season and also the timing of the season coming right after the lockout and going right into free agency and preseason games and all that. I wanted to speak at times, but held myself back, so here we are.

This season was without question the most disappointing season since I’ve owned the team. You’re only human and you go through all the range of emotions during the season, but the primary emotions I think are anger and frustration. You think you have – you’re coming off an NFC East championship last year, [playoffs] the year before, going to the NFC Championship Game the year before, so you’re not in any way thinking that if you’re aggressive in free agency, make a trade for a Pro Bowl cornerback, continue to implement and improve the team with good, young players, and [QB] Michael Vick coming off a season where he was second to Tom Brady as MVP of the league, there is no way that I don’t think anybody in this room or certainly myself that we’d be sitting here with the season already ended. It’s not only unacceptable, it’s very, very disappointing and anyone who in my mind both doesn’t feel the disappointment and anger is just not getting what we’re all about. We’re a team, and Andy [Reid] is a coach who has been in the playoffs nine out of the last 12 years, and it’s just completely unacceptable to be 8-8 and watching these other teams play starting next week. Incredibly, incredibly disappointing.

That being said, I think when you’re going through the first half of the season – I think I told most of you in August that I viewed us not as many of the media and national press had as co-favorites or favorites to be in the Super Bowl. I thought we had a very good team, but I regarded, as I said to all of you in August, that Green Bay and New Orleans were the teams holding the last two trophies and I thought they were the most formidable teams in the NFC. I still believe that. What I was hoping was that by making most of the player moves and changing some schemes and doing some things that we did in the offseason, although it was a very short offseason, would bring us closer. We were looking at a team in Green Bay that had 17 players injured when they just got into the playoffs and edged us in a very competitive game and went on to win the Super Bowl. I felt with them getting all those players back, I thought they were a considerable step ahead of us and I thought New Orleans was, too. I thought the first half of the season for us - the only word I could use is maybe dismal. Just unfathomable that we could have the record we have the first half of the season. Not only was it ludicrous to think that we were gaining ground on Green Bay and New Orleans, but we were losing ground to many other teams in the league. It was terrible. At some point I guess, we had some games that we played awfully well. You all saw what we hoped we could be. Looking back on the Dallas game in particular and looking back on a few others in the middle of the season, you just thought that maybe the team had gotten it together early enough and now the team would play ball the way we originally expected. That didn’t happen. It happened in different football games but there was no sustainment of that excellence whatsoever. Yes, the team clearly gelled and came together in the last month, but that’s too late. There are no legitimate excuses in my mind for this team to take that long to gel and come together. I think there is a lot of optimism to be gotten from that gelling, from the scheme finally working, from the players being utilized and reaching some of their potential.

There’s a lot of goodwill and optimism and confidence going forward, but to think there is any legitimate excuses to take that long to come together I think is misplaced. I think that there is a lot of good that has happened in the last month, and a lot of realism has to be looked at as well. I sit back as the owner and like any of you as fans and people in the media or whatever, you do have your full range of emotions. There are times where you are just angry and frustrated and other times, you’re trying to convert that anger and frustration, which I try to do, into cool analysis: where are you and what can you expect? What is to be expected? There’s a lot of things you have to like and I like about the last month of the season, but in reality and it’s the way the NFL schedule was, we weren’t playing Green Bay, New Orleans, Pittsburgh, Baltimore and some of the best teams in the league. There was no opportunity to prove – we proved we could dominate against teams the last half of the year who weren’t that competitive. There’s a lot to be said for the players coming together and the coaching staff holding this group together in a way that was impressive.

To hold onto that as the reason to be completely optimistic is, I think, fool’s gold. You have take it in real steps and say, ‘What was taking place?’ That was sort of the role of taking a real, hard look at the season. With this one, I thought, was the most complicated one to analyze of any season in memory. The differential between the expectation and the result was dramatic. The big decision was what to do with the head coach and the coaching staff. I think that was number one on the agenda as soon as the season ends. To that matter, I’ve spent weeks trying to analyze that and meeting with some people internally and externally with some of the best minds of the business really trying to evaluate the football team, players, coaches, the whole gamut. The things that I look at in that analysis are, I think, three-fold: one is the track record of the coach. The second is taking a look at the more shorter term history of the coach in terms of the last three, four, five years. The last, and probably the most important, is the intangibles. My job is to try and figure out, amidst feeling all the anger and frustration as a fan which I experience daily, and try to come to the best conclusion of that analysis. On a track-record basis, it’s easy to look at and it’s easy to come to a conclusion just on track record that we’ve been to the playoffs nine out of the last 12 years. Does Andy Reid bounce back when a team, which it doesn’t do very often, doesn’t make the playoffs? It’s only happened three [other] times. Three times, [two] double-digit win seasons the next year and [one] appearance in the NFC Championship Game. That’s what you’re looking at in terms of what you hope would continue in terms of this year missing the playoffs when you look at Andy Reid’s track record. When you look at the track record of trying to be more recent about it and not just back loading it with all those championship game experiences, what has happened the last three, four, or five years? I think that’s very important to look at. Taking a perspective on that in terms of 2008, there has only been one team that has made the playoffs more than the Philadelphia Eagles and that’s the Ravens. You go back to 2006, and no team has made the playoffs more than the Eagles. You have to be in the tournament to be in the Super Bowl, and that’s the ultimate goal. It’s hard enough to get into the playoffs, and this coach and his staff have a superb track record of getting to the tournament. The intangibles, though, are the overriding factor for me. I look at the players, number one, how do they gel and how do they feel about this coach? What I don’t look for is the players coach and when the players are very happy to have a coach. I want a coach who coaches and coaches hard, and how do the players respond to hard coaching. This group – as some of you know, I’m at practice every day during the season – this was contrary to the 8-8 record, one of the best groups in terms of energy and motivation at practice that I’ve ever seen. There was always this odd dynamic of having a practice that was terrific and daily practices that were outstanding with the motivation, focus, attention to detail, and adjustments going in. In the games, we might have the lead for two or three quarters but the consistent losing of games in the fourth quarter was bitter for me and bitter for all of us. With the coaches, you have to look at the head coach. Does he have the fire in his belly, and does he have what it takes to take a team far into the playoffs and have a shot at the Super Bowl? It’s a grueling profession as we all know, and Andy Reid not only has the love of the players and their respect, but he also has the fire in his belly to be the best. That’s another intangible. The third intangible is the view of Andy Reid as far as players around the league and coaches around the league. Do players want to come here and play for Andy? That very intense free agency period was somewhat of an eye-opener in that we would have the choice of players that you wouldn’t have dreamed one franchise wouldn’t have the chance to acquire, and the main reason was that the coach had a reputation around the league as almost always taking a team the tournament, having a shot at the Super Bowl, and having a coach that doesn’t respect the players in a soft way but in a hard way. Tremendous respect around the league whenever you ask some of the top football minds in the country and other teams personnel as well. Those are some of the intangibles, and there are many more that I will get into when I answer your questions. Attracting talent, having the energy to succeed and motivation in a huge way, having the anger to move forward – do our players and coaches have that anger? You have to have the anger, motivation, dedication, the focus and the talent. My answer to all those questions is yes. That’s why I want to see our team coached by Andy Reid next year, and I can’t wait to see that team play. I wish it was next week, I wish the season started in May or April and that we can do that, but there is no doubt in my mind that if our focus is to win a championship next year, the best coach for that is Andy. We owe as a franchise to Philadelphia the singular pursuit of winning a championship and that’s why I want Andy back. Amidst all the anger and frustration, I’m really excited about this team. I’ve been around the players every year and this is a special group. It’s a talented group and it’s a group where we brought in a lot of good, talented players. The pay off wasn’t this year, but the pay off has a chance to come soon and be really great. Thank you again for coming."

On whether he anticipates Reid’s staff remaining the same:

"That’s up to Andy. We’ve had long discussions about player personnel staff and everything. That’s Andy’s area, and I think he’ll make the best judgment of that. I think he’ll be addressing you guys soon on that. I have full confidence that he will make the right decisions there."

On how much winning playoff games has factored into Lurie’s analysis:

"I think it is a factor in the analysis and I think you have to factor everything in. We’re not as successful the past few years after being in the championship game four straight years and there isn’t a question about that. There’s plenty of teams that go from 8-8 and being in the edge of the playoffs or not in the playoffs, and the next year winning the Super Bowl. I don’t see that it’s a road blockage there. If you look at what happened to New Orleans after their 8-8 season, the Patriots a couple times, and Green Bay sneaking in last year, it’s a question of getting hot and getting right at the right time. I feel bad this year not being able to have that shot because we don’t know how good we were. We don’t know."

On whether he was more conflicted about bringing Andy Reid back then he ever was before:

"This was the most disappointing season in years and I would say in Andy’s tenure. Extremely disappointing. You go through an intense analysis. I do it every year. Unlike most franchises, it’s not enough just to make the playoffs. That is not my goal and not our fans goal. It’s a precursor to winning the Super Bowl because you just can’t just jump to the Super Bowl. This year was the biggest disappointment for me. Maybe it was the most intense analysis, yes, but it doesn’t mean that when there are seasons when we were in the playoffs that I didn’t go through this very same analysis. The goal is to win Super Bowls, not just be in the playoffs."

On what he thinks the reasons were for being 8-8:

"I think there’s – you guys are the experts and the analysts, but I think there are so many reasons and none of them are legitimate excuses. When I come up with reasons that doesn’t mean it’s an excuse not to be better. But I think maybe there was a miscalculation in terms of implementing big-scheme changes in a lockout situation. To me I don’t know why, I would have thought we would have been able to during the abbreviated training camp and preseason to adapt to some of those schematic changes, they were bold changes. But clearly the team was not gelling and maximizing those scheme changes in the first half of the year. That’s one that comes to mind right away. So I would hold everybody accountable that’s responsible for the scheme changes, yet there’s a payoff once it takes effect and you gel and have it. So I think we saw tremendous benefits in the two lines, offensive and defensive as the season went on and we will benefit from that as we go forward. But the first half of the season, it’s just ridiculously unacceptable to have a fourth quarter lead and blow all of those games. And if we just blew one less game we’d be playing Atlanta next week. So that’s where it’s at."

On whether he supports coach Reid’s decision to hire defensive coordinator Juan Castillo:

"You know, the process was very different in reality. What Andy did is he made – and I can’t speak for him, but I know in our discussions that he made a list of all of the top people that he was looking at to replace [former defensive coordinator] Sean McDermott as defensive coordinator. And things happen, circumstances happen, and if changes don’t happen on other teams than certain coaches aren’t available and he became very, very interested in Juan because he knew what he could accomplish; whether he could accomplish it fast enough is an interesting question and he didn’t, the whole team didn’t, in terms of early in the season. The second half of the season, you know what was it a [5-2] record and regardless of the competition you’re playing. So I think when you analyze any decision of who’s going to coach that there’s a lot of hidden background in terms of where did that decision come from, the reason for it, what was the search process, who was truly available, and then move forward. And look, with Juan Castillo I will just say anyone who’s known this man for 17, 18 years as we all have, incredibly impressive man, incredible family, incredible coach. And was he put into a situation where he couldn’t succeed early in the season? That’s for us all to have answers to; it was a difficult process. So that’s a long-winded answer to say I have a lot of respect for Juan but it’s a complicated process when you’re going through that."

On whether he anticipates coach Reid will keep Castillo as defensive coordinator:

"Those are decisions for Andy. Those are completely Andy’s decisions. We’ve had lots of talks about every aspect of the organization and now it’s up to Andy to make those final decisions. He has the final say on that."

On whether the fan fatigue surrounding coach Reid and the team factored into his decision:

"I think you do factor that in. You’re a football team that has lots of incredible fans, passionate fan base and I think you do factor that in, that there’s sometimes disenchantment with a coach over a long period of time. I think you factor it in, but you have to put it in the right perspective. One of the very sort of disconnected aspects of Andy Reid and he’s a, as you all know, a pretty interesting guy, but when you’re trying to communicate the way Andy does where the first priority is protecting the players, managing their egos, trying to get ready for a football game the next Sunday and replying to questions from a game that just happened, you’re not really getting the Andy Reid that I’m evaluating. And unfortunately, that’s a disconnect because the fans are getting the Andy Reid that is communicating in a press conference. They’re getting the Andy Reid who’s whole priority is to defend and keep a very close circle in terms of what he does managing his players and his coaches, it’s one of the reasons he’s loved so much around the league and by his team. It’s a tough media market, it’s a big market; when you can sacrifice your own popularity for your players, believe me it wins a locker room for a long, long time. And that’s what he accomplishes, but he loses his ability to communicate the way he does with all of us; he may one-on-one with you guys. But that’s what I face as the owner. I have a coach that handles press conferences and communicates with the media in a way that’s incredibly protective of his team and that creates a tremendous unselfishness on his part because he’s going to suffer in popularity, that’s the dynamic here. We all have to realize it. I think it’s one of the reasons why he’s been so successful, but it’s sometimes frustrating, and you know I can use a line of Andy’s and say Andy’s got to do a better job of that."

On whether general manager Howie Roseman will continue to be the GM:

"Yes he will. I’m not going into questions of the organization but absolutely."

On why he permits coach Reid to be arrogant and dismissive to media and fans:

"I think it’s a legitimate question, but to describe it as arrogant is completely wrong; it’s protective and there’s a difference how you interpret protectiveness. You can convert it to arrogance if you misjudge it. There’s no arrogance in this man. One of the analysis I do when I meet with Andy for multiple times in the last month and I do it every year is how humble he is and how self-critical he is and that goes into my analysis. So you’re dealing with a completely non-arrogant man who blames himself for a lot of the troubles with the team but at the same time can openly talk to me about each player and each strengths and weaknesses that you can’t talk to the press about. So that’s what our experience is. And I sometimes do feel bad as an organization that that gets presented in a way that never would be interpreted as arrogant because I don’t think you’re ever going to meet a head coach who’s any less arrogant than Andy Reid."

On what he tells fans who are frustrated about the current regime:

"Yeah, I think, and again in the last four years no team in the NFC has made the playoffs more often than the Eagles, so defending NFC East Champions until this year and three straight years going back have advanced the furthest. So it’s I think a proper analysis and a more rational analysis is to figure out where did it go wrong this year and is this the right coach next year to maximize the talent we have and the opportunity we have. And for our fans it’s really a very confident yes in my opinion. He has all of the ingredients to take the team to the playoffs and take them far. And the players love this guy. They’re absolutely ready to roll with him. And another aspect I’ll just say about Andy is he’s not afraid to make changes, and you know sometimes the changes work and sometimes they don’t. But very few coaches will change quarterbacks and succeed, change schemes and succeed, change GMs and succeed. So this is a man who’s open to change, there’s very little rigidity in the Andy Reid that we all work with. And that’s important because if I felt that there was too much rigidity, arrogance and a sense of separateness then I’d be changing coaches."

On whether coach Reid has to win a Super Bowl next year in order to keep his job:

"Every year, every year the goal is to win the Super Bowl. I think we’ll let the process play out. There’s no ultimatums, that’s our goal and every year that’s the plan. And only one team can do it, there will be 31 disappointed teams this year. But I have to tell you that nobody will lead this team or owner in anger and frustration because that’s where it’s coming from."

On whether he spoke to Andy and expressed his anger and frustration:

"Yes."

On how he expressed his anger and frustration to Andy:

"Very directly, we had a long and very trusting relationship in terms of…"

On what he said to coach Reid specifically to express his anger and frustration:

"I just said people can bring up excuses and stuff from the outside but there’s no legitimate excuse on my part. This team was too talented, this team was poised to really succeed in a big way and there’s just no excuse to be 8-8 when you’re an improved team on the field, theoretically from the team that was defending the NFC East last year. So there were just no legitimate excuses."

On whether he started his analysis thinking there was a possibility to dismiss coach Reid:

"You know, I’m open to any possibility. There’s no fear on my part with engaging in a change in a coaching search, that’s nothing that I’m afraid of. You know I like taking risks and it’s not out of the question. But there is such a build-up of understanding where this man comes from, what he has with the team at this moment in time and what the potential is for next year, that there was no need to kind of go to the brink and say, yeah there is really about to be a change about to be made, not the case."

On whether he’s talked to coach Reid about not sacrificing his popularity while still protecting his players in press conferences:

"I did. I think that’s an area where Andy can probably learn from some of those coaches that do protect their players. But it’s not the easiest thing to do when a team is 8-8 and expected to be deep into the playoffs. I think it’s an easy thing for a coach that’s very protective of his players to be attacked and criticized and you become more defensive as that process goes on, you’re only human. So yes I think there is an opportunity and maybe you all can be helpful, and I know I am with Andy would love it if he could create that balance of being very protective of his players as he is and at the same time maybe find ways to communicate in small groups or interviews or something like that."

On whether he anticipates any changes to coach Reid’s contract since he has two years left on his current deal:

"Not at this point in time. No."

On his thoughts about coach Reid’s ability to evaluate draft picks:

"I think there is but I think the analysis is complicated. You know, we’ve had a pretty good defense and we’ve had a lot of veteran players we’ve brought in that have been very successful that probably overplayed the draft choices. So I think if you look back just two years on defense, I know Andy and this team is very excited about [DE] Brandon Graham having a healthy offseason and should be a top tier pass rusher, but we brought in a top tier pass rusher because we didn’t think Brandon was necessarily going to be healthy this year. So you know, in today’s NFL it’s a combination of draft, free agency, whatever, every aspect has to be analyzed by everyone in terms of internally, and it’s putting the pieces together."

On whether coach Reid makes the final call on draft picks:

"Yes he does. Totally."

On whether he had a self-reflection about the fear of moving on from coach Reid at the beginning of the evaluation process:

"I don’t [have a fear of moving on]. I don’t, it’s just not in me. I’m a risk taker. I don’t know how many owners would have signed [QB] Michael Vick at the time and gone in the different directions that we had to go or chose to go. So the last search was Andy, the most successful coach in Eagles history coming from Green Bay and not even a coordinator at the time, it doesn’t give me any sense of pause to do that again and I’m sure, as everyone knows every coach doesn’t last forever, we’ll be doing that again."

On whether he made his feelings about the assistant coaches on the staff known to coach Reid:

"You know it’s a constant discussion, but I think one of the important things and it’s important in our locker room is for Andy to have the final say. I want our players to understand that he’s responsible for selecting his staff. If I had to tell Andy Reid what to do for offensive or defensive coordinator or something like that I have the wrong coach. I just have the wrong coach if I didn’t trust his judgment. If he’s wrong then circumstances happen, but I have faith that next year we will have a far superior year to this year. And we have great upside."

On whether Eagles President Joe Banner will remain with the team:

"Yes."

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I agree.

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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 3, 2012 5:35 PM EST reply actions  

And I disagree that its fool’s gold. It means something.

Eagles: Season, but they'll be back with a vengeance next year. #KeepAndyReid
Flyers: On a nice roll
Phillies: Looking to next year

by bdawk4ever on Jan 3, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I think for some players. sure, it’s good. They get more confident and I believe “learning how to win” is a real thing.

But for the team as a whole or the organization? I agree that it would be foolish to take too much from it.

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by JasonB on Jan 3, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah, you can’t take too much from it. They are 8-8. That’s mediocre. But they improved. That shows there is hope. Its not a “let’s blow it up” situation, but a “let’s fix it” one.

Eagles: Season, but they'll be back with a vengeance next year. #KeepAndyReid
Flyers: On a nice roll
Phillies: Looking to next year

by bdawk4ever on Jan 3, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

late season momentum doesn’t carry over

by fhqwagads on Jan 4, 2012 2:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh it doesnt? Cough packers cough.

by BrandonB on Jan 4, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I am missing your point here. The Packers were a good team that was ravaged with injuries. Got healthy for the playoffs and won the whole thing. And this year they stayed healthy and dominated for most of the year. That’s not momentum as much as it is a team being healthy.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jan 4, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Wrong. They didn’t get healthy. Half their team was on IR and almost all of those injured players were cut after the season to get under the new cap. They got hot at the right time last year and half carried it over to this season.

by BrandonB on Jan 4, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

They improved in the sense that they went from not being able to beat bad teams like Arizona and Seattle to being able to beat bad teams like NYJ and Miami.

That still isn’t good in and of itself.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jan 4, 2012 7:04 AM EST up reply actions  

They blew them out. None of them were even competitive. Good teams blow out lesser teams.

by BrandonB on Jan 4, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly my point. They beat up on shitty teams. Congratulations. That’s what they are supposed to do.

Talk to me when they beat someone good.

Eagles last 15 games vs playoff teams, including playoff games 3-12.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jan 4, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Considering the team has only come together and started playing effectively the last 4 games, your stat is meaningless. Nobody plays GB, NO, NE, and Baltimore 4 games in a row. They dominated who was put in front of them the last month. Period.

by BrandonB on Jan 4, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

And if they lose to the Jets, the Jets are in the playoffs.

by BrandonB on Jan 4, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

actually no

Prediction: the 3-4 will be out of style in two years.
So no, I will not shut up about stupidity.

by bdawk4ever on Dec 11, 2011 1:39 PM EST

by packimop on Jan 4, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody plays GB, NO, NE, and Baltimore 4 games in a row.

A team that plays in a Super Bowl would, or play 4 teams of that quality. The Eagles are 3-12 vs playoff teams the last 3 years, that is not a meaningless stat. Put that in context with the Eagles overall record the last 3 years and that says that the Eagles are very good at beating, or dominating to use your words, bad teams but very bad at beating good teams. Which makes the Eagles what exactly? Average? Slightly better than average? I am under no illusion that the Eagles should be 12-3 vs play off teams, perhaps 8-7, 7-8 or somewhere close to that, but 3-12?

Considering the team has only come together and started playing effectively the last 4 games.

Why did it take them 12 games to do it? The Niners did it with new coaches and schemes. The Bengals did it with a rookie QB. Just to name a few examples.

The defense may have finally come together during the final 4 games, that’s fantastic. What about the offense? The offensive system, and the players were the same from last year to this year and yet it took them 14 weeks to stop turning the ball over? What’s your point.

They dominated bad teams. Big deal. The season is over and they aren’t in the playoffs. That’s what matters.

And if they lose to the Jets, the Jets are in the playoffs.

And if the Eagles beat the Seahawks or the Cardinals the Eagles are in the playoffs. They didn’t and so they aren’t. I don’t care about what could have been, I care about what is.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jan 4, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

The Eagles are 3-12 vs playoff teams the last 3 years

Why do I care what the Eagles did 3 years ago with Mcnabb and drasticly different offensive and defensive schemes then what they have implemented now. There is no relevance of that stat on what this present team will do in the future.

Why did it take them 12 games to do it? The Niners did it with new coaches and schemes.

I’m pretty sure the Niners didn’t try to implement drastic scheme changes on both sides of the ball with several new coaches and startering players, like the Eagles did. You had a new offensive line with a new offensive line scheme and you had a completely new defensive scheme from line to the secondary with several new starters in a lockout offseason. Andy was extremely short-sighted to think they could have those scheme changes adopted and have the team ready to compete Week 1. Lurie pointed this out specifically as a reason for this season’s failure.

They dominated bad teams. Big deal. The season is over and they aren’t in the playoffs. That’s what matters.

Unfortunately they didn’t have an opportunity to play a top 5 team, but they dominated who was put in front of them, like good teams do. They finally came together too little too late. Yes this season was a waste, but considering the way they finished, there’s no reason this team can’t compete for a Super Bowl next year without making significant changes.

by BrandonB on Jan 4, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Why do I care what the Eagles did 3 years ago with Mcnabb and drasticly different offensive and defensive schemes then what they have implemented now. There is no relevance of that stat on what this present team will do in the future.

Ok, let’s play your game.

1-4 this year vs playoff teams. Which translates out to the same exact winning % as 3-12.

Unfortunately they didn’t have an opportunity to play a top 5 team, but they dominated who was put in front of them, like good teams do.

They did in week 4 and week 12. And lost both times

there’s no reason this team can’t compete for a Super Bowl next year without making significant changes.

I never said there wasn’t. All I ever said was that when bdawk4ever said they improved, he’s right, they did, but they improved by beating bad teams but that that, is not the mark of a good team. Good teams beat good teams. A team isn’t good just because they went from losing to bad teams to beating bad teams.

But back to this:

there’s no reason this team can’t compete for a Super Bowl next year without making significant changes.

Since you brought it up, I am curious What is your definition of “compete for a Super Bowl”? Is it just making the playoffs? Because even Lurie said that wasn’t good enough anymore .

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That is all.

by EREX21 on Jan 4, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

My whole response was taking the last month of the season as context. To me, the Eagles performance prior to the last 4 weeks of the season as little bearing to what to expect from this team going forward. It was a transition time (although extremely painful to watch) where the team was adjusting to some pretty drastic scheme and personnel changes that have now just started to become properly implemented.

My definition of competing for the Super Bowl would be 11+ wins in the regular season. Maybe 12. I think that Lurie’s definition as well.

by BrandonB on Jan 4, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Or a better definition might be a top 3 regular season record in the NFC.

by BrandonB on Jan 4, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Even if they were mediocre, it’s not like the teams they beat weren’t trying to win. During the last 4 games, the Eagles did what good teams do to mediocre/bad teams, blow them out. Nobody plays GB, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, etc 4 games in a row. I think Lurie clearly knows that and that’s why he’s willing to keep Andy, he just is saying he’s not impressed to send a message to Andy that he better get this thing right next year.

by BrandonB on Jan 3, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

While it's confidence boosting for sure

I’m not sure we could ever be a Superbowl contender with our current LB and safety corp. I’ll give castillo credit for the scheme he employed over the final 4 games though

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by TheDtrain on Jan 3, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah, we have serious needs no doubt. A decent LB would be a great start.

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by bdawk4ever on Jan 3, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

This momentum nonsense...

…means nothing.

God Damn you, Andy Reid.

The fat queen has failed us again. Reid must go.

by EvilBanner on Jan 3, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't catch this at first

But he admits that Juan was not among the top choices to replace McDermott.

What Andy did is he made – and I can’t speak for him, but I know in our discussions that he made a list of all of the top people that he was looking at to replace [former defensive coordinator] Sean McDermott as defensive coordinator. And things happen, circumstances happen, and if changes don’t happen on other teams than certain coaches aren’t available and he became very, very interested in Juan because he knew what he could accomplish; whether he could accomplish it fast enough is an interesting question and he didn’t, the whole team didn’t, in terms of early in the season.

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by JasonB on Jan 3, 2012 5:50 PM EST reply actions  

bye Juan?

to me it sounds like Lurie really wants him gone, we’ll see what Andy decides.

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by Clint Eastwood on Jan 3, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

well obviously

but he couldnt just say that. that press conference was not the time nor place

fuck the cowboys

by griffeagles on Jan 3, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

You have to give Lurie credit for honesty at least. I guess time will tell if standing pat is the right choice.

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by KByars on Jan 3, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

My theory is the Washburn hiring had alot to do with it. He’s a fiery guy with a drastic scheme (wide 9), that I think alot of DC’s wanted to avoid. There are already rumors on profootballtalk that Spags has said he would never come back because of Washburn.

by BrandonB on Jan 3, 2012 6:33 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

logical speculation I guess

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Jan 3, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Rumors on PFT is often baseless speculation to get reactions from fans.

by Anders Jensen on Jan 3, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Now that you mention it, that makes a lot of sense. It makes me feel a lot worse about our chances of landing a big name as our DC. If you’re offering the job with the caveat of having to run a 4-3 with a wide-9 because of Washburn, the top notch candidates will find jobs elsewhere where they have total control. Then you’re left with guys who are just happy to get an NFL DC job… like your O-Line coach. Damn, this is depressing.

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by Avant-Garde on Jan 3, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. A big name DC will come in and want his own D-Line coach, and thus scrap the wide 9. Then you have another scheme change on D. Do we really want to go through that again?

by BrandonB on Jan 3, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell, maybe we should promote Jim Washburn to DC and let one of his disciples take over as D-Line coach. No need to change the scheme then, just the play calling.

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by Avant-Garde on Jan 3, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah that’s what I was thinking too, but wouldn’t they have done that already by now? Maybe Wash has no interest in moving up? I don’t know.

by BrandonB on Jan 3, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t see why they can’t still make the change. Maybe he’s the backup plan incase they can’t find someone preferable, and they’re just doing their due diligence right now. He’s been a DC before, so I doubt he has any objections to it (though it was 19 years ago in London).

I just feel like the Eagles can’t take an 8-8 season without any significant changes. They don’t want to send the message that this is ok, not to this fan base. They need a scape goat, and Juan is the the easiest one to blame (mostly because a lot of it was his fault, and everyone knows it).

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by Avant-Garde on Jan 3, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

You may be right it just seems to me they would have hired Wash as the DC initially and bypassed Juan from the get-go if that was possible. I just don’t know.

If you read between the lines Lurie has clearly sent a message to Andy. Lurie thought about making a head coach change this year more than any other year since he’s owned the team. To me, he’s saying Andy has one year to get it right or he’s out. A scape goat is unneeded.

by BrandonB on Jan 3, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

The other thing I find interesting about Wash is he was the D-Line coach in Tennessee for 11 years without one promotion. He just seems like a d-line lifer to me.

by BrandonB on Jan 4, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Not dissimilar to Mudd on the O-line.

by BrandonB on Jan 4, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Did they ever have an opening at DC though? Fisher was the HC the entire time he was there. Gregg Williams was their DC from 97 to 2000, when he left for a HC job. Then they promoted Jim Schwartz up from defensive assistant. He served until 08, when he left for a HC job too. They’ve had pretty good DCs, maybe he was just never their first choice and didn’t want to leave the staff of the HC who brought him to the NFL?

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by Avant-Garde on Jan 4, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe, but don’t you think he would have moved up to DC with another team if he could? I don’t think you stay at 1 position for 10+ years without moving up just to remain loyal to someone. You do what’s best for your career. He’s 62 now and its not too often that you see first time DC’s at that age. He just seems like a D-Line guy through and through to me with no interest in anything else. I could be wrong.

by BrandonB on Jan 4, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

But now that I think of it 52 is even pretty old to be promoted to DC. Maybe he just busted into the NFL too late and too old and has just accepted his fate as a d-line coach lifer.

by BrandonB on Jan 4, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

FFS you two. He has said that he is not interested in being a DC.

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by KByars on Jan 4, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you just start coming here? Dig through the old posts if you want to see it. The question came up when he first got here. He made a joke about not being smart enough to be a DC.
Don’t give me that source bs, pay the fuck attention to shit.

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by KByars on Jan 4, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I like your moxie.

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by KByars on Jan 4, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

In the context of this conversation they are. Both would want to hire their own D-line coach and scrap the wide-9.

by BrandonB on Jan 3, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont think the wide 9 is such a big problem for a guy like Spags and a guy like Spags know first hand what a dominating d-line can do. Take a look at the talent and pass rushing abilities of the Eagles d-line, hard to find a better over line in the whole NFL.

by Anders Jensen on Jan 4, 2012 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

If the candidate wants to run a 4-3 and values getting pressure on the QB over run defense, then yes, the wide 9 wouldn’t deter them. But any DC who doesn’t fit both of those criteria is going to steer clear of the Eagles. May not be a bad thing, since I agree with both those statements, but it does narrow our choices.

Washburn also presents an issue in terms of power. Washburn appears to have far more influence on the defense than the majority of assistants in the NFL. With a weak DC like Castillo, that’s not a problem. But if you’re going after a former HC like Spags, Del Rio, or Fisher, they’re going to want complete control over their defense. They’d probably want to bring in their own people, but with Washburn firmly in place, they can’t do that. To some degree this is speculation, but I just can’t see anyone going from a HC to a DC with limited control over his own defense.

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by Avant-Garde on Jan 4, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

In todays NFL, you should value coverage and pressure over stopping the run. Also Washburn have no more power then any other d-line coach outside of what he is learning his linemens.

by Anders Jensen on Jan 4, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

It also makes you wonder about the future of Juan as the DC. If they didn’t even want him there in the first place…

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by philiafan14364 on Jan 3, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

one thing that interests me

when he was asked about the staff that lurie said thats up to reid. interesting the FO isnt taking a bigger role after the castillo hiring last year, still giving reid full responsibility. im wondering if thats actually true

fuck the cowboys

by griffeagles on Jan 3, 2012 5:54 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed

I wouldn’t be surprised if Lurie gave his opinion, but told Andy he has complete control over who he hires/fires.

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by Clint Eastwood on Jan 3, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

He also said that he was sure Reid would make the right decision, which would imply the one that Lurie is on board with.

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by KByars on Jan 3, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

It really did sound like he was THISCLOSE to firing Andy Reid. I was sitting there like “Oh my god, is he going to do it?”. It started off like he was reading a death sentence.

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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 3, 2012 5:56 PM EST reply actions  

he kept going back and forth it was very dramatic. There was a few times when I though andy was going to be gone.

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by Clint Eastwood on Jan 3, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Showmanship.

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by KByars on Jan 3, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

This

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by Eagladelphia on Jan 3, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

But then he gave a multitude of reasons for why he was not firing Andy Reid, reasons that to my logical mind made a ton of sense.

by EagleinDC on Jan 3, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

The reasons for firing him made more sense IMO.

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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 3, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

To me he said this:

“Andy, you have one more year to get things right or your fired.”

by BrandonB on Jan 3, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I know we’ll never get to hear all the things we want to hear, but I love how Lurie was open and honest about some things… he basically said:

I don’t give a shit that we blew out four garbage teams.

Indeed, those 4 games only look good after getting torched by John Skelton, giving up 8 yards on a QB sneak to Ryan Fitzpatrick and letting Jay Culter look like a HOF’er in his prime.

by MikeCampy on Jan 3, 2012 6:04 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah exactly

The biggest thing is we never looked good against a good offense. In fact, we looked like swiss cheese. Good defenses will at least slow down an offense to some degree,and it only happened against QBs who are very average, despite how people want to skew the stats.

Sorry, this team has talent to win now. I like Juan as a person he’s just not what we need right now

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by Joe_D on Jan 3, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

looks like Lurie is backing up your stance Joe

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Jan 3, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

They weren’t garbage teams, not when we played them.

They may not prove that the team can beat GB, NO, or NE, but to say they mean nothing is just as bad as saying that by winning them we’re going to the Super Bowl next year.

The team beat those lesser teams like they should.

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by bdawk4ever on Jan 3, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Well they certainly aren’t playoff teams.


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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Jan 3, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you think the Seahawks or Cardinals are?

by Dallas Sucks! on Jan 3, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Listen, Juan.

People don’t hate you as a person. They just think it’s time for you to go.

Sorry, pal.

God Damn you, Andy Reid.

The fat queen has failed us again. Reid must go.

by EvilBanner on Jan 3, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

When the Owner says it....
There’s a lot to be said for the players coming together and the coaching staff holding this group together in a way that was impressive.

To hold onto that as the reason to be completely optimistic is, I think, fool’s gold.

4 game winning streak eh guys!!!! CASTILLO IS AWESOME!!!

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Jan 3, 2012 6:10 PM EST reply actions  

He may not be awesome, but he did his job against lesser competition. That isn’t nothing.

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by bdawk4ever on Jan 3, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

It is not nothing, it is expected.

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Jan 3, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

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by bdawk4ever on Jan 3, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Fuck you, dude.

by Dallas Sucks! on Jan 3, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You’re not that lucky

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Jan 3, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t stand these “What If” scenarios.

What if he made that FG,…
What if he didnt drop that pass..
What if the Ginas and the Cowgirls didnt play like ass this year…
What if Mike Vick was White????

It is what it is….deal with it….

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Jan 3, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

It really is absurd though

It’s astounding how many “what ifs” are in each of those losses.

by MikeCampy on Jan 3, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Game of inches….for everyone and every team who plays the game….

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Jan 3, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Then Manning would still be their QB of the future..lol

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Jan 3, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Forgot one

What if mark sanchez was a capable qb?

by nyeaglesfan624 on Jan 3, 2012 6:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

We’d be 7-9?

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by KByars on Jan 3, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

lol maybe. holmes gave us that game. I was referencing the ny v ny game where the refs tried to help Sanchez win an he said no thanks

by nyeaglesfan624 on Jan 3, 2012 6:35 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Whatever else the case

I think you can feel good about Lurie as an owner, and as someone who actually gives a shit and keeps his finger on the pulse of the team. If he thinks that there is a winning formula being built here with the players and schemes, well, that counts for something in my book.

Oh well we’ll see what we see. I do think the odds have increased for a Juan replacement, and it is interesting to note that Juan may not have been Reid’s first choice originally.

by EagleinDC on Jan 3, 2012 6:15 PM EST reply actions  

it is interesting to note that Juan may not have been Reid’s first choice originally.

It would, at least, give Reid some slack for the horrendous decision….

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Jan 3, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely

If the only other guys available had proven that they’re not good enough, then taking a risk with the unproven guy is the right move.

by deg0ey on Jan 3, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

As I said in an earlier replay, my theory is the Washburn hiring had alot to do with Juan not being the first choice. Wash is a fiery guy with a drastic scheme (wide 9), that I think alot of DC’s wanted to avoid. There are already rumors on profootballtalk that Spags has said he’s not interested in coming back to Philly because of Washburn.

by BrandonB on Jan 3, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

By reading this I’ve learned Jeff Lurie is a great owner and I completely agree with his analysis of Andy. We are lucky to have an owner this good in Philly.

by BrandonB on Jan 3, 2012 6:24 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

I have to give you credit Jason...

I came away from listening the press conference rolling my eyes and thinking “what ever”. Somehow three hours later you’ve been able to squeeze three articals out of that drivel.

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by no1pipelayer on Jan 3, 2012 6:26 PM EST reply actions  

Anybody watching our fanbase battle Evan Mathis on twitter

It’s pretty funny. He said if you wanted Reid gone you’re an idiot and people shit bricks. Hilarious, he just keep retweeting their hate. He better get re-signed.

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by KeepSwinging on Jan 3, 2012 6:39 PM EST reply actions  

Awesomeness

Yeah there are definitely some short-fuse fans out there. Nice to see the players speaking their mind though.

by EagleinDC on Jan 3, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Mathis made a fool of Missanelli this afternoon, calling in to his show.

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by MayIhave10,000marblesplease? on Jan 3, 2012 6:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Well first, he heard Mikey Miss talking on the radio, so he picked up his phone and decided to call in. Then, they took his call, and Mathis made a fool of him.


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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Jan 3, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks.

That really cleared everything up

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by Clint Eastwood on Jan 3, 2012 10:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

listen here

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by philiafan14364 on Jan 3, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Some of you guys are bloodthirsty whiners

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by Udalango on Jan 3, 2012 6:46 PM EST reply actions  

tell me about it
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by Dallas Sucks! on Jan 3, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

my ankles hurt just watching this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlbkD4UiScM

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by rich p on Jan 3, 2012 6:47 PM EST reply actions  

I still do not understand how he does not lose 48 fumbles a game the way he holds the ball like a loaf of bread. It’s amazing.

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by djthekidd on Jan 3, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Great vid

@2:40, I think even Barry Sanders himself would tip his haton the move he put on Deon Grant.

ok, the giants suck.
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 4th

Namdey Asomgua sucks.We should have signed Antoneo Cromote so he could have taught his brother, cousin, son or however they are related how to play in teh slotz.I also h8 his nice guy act. I herd he blows through teh hoes faster than runningbacks thru our dfense.
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Shady is the best RB in the NFL not AP
he is the real deal, that dude scares me to death more than anyone on that team besides Vick with time to throw the ball
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by EagleEyes on Jan 3, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

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by KByars on Jan 3, 2012 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

Boston Jeff is good at making money....

…and slinging bullshit. You gotta give him that!

God Damn you, Andy Reid.

The fat queen has failed us again. Reid must go.

by EvilBanner on Jan 3, 2012 7:07 PM EST reply actions  

I was starting to think you jumped off a building after the presser.

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by KByars on Jan 3, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I have never hated Jeff Lurie more.

He makes me miss Norman Braman. At least “the guy in France” stayed in France.

God Damn you, Andy Reid.

The fat queen has failed us again. Reid must go.

by EvilBanner on Jan 3, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

its amazing how everyone and their GMA wanted to fire JC

now , someone, through beating 4 wimpy teams we need to hang onto him

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by Joe_D on Jan 3, 2012 7:12 PM EST reply actions  

Eff that

At most the last four games show he has potential. At best he deserves a demotion to learn under a competent DC.

by nyeaglesfan624 on Jan 3, 2012 7:43 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Actually I want him to go to U of Washington as DC

Then come back to the NFL after a few years

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by Rabbit T on Jan 4, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

This whole press conference thing was just a PR move

They do what they want to do, they just got caught with their pants down with the Castillo move and it ruined their season. To save face Lurie did this big whole press conference thing where he was just full of it. Whatever Lurie, you guys do what you want anyways, just pick the right d-coordinator this time.

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by Eagladelphia on Jan 3, 2012 7:16 PM EST reply actions  

Parents out there...

…if you want a career for your kids that has no accountability, demands NO results, has pope-like job security, and pays insanely well, you should point them in the direction of the Nova Care complex.

God Damn you, Andy Reid.

The fat queen has failed us again. Reid must go.

by EvilBanner on Jan 3, 2012 7:22 PM EST reply actions  

damn

That sounds perfect for me, how can I get a job there ?

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by Eagladelphia on Jan 3, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparently it's pretty easy...

God Damn you, Andy Reid.

The fat queen has failed us again. Reid must go.

by EvilBanner on Jan 3, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

All I gotta do is wait in the parking lot of freezing cold Lambeau field (of course in my car, with the heater running)

and catch Andy on his way out of the stadium and I’ll be set for life.

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by Eagladelphia on Jan 3, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Gruden...

is actually the person that went to his car….

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by greenbean#twoOH on Jan 3, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I was expecting Lurie to provide a status update on the installation of wind turbines and solar panels at the Linc.
I really hope this little hiccup in the football season doesn’t set the renewable energy project back. That would be a shame.

Oh boy, is this great!

by MayIhave10,000marblesplease? on Jan 3, 2012 7:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Renewable energy is actually kind of a cool thing.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Jan 3, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Solar panels are to figure skating as coal plants are to football.

Oh boy, is this great!

by MayIhave10,000marblesplease? on Jan 3, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Solar panels are to fresh water as coal plants are to salt water.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Jan 3, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

touche.
Solar panels are to a pond of fresh water as coal plants are to the Atlantic Ocean.

Oh boy, is this great!

by MayIhave10,000marblesplease? on Jan 3, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t make fun of Jeff Lurie, he is all-powerful, if you piss him off he might just keep Juan and Andy around forever.

"The past is the past, the present is the present, and the future is the present."

Pricesless Post-Game Quotes from Mike Vick

by Eagladelphia on Jan 3, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

watching the press conference now...

i want to reach into the computer screen to try and strangle lurie. he just doesnt get it.

if lurie is right, reid will get us into the playoffs next year to buy him a few more years so that we will never get rid of him. its a neverending cycle.

by jsong83 on Jan 3, 2012 8:17 PM EST reply actions  

It's all about generating revenue

And Andy Reid’s had made him millions in the last 13 years, why would he get rid off him that easy ? He’s a businessman first and foremost.

"The past is the past, the present is the present, and the future is the present."

Pricesless Post-Game Quotes from Mike Vick

by Eagladelphia on Jan 3, 2012 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t listen to the PC so it was good to read the transcript. Sure this is a bit of a PR move but I like that he came out right away and put this thing to rest. Now we can move on. I also like how he said that he likes to keep quiet during the season. We could do worse for an owner. A few observations..

There was some discussions on here a month or so ago about how Reid would be gone if he lost the team. That appears to be true. He didn’t save his job by winning 4 straight. He saved it by not losing the team.

Even though Lurie said that he isn’t afraid to make a change, I think there is a bit of loyalty there and he is giving Reid a mulligan. There were other factors but I think that this is a part of it. I know he said no ultimatum but another season like this and Reid gets shown the door, me thinks.

I just don’t see how Castillo keeps his job.

Go Eagles!

by MRPH on Jan 3, 2012 8:59 PM EST reply actions  

Here’s what I would like to see Andy Reid do more of in 2012:
Pick on the other team’s weak link.
Did you see how the Giants abused Terrence Newman on Sunday? They destroyed him. Relentlessly.
Remember the Superbowl against cheating Bellicheck? Bellicheck had a brilliant game plan to spend the first quarter of the game beating the fucking shit out of Hank Fraley. Manboobs Fraley couldn’t hold up in the second half, and Mc5 ended up getting thrashed.

That is smart football. Focus on a weak lynchpin of your opponent, and beat it to a pulp. Then slap it, piss on it, and dominate it.

I wish Andy would do that instead of his arrogant gameplans of throwing to 9 different receivers on the first 10 plays…

Oh boy, is this great!

by MayIhave10,000marblesplease? on Jan 3, 2012 9:02 PM EST reply actions  

Pick on the other team’s weak link.

Keith Brooking and Bradie James say “what?”

Its all about the []_[]
#FirePaulHolmgren

by philiafan14364 on Jan 3, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

The thing about firing Juan is that any decent DC is not going to be interested in a job with the caveat that they must run a 4-3 with a wide-9 because of Washburn. If Juan gets fired, unless the replacement is Washburn, the whole defensive scheme is going to be scraped…again. Do we really want to go through that again?

by BrandonB on Jan 3, 2012 11:36 PM EST reply actions  

As I just wrote future up, I dont think the wide 9 and the 4-3 (we dont have LBs to play the 3-4 so I doubt we would hire a 3-4 coach anyway) is such a big problem for a guy like Spags.

by Anders Jensen on Jan 4, 2012 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

fuckkk Virginia tech!!!!

"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."-Bill Shankly

Got bad knees and a high motor? Well cmon on over to PHILLY, we'll do our best to put you in the right position and do a better job!

by theaction on Jan 3, 2012 11:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

As a current UM student, I agree!

I'll give you a cookie if you know what my pic is from.

by Avant-Garde on Jan 3, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

i have a question for Mrs. Lurie

can we please have the old colors back?

by juggadore on Jan 4, 2012 12:45 AM EST reply actions  

"Reid still has that fire in his belly"

LOL what doesn’t he have in there?

Formerly number5
RIP JJ
"But for you to open your big fucking mouth and call Shady "overrated" makes me want to take my big cock and shut you up." - Brotherman initiates EB’s prison stay/Brotherman on getting his dick wet.

by HawaiianGreen on Jan 4, 2012 1:25 AM EST reply actions  

Vacancy

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Jan 4, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with this:
There’s a lot to be said for the players coming together and the coaching staff holding this group together in a way that was impressive.

by 999 on Jan 4, 2012 6:29 AM EST reply actions  

So basically after admitting that the team has lost ground to not just the Packers and Saints but other teams in the league and they haven’t had the same success the past three years with no playoff wins in three years. Lurie’s intense scruitiny, anger, and frustration means no changes are necessary. Oh, and Andy is humble as a little lamb. Awesome!

I’m not saying he should go the Jerry Jones route and get a facelift and blow everything up, but if the team has been sliding over the past three years doesn’t it make sense to do something different? Look at the way you’ve evaluated talent? Maybe analyze Roseman’s track record and make a move there?

Vick will go Bad Newz Kennels on that shitass secondary. - EvilBanner

by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on Jan 4, 2012 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

Defensive Draft in The near future

I think its fair to say that Juan Castillo is out. I think we will pursue Spags & that Spags will eventually become Reid’s replacement in a couple of years. AR will be here for some time even when he’s done coaching I see him moving into a Front Office Job like his mentor Mike Holmgren. Keep in mind more than half of our previous Assistants coaches & GMs are building with other teams. Other team like the eagles structure & try to mimic what we do. That’s why i dont see them letting Reid go anytime soon.

I think we will be very defensive minded in the draft this year if we bring in Spags. Our D did get better but it is still very suspect. Asante Samuel is either trade bait or they will try to turn him into a FS(which is scary as he cant tackle to well) Unless Spags really wants to keep him DRC & Nnamdi are both Press Corners & we will need a Ball Hawking Safety who can help create turnovers.

While our DL is good we still got torched with Runs directly up the middle. Don’t be to surprised if Walsh puts a bid in for Albert Haynesworth & to top that Patterson health issue is a little shaky & Cullen Jenkins was only here on a 1yr Deal(I think)

To say that we need LB is a understatement not even going to feed into that.

On offensive I think they will tag DJAX & try to bring in a legitimate back up QB another WR & another RB. Teams will now start to put 8 in the box as we now a threat @ RB.

by ImperialEaglesFan on Jan 4, 2012 10:27 AM EST reply actions  

In regards to the QB, I’d love to see the Eagles use a 4th or 5th on Russell Wilson. He seems like the perfect project QB for Vick to mentor: undersized, but with a surprisingly strong and accurate arm for someone so mobile. He’s also reportedly a great leader on the field and in the locker room.

I'll give you a cookie if you know what my pic is from.

by Avant-Garde on Jan 4, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

in a senses that garbage forces ppl to stay away from it?

"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."-Bill Shankly

Got bad knees and a high motor? Well cmon on over to PHILLY, we'll do our best to put you in the right position and do a better job!

by theaction on Jan 6, 2012 8:01 AM EST up reply actions  

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