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Biggest disappointment: Defense or Offense?

Brian Solomon over at the inappropriately-named (but good) McNabb or Kolb just made a case for "the mirage of late season success." In it, he argues that the late 4-win streak was predictable and means less for next year than we might want to believe. However, in the post he only discusses the defense, totally ignoring the offense (and special teams I suppose).

While responding to that post, I decided to look at what some of the numbers say about the performance of the offense and defense, and determine which was truly a bigger disappointment.

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Defense

We all know the excuses by now: first-time coordinator Juan Castillo had a short offseason to figure out what to do with all the new free agents and young/inexperienced starters. Expectations were skewed thanks to big-name signings like Nnamdi Asomugha, Cullen Jenkins, Jason Babin, and Jim Washburn. But in the end, those are just excuses, and the defense didn't pass the eye test. They looked terrible for long stretches. And the numbers support that, right?

Not so much, no. The Eagles defense ended the year:

  • 12th in DVOA, 7th in weighted DVOA
  • 10th in points allowed
  • 8th in yards allowed

Exactly what you'd expect from an outmatched rookie former offensive line coach. Right?

So by those rankings at least, the defense wasn't as bad as we might think. Yes, they failed to generate a lot of turnovers (18th in takeaways/game). Yes, they allowed a lot of 4th quarter points (25th in 4th Q pts/game allowed), but the Eagles had a lot of 4th quarter leads and teams like New England and Green Bay were worse. Yes, they were 30th (59.57%) in red zone scoring percentage, but were a historically bad 32nd last year with 78.26%. Yes, they missed tackles and blew coverages, committed stupid penalties on 3rd down, and generally looked soft. All things considered, they played like you'd expect for an 8-8 team.


Offense

So what happened to the offense?

Unlike the defense, the offense had stability and talent with both coaches and players. The only free agents that were brought in were backups, except for Evan Mathis. The starting quarterback, running back, tight end, and top 3 wide receivers were the same as last year. The only real changes were on the offensive line, with a new coach and 3 new starters (including 2 rookies). And while I'm probably the last person qualified to judge offensive line play, I don't think many people would argue that the offensive line was at least the best in the NFC East.

Let's look at how they did by the numbers:

  • 8th in DVOA, 7th in weighted DVOA
  • 8th in points scored
  • 4th in yards gained

Maybe that's a little less than we hoped for given the talent involved, but not at all terrible. Also not significantly better than the defense everyone believes to be incompetent. But good enough, combined with the defense, to be better than 8-8. So what went wrong?

I can't really say exactly what went wrong. All I can do is find some numbers I find indicative. Some other rankings the offense garnered:

Obviously the big one is turnovers. Being the 2nd worst at giving up the ball killed drives, took points off the board (a lot of those turnovers were in the RZ), and put a lot of pressure on an inexperienced defense. Also concerning was the tendency for the offense to disappear late in games.

Looking at the Eagles' 8 losses, 5 of them were by 7 points or less. Also in 5 of those 8, the Eagles scored 3 or fewer points in the 4th quarter. And in 4 of those 8, the Eagles scored 0 points in the 4th.

Yes, half of the Eagles losses this year came in games where they failed to score in the 4th quarter, despite losing by a TD or less. And the offense managed to score a TD in the 4th quarter in just 3 of the 8 losses, all games in which the other team had at least a 17 point lead.


Conclusion

Of the Eagles 8 losses, only 2 were blowouts in which they were never competitive (NE and SEA). Both were kind of forgivable, since almost every playoff-quality team has at least one loss to a top team and one bizarre loss to a mediocre/bad one on their record. The Seattle game was also on a short week in which the Eagles had to fly across the country to play a team that's better at home. And don't forget, the Packers' only loss this season was on the road against a 7-9 team in a weak West division. Sound familiar?

The other 6 games were winnable, either because of a 4th quarter lead, a late surge, or merely the fact that they were within one TD of winning when time expired. The defense definitely played a role in those losses, often by surrendering the points that lost the lead and the game. However, the Eagles offense managed to score a 4th quarter touchdown in just 1 of those 6 winnable games, averaging 2.17 4th Q points.

The defense had some talented players in key positions, but was not a stable or solid unit going in to the season. They predictably struggled early, as the coordinator learned his job and the new and young players figured out how to work with each other. But they got better.

The offense had one of the most talented rosters in the NFL going in, and the only major change was bringing in one of the most respected (and generally awesome) position coaches in the NFL to successfully rebuild the offensive line. But they turned the ball over, disappeared in close games, and generally underachieved.

Yell about Juan Castillo all you like, in my opinion the biggest disappointment of the 2011 Eagles was the offense.

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Biggest disappointment?
Offense
50 votes
Defense
40 votes

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So then does the blame go to our friend Marty M for the offensive failure ? Or does he get off scot-free ?

"The past is the past, the present is the present, and the future is the present."

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by Eagladelphia on Jan 3, 2012 7:35 PM EST reply actions  

Let’s get the fire Marty movement started !

"The past is the past, the present is the present, and the future is the present."

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by Eagladelphia on Jan 3, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

It's started already

A lot of people want marty gone. They just want Juan gone first.

I'm great like Gatsby.

by Clint Eastwood on Jan 3, 2012 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh good

I’m glad that sentiment is shared, I haven’t heard much about him from other Eagles fans, so unsure where most fans stand on him.

"The past is the past, the present is the present, and the future is the present."

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by Eagladelphia on Jan 3, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Just heard Eskin's interview on pe.com

He thinks both Juan and Marty will be back next year :(

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by Eagladelphia on Jan 3, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Turnovers really screwed our defense.

The problem with Juan is that he made a lot of stupid mistakes on playcalling. Playing Nnamdi in zone is big example, not adjusting the wide-9 after 4 weeks is another. But I think he’ll get better next year after a full offseason under his belt.

In short: I’d be fine if he goes and I’d be fine if he stays.

I'm great like Gatsby.

by Clint Eastwood on Jan 3, 2012 7:36 PM EST reply actions  

Offense was the biggest disappointment

franchise record in yards and they kept giving the ball away!

At least one more year of Andy and Juan. If they don't win it all they both better be gone!

by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 3, 2012 7:37 PM EST reply actions  

Marty and Juan are both very stupid men.

And they are not capable of learning. If both were fired, I would rejoice. But if only Juan was fired, I would rejoice and spend time next year asking for Marty to be fired.

God Damn you, Andy Reid.

The fat queen has failed us again. Reid must go.

by EvilBanner on Jan 3, 2012 8:00 PM EST reply actions  

How would you feel if both were back ? Seriously !

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by Eagladelphia on Jan 3, 2012 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

7-9, 8-8.

God Damn you, Andy Reid.

The fat queen has failed us again. Reid must go.

by EvilBanner on Jan 3, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t be surprised if Andy pulled that one on us (bringing Juan back). It might be a good thing, it might get Andy fired sooner.

"The past is the past, the present is the present, and the future is the present."

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by Eagladelphia on Jan 3, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

One note I forgot to put in

The offense managed to score a TD in the 4th quarter in just 3 of the losses, and they were all games in which the other team had at least a 17 point lead.

by theguyotc on Jan 3, 2012 8:12 PM EST reply actions  

Biggest disappointment: Defense or Offense?

Yes

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by KByars on Jan 3, 2012 8:21 PM EST reply actions  

You should add a poll

Some guy at PSU Hershey Med Center just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines".

by Ben16 on Jan 3, 2012 8:34 PM EST reply actions  

Both

Offense — too many turnovers

Defense – Didnt’ stop any good teams when they needed to

JoeD AKA The Voice Of Reason

by Joe_D on Jan 3, 2012 9:19 PM EST reply actions  

Agree

I didn’t vote because the entire team disappointed me. With the offense it was really just the one thing, turnovers, but that really killed us.

Go Eagles!

by MRPH on Jan 4, 2012 7:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Jan 4, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Hard to argue about the defense

But they only played 3 good teams, 4 if you count the Bears when they had Cutler and Forte. Only good offense they played in the second half of the season was NE. Considering that’s a HoF QB and two of the most dangerous TEs in football vs our LBs (and safeties), it’s not really a surprise.

by theguyotc on Jan 3, 2012 9:27 PM EST reply actions  

Defense

Going in i was sure our corners were going to be lockdown. Seeing guys like Alex Smith and John Skelton have career days against us made me sick.

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by no1pipelayer on Jan 4, 2012 1:48 AM EST reply actions  

Not so fast

Alex Smith has had a new offensive coordinator every year of his career. We have no real idea how good he is. Skelton I’ll give you.

The only receiver to go over 75 yards or 2 touchdowns in the Niners or Cards games was Larry Fitzgerald, and I can forgive just about any Eagles corner for that. Also, generally speaking #1 or #2 receivers did not fare well against the Eagles in yards or points.

by theguyotc on Jan 4, 2012 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

It wasn't typically the wideouts that did the most damage against us though.

Yes, our CB play was not as awesome as we’d all hoped it would be, but I also don’t think the CB play was the real problem. Safety and LB play were far more responsible for QBs having big days against us. And the early-to-midseason defensive schemes didn’t help anything either.

Clear eyes, full bologna sandwiches!

by NOLACuse on Jan 4, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Alex Smith – 274 for 446 (61.4%), 3150 Yards,17 TD, 5 INTS. Against the Eagles 21 for 33, 291 Yards, 2 TD, 0 INT

He did a real good job managing games and limiting mistakes this year, but when I am up 20 points in the 4th quarter I would not call him a QB that scares me. We should not have let him beat us.

Go Eagles!

by MRPH on Jan 4, 2012 7:14 AM EST reply actions  

Reply fail.

Go Eagles!

by MRPH on Jan 4, 2012 7:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't help but go back to this point

Alex Smith has played every season for 7 years, and not ONCE has had the same offensive coordinator 2 years in a row. Every year there’s a new guy telling him what to do in his new system. No, he doesn’t scare me, but again I don’t think we’ve ever really seen his full potential.

Look at his receiver’s numbers for that game. Not one player had over 70yds receiving or more than 1 TD. He spread the ball around to 8 different guys and generally just avoided mistakes, like you said. And that was the perfect team to beat the Eagles then: a good and powerful RB, an athletic TE, a QB that avoids mistakes, and a defense that ended the year #3 in DVOA.

Also keep in mind that was the game Henery missed 2 FGs from 30-40, Maclin fumbled on the final drive as he reached FG range, and Ronnie Brown had that stupid pass/fumble on the 49ers 1yd line. All that and the Eagles lost by 1 point. It was a completely winnable game and stupid mistakes killed their chances, not Alex Smith.

by theguyotc on Jan 4, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah there were other factors but the bottom line is that Smith was the QB of the offense that score 21 on us in the second half after we were up by 20.

Maybe he does have potential, but at that point in time what had he done to show that he could bring the team back from 20 in the second half? I didn’t look at everything but just by looking at his stat line for the game that had to be one of his better games of the year.

I’ll give you the fact that we should no lump him in with Skelton or Jackson but he’s no Brady or Rodgers or Brees, either. We should have been able to stop them from scoring 21 on us in the half.

Go Eagles!

by MRPH on Jan 4, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I chose offense.

The defense let me down big time, but the turnovers alone made the offense a humongous disappointment. So many of our losses can be traced to turnovers it’s disgusting. We knew our LBs were a question mark. Sadly, the answer to that question wasn’t good. For much of the season the same could be said of our safeties. There was no question about our offense except on the offensive line and that unit did indeed improve. So for the offense to be so inconsistent, even while racking up yards, was extremely frustrating.

Then again, the defense pissed me the hell off more times than I can count.

What a fantastically shitty season.

Clear eyes, full bologna sandwiches!

by NOLACuse on Jan 4, 2012 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

Def D b/c of all the talent on that side of the ball

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by HawaiianGreen on Jan 5, 2012 5:02 AM EST reply actions  

Don't agree

The defense less talented than the offense, and unlike the offense the talent they have is restricted to the line or corners.

by theguyotc on Jan 5, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

This is like asking

Does it matter whether Aconcagua or Kanchenjunga is taller when you’re stuck in the Dead Sea?

French fries are really Belgian, sausages and bagels have the same amount of protein, two countries' names mean "turkey", and Santa Claus was invented by the Coca-Cola company. Is life weird or what?

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by Rabbit T on Jan 5, 2012 12:41 PM EST reply actions  

I'd say offense

For a pretty healthy year, and most of same players as the year before, they sure did suck. Forget stats, our receivers lost most of our early games with dropped passes and fumbles. From Djax, to Maclin, to Avant, to Steve Smith, they all played soft and let me down.

We were sapposed to have the best receiving core in the NFL, but now I’m lookin at Dallas, and the Giants and wishing our receivers were that physical.

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by Memstyle on Jan 5, 2012 12:51 PM EST reply actions  

Offense by far

Marty and Andy could have Jim Brown, Erick Dickerson and Walter Payton back their and would run the ball. The more you throw it the more risks you take. Remember the game Young came in for vick. Youngs very first play they threw the ball and it was intercepted. What happened to letting him get a feel for the game. Who does that? ANDY REID! Word in the league is out blitz the hell out of the eagles cause they gonna throw the ball most the time!

by frontiersman on Jan 5, 2012 2:46 PM EST reply actions  

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