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Eagles And DeSean Jackson Not Close On New Contract

MIAMI GARDENS, FL - DECEMBER 11:  DeSean Jackson #10 of the Philadelphia Eagles celebrates a touchdown during a game against the Miami Dolphins at Sun Life Stadium on December 11, 2011 in Miami Gardens, Florida.  (Photo by Mike Ehrmann/Getty Images)

Paul Domowitch wrote a story yesterday about Joe Banner's take on the upcoming free agent market and buried 7 or 8 paragraphs down was a tidbit about DeSean Jackson. He said that Banner declined to discuss the status of any of the Eagles upcoming free agents, Jackson included, but he cite a source who said that the sides are not particularly close.

...league sources said Jackson's opinion of his worth continues to be night-and-day different from the Eagles'.

While Jackson has said he would be willing to get franchised, the Eagles aren't likely to do that. If he signed the franchise tender, they would have to pay him $9.5 million next year. That's an awful lot of money to give a guy who has just five touchdown catches in his last 22 games.

What the Eagles decide to do with Jackson should be a major, if not the major storyline of this offseason. It's pretty clear that Jackson is worth more than he's getting paid now, but obviously less than the "Larry Fitzgerald money" he is reported to be looking for. Where he's going to fall in the area between those two is the mystery, which won't be solved unless some other team sets the market with an offer.

But will it come to that? The Eagles have the option of the franchise tag to control Jackson's rights. And while they probably wouldn't want to pay the $9.5 mil it would take if he signed the tag, they also wouldn't want to let an asset walk away for nothing.

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i know this is off subject but check this out

this is to mee a perfect mock draft for us it fills every need i think.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1040939-2012-nfl-mock-draft-full-7-round-philadelphia-eagles-mock-draft#/articles/1040939-2012-nfl-mock-draft-full-7-round-philadelphia-eagles-mock-draft/page/2

EAGLES R #1

by PHIeaglesFan17 on Jan 29, 2012 2:47 PM EST reply actions  

Meh

We’re going to need a WR in the first 3 rounds, we don’t need to spend a 2nd round pick on a back-up corner, and we don’t need a TE. We barely utilized 2 TE sets last season, no reason to add a 3rd TE, I doubt they’ll cut Clay.

Shady McCoy: Franchise records or GTFO
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by KeepSwinging on Jan 29, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

it's good but unrealistic

the offseason and draft could go a few ways…
1) we resign Desean, Evan Mathis, and Sign a vet LB then draft a DL or safety in the first and a OLB and DE in the second
2) we dont sign Desean, but sign Mathis and vet LB then we draft a WR in the first, LB and DE in the 2nd
3) Don’t sign vet or desean, we sign mathis, draft kuechly or brown, then WR and LB in the 2nd.
4) or something else lol.

Option one would be ideal though.

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Jan 29, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

there are also alot of good free agent WR

and I like Connor, Hawthrone, Henderson, and DQwell Jackson at LB

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Jan 29, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I would like it if the Eagles could sign Vincent Jackson or Dwayne Bowe. Neither has the Desean speed but has almost everything else Desean is missing.

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by andyb on Jan 29, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

We need a tall receiver

for a red-zone threat

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by FloridaEagle on Jan 29, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

We didn’t use 2 TE sets because Clay Harbor isn’t a big enough threat to warrant them. A 2 TE set with Brent Celek on one side and 6’6, 4.64 40 Ladarius Green on the other would cause huge match up problems for opposing defenses and would really open up the run for both McCoy and Vick. An offense that can field Vick, McCoy, Jackson/Floyd/Sanu/Wright, Maclin, Celek, and Green, with an elite offensive line, is an absolute nightmare for opposing defenses.

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by Avant-Garde on Jan 29, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

haha agreed

I hate that site because everything is slideshows

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by I3irdMan3901 on Jan 29, 2012 3:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

agreed and most of that site is either pretty inaccurate

or pretty unrealistic as far as value for players

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Jan 29, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too....BUT

those daily doses of non football fluff got me through the lockout. they’re like the empty calories of sports news….

http://www.onesheet.com/ghoztman

by w-w-JJ-d on Jan 29, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Heck yeah it does

I don’t like clicking on a link and feeling like there’s more strings attached.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Jan 29, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

That side is horrible. I ignore any links to it.

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by bdawk4ever on Jan 29, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks for the love

That was my mock. For a writer who got his start at BGN it means a lot to get mentioned here for my work at B/R. I am doing another mock for Friday and I will continue to tweek my mock. With DeSean’s contract situation I think Joe Adams will be a major target moving forward. Maybe even Michael Floyd or Justin Blackmon(trade up) in the first if we address the MLB in FA like some people believe we will.

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by MidwesternEaglesfan on Jan 29, 2012 4:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

it was good

just didn’t seem likely but of the mocks on the site, it is by far the most sensible

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Jan 29, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I would freaking freak out

if we traded up for Blackmon

At least one more year of Andy and Juan. If they don't win it all they both better be gone!

No way Eagles draft a LB in the first round 2012.

We will see if Spags was in the right place at the right time in the Gmens SB run. Or was that the fluke year and he really is just mediocre.

by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 29, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

saw bleacher report....

…and thats it

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by jXn on Jan 29, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Desean will end up staying

I think this is going to drag on for a while unless Desean drastically reduces his asking price. Look at this WR free agent class:

Tier 1
Dwayne Bowe
Marques Colston
Vincent Jackson
Mike Wallace
Desean Jackson

Tier 1.5
Jordy Nelson
Stevie Johnson

Tier 2
Reggie Wayne
Deion Branch
Mario Manningham
Robert Meachem
Wes Welker
Ted Ginn
Brandon Lloyd

With that kind of competition Desean won’t be able to get the money that he’s looking for from any team just because there’s too many other good options. Robert Meachem made 1.2 million and Mario Manningham made about 1.4 million this year. Larry Fitzgerald is making 10-12 million. Bottom line, Desean and Drew Rosenhaus are the only people in the world that believe he’s worth 10 times what guys like Meachem and Manningham are.

by Turd.Ferguson on Jan 29, 2012 3:40 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

nelson signed an extension this season

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Jan 29, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Like your tiers.

Question, are you including Djax in Tier 1 because of his additional ST abilities? Otherwise he’s a 1.5 to me. But, he is far and away the best ST guy on that list….

http://www.onesheet.com/ghoztman

by w-w-JJ-d on Jan 29, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, included ST. That’s the only reason Ted Ginn made the list too. There’s other FA receivers out there who are just as good as him that I didn’t bother mentioning. I basically split them up based on ‘If I had my pick to have any of these guys on my team, who would I want?’

by Turd.Ferguson on Jan 29, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Even still Jackson isn't Tier 1

He’s got terrible hands and runs bad routes, and this past season you saw him give up on the coaches and his teammates. Nelson is much better all around receiver then Jackson and I’d take him any day over him. Jackson is a low Tier 1.5.

by slandog on Jan 30, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

"I think this is going to drag on for a while"

Yes.

And re: “unless Desean drastically reduces his asking price.” … I think he and Drew are fully aware of the competition that’s out there this year and are totally bluffing to see if anyone will take the bait.

Somebody will overpay him, IMO, but it might put him in a terrible situation where he won’t win anything. Not sure if it’s definitely his smartest move. I think that’s why Drew and DeSean let it be known the franchise tag is okay … Pocket $9 mil then test free agency again next year.

The Eagles, on the other hand, really need to make themselves players in the deals for Dwayne Bowe, et. al. I think athletes still want to play with Vick and still find the Eagles a good destination if the money’s right; not sure they could survive another season like this, but people see the talent and that they played below their potential.

Consider it might take a while to resolve DeSean’s situtation, I don’t think the Eagles can afford to sit on their hands. The worst outcome would be signing no one and losing him.

If being aggressive means we’re resigned to losing him, by giving his money to another receiver, then so be it. I think both sides have had more than enough time to come to an agreement so I don’t think the Birds can go forward depending on having DeSean back unless they want to bust out the franchise tag.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Jan 29, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Is this "terrible situation" millions of dollars in the bank?

If so, he’s gone.

God Damn you, Andy Reid.

The fat queen has failed us again. Reid must go.

by EvilBanner on Jan 29, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats exactly what I’ve been saying. Jackson will be allowed to test the free agent waters because he won’t get the type of money he’s looking for. There are just too many more talented WRs that will be available.

And tagging Desean then trying to trade won’t work either because again the market will be flooded with better players. And if he does sign somewhere else for big money than we will still get a 3rd or 4th round compensatory pick in 2013 anyway because the comp picks are based on the contract value that departing FAs get. And I doubt we’d get more than a 3rd rounder if we could find a willing trade partner this year.

The question is how many of those Tier 1 guys actually make it to free agency. If all but one get tagged then DJax has some additional value. But I think Bowe, Colston and VJax won’t be tagged this year.

Although I would list Desean as a 1.5 talent too as well as Welker. Also I would add Pierre Garcon to the Tier 2 guys. He has had 3 solid seasons in a row. And last year improved despite being without Peyton.

by brza37 on Jan 30, 2012 6:18 AM EST up reply actions  

If not Djax (or maybe even instead)

Marques Colston. Great hands, big target and will never be a headcase

by Skulman7 on Jan 29, 2012 3:58 PM EST reply actions  

Banner and Roseman have screwed this up from the beginning.

It will be a shame to see Desean leave, but Snyder’s going to pay him top 10 money.

God Damn you, Andy Reid.

The fat queen has failed us again. Reid must go.

by EvilBanner on Jan 29, 2012 4:03 PM EST reply actions  

and the fact that the Redskins would do something usually means that it is

A: a good football decision or
B: a bAaaAaad football decision

http://www.onesheet.com/ghoztman

by w-w-JJ-d on Jan 29, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't disagree that they'd be overpaying him.

But it’s going to happen.

God Damn you, Andy Reid.

The fat queen has failed us again. Reid must go.

by EvilBanner on Jan 29, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Especially with Rex “Fuck it I’m going deep” Grossman

by SuburbanElite on Jan 29, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I totally can see it happening too..

But the fact that we both can see the Eagles FO letting go Djax (hard, but quasi-logical choice) and the Redskins signing him ( sexy, non-rational, expensive choice) is telling. Says alot about what we think about each franchise and probably reflects their disparate success in the last decade or so….

http://www.onesheet.com/ghoztman

by w-w-JJ-d on Jan 29, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Wouldn't mind if it happened

If Desean walks and we replace him with Stevie Johnson (IMO they’re almost identical when it comes to receiving skills) and Robert Meachem / high-ish draft pick we end up with cumulatively better talent while spending less money (if we’re looking at a bidding war).

by Turd.Ferguson on Jan 29, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

If you dont mind

Could you please explain how Desean Jackson and Stevie Johnson are identical in anything but drops? Stevie is quite a bit bigger than desean as well as quite a bit slower they don’t seem to share anything other than maybe running some of the same routes.

ok, the giants suck.
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by EagleEyes on Jan 29, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

How do you blame them for this?

It’s his rookie contract, yes. But he got that contract because of these same issues, he thinks he’s better then he is and he’s got an attitude. He’s also not a big WR and is pretty much worthless in the RZ. Those are all reason why he fell to the 2nd round.

And he’s never changed any of those habits. Yes, he’s underpaid and I’m sure they are offering him much more then he is currently making. But why would anything think he should be getting more then 6 mil a year. That is still a big wallet and that is the most I’d go for him.

by slandog on Jan 30, 2012 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

DeSean has picked the worse possible year at the worst possible time to play hardball

I loves me some DJAX, but to say that this particular free agency/draft period is rich with WR talent is an understatement. He had a decent statistical year (by his standards) but he also got to showcase everyone of the the Eagles reservations about going long term with him. dropped passes? attitude issues? durability issues? Check, check, and check….Hopefully he takes his tier-2 money and takes a looOong deep swig of STFU, and keeps it moving

http://www.onesheet.com/ghoztman

by w-w-JJ-d on Jan 29, 2012 4:03 PM EST reply actions  

Hopefully, but it’s DeSean we are talking about.

After this past year he deserves second tier money, but let’s not forget that he is only a second tier prima dona as well. He isn’t anywhere near as disruptive as a T.O., Braylon Edwards or Ochocinco. He’s more of a gent than I thought he was going to be after his first game. You know, when he threw the ball down on the 1 yard line and blew his first TD as a pro.

I think it would really be great if they can come to terms with him. He’d probably get his head straight and set the league afire.

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by IggleGreen on Jan 29, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree it would be nice if there were a happy, Eagles-related ending

But I don’t see why, now, Drew and DeSean wouldn’t take a long, hard look at what’s out there. And I think now, the Eagles have to prepare to replace him.

Therefore the only scenarios where I see DJax coming back is if the market doesn’t meet his liking, or if he has to take the franchise tag and test free agency coming off a year better than the last one.

As much as I like DeSean, he strikes me as the kind of guy who is going to take the highest offer, and the Eagles aren’t likely to be the team making it.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.

by D3Keith on Jan 29, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

DJax is a tough call re: sign, trade, walk.

Big plays and talent, but attitude and durability make the big contract a gamble. I would think Eagles FO would like to trade for picks, but not sure how well that would work if they have to franchise him.

by Shofner85 on Jan 29, 2012 4:46 PM EST reply actions  

"Durability"

Just curious… why does Desean have the reputation of being non-durable? But Maclin, who missed more games than Jackson in fewer seasons, is not? Jax only had 2 significant injuries in 4 seasons, and he only missed 3 or 4 games. Practically all of our players who have been here as long as Djax or less have missed more games than him (Herremans, Samuel, Vick, T Cole, Peters, N Allen, B Graham, the LB’s, Justice, J JAckson, Vick, etc) . I guess the entire team is injury prone.

by MikeCampy on Jan 29, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Because he doesn’t do anything that would get you injured. You don’t take contact running deep routes. You take contact making catches at full speed in the middle of the field, with no chance to avoid nearby defenders. Maclin, Avant, and Celek run those routes, while Jackson stays on the outside. That’s why guys like Maclin, Nicks, and Austin get hurt while guys like Jackson or Wallace stay healthy for the most part. They get hurt more because they’re durable enough to run those dangerous routes without getting destroyed.

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by Avant-Garde on Jan 29, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

This comment makes absolutely no sense.

By definition, getting hurt more inherently makes them less durable.

If you want to say they are more “sturdy” or something like that, I guess I could see it, but like Mike said, DeSean is very durable.

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by philiafan14364 on Jan 29, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

No he's not

He doesn’t take big hits. Look at how he is in the RZ he shys away from contact and how often do you see him EVER to a route over the middle? He’ll to a deep post sure, or a shallow crossing pattern but even then he alligator arms most of the balls. Anything over the middle isn’t going to him because he doesn’t run those routes.

Jackson’s only asset is his speed, that’s it. And that is the first thing to leave a player. He’s got maybe 5-6 years left in him and that’s if he doesn’t get another concussion. One more of them and he’s done because HE won’t come all the way back from it.

by slandog on Jan 30, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

His durability isn't really an issue as is his attitude and volatile nature

I’d love the guy to stay and he really has that attitude that makes an intimidating Eagles team, but what good is it if he’s never going to give his full effort on the field? His work ethic isn’t something to be jubilant about nor his dedication on the field on a consistent basis. He’s being a bit conceited and believes he deserves Fitzgerald money when he doesn’t work half as hard as Fitz.

If he really wanted to increase his value this year and advertise himself to other teams, he would’ve given more effort on the field, and still be arrogant about the whole contract ordeal. At least that way we can at least know exactly what we’d lose if he walks.

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by jXn on Jan 29, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

What an insult to Larry Fitzgerald

Fitzgerald should have won the Heisman, for Odin’s sake.

by donniethelion on Jan 29, 2012 6:00 PM EST reply actions  

All hail Odin.

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by IggleGreen on Jan 29, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

More concerned about signing Mathis

I’d like the Eagles to maintain some continuity between a QB and his quality receivers for the first time in, well, never. It’s worth paying DeSean too much. But really it’s too late already. The Eagles needed to sign him before the start of the season. Instead the Eagles waited until the middle of the season to say how much they’d like to sign…LeSean McCoy to an extension. Which is exactly when the DJax situation went to crap. Jeez what they could ahve done with at least giving him a few million just to tide him over. The Eagles FO thinks it’s the Pats FO and wants to see guys get pissed off. The big difference is that the Pats are playing for their 4th ring in the last decade and the Eagles want to just have a third chance to play for it in over four decades. The Eagles’ only leverage is that players like playing for Andy because he’ll never embarrass them in public.

Meanwhile the Eagles should ask, what would the best QB in the league be like with DJax? And calculate the cost from there.

by 1993Heel on Jan 30, 2012 12:11 AM EST reply actions  

my theory

can u say Blackmon! the without from Oklahoma St. Eagles looking to upgrade physically I believe…

by pragit on Jan 30, 2012 10:09 AM EST via Android app reply actions  

I hope DJAX stays.

But if he goes our 1st rd pick should be WR Michael Floyd from Notre Dame. Once the DJAX situation is taken care of our 1st rd pick will be more clear cut. If he stays the pick should be LB Luke Kuechly if he goes the 1st rd pick should be Floyd.

by Almightypudster on Jan 30, 2012 10:46 AM EST reply actions  

I’d actually prefer Mohamed Sanu to Floyd, especially if we could trade down to get him. He’s also a possession receiver in the Hakeem Nicks mold, and while he’s an inch shorter and ten pounds lighter, he comes without any character concerns, unlike Floyd. I think it sends a better message to get the guy who’s know for being a team player.

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by Avant-Garde on Jan 30, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

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