Roseman Implies The Eagles Missed On A LB Target Last Year
Philly.com has posted the full transcript of Howie Roseman's Q&A with reporters at the Senior Bowl and one particular line of questioning caught my eye... linebackers.
Roseman was asked whether the LB position is an "organizational blindspot?"
I can only speak of all the conversations I've been in and the conversations we have internally and there’s not one position that we look and don’t think has an impact. We don’t devalue that position. Have there been opportunities that maybe haven’t worked out because maybe a player gets picked right before we picked and we’re in negotiation to sign someone and it doesn’t work out? No doubt about that. That’s something we’ll look at like we’ll look at all areas of the team. We’re not sitting here and saying that we don’t want good players at all positions. Obviously there are 22 spots and you can't have superstars at every position.
So he says they don't de-value the position. The obvious retort to that is to ask why then then didn't upgrade the spot last year rather than go with mostly low drafted rookies and young players? That's what was interesting. Roseman seems to imply here that they may have had their eye on a few guys that they weren't able to get.
I think that throughout the course of last off-season whether it was in the draft or free agency we explored options at that position as well as others. Unfortunately, in this business you don’t always get everything you want and it doesn’t work out perfectly. The plan that you have or the picks that you want or the draft board as you set it out – there are 31 other teams that you’re competing with. Certainly we want to get better and we want to get better in all areas. Eight and eight is not good enough and we’ll look at all those things here.
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He didn't say they didn't have enough money to sign a linebacker
He said:
Have there been opportunities that maybe haven’t worked out because maybe a player gets picked right before we picked and we’re in negotiation to sign someone and it doesn’t work out?
It doesn’t work out could mean that the guy picked somewhere else or got a fatter contract elsewhere. And Smith signed pretty late, did he not?
Frankly I think hearing this from HR — oh no, his initials are HR — is good news.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Its no excuse to start Matthews in a new system with a new DC….theres ZERO excuses…..he fucked up..and he should flat out say he fucked up, and tell us what hes gonna do to fix it…
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Jan 24, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
and tell us what hes gonna do to fix it…
Doesn’t telling us what he is going to do to fix the problem elevate the difficulty in achieving the previously implied solution and ultimately increase the likelihood that the problem persists?
This whole “you should have to tell us what you are going to do to remedy the situation” routine is so fucking childish and stupid that it blows my mind that there are people out there who actually believe it should happen. Grow the fuck up. We, the fan base, are owed absolutely nothing when it comes to publicizing what the FO plans to do moving forward. If you don’t like how Mr Piggy and his piglets go about conducting business, go root for one of the other 31 teams who don NFL helmets.
by The Reddgie on Jan 25, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
hahah Fuck you….youre a fuckin joke
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Jan 25, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Fantastic retort
Your lack of intelligent debate cements my point. Thanks.
Damn...
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
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This argument is right up there with
If you don’t like the way America is run, don’t vote or become an activist – just leave it.
Uh, no. There are ways to enjoy the Eagles without supporting them. Don’t buy tickets or merchandise.
You’re right, the front office owes us nothing — but we don’t owe them anything, either.
I get to choose who I like and why, and I get to choose to bitch or not to bitch about any perceived problems — and you don’t get to make that choice for me.
But, as your post suggests, I hope to never see you post ANYTHING critical about the Eagles again. Because, as you said…
“If you don’t like how Mr Piggy and his piglets go about conducting business, go root for one of the other 31 teams who don NFL helmets.”
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 25, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Participating in how our government is run and by whom is NOWHERE CLOSE to what I said about having a feeling of entitlement about how a sports organization is run and what information they divulge regarding future plans. Swing and a miss. Our government has a DIRECT EFFECT on our lives every minute of every day and as a citizen of this country, you don’t have a choice of whether or not it does whereas following a sports team is completely voluntary and if the Eagles lose, it doesn’t change anything (or at least it shouldn’t) or make your life any harder.
Your second and third sentence have nothing to do with what I posted, so I am going to ignore them.
I never stated that I get to choose for other people who they get to like. That is a stretch that would make a pair of spandex jealous. As for being critical, I didn’t make a blanket statement about the entire organization and team. I made a statement about how they conduct business. I agree with how they conduct business, because to do it any other way would be stupid. Show me one team in the NFL that comes out and states exactly who they want to sign and who they are going to draft and their overall plan for improving the team. No one does, because it would make it exponentially harder to achieve what they want. How the team performs on the field, or what plays are called, is separate from how they conduct business, so if I don’t like how they perform on the field or what plays they call, I am going to be critical of them as they have nothing to do with whether or not I like how they conduct business. They are separate.
Sounds like we're going to draft/sign a lb.
The FO does fix their problems eventually. For example, we used to have terrible WRs, now we have Maclin and Jackson who until this year everyone thought were pretty damn good until this season.
Kinda OT:
What happens of Keuchley gets drafted before we pick? Should we just take a WR/BPA? Personally, I’d want to trade back and take Hightower.
I'm great like Gatsby.
by Clint Eastwood on Jan 24, 2012 6:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I really hope the Eagles sign atleast one LB in FA, so that Luke isnt the only option.
by Anders Jensen on Jan 24, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
Me too
Having three top-50 picks plus Asante Samuel as a trade chip and zero major immediate needs would give us crazy flexibility and make the draft verrry interesting.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
2 major immediate needs
Linebacker and Linebacker.
Plus some minor needs, like Linebacker.
I would like to thank my hands for being so great, for allowing me to type this post.
by corn on the kolb on Jan 24, 2012 7:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Right, so if they address LB, as Anders suggested
the draft then becomes verrrry interesting.
I would back them drafting an LB even after signing one in FA. I would take a safety, a backup QB (McNabb, swallow your pride!), another RB and another WR. I think both lines are good for a year but you can never have too much there.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Ohh, so like if we go after Curtis Lofton and Dan Connor and land them
then you’re saying the draft could get interesting???
Honestly I’d love for us to go and grab a few guys in FA, then draft Luke for MIKE… then trade back up into the 1st and grab Wright or BPA.
I think the wildcard in everything is going to be Mathis.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Whoa, D3...
SAM LB, MIKE LB and WILL LB are immediate needs.
Also backup SAM LB, MIKE LB and WILL LB are immediate needs…
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
I agree with this, however I hope they sign a guy who can transition to the outside if needed.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
There'll be some really good linebackers that'll slip to the second round.
IF we trade back we can realistically have a shot at drafting 1-2 of them and even a WR.
BREAKING NEWS
Luke Kuechly isn’t the only LB in the 2012 NFL draft
The Legend
by KJ Brophy on Jan 24, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
BREAKING NEWS
You’re a dumbass. Keuchley is obviously the best linebacker for the eagles and is the best value at 15, none of the other linebackers should be taken there.
I'm great like Gatsby.
by Clint Eastwood on Jan 24, 2012 7:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Take a look at this...
New Era Scouting has him as third round value.
http://www.newerascouting.com/2012/01/19/luke-kuechly-2012-nfl-draft-scouting-report/
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by no1pipelayer on Jan 24, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Wow!!!!
That is an AWESOME link…please keep sharing it since everyone thinks he is the LB for us. Slow, non athletic, can’t disengage block, slow “read & react” keys, no a blitzer, but a good character type player. I want Vontaze Burfict. I want the raw, freakish athleticism along with over aggressive mean streak. To be fair, I want you to find the same type of footage, write up, etc for Burfict. Now, I believe Kuechly WON’T be available @ 15; we should draft Flyod there. Trade back into 1st (package Samuel, 2nd; Jackson, 2nd; or both 2nds) to pick Burfict @ 24. Funny all the comments neither address or acknowledge this write up and correlating footage….Smdh
by Lawdhvmercy on Jan 24, 2012 10:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

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by philiafan14364 on Jan 24, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
I wanted to take that site seriously till I read this
This is about Colt McCoy
Final Word: McCoy is one of the more polarizing players in the 2010 Draft. Many scouts believe he is a franchise quarterback, while others contend he is an undersized system passer. McCoy’s success will be based on his work-ethic and football IQ- two very underrated attributes for starting quarterbacks. McCoy is a lock to hear his name called in the first round.
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HAHAHA, get em
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Honestly if Keuchley's gone before we pick then I hope we
go after the BPA or trade back to nab another target.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
NOOOO
That ruins the narrative! The FO sucks, they hate LB and the fans and everything!!!!
by bdawk4ever on Jan 24, 2012 6:14 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Slow down.
This is an 8-8 team with shitty linebackers.
God Damn you, Andy Reid.
The fat queen has failed us again. Reid must go.
Roseman basically said that
“I think when you’re 8-8 and you’re at the Senior Bowl you obviously look back and think there were things you could have done in a different way – some draft picks you’d like to have back, some signings you would like to have back.”
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by JasonB on Jan 24, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Let's move on
Seriously…Preseason we were all saying how genius these guys were….They missed on LBs, they missed on the DC (BIG TIME)…. They know it, we know it
JoeD AKA The Voice Of Reason
I think it's important to hear them acknowledge it
Don’t you?
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
They always acknowledge things.
And then do nothing to fix problems
God Damn you, Andy Reid.
The fat queen has failed us again. Reid must go.
C'mon EB ... they fixed RCB and RG from last year
and broke defensive coordinator and whatnot.
You can rightly characterize them as fingers in the dike, as in they fix problems at a rate not much better than new problems develop, but they don’t outright pretend the problems don’t exist.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Let's hear them acknowledge
That Juan Castillo was outclassed for 13-14 games, and found his groove way too late against inferior opponents with little to no passing game to speak of, and no stud RB?
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 24, 2012 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
Bite your tounge.
“Castillo” is Spanish for “Dick LeBeau” according to many on this board.
God Damn you, Andy Reid.
The fat queen has failed us again. Reid must go.
by EvilBanner on Jan 24, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And, apparently,
many in the Eagles FO.
Hard working =/= Talented
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 25, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
It’s pretty hard to fix something when you don’t know how.
I think they do the best they can, in other words I think they work hard.
In other words..........
a high motor front office.
It's never easy being an Eagle fan........but I'll be damned if I ever stop.
Sign Spags Now !!!
by JJeaglerooter on Jan 24, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
I was about to post this
I think it was him. the bucs took him right before us and he was a hot name before the draft. That or Stephen Tulloch.
by Mr.electric10 on Jan 24, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
Eagles needed lbs for years now. They have continually ignored it. Now they say the person was taken or signed before we picked or at higher $ than our offer. All BS!! Bowman 2nd round. Lee 2nd round. Foster 3rd round. Posluzny drafted after eagles in late 1st round. Then also available late last year in FA. Ruud available late last year in FA. Tulloch available late last year in FA. Curry of seattle went to raiders at trade deadline for 4th rd pick. Eagles are liars!! They continually ignore their real needs and jump all over the draft board to select hybrid players and projects!! Just draft a damn need!! This year take hightower and burfict with first 2 picks!!! See if that changes things!!! Cant be any worse. We did draft graham with a 1 and nate allen with a high 2 and they cant make the field!!! Y not try 2 lbs back to back!!
by phillyreaper on Jan 24, 2012 8:06 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
i wanted curry too! i heard hes beast on the raiders, idk if its actually true
JPP for 2011 DPOY!
by NewYork! on Jan 25, 2012 1:35 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Worked fir patriots!!! Took 2 TEs back to back. Gronk and hernandez. Everyone laughed. Whos laughing now! Oh by the way they also drafted brandon spikes in 3rd round!!! Another starting lb the eagles didnt select!! Not available because eagles think they can get players noone knows about for low picks or dirt cheap instead of just drafting a stud when you should draft a stud!!!
by phillyreaper on Jan 24, 2012 8:10 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
In hindsight, not taking Brandon Spikes was pretty foolish.
"it's like i tell my ex-wife, i never drive faster than i can see, and besides it's all in the reflexes." -Jack Burton, Big trouble in little China
How is that?
He’s the third best LB on his team, designed for the 3-4, and is slow as molasses.
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"Brian Dawkins is always 100% Eagles related."--macjack09 & BGN Nation
Trotter was slow the first time around.
I’ll give you Jerod Mayo. And I don’t have the stats in front of me to say he’s better than Ninkovich, But I would say he’s an upgrade over anyone we have. (except maybe Rolle, but Rolle wouldn’t survive inside)
"it's like i tell my ex-wife, i never drive faster than i can see, and besides it's all in the reflexes." -Jack Burton, Big trouble in little China
Trotter was slow running, but he was quick to react. And he’s not better than Mayo and not better than Guyton, but Guyton can’t stay healthy and also got in Belichek’s dog house. Spikes is so slow that Tyson Gay lapped him 3 times in a 40 yard dash. I would have preferred we have made a move for Maualuga, but I’m not mad about the McCoy pick.
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"Brian Dawkins is always 100% Eagles related."--macjack09 & BGN Nation
The patriots have been pretty tough up the middle the last couple of games...
Past Wilfork and Mayo, I give alot of that credit to Spikes. But you’re so fucking right about Maualaga. I would almost rather have him over McCoy….almost.
"it's like i tell my ex-wife, i never drive faster than i can see, and besides it's all in the reflexes." -Jack Burton, Big trouble in little China
I'm a little un-appeased by that answer
Didn’t Andy specifically state that they didn’t go after a LB because he wanted to see how his young guys would play?
And if it was an obvious weakness especially deep into the year, didn’t Tatupu (who may have been bad, but was worth a one year shot at least especially after how our first few games) say he was waiting and wanting to get signed by us? Why not take a shot there?
Kirk Morrison (who albeit hadn’t been what he was years ago over the last 2 years) wasn’t worth a look (he signed 14 days after Smith’s signing)?
Maybe its just me, but I take what Howie is saying with a grain of salt because I just don’t believe that an organization who’s had little-to-no interest over the last near decade in LBs suddenly found an interest in them last year and needed to provide excuse as to why they did what they always do. Its not secret that Andy has never cared for the position. Spikes gone after one year, Witherspoon gone after half a year, Stew walks without hesitation, etc. Yet every time Andy talks about it, its “We tried to see if we could bring them back and or they decided other ventures…” blah blah. Its just a complete load to me.
I want Kuechly as bad as anyone. I’ve been on his bandwagon forever. Hell, I would be happy just to get a LB period in the first few rounds and one with talent who can actually making a difference. No more excuses.
Formerly macjack09
"truTV is like BET for white folks." - Chuck
"Brian Dawkins is always 100% Eagles related."--macjack09 & BGN Nation
They definitely could have taken a look at Morrison
Although I think it’s pretty telling that nobody else wanted any part of Tatupu either.
I take Howie’s remarks to mean “we messed up at LB last year and we don’t want it to happen again.” A lot of GMs don’t even acknowledge that they made the mistakes.
This is far better than them coming out and defending their line of thinking going into the season, wouldn’t you say?
Thanks for bringing up Witherspoon and Spikes, who was/is a baller. Didn’t they let him go because they loved Stew?
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Its not Howie I'm necessarily worried about
As much as Reid. I still think the final verdict goes to Reid (even though it maybe less now more than ever after this past season)
And to answer your first question, is it good yes…but not good enough for me. Not saying they can do something immediate about it right now, but I want to see action rather than just words. Unfortunately, this FO lost me in the regards to talking the talk. I’m gonna have to play the pessimist role for right now and hang back until I actually see them do something otherwise, I’m not gonna sit here and put my faith behind them. They’ve dropped the ball to many a time for me for me to do that. Not saying they couldn’t possibly sway me later. But I wanna see truth behind their words.
And no they let go of Spikes and Witherspoon because they didn’t want to absorb their salaries that next year and never attempted to resign either one. In the Andy Reid era we’ve only resigned 1 LB to a moderate contract and that was Trotter (and remember he was on the bench for a part of the season). Otherwise, its been plain view that Andy has never placed adequate value on the LB position.
Formerly macjack09
"truTV is like BET for white folks." - Chuck
"Brian Dawkins is always 100% Eagles related."--macjack09 & BGN Nation
That's fair, to want to see action
All of us do.
I just take it as understood that they can’t do anything until free agency, and then the draft, and even then the returns aren’t always immediate, or what we expect.
So until then all they can do is talk. And given how teams around the NFL sometimes aren’t even honest with themselves, acknowledging — publicly — that they have a problem to me is the first step.
So far I like Howie. He makes moves, which is always more fun than your GM sitting on his hands. And like most GMs, some work and some don’t, but what I like about Howie is he doesn’t stay married to a bad move if it’s clearly bad (see: Bell, Mike).
As far as faith, to each his own.
I guess re: LB we could look at it both ways. Obviously the Eagles value QB, T, CB and DL most, but they haven’t completely ignored LB. The fact they go out and get Spikes and Witherspoon and use second and third-round picks on LBs shows they do value the position; The fact that they have to keep doing it shows that they don’t.
Sometimes though I think we BGNers get mad at the method or the effort when we should be mad at the results. Here, it’s definitely the results that bother me.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
In hindsight
Letting Stewart Bradley walk was pretty stupid
In hindsight, letting Stewart Bradley walk for a
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by philiafan14364 on Jan 24, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
No clue what happened there…
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by philiafan14364 on Jan 24, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
In hindsight, letting Stewart Bradley walk for a 5 MILLION DOLLAR CAP HIT was like the smartest thing we did all offseason.
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by philiafan14364 on Jan 24, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Stew Bradley didnt do a thing in arizona!!! We need real players. And real players were available and eagles continually ignore them!!
by phillyreaper on Jan 24, 2012 8:17 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
But he knew our system, and the LB play went to hell after he got injured last year. He was the 2-down LB we needed this year.
We changed our system bud, so he didn't know shit.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Stew got tossed into a system he didn't know without an offseason.
He was an adequate starter here when he was healthy. Miles better than what we had.
"it's like i tell my ex-wife, i never drive faster than i can see, and besides it's all in the reflexes." -Jack Burton, Big trouble in little China
I am not a huge Bradley fan...
…but compared to the “three bullies” Reid puts out there week after week, he’s Mike Singletary.
God Damn you, Andy Reid.
The fat queen has failed us again. Reid must go.
Rob Ryan
called his DL the “three bullies,” I don’t recall Reid saying that of our LBs…
by ChillBillinChina on Jan 24, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Don't confuse EB with facts
He’s got a narrative to spew, and details can sometimes get in the way of the comedy.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
by D3Keith on Jan 24, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Haha yeah he’s said that before too. His hatred for Reid has blinded him ti retarddom.
I like turtles.
by Bleediots on Jan 24, 2012 10:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I find it hard to accept that a team outright ignores a position
Eagles needed lbs for years now. They have continually ignored it.
C’mon, really? Think back to last year, everybody and their mom felt they had at least two more pressing needs. There was a line around the block for rides on Jamar Chaney’s jock because he had three good games.
Let’s not act like they sit up in the front office and say “meh, linebackers, who needs ’em?”
That just doesn’t seem logical to me, not from anybody who wants to make money, keep their job and win … or any other measure of successfully running a football team.
This makes sense to me:
We don’t devalue that position. Have there been opportunities that maybe haven’t worked out because maybe a player gets picked right before we picked and we’re in negotiation to sign someone and it doesn’t work out? No doubt about that …
there are 31 other teams that you’re competing with.
You can’t have everything you want, and have everything you hope would work out do so.
With the benefit of hindsight, we all look like a bunch of geniuses. But I bet less than 2% of the posts heading into the season thought it would become the shitshow it became. So don’t act like the Eagles willfully sent a dookie team out there while stuffing money in their pockets.
They failed, but it was an honest effort. And one I’ve said all along probably goes more on the coaches and players than the FO, despite the glaring inadequacy at LB/S for much of 2011.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
by D3Keith on Jan 24, 2012 8:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
When has Andy Reid taken a LB in the first round?
And when has he signed a big time free agent LB?
God Damn you, Andy Reid.
The fat queen has failed us again. Reid must go.
When has he taken a running back in the first round?
Or a safety? Or a kicker or return specialist?
Doesn’t mean they don’t want good ones on the team.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
It doesn't mean they don't want good ones.
But it does mean that they’re not really willing to try all that hard to get them.
Reid’s search for linebackers is like the guy who wants to get laid and “tries” by hoping a hot girl trips and falls on his dick.
God Damn you, Andy Reid.
The fat queen has failed us again. Reid must go.
I disagree, D3Keith
usually, I would agree with that statement. But the wide 9 and washburn were already a done deal. I cannot think of ANY eagles fans (except the ones sitting on the eagles payroll) who thought we could scrape by with the level of LB talent that we had.
There were numerous articles about it. “we’re good enough” from the players and “give us a chance” from the personnel office.
We got a 4th, a 6th, and a 7th round LB in the draft, and allowed how many 2010 starters to just up and leave? Addition by subtraction? we designated matthews our Mike without a single snap of the ball…
I can see that nonsense if the kid is a 1st rounder. But at 4th? no competition. no off season. Just “you are the starter!”.
That was a very predictable trainwreck that we all cringed and knew was coming….
by milroyigglesfan on Jan 24, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
That was a very predictable trainwreck that we all cringed and knew was coming….
Yep, lots of comments on here about that. Definitely a head scratcher.
Only thing that I can think of that may have happened is that there were a couple of deals in FA that fell through, leaving us with Matthews as the starter.
Go Eagles!
That's all I'm saying
Why is it so hard to believe that an NFL team has a plan and a fallback plan can’t fully execute them? I find it hard to believe they signed 15 free agents but willfully ignored linebacker.
It seems from Howie’s comments that he saw what we all saw and they’re going to address it. If free agency and the draft go by and they don’t, I’ll be dumbfounded.
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100% bullcrap
I respect your opinion and your right to share it here, but it’s revisionist history.
It was an acknowledged issue, but almost everybody thought we’d be good enough elsewhere to get by with okay linebackers. We all had a freakout after the Steelers mouthpunched us in the preseason game, but the vast majority of us were excited for Chaney, okay with Fokou and hopeful for Mathews.
Given that very few of us saw it going wrong to the degree it did — I’ll give up props to the Dan Klausner article — it’s reasonable to see why the front office also thought we’d be able to get by.
I think we’d all agree it was a perfect storm of young coordinator, unfamiliar team, turnovers and no offense bailing us out late in games that helped contribute to the crapfest at LB, but is still no excuse and we need a talent upgrade.
But for every 10 guys claiming they saw it coming or that “I SED WE SHULD SIGN STEVN TULLOCH!!!!!!!!!” there’s probably one legit post in the BGN archives that actually indicated those sentiments.
I’d love for someone to search a few of them down and contrast them with the other posts in the thread you find them in.
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Were you here this past summer?
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
There was some serious concern about our LB corps. Most of the mock off-season stuff that I saw involved either signing a LB, mostly Tulloch, or drafting a LB early. Once camp was launched in earnest, there were more than a few of us who were concerned about the horseshoe nature of our D and our ability to stop the run and TEs.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
No one seems to want to get a safety. I’m really hoping Jarrett turns out to be a stud, but theres little way of knowing from what we’ve seen. I actually like Coleman a whole lot. It’s not that he’s some sort of all-pro or anything, but he reminds me a whole lot of Mikell before Dawkins left. Great 3rd guy that will eventually be a quality starter. I’m still not sold on Allen, but I like the idea of a Healthy Allen/Jarrett combo. But I can’t bear to see another year of us getting raped over the middle. I think it’s just as much of an issue as LB.
"it's like i tell my ex-wife, i never drive faster than i can see, and besides it's all in the reflexes." -Jack Burton, Big trouble in little China
And it turned out foolish
to let Mikell walk too.
Usually i dont get this deep in hindsight, but we all knew he should be brought back, especially with a young D and a short off-season and we let him walk and suffered for it.
I definitely wanted Mikell back
For a defense full of young guys and new to the team, and one without a real leader coming back, Mikell and/or Bradley would have been helpful.
Mikell got a hella nice deal from the Rams. Stew I think the Eagles weren’t that interested in.
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Yeah thats the problem though
They both said they wanted to return. I just have a hard time coming to grips with losing Bradley, when we were a very good defense with him in the middle. With both of them here this past year you’d have to think we win 1-2 more games at least, run defense was never an issue with Stew in the middle.
Maybe so, but hindsight is 20-20
and Stew 1) Didn’t distinguish himself in Arizona, and 2) Had his issues for us in 2010. Tentative about his knee and crappy in coverage, no?
It’s hard to focus on the ifs … but I definitely agree that with no offseason it would have been nice to plug Mikell in. I wonder if they made an offer at all and four years from the Rams and it being Q’s only career payday, he had to take it.
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Its 20/20
but it was obvious at the time too.
Stew went to a new system with no offseason, he struggled with coverage, but our run D was solid. He would have been gold compared to what we put in there to stop the run, and we could have just taken him off the field. At least he did something well.
I agree Q probably knew he had to cash in, but i think it was a big miss for us.
I agree on Mikell, but not Bradley
You can pull up my old posts, I supported bringing Stew back, but I don’t think either then or now we can definitively say he would have solved our problems.
And it’s a backward-looking argument anyway.
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Mikell would of been stupid to say no to the Rams.
But goddamn if I didn’t have a hard time not re-signing him before i updated my rosters in madden this year. He was my favorite eagle after Dawkins left. A bit of closure. Sad….I know.
"it's like i tell my ex-wife, i never drive faster than i can see, and besides it's all in the reflexes." -Jack Burton, Big trouble in little China
Safety is also a clusterfuck, but a slightly more serviceable one.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
The obvious choice would have been Tulloch… Experience playing behind a Washburn coached DL and fitting a position of need w/ the experienced youth to match.
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by Illadelphia-Braintrust on Jan 24, 2012 8:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Exactly, but everybody else has tunnel vision so I guess we can agree and just laugh at them huh?
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Tulloch was played by his agent.. and it backfired
Eagles targetted Tulloch, and the stories were that we were close to a signing. Detroit wanted him too. I think the agent trumped up the offer from detroit to shake more out of philly and we simply packed up and moved onto NA….
Detroit, now the only one in the running… took the guy for a ridiculously inexpensive one year “trial” contract.
by milroyigglesfan on Jan 24, 2012 8:45 PM EST reply actions
That makes sense
It even makes sense to say the Eagles tried and failed. Because clearly they did.
Maybe I’m just overreacting to the characterization that they “ignore” it. I don’t believe any NFL front office with their however-many employees has no plan at all. But plans with 31 counterplans can’t always pan out.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Maybe I’m just overreacting to the characterization that they "ignore" it. I don’t believe any NFL front office with their however-many employees has no plan at all. But plans with 31 counterplans can’t always pan out.
Well, I think that linebacker has been a position that has not been a high priority through the years, at least you can say that there is a perception of that. Add to that the problems we had in the middle of the defense in 2010, and then we open 2011 with a 4th round rookie starting at MLB. Add all of that up and you have a lot of pissed off Eagles fans.
I think that you are right that the FO made an attempt to do something about it in free agency. And I hope that you are right in saying that it will get addressed this year. We have a full, structured off season this year so I think so.
Go Eagles!
They've definitely tried to find bargains or whiffed on big dogs at LB
But you could also compare their 2nd & 3rd round attempts at LB (Matt McCoy, Stew Bradley & Chris Gocong) and their 2nd & 3rd round attempts at RB (McCoy, Hunt, Westbrook) and just say they’ve been incredibly lucky/more successful with a similar amount of resources.
Nobody complains about how hard they try to get RBs or how much resources they spend there because it works. So the issue isn’t really that they aren’t trying, just that they’re tries have repeatedly failed.
So we’re gonna need them to try a lil harder pleasethankyou
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Purposefully
I thought that was going too far back. But yes, them too.
Also major their/they’re fail in that post.
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Not Impressed
I like to give the benefit of the doubt and will do so when I can.
But I don’t think this sees the gravity of the FO failure to aggressively seek out LB help. Especially in view of the commitment to the Wide-9 approach.
The more we say Luke Keuchley
The less I think we are going to get him. See Knowshon Moreno, Earl Thomas
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by HawaiianGreen on Jan 24, 2012 11:28 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
There’s one of em in every draft, Kuechly is this year’s
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RIP JJ
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by HawaiianGreen on Jan 25, 2012 3:38 AM EST up reply actions
Burfict
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Sarcasm..
Fail.. Burfict will be a stud for years to come. You’ve seen what Willis, Bowman, Navarro, etc…you know good/great LB play. Sign FA LB, draft Burfict and Wagner, and grab Singletary as an Asst. DC to work with Castillo. Wide 9 works, BUT you need athletic, powerful LBs; why not get the best LB coach who shaped Willis, Bowman, and Navarro (SF LB Corp)?
by Lawdhvmercy on Jan 25, 2012 4:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
You should just shut the fuck up.
Anyone here who takes the time to sign in is aware of who plays Linebacker for SF. I don’t care if you get Jack fucking Lambert in here to coach LBs, Give him a shit hand, and that’s what he’ll have to play. Burfict is to Linebackers what Taylor Mays is to Safeties. You fail, sir.
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by snowhill82 on Jan 25, 2012 5:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Bring in Singletary
is still one of the best moves we could make. Our players can be taught the proper technique and style by better coaches.
Position coaches that would upgrade any player we have are WRs, DBs, LBs, and QB (Andy is good but another mind would be great). The players have been slow to develop due mainly to this issue. It has been stated numerous times around this site but is very key to what has happened to us over Andy’s tenure.
by Dr Phil E Fan on Jan 25, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
The number of names on this list
is the easiest way to keep track of how many years you’ve been posting on BGN, lol
Moreno
Thomas
Jimmy Smith
I remember when I really wanted Brandon Pettigrew … for some odd, two-tight end reason. I suppose I could say that I foresaw the Gronk/Hernandez attack, but um, no.
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Considering the options....
that are there, can’t go accordingly to how they have planned it, especially after FA and those taken before us. And there are other routes to go to, in trading up and giving up a couple of picks, trading down and taking few more picks, and trade picks for next year’s draft. Then it comes down to the salary cap, agreements and the signings. We have alot picks, for a team that don’t need to use them all, to fill in some of the most needed areas in defense and spot in a few depth in the offense. We can never know what each draft players commodities are, until pre-season begins, albeit using them all in rotations on every snaps. The hardest of them all is corresponding to breaking down the team into the 53 man roster, releasing players and forming the practice squads. When it’s done and made as the season begin, there can’t be any excuse, henceforth. FO will be the gamble of all the commodities from the coaches down to the players as the team’s organization. And it’s the same with the rest of the 31 teams in the NFL. Because of the limited salary cap and the NFL rules in the 53 man rosters, each team can only hold on to so many players. There’s no “Aw shucks we could’ve kept that player instead”, “Damn, that player ain’t doing anything at all”. There’s no way to know how all of our picks will do in our organization, as well as those who leaves ours for other organizations. At least some of our picks are doing well, no matter whose organizations they’re in. Each organizations are different, some players will adapt just fine and others not so. Each year we praised our team to take every game at top and that is the NFL.
by EaglesHeat on Jan 25, 2012 4:55 AM EST via Android app reply actions
What a load of typical Eagles crap
This organization does nothing but feed us fans bullshit. And most fans are dumb enough to take the bait. What LB were they targeting??? Couldn’t have been from the draft! Only 1 LB got picked in the first, Von Miller, and he was a lock for the top 3 so he was never an option. Then only 2 LB’s went before the Eagles picked in the 2nd, and they were both long gone by the time the Eagles pick rolled around. If you want a guy, man up and go get him instead of stockpiling 5th rounders and getting marginal starters! All this cheap ass owner wants is a few dollars in his pocket, I can’t stand it.
Exhibit A: Inherent distrust of management
Some fans will always believe this no matter what actually comes out of their mouths:
This organization does nothing but feed us fans bullshit. And most fans are dumb enough to take the bait.
When the owner puts his coach on blast and says 8-8 is unacceptable, and the GM says, loosely, I botched the shit out linebacker last year, instead of blowing smoke and saying they did a great job and the team is fine … what more do you want from them?
Of course they lie and pander to fans sometimes. This might be one of those times. But have you ever stopped to consider they might be being honest? Or do you just distrust everything they say? Because if you do, you’re the sheep, not those of us who actually listen to the words before deciding what they mean.
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alot of "couch GM's" out here tonight.
Okay. Riddle me this. Name one GM who has hit on ALL their draft prospects. Just one. Having a hard time? That’s because his name is Duzz N. Exist. I can name a TON of 1st round busts. And that number is equally divided amongst all 32 teams. Nobody is perfect, guys. And our team is showing vast improvement in that area. We went from Reggie Brown and Freddie Mitchell to Desean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin. Relax. The FO knows they fucked up. They even told us that. What, you want the FO to tell the whole world us their entire gameplan for the offseason?
I’m pissed we didn’t even make the postseason. We ALL are. The FO is embarassed. And the pressure is on to ace the draft; no “high motor” nobodies or “project, but talented” bullshit. They must draft proven players,or face a backlash from us that would not be pretty. So just chill, this year up ahead will determine if this organization is ready to finally win it all.
Crush them, my Birds!!! CRUSH THEM!!!!!!!!!
by EagleDomiNation on Jan 25, 2012 9:40 PM EST reply actions

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