Howie Roseman Still Believes In Eagles Core
by JasonB on Jan 24, 2012 4:40 PM EST
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PrintHowie Roseman held court with Eagles reporters down at the Senior Bowl today and, among other things, reflected some past mistakes while still expressing confidence in the Eagles core.
"I think that when you're 8-8 and you're at the Senior Bowl (instead of the Super Bowl), you obviously look back and think that there are things you could have done a different way - draft picks you'd like to have back and some signings you'd like to have back. But when you step back and look at the core of the team, the blend of youth and experience and talent, we have an opportunity to be competitive and be competitive for a long time."
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There's nothing he could've said
that wouldn’t have had us all rolling our eyes. But at least he’s talking, unlike Andy (or Juan, to a lesser extent).
Well, I didn’t exactly expect him to say, “Yea, I completely soiled the sheets when I took Brandon Graham over All-Pros Earl Thomas and Pierre-Paul.” Actually, it’s pretty rare when any of these guys come out and say, “Yea, we blew it.”
I know it’s unfair to write off Graham at this point, but I feel like he’s the second coming of Jerome McDougle. I hope I’m wrong, but it’s how I feel at this point. If Graham turns out to be a very effective situational pass rusher, was it really worth trading up for a situational guy when it seemed like everyone was screaming for them to take Earl Thomas who would have settled your secondary as an every down player?
I’ll admit my confidence is shaken after this past season. I don’t feel so good about Vick as the QB again. No he’s not Rex Grossman, but I don’t see him as the elite QB that you can ride to a Super Bowl.
by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on Jan 24, 2012 5:00 PM EST reply actions
That's why I like Roseman, personally
At least he admits that ‘yeah, we messed some stuff up,’ although as a man in his position he can’t really show too much weakness or name names.
And honestly, we should be confident in our team’s core. We have every bit as much ability to go 9-7, win three playoff games and get to a Super Bowl as the next team.
How you can say this about Vick?
“I don’t see him as the elite QB that you can ride to a Super Bowl.”
The 49ers very nearly rode Alex Smith to a Super Bowl. I mean … if we have been reminded of any NFL truism this season it’s that you just need to get in the playoffs and get hot. I’m more confident that the Eagles are close enough because they’re good enough to get in. After that, there’s no telling what will happen.
There is no such thing as this coach/QB/team can’t win a Super Bowl anymore. The best team doesn’t always win. We don’t need to be No. 1, we need to be one of the 12 and then play well at the right time. That’s all it is. Ever.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
by D3Keith on Jan 24, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The best team doesn’t always win. We don’t need to be No. 1, we need to be one of the 12 and then play well at the right time. That’s all it is. Ever.
Exactly- that’s what I’ve been saying for a while now. The past ten years of playoffs show that.
The Broncos were 1 of 12. So were the Bengals.
Who was laying serious money down on either team to win the SuperBowl?
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 24, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
What does betting on the Bengals have to do with the theory that
The Eagles don’t need to go 15-1 to win it all, they need to get into the playoffs and take it from there. Y’know, like a certain division rival did.
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What I meant was
Every year, a few teams make it into the playoffs that don’t really belong there. See: The Seahawks last year.
Anything can happen once you’re in the playoffs — but anything usually doesn’t happen. Tim Tebow wasn’t going to the Superbowl, despite getting into the playoffs.
In that respect, you do need to be one of the better teams, not just top 12 — because being the 12th best team in the league might get you into the postseason, but this notion of “anything can happen one you get in” leads itself to making a team just good enough to get in.
Instead of gunning to be the team that catches fire, why not gun to be the team that cruises into the playoffs and dominates as the 1st round seed, like the Patriots? Aim low, hit low.
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 25, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Meh
Of course you try to be No. 1. But being No. 1 guarantees you nothing, and being somewhere close to the top spot but outside it doesn’t mean you can’t win a Super Bowl.
Re:
Anything can happen once you’re in the playoffs — but anything usually doesn’t happen.
Well yeah, of course. If anything always happened, then it would no longer be “anything,” it would be the expected thing.
In that respect, you do need to be one of the better teams, not just top 12 — because being the 12th best team in the league might get you into the postseason,
The Giants looked like the 11th or 12th-best team heading into the postseason. They were a more likely candidate to be one-and-done than they were to make a Super Bowl. But a funny thing happened on the way to Indianapolis … anything happened.
Seems like you and I are rehashing a bunch of known things. So here’s one more: As long as teams like the 2005 sixth-seeded Steelers, the 2008 Arizona Cardinals, last year’s Packers and this year’s Giants keep making it to Super Bowls, I’ll continue believing that being just good enough to get into the postseason is okay, and that seizing the opportunity once you’re in is what champions are made of.
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So were the Packers. So were the Saints
Do you mind telling me where those teams are now? Your record can help you get a first round bye or home field advantage, but if you don’t perform well in the playoffs then it doesn’t matter.
by postman856 on Jan 25, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes,
And the Eagles are constantly good enough to get into the playoffs, but not good enough to perform once they’re there. Especially after the weird run of 2008.
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 25, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Saying that something hasn't happened before
is not really a foolproof argument for saying it can’t happen in the future.
Of course the Eagles try to go 16-0 though. Of course you build the best team possible. But going back to the original point … not being No. 1is no reason to panic if you’re one of the 12 and you seize your opportunity.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
I wonder who he's referring to about draft picks / signings
Obviously Steve Smith was a total bust. You can probably throw VY and Ronnie Brown in there too (personally I think Ronnie Brown was a great signing, but because of our utter refusal to use him he looked like a bust).
With draft picks I’m less sure. There’s probably a few guys out there that they were choosing between and could have ended up with a better pick, but with this draft class I wonder if there’s anybody they actually regret picking.
-Watkins
-Jarrett
-Marsh
-Matthews
-Henery
-Lewis
-Vandervelde
-Kelce
-Rolle
-Lloyd
-Havili
Well, at this point I don’t know if they would have any regrets. It is still early.
But… I’m sure he can look around the league at a guy like Navarro Bowman or something that they were in a position to get and didn’t and see some regrets.
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Not only that they were in a position
But I bet there were guys who they liked and deliberated over before going the way they did … and then they turned out great.
No way to know who those guys are, or if they would have had the same success in Philly though, so no point in beating themselves up over it.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Daniel T'eo-Neshiem
Though that was two years ago, and he lasted one whole season in the league.
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 24, 2012 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
T'eo was the first name that came to my mind
for whatever that’s worth
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I don't think I'll ever forget him
For as long as I live. Maybe the worst Eagles pick I’ve ever witnessed (though I wasn’t invested enough to watch the draft until about six years ago).
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 24, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
I actually thought taking Bryan Smith from McNeese State in 2008 was a worse pick.
by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on Jan 25, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Good call,
He may have been worse, talent-wise.
But in my estimation, Daniel Te’o-Neshiem sucked so badly that even his NAME sucked. That makes him an enduring symbol (in my opinion) of Howie Roseman’s awful drafts.
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 25, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Worst pick in my time following the team
Jon Harris, 25th overall.
Most of the 90s drafts were bad linemen though. I have a Leonard Renfro card somewhere.
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Disagree with you there on Matthews. Regret the situation, yes. The pick, no. He played exactly like you would have expected from a rookie 4th rounder with no offseason, actually, maybe better.
by Turd.Ferguson on Jan 24, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
I don’t get the Matthews hate. What do you expect from a rookie 4th rounder?
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by philiafan14364 on Jan 24, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Matthews blew in college, blows now, and will continue to blow. People think he’s magically good because his brother is Clay and it pisses me off.
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Matthews was a 4th round rookie and was actually a decent role player in the nickel D by the end of the year. It has absolutely nothing with him being Clay’s brother. If you told me we drafted a LB named Hugh Jass in the 4th and he was contributing beyond playing ST for the last 6 or so games of the season I would be pretty pleased. The kid was a 4th rounder and performed better than our 2nd and 3rd rounders. Why the hate?
by Turd.Ferguson on Jan 25, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
No matter what, there won’t be wholesale changes with these team going into next season
Then what the fuck did we learn from all this? We’re still the dream team even if we go 8-8, no coaching changes and the current core of players is perfectly alright? All it sounds like now is we shave off our backup QB, the backup WR on injured reserve, our backup defensive end and possibly asante samuel and we’re right back in it?
What do you want to happen?
You know what the core is. What part of it did you think was going to change next year?
And keeping the core hardly means just get a new backup QB and trade Samuel.
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It's not out of the question to point out
that as crappy as we were this there, we were “right in it” given that if any game we lost had been a win, we’d have made the playoffs instead of the team heading to the Super Bowl. We might not have gotten hot like they did, but the point remains.
The other thing one can take away from losing five leads in the fourth quarter is that they were good enough to get ahead in 13 games, so now they need to learn how to finish. We beat the NFC SB rep and lost late to the three NFC playoff teams we played.
Clearly the Eagles have work to do, but by whatever metric you use, there’s a framework of a team in place. IMHO the things they need the most work on aren’t even roster things — team chemistry & leadership, red-zone execution, etc.
“confident in core” to me means no need for a complete tear down. And I think that’s right.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
I don’t play the what if game with this type of stuff, at the end of the day this team went 8-8 and sucked for a large part of the season. Worst turnover differential in the league, it’s no surprise to me that we blew all those leads the stats show it. We can pile on yardage and score when the mood is right but this team was careless and soft. When it was time to go for the kill I had gotten more used to seeing the Eagles defense let up and the offense get careless with the ball. Worst of all it never got solved really things tightened down a little at the end of the season but we still turned the ball over A LOT, whether it’s shit as stupid as that ronnie brown toss or the desean jackson to curtis marsh lateral.
You didn't really say anything untrue
The point is there’s a framework for a good team here, and it’s better than a lot of frameworks around the NFL. Whatever it takes to accentuate that framework and get the players to do the stuff that’s going to make them successful, that’s what needs to happen.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
I didn't expect Roseman to say anything different...
But that’s not to say I disagree with him either. Yeah, 8-8, but apparently the difference between not making the playoffs and getting to the Super Bowl this year is one single win in the regular season by a 9-7 team. The lesson is… just make the playoffs, whatever the means, and start clicking from there.
(man this Giants guy in the thread is annoying btw)
The Giants guy is gone for good.
But yeah, just being in the tournament is obviously a big deal.
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This makes me sad. He made me happy to hate the Giants.
by IwearNumber20 on Jan 24, 2012 6:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree with it. Our players are good at most positions, we clearly need an upgrade at LB and S, but that upgrade might come from experience. We’ll see, but I’m not giving up on this group yet.
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by FloridaEagle on Jan 24, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Talent isn’t an issue at LB and S? No way. That is the biggest issue at both positions. Coleman isn’t an NFL starter. You could argue that none of the LBs who finished the season as starters are either.
I'm pretty sure he was speaking generally
Nobody would argue that talent at LB isn’t an issue.
It’s one that can and should be rectified this offseason though. So I wouldn’t list talent, even at LB and S, as one of the top issues going forward.
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How so? You don’t know if they will really upgrade those positions especially at S. I imagine they will spend a high-draft round pick on a LB this year but I don’t think they are going to do much at S.
I agree that they might not do anything at S
though I suppose if I wanted to play devil’s advocate I’d say they have two second-round talents in place at safety.
Safety is definitely not a strong point, but I don’t think the cupboard is so bare there that the team can’t function. That is the case at LB, and it has to be addressed.
I would not be surprised if they addressed LB in FA and then did their typical BPA with the draft picks.
Going back to the overarching point, talent is not the top issue with the Eagles, IMO. They need to take care of the football, get 7s instead of 3s when in the red zone and play with some emotion and some football IQ, especially on defense.
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get 7s instead of 3s when in the red zone
Overall I’m pretty happy with our receivers but what I think that we really lack is the big receiver that can go up and get the ball in a crowd. We have speedy receivers that cannot do this. That’s great between the 20’s but not so much in the red zone. This is where I think that the Giants receivers are better than ours, they always seem to come down with the jump balls. I think that those receivers are a good part of the reason that Eli gets away with throwing balls up for grabs.
I’d really like to see us get a couple of physical targets at the receiver position this off season.
Go Eagles!
I'd be fine with that, with or without DeSean back
I’m intrigued by Dwayne Bowe, for instance.
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Dwayne Bowe would be beastly
In Eagle green.
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 25, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
a competent backup qb would be nice
vy had his moments but also had some boneheaded moments
Roseman has one last chance
If the Eagles don’t get some immediate dividends from their high-round picks this year and continued to get a lack of producton from Graham/Allen, Roseman will get sh~t-canned.
EAGLES CORE
Take a good look at the NFC East Standings and you will see that as bad as the Eagles played during parts of this past season, we led the NFC East in scoring and our horrible defense has the lowest points allowed as well. We just need to translate that statistic into wins and next season we should dominate.
If Tom Brady hadn't of taken his foot off the gas in the Patriots game,
He probably could of dropped us two or three spots down on that list.
by UnclaimedFright on Jan 24, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
Kind of middle of the road
I don’t see this talented team that is only 1-2 key moves away from winning 12-13 games next year but I also don’t see them as hopeless as some do next year where they can’t do better than 8-8.
No reason they can’t contend for the NFC East & win 10 games next year. The biggest problem though is the health of Vick which besides getting a better backup QB is really largely up to chance on whether he stays healthy.
Agree with this whole-heartedly
On one hand, a lot went bad this year with the slow start, lack of continutity and subsequently confidence, the confusion from all the FA moves and lack of offseason, and of course the turnovers and blown leads. I thought the low points were Arizona and Seattle though, two bounce-back games against meh teams we needed to win to avoid digging the hole too deep (3-6, 4-8).
I lost a lot of confidence in this team’s ability to regroup, beat who they’re supposed to beat, etc. during this season. I don’t think they are going to be one of the NFC’s best teams next year, but I also think in one game against anyone, they have a pretty good shot at winning.
Vick could very likely be someone between the no-turnover guy he was in 2010 and the turnover machine he was in 2011.
On the other hand, despite all the stuff that went wrong and might be corrected by losing Asante and making DeSean happy or replacing him, we still had a schedule where we avoided the Saints, Packers and Lions and most of the good AFC teams, and aside from Vick missing three games and players missing games here and there, we really had zero season-ending injuries to key players.
Can’t count on staying so healthy next year, especially with the AFC North and NFC South in our schedule rotation.
So yeah, 10 wins & a playoff spot would be nice.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
AFC North and NFC South
5 playoff teams from this year right here. Add the Lions and Giants twice and half of our games are against 2011 playoff teams. On the surface next year’s schedule seems tougher than this year’s.
Go Eagles!
5 of those 8 games are home...
Eagles didn’t play well at home this year, but having those games home is still a positive…Giants, Saints, Steelers are away….
Not too worried about the Pitt, NYG, Cin, Atl…games, we’ll atleast split w/ NY…and the Det/Balt games are a home game….Saints away is by far the roughest. It’s a tough schedule, but no reason to think the Eagles can’t win most of them.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jan 24, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
If this year is any indication it is the games against Tampa Bay, Carolina, and Cleveland that should worry us.
Go Eagles!
we play the cardinals again…haha..
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jan 24, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Lol
Dear Lord let’s hope this year is not any indication.
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Yeah, but its so hard to predict what will happen next year. Who would have thought the Niners and Giants would be in the NFC Championship?
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