2012 draft strategy? Anyone up for guessing what we do...
by milroyigglesfan on Jan 23, 2012 7:06 PM EST
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Okay, the lot of the 30 teams no longer engaged in preparing for a football game are now engaged in strategizing for the personnel needs and moves for next year's football season.
Each year we have three directions the eagles could take: What the experts predict (the Kyper's), what the fan sentiments are (the masses), and what Andy/Joe/Howie eventually decide to do (the PEP boys).
So we're already pretty much in the know of what we need skillwise - whether by free agent or draft picks. And we know that we've amassed a venerable warchest of draft picks this year - so much that we can conceivably move up or down to get "our guy" at "our spot".
And the track record so far is that we seldom do what (1) the experts predict or (2) what the fan sentiments are.
The experts expect us to jump on LB or WR with our first pick. The fans are screaming for us to load up at LB. But what are we likely to do?
Do the Eagles package their picks and make a splash in the draft going after an RGIII?
Do the Eagles trade back and load up on latter round draft picks?
Do the Eagles pick in their slot for need?
Do the Eagles pick best talent on the board?
Anyone have an opinion?
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Not to be obvious
But i feel the Eagles have a plan for three scenarios in this draft:
1. Move up to grab a: RG3, Claiborne, Coples or Blackmon.
2. Stay put and take:Kuechly, OT Riley Reiff, Devon Still, Alshon Jeffrey, Michael Floyd, Dre Kirkpatrick, Whitney Mercilus
3. Trade back (but still in the first) and take:Dont’a Hightower, Vontaze Burfict, Kendall Wright, Jerel Worthy,Alfonzo Dennard, Ronnell Lewis,
At this point I feel Kuechly, Michael Floyd, Alshon Jeffrey, Devon Still, Dont’a Hightower are our most likely selections.
ok, the giants suck.
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 4th
That no. 1 is wild.
We have three good corners already. Why draft an outside starter? Coples is another DE. We have our two set starters it seems plus good rotation guys. I’d love Blackmon though or RG3.
Asante Will be traded
Cant play the Slot and we have to see what DRC has on theoutside in his contract year.
-Coples just has that “Potential” that makes you wonder if your team could get the best him.
Plus in Jim washburn’s system you need more than two DE’s (and Babin is on the wrong side of 30 and Graham is on the wrong side of health.) So a Top ranked DE while it would be a little annoying it would be inline with the scheme.
ok, the giants suck.
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 4th
Ryan Leaf had "potential" lol
I mean I’m not sure why but I did type up an explanation to my comment but it never went through. Not sure why that happened, but anyway, lemme break it down:
Babin can still do his thing. Wrong side of 30? He’s 31 lol you haven’t even given him a chance. Julius Peppers is still doing it, he’s 32 granted he had 11 sacks, but so did Trent Cole and Trent Cole is the same age ass 3 of the top 5 2011 season sack leaders. Trent Cole, Jason Babin, Brandon Graham, Phillip Hunt, Daryl Tapp and Juqua Parker all play DE for our team. And we do have more than two DE’s. We have a solid rotation going on, I’m sure we can pass on DE this year. I’m not saying I’m against Coples, I like the guy. I’m just saying it doesn’t make much sense for us to take him in the 1st.
And in regards to the Claiborne pick,
Although it looks like Asante will be traded, you don’t know that for sure. Even then, it would leave us with Nnamdi and DRC on the outside, Hanson/Marsh/Hughes whoever in the slot. Again, not against the pick, I just don’t see it happening and it wouldn’t make much sense to me unless our goal was to go BPA.
I wasnt declaring anything in my post, Milroy said play a guessing game, I did.
But since you posted:
Babin can still do his thing. Wrong side of 30? He’s 31 lol you haven’t even given him a chance.
Never said he was done, only his age has now come into concern. It has too, thats just how it goes in the “Not For Long” League aka the NFL. He just had 18 sacks in a year it would be premature to call for his head but its never too early start looking towrds the youth process once a player is over 30, never. He is a great pass rusher, truly he is but he isnt sound in the run game now coupled with the fact that hes getting older would lend you to believe he will not be getting any better in the run game and infact may start to regress in both areas (pass rush and run support). If BGraham comes to play then DE isnt a major concern, again IF. Also, I know about the Potential word, but that gets players drafted high literally every year in every round, so it bears respecting.
Julius Peppers is still doing it, he’s 32 granted
Ya, lets not compare J. Pep to any player we have on the Dline, he is and always has been a freak of nature, I believe he even ran the ball in college.
Brandon Graham, Phillip Hunt, Daryl Tapp and Juqua Parker all play DE for our team.
I like BGraham, liked him at michigan when that D was terrible also, I hope he pulls his weight. Hunt is a wildcard lets just see what he gives rather than placing a huge expectation on him. Tapp is solid nothing special and Parker will be on another team next year.
And in regards to the Claiborne pick,
Although it looks like Asante will be traded, you don’t know that for sure.
Its almost to the point of Asante HAS TO BE traded, period. He is making too much money next season and DRC is going into his contract year which would probably mean he would leave our team if he was the 3rd corner all year. Nnamdi is what Asante was when we signed him, the new guy so that leaves “Lito Sheppard” out of the mix (probably different contract situations but the “not enough room for all of us” still remains). Nnamdi Drc and Marsh should be the starters going into next year with Hughes or Lindley as 4th CB, getting Claiborne would be BPA but it could work better than what we had this year since Claiborne could play the Slot or play a Saftey type positions (no i dont think he could be a full time saftey, only do what Sheldon did at imes)
ok, the giants suck.
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 4th
Wait so because you think Julius Peppers is a freak of nature
he can’t be used in comparison? Also, sure, Babin’s age comes into question but you’re putting Peppers on a pedestal because he’s a “freak of nature” Peppers has never once had a season like Babin’s 2011 season. I’m not disagreeing with you that Babin is up there in age, obviously he is, but he’s performing above and beyond what you’d expect from a 31 year old defensive end. I’m saying barring injury, we can wait for next season to pick up a stud DE IF that.
And no, Nnamdi and Asante are two TOTALLY different corners lol
Nnamdi is a press, man to man corner. Asante is an off-man gambler of a corner. I like both of them and they’re both very good when the coaches have them play to their strengths but to say Nnamdi is what Asante WAS when we signed him is not true. I see our CB’s as Nnamdi and DRC outside, Hanson and Marsh in nickle/dime packages. It’d be a waste to play a guy like Claiborne in the slot. He’s not the athlete that Patrick Peterson is so he wouldn’t mold well into the slot IMO.
Yes because Peppers is a freak of nature you have to evaluate him differently, whats so strange about that? Unless you think Desean, Jeremy, or Jason should be evaluated on the same level as Jerry Rice, C.Carter, Randy Moss? Some players are GREAT players and should be looked at as such, Barry Sanders was looked at differently than other RB’s. Peppers is going into the HOF when he chooses to stop playing, he is on a different level interms of what we expect from him. In my prior post I wasn’t saying we NEED Coples but he is the best DE (or one of them) in this upcoming draft and since we run the Wide 9 we need DE’s, so why wouldnt the best DE in the draft be on our boards? They plan for every scenario in this draft gettin Coples is merely one of the many possibilites that will exist.
I wasn’t comparing their playing styles (anyone with eyes can see that haha) it’s the situation that is simular. Asante came into philly an shortly after the trade rumors for Lito sheppard went thru the roof, I know you remember that? Which is the case this year an Asante is going to haved to be moved. Either way we are going to be paying DRC at the end of nexxt season, so you would want 3 corners on your roster to be getting paid about 9 mil each? How are we going to give DRC starting CB money after next year when he was only the 3rd CB all year, easy, we won’t unless he plays starting corner all year. We have seen it all too often with this current Eagles FO and Asante didn’t help his claim when he called out Eagles brass either (whether right or wrong).
ok, the giants suck.
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 4th
Claiborne's an amazing CB.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
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I would love to get RG3 but I don't think it'll happen.. But I could see us swinging a trade for Blackmon, that kids special.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Whoever wins the most outstanding player award at the senior bowl regardless of position
by CrazyBoutTheGreen on Jan 23, 2012 8:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Andy's job is on the line
I don’t think Andy will risk his last opportunity of keeping his job this year. Look for him to do either a lot of trading for more draft picks and or drafting keluchly or burcifit and using the FA for a veteran LB for mentorship. Our current lbs will be used as backups and insurance next year. Djax will be resigned at a lower than expected price and we go from there.
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I don’t think Reid’s job is in as much danger as everyone thinks. I think Lurie’s press conference was more bluster for the benefit of the fans than any real pressure. If Lurie was really so mad and the season was so unacceptable, then where were the changes? The defensive backs coach? 10-6 and a playoff appearance and I bet Reid is back.
I say they take WR Kendall Wright, if he’s available. If not, they trade back for more picks and go nuts in the second round.
by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on Jan 24, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
Taking Wright would make our fast O even faster... It'd be scary.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
I agree re: Pressure on Reid, Baron
Surprised more people don’t see it this way:
I don’t think Reid’s job is in as much danger as everyone thinks. I think Lurie’s press conference was more bluster for the benefit of the fans than any real pressure.
Even if it wasn’t pure bluster, I don’t think Reid necessarily has to win the Super Bowl to keep his job. But since he’s going to we’ll never know.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Draft a DT or CB really high
It wouldn’t surprise if they spend their 1st round or their first 2nd round pick on a DT or CB to upgrade the defense either especially if Samuel is traded.
i doubt it for both
We have marsh, drc, Na, and Hansen. There is no need to get a Cb anywhere near the 1st rd, as for our dt’s, we are good with laws, Jenkins, Dixon, Patterson and then some. Why would andy blow these much needed draft picks on positions that we are good on?
SSG Dave "larsonprojects" Evans
3rd Brigade Combat Team
4th Infantry Division
US Army
Fort Carson, CO
by larsonprojects on Jan 23, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
we have landri too
claude giroux and shady mccoy. the future
by griffeagles on Jan 23, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
If Foles is somehow still around when we pick in the 2nd
I’d be all for taking him
The Eagles have historically favored
DL’s with their 1st pick (after #5 was taken in 99):
~ DTs were Simon @ 6 in 2000, Patterson @ 31 in 2005 & Bunkley @ 14 in 2006.
~ DEs were McDougle @ 15 in 2003 and Graham @ 13 in 2010.
OL and WR are tied for second with Andrews @ 16 in 2004 and Watkins @ 21 in 2011 and FredEx @ 25 in 2001 (big mistake) and The Mac @ 19 in 2009 (big winner, by the way thanks OAK, how is that Hey Bay pick working out for you?).
The other 1st rounder is CB with Toast-Lito @ 26 in 2002.
These positions would also be the same ones that we tend to spend big money on in FA or trade for; Kearse, TO, NA, Runyan, Peters (via trade) {Note- It is taking longer than 6 seconds for me to find a comprehensive list of FA signings and trades during Mr. Piggy’s reign, so I am going to end the list there but I really feel like they focus on these 4 positions. Feel free to add to it in replies.}
So, that would lead me, an ignant fan who don’t know nothing, to believe that our top pick will be spent on DL, WR, CB or OL (and in that order).
We need LB help the same way homeless people need just about anything of value. However, Mr Piggy and the FO piglets have always felt like they are smarter than the rest of the pigpen and can get LBs later in the draft. And this year will be no different, I just honestly don’t think he will draft one with our 1st this year (or either of our 2nds for that matter), regardless of if the BC white boy is there or Zack Brown (my preference) or Hightower or any random Tweener with a high moter who overperforms at some random senior bowl this year. The truth is that Mr Piggy is as stubborn as he is …. husky, which means that our LB help will not come before the 3rd round, at the earliest.
What is the Eagles draft philosophy under Reid?
do you typically go BPA, or do you go for needs?
by The Cole Train on Jan 24, 2012 11:38 AM EST reply actions
One could say they go BPA
the thing is who’s BPA? Last year Reid said Watkins was his BPA and he might of considered trading up to grab him, the year before Brandon Graham was his BPA and he did trade up to grab him. We cant forget grabbing Maclin strictly on the fact he was their BPA. So the Eagles do go off BPA but they have their own determinations on who is the BPA, which sometimes is different from who the fans have as BPA.
ok, the giants suck.
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 4th
Exactly.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
I think they honestly go after the top ranked talent on their board til it's their Pick then they make a decision.
Think about it, Maclin slipped to #19, we traded up and grabbed him, there’s no doubt at that time he was the top talent on our Board and the stars aligned and we were able to jump up a few spots.
See Brandon Graham also…
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Pretty much
Roseman said as much to Roob:
"Hitting on any draft pick is a 50-50 proposition in the first round and that number goes down in each round. If you try to limit who you’re drafting to a certain number of positions, you’re hurting your odds even more. You have to be careful. If you come out of a draft saying, ‘We filled all our needs,’ you probably didn’t have a very good draft."
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Exactly.
I’d honestly rather us go BPA unless the guy at a position of need is just slightly below the BPA we have on our board.
Make sense?
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Yes, makes plenty of sense
My hope is they sign at least an MLB or SLB in FA so they can go BPA on draft day.
That’s a lot of letters.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
If the Eagles opt to sign a MLB in free agency and bring back DeSean, I could definitely see them trading back. The Browns have that second 1st at 22, maybe they draft RGIII at 4 and want a weapon for him. The top WR options would probably be gone by the 22nd, but a Floyd or Jeffrey could be there at 15. Maybe they trade us 22 + 36 for 15?
I'll give you a cookie if you know what my pic is from.
I can honestly see us trying to move up for RGIII or Blackmon,
and I think our relationship with Heckert helps us out a little bit…
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Reid is gonna panic He is going to sign DeSean back and draft 2 lbs in the 1st round regardless of whether they fit the scheme or not. He is going to give up one of the Eagles 2nd and 3rd round picks to the Emperor Bill Belichick for the Patriots 27th pick
- Either (Keuchly and Burfict) or (Hightower and Burfict) or (Burfict and Brown)
Because Reid is going to think he is appeasing Eagles fans by drafting a guy who is" going to strike fear into opposing teams". It s dumb I know but I wouldn’t be surprised if the Eagles moved back into the first to get him even though he is going to be there in the second round
by NJEaglesFan on Jan 24, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
"It s dumb I know but I wouldn’t be surprised"
This could apply in so many ways to following the Eagles.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
This wont happen, there are other needs and QB is not one of them THIS year. The Browns are going to get RGIII and the Eagles are going either going to draft a QB in the late rounds or trade a draft pick for McCoy
by NJEaglesFan on Jan 25, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
If you come out of a draft saying, ‘We filled all our needs,’ you probably didn’t have a very good draft."
If we come out of this draft, and did NOT address our needs at LB…
we had the shi.tt.iest draft of all time.
by milroyigglesfan on Jan 26, 2012 5:57 PM EST reply actions
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