The Linc - Didn't #HireSpags
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I really do wonder if Andy’s situation worked against Spags coming here. Steve could worried that if things didn’t work well in 2012, Andy could be fired and that would mean another job search. By going to the Saints, Spags is joining a very stable situation. He’s got arguably the top coach in the NFC in Sean Payton. He’s got arguably the top QB in the NFC in Drew Brees. The offense is loaded. From that standpoint, I don’t blame Spags one bit for wanting to join the Saints.
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guess we're stuck with juan
Why put the 4th dc in over 5 years? Might as well give him one more year with Andy and see where it goes. Maybe he was improving and getting more comfortable calling plays. The players seem to be behind him more now than they did early on. A solid LB and improved saftey play and we might not be too disappointed in the end result.
I don’t care how much of a supporter you are of Juan (for whatever reasons), this was VERY depressing news. This means we didn’t get Spags and more than likely will retain Castillo. No matter what people tell me, those 4 games in weeks 14-17 was not impressive by any stretch. And if that is the reason we are keeping him, this front office is completely ignorant and no matter what will stay with the status quo. Why is this organization so afraid of change?
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Mehh
Not that excited one way or another.
Spags coached defenses DVOA Ranking:
2011: 22
2010: 20
2009: 31
2008: 8
2007: 14
JC coached defenses in DVOA ranking:
2011: 12
Total top 15 ranked Defenses: JC 1 in 1 years, SS, 2 in 5 years.
Total top 10 ranked: JC 0 in 1 year, SS 1 in 5 years
Total Top 5 Defenses: JC 0 in 1 year, SS in 5 years
Total bottom 15 defenses: JC 0 in 1 year, SS 3 in 5 years.
That’s not a resume which jumps out at you with “SUPER-GENIUS DC ALERT!!!!!!!!!” to me. It’s not like we tried to get LeBeau and came up short, we tried to get a guy with some success when he had great players to replace another guy with some success with great players. I don’t care much one way or another.
"Difficulties strengthen the mind, as labor does the body."
― Seneca
Hahaha. Oh god.
Hey buddy, DVOA isn’t the end-all-be-all of stats. Do you know how the calculate DVOA? Do you even know what it is? DVOA is a statistic and you’re using it as your argument instead of as a supporting detail, which is stupid. Some things just aren’t DVOA-able.
First Problem: Small sample size much? Comparing one year of Juan to five years of Spags isn’t exactly a fair comparison. As a matter of fact, it is completely fucking retarded.
Second Problem: Spags did not call plays in St. Louis for the defense.
Third Problem:
You see that ring on Spags’ finger? Yeah. In his two years as a defensive coordinator (his only relevant track record as it pertains to a defensive coordinator position), he had two top 10 yardage defenses (one top 5), a superbowl ring that he earned by shutting down one of the best offenses of all time and one top 5 scoring defense.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 8:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ah, the ole Rings are the end all be all argument
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 20, 2012 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
Did you not see all the words?
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"Stats are for fantasy and losers. Winning is an attitude."
We can only compare the data we have. That’s not a good argument.
Yeah, because Trent Dilfer has a ring, it means he’s a great QB.
When did Trent Dilfer ever have a top 5 QB season? I can tell you when Spags had a top 5 defense.
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Well, the issue with your sample size thing is
Juan’s sample size is smaller, but IT IS GOOD.
You’re talking about getting rid of a guy who HAS BEEN GOOD 100% OF THE TIME. Small sample size or no.
Nope.
Look at the personnel the Eagles had on defense, though. Should that really have been a #12 defense? Weren’t we expecting top 5 or at least top 10 from them?
I wasnt
There is no way to expect that defense to be top 5. Casey Matthews was the starting MLB. I was hoping the safeties would have been better, but their was a very obvious spot to attack that D in the dead center of the field. With the short off-season, and little tape to use to study the eagles, every OC was going to stay away from the outside edges of the D… which is where a ton of money went. The line was re-tooled well, but it also invited teams to attack with runs at the edge. The early part of the year was no surprise to take some bad beats.
The defense did adjust to the runs by pinching the ends in whenever a TE lined up tight, and that protected the LBs from runners somewhat, and added to the improvement. Casey didnt learn as fast as hoped, and he was pulled out into a rookie learning position, and that also helped out.
The offseason acquisitions invited a style of attack, and when it was found to be successful then we got beat because the talent on some spots was not NFL caliber, and didnt improve as fast as needed. This offseason some real corrections can be made, and if the right ones are in place ( Keulchy) then we can expect top 5.
Juan will have no excuses this time, but last season was a failure of Andy as he needs to do a better job at putting his coaches in a position to succeed.
I'm not
convinced Spags is that great. Sorry one year with a veteran team, that had ONE of the best DLine’s in a very very long time doesn’t make you great. Great to me would be being able to do it over and over and over again.
At least one more year of Andy and Juan. If they don't win it all they both better be gone!
No way Eagles draft a LB in the first round 2012.
We will see if Spags was in the right place at the right time in the Gmens SB run. Or was that the fluke year and he really is just mediocre.
by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 20, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree its depressing news. Change for change sake (especially when the defense came together and did their job at the end) isn’t good. And it also ignores the fact that the offense and ST also had a lot to do with those 8 losses.
This organization is clearly not afraid of change.
I do not believe that Reid and whoever is advising him would decide to retain Castillo because of the last 4 games. While some people mentioned on TV, radio and the internet are no more skilled in their professions than the average 12 year old, Reid is.
I hate Andy. I hate Juan. I hate Lurie. I hope they all go play in traffic. Words can’t even express how much I hate them. I hope Andy and Juan get shitcanned in the worst possible way and never get hired again next year. I’m beyond unreasonable about this. Fuck you Andy, go choke on a cheese steak. And that “fire in his belly” that Lurie was talking about was likely just about the hot wings that Fat Andy just downed (h/t BKing). Screw everything. I hate everything.
The god damn Giants are in the NFC Championship game. Teams are making moves all over. Spags is on the market. A big conference road-block ends up with Spags. I hate life. And Andy, fucking Andy, after an abortion of a season takes a vacation to the Carribean for a week and we probably missed out on Spags because of it. And if Andy never even called Spags, well then Andy deserves to be fired. Keeping Juan Castillo? Let me go barf my guts out. We missed on this one, big time and it’s all thanks to Andy.
Oh and I’ve got a nice little title for next year: Great Mehxpectations. I hope everyone here is ready for a mediocre year that either leads to us not making the playoffs or barely getting in and getting beaten by a real team.
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I think you are blinded by rage rigth now. Who says that AR and Spags havnt talked? Who say that because AR is in danger of not been here next year, Spags want the more safe place NO? To think AR vacation had anything to do with the situation is just trying to blame AR for everything. Is it really that hard to think that Spags never wanted to come here?
by Anders Jensen on Jan 20, 2012 8:04 AM EST up reply actions
Agree
Assuming the the Eagles also offered me a job, if I were Spags I would take the Saints job. Several reasons:
1) Head coach is in a more stable position.
2) Saints are more of a Super Bowl contender than the Eagles right now.
3) It’s something different. He gets exposed to the inner works of a different organization. He’s already very familiar with how the Eagles operate. More opportunity to learn different ways of doing things.
4) Risk / Reward. It’s more of a challenge because I think that he will have less talent on D than he would with the Eagles. But considering the offense that the Saints have, if Spags can even make the defense just “good”, they’ll be a serious threat to go all of the way. If that happens Spags will get lots of credit.
If you look at it that way it’s really hard to envision the Eagles getting Spags even if they did push hard to get him.
Go Eagles!
by MRPH on Jan 20, 2012 8:15 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
agreed!!!!!!!!!!!
At least one more year of Andy and Juan. If they don't win it all they both better be gone!
No way Eagles draft a LB in the first round 2012.
We will see if Spags was in the right place at the right time in the Gmens SB run. Or was that the fluke year and he really is just mediocre.
by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 20, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Who says that Spags didn’t want to come here? That just sounds like an excuse so that people can rationalize not getting Spags.
Andy was on vacation, he came back to the office on Monday. Monday. Don’t you remember hearing about all the teams that wanted Spags? They all made their pursuit of him very clear, meanwhile Andy was on vacation. On Monday (the day Andy went back to work), Spags was already meeting with the Colts and on the same day, he had already had a meeting with New Orleans in place on Wednesday. You don’t think that coming back to work and trying to court Spags after he had already had the chance to talk with other teams hindered the Eagles ability to get him? Thats stupid.
But lets pretend the Eagles didn’t even contact him, that is completely negligent and it just confirms that Andy Reid is okay with the status quo. How are you going to keep the guy whose defense choked away 3 double digit leads in the 4th quarter (Atlanta, SF, Chi)? How are you going to keep the guy whose defense made zero stops of any good players? How are you going to keep the guy whose defense might as well have not even shown up against the one great offense they faced? How are you going to keep the guy whose defense criminally underachieved? How are you going to keep the guy who completely mismanaged the linebacker and safety situations? Juan is the guy who started Casey Matthews and Jarrad Page to start the year, massive mistake on his part. Are you going to keep him because he whooped some cupcakes? We were bottom 1/3 of the NFL in almost every single statistical category before we faced the Dolphins, Jets, Cowboys (with Stephen f’n McGee QBing their team) and Redskins. Are we going to keep Juan Castillo because of 4 games? 4 games that our owner, Jeff Lurie, called “fool’s gold”? The damn owner came out and essentially said the last 4 games don’t mean shit but apparently they did to Andy.
I would have loved to get Spags but I don’t even care about him at this point, I just want to see Juan Castillo dragged over the coles and thrown under the bus. I want his head on a stake outside Nova Care. I want him GONE. And any scenario that leads to the Eagles bringing back Juan is a massive mistake in judgment. Fire his ass, it is what he deserves for this awful season. We need a new defensive coordinator. Juan is trash. Hire someone new, anything less is a mistake and a mistake that I hope Andy Reid gets fired for next year.
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getting
mad over assumptions makes you look stupid as hell. maybe he didn’t wanna come here that’s no fault of Andy’s but your acting like it is
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by Udalango on Jan 20, 2012 8:46 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I’m not even mad about Spags. I’m mad about Andy going on vacation and never even making an effort to contact him (per Jeff McClane). That means Spags never even had a chance to not be interested in Philly. THAT is stupidity. THAT is a mistake. THAT is a vote in favor of the status quo.
And again, had Andy wanted to talk with Spags he would’ve had to wait until after he met with Indianapolis and New Orleans (at least those two, who knows what teams he had lined up after those two meeings) because he was on vacation.
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And let’s pretend that you’re right and Spags simply didn’t want to coach in Philly, what does that say about our team? Spags knew what was here, he was familiar with the team and yet he turned his cheek and left in favor of the New Orleans Saints. What does that say? Certainly nothing positive. It means Andy swung and missed on defensive coordinator for two years running. It means that once again we’re stuck with “Plan Z” as our defensive coordinator.
How does that make this look any better?
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or maybe he just wanted a change of scenery
you’re so negative
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by Udalango on Jan 20, 2012 9:48 AM EST via Android app up reply actions 2 recs
ummm or maybe we never were looking for a new d-coor....
God man you are really flying off the handle bars.
by VRFC8 on Jan 20, 2012 9:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh, we're not?
Negligence because Juan Castillo is not fit to coordinate a defense for a team that has it’s sights set on a superbowl title. A vote for the status quo that Jeff Lurie slammed.
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wow how old are you?
You are like my 3 yr old….do you want a lollypop? Your OPINION is just that an opinion. Until you start getting paid for it, its value is nothing. So stop jumping on people who have different ones than yours.
by VRFC8 on Jan 20, 2012 10:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Okay
Try and put this in a positive light.
GO.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
i dont have to try and put anything in any light
It is what it is and sometimes consistency leads to improvement. We are a young team with new players. We need time. I know patience…a concept you clearly don’t grasp.
by VRFC8 on Jan 20, 2012 10:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Consistency leads to improvement?
Tell that to the Bengals and Jaguars. And this guy.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Those are synonyms.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
And the young players on this team aren’t even talented. Do you really want to wait and see how the scrub late round picks develop? Woo, excitement! All our good players (with the exception of McCoy and Maclin) are late twenties, early thirties.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Umm.....
- Andy wasn’t all that interested in Spags?
- He thinks he had one good year and isn’t that big of an upgrade?
- Spags had told Andy(phones are everywhere) while on vacation he was pursuing other options?
- Andy has a master plan only God knows bc God came to him in a dream cloaked as a burning cherry pie bush and told Andy to stick with Juan?
- Andy enjoys torturing DeSean Jackson and anyone who likes him?
They’re not winning a SB with Vick so what’s it matter?
At least one more year of Andy and Juan. If they don't win it all they both better be gone!
No way Eagles draft a LB in the first round 2012.
We will see if Spags was in the right place at the right time in the Gmens SB run. Or was that the fluke year and he really is just mediocre.
by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 20, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
All of which I’ve already talked about. With the exception of the burning cherry pie bush.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
I can tell you're
grrrrring right now bro. I was trying to lighten the mood. We’re not Pittsburgh or New England but they’ve done a decent job at being relevant for a lonnnnnng time. I wanted Andy gone for a while too. But I realized with this team, HE is the best coach. If we are lucky and get a good match up in the PO’s next year we can make a run at.
At least one more year of Andy and Juan. If they don't win it all they both better be gone!
No way Eagles draft a LB in the first round 2012.
by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 20, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
if not fire Andy after this season
trade Vick and start all over.
At least one more year of Andy and Juan. If they don't win it all they both better be gone!
No way Eagles draft a LB in the first round 2012.
We will see if Spags was in the right place at the right time in the Gmens SB run. Or was that the fluke year and he really is just mediocre.
by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 20, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Who says that Spags didn’t want to come here?
Who says he wanted to? The point that people are arguing is that we don’t know whether he wanted to. It takes two to come to an agreement. Solely blaming the Eagles for him not coming here doesn’t make any sense when we don’t know the facts.
I’m not sold on Juan either but simply scapegoating him out of here won’t solve all of the problems.
Go Eagles!
Andy never even contacted Spags. Spags never had the chance to not want to come here. Negligence at it’s finest. JUAN MORE YEAR.
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Look up, McLane tweeted it. You cannot twist this anyway, it makes the Eagles look bad anyway you look at it.
Eagles never contacted Spags: Negligence.
Spags was interested but the Eagles were late to the party because of Reid’s vacation: Negligence
Spags wasn’t interested in the Eagles: Andy swings and misses again and Spags doesn’t want to touch the Eagles organization.
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He tweeted
That no one has told anyone that they were interested, that doesn’t mean they weren’t interested. Does McLane know everyone in the Novacare Complex? Does he have the whole building wired? Andy could have had a 3 hour conversation with Spags while on vacation for all we know
And let’s pretend that you’re right and Spags simply didn’t want to coach in Philly, what does that say about our team? Spags knew what was here, he was familiar with the team and yet he turned his cheek and left in favor of the New Orleans Saints. What does that say? Certainly nothing positive. It means Andy swung and missed on defensive coordinator for two years running. It means that once again we’re stuck with "Plan Z" as our defensive coordinator.
Juan more year! Woo! Great mehxpectations!
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Last week
It was that Spags was definitely joining the staff, this week it’s he was never even called. I wish this fan base could look at itself in the mirror sometimes and admit… “we make no sense.”
It’s the reporters not us.
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We should know better than to base expectations on what we read from reporters, for better or worse. You’ve got to take it all with a grain of salt. And that story last week was flawed from the moment it hit – it didn’t require after the fact clarification, it just required some upfront reading to see that in fact him “being in Philly” didn’t mean anything.
by EagleinDC on Jan 20, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yep
One thing that I have learned from following the Eagles under Reid is don’t believe anything until it becomes official. In fact, all of those “Spags is coming here” articles that I read made me think that it was not going to happen.
Go Eagles!
What the hell are we supposed to think? One week we’ve got every national reporter and their mother writing that we’re getting Spags and the next we’ve got the local writers saying that he was never even contacted. Thats not our fault.
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or we never were getting a new dc....
Geez how do u all not see that?!?!?!
by VRFC8 on Jan 20, 2012 9:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
HOW DOES THAT MAKE THIS LOOK ANY BETTER?
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
i dont care how "it looks"
I thought we needed a status quo offseason to see what we have and Juan was not the problem this yr. It was a team effort.
by VRFC8 on Jan 20, 2012 10:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Juan wasn’t the problem this year?
How are you going to keep the guy whose defense choked away 3 double digit leads in the 4th quarter (Atlanta, SF, Chi)? How are you going to keep the guy whose defense made zero stops of any good players? How are you going to keep the guy whose defense might as well have not even shown up against the one great offense they faced? How are you going to keep the guy whose defense criminally underachieved? How are you going to keep the guy who completely mismanaged the linebacker and safety situations? Juan is the guy who started Casey Matthews and Jarrad Page to start the year, massive mistake on his part. Are you going to keep him because he whooped some cupcakes? We were bottom 1/3 of the NFL in almost every single statistical category before we faced the Dolphins, Jets, Cowboys (with Stephen f’n McGee QBing their team) and Redskins. Are we going to keep Juan Castillo because of 4 games? 4 games that our owner, Jeff Lurie, called "fool’s gold"?
Juan was one giant ass problem.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Le sigh.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
When you’re up by double digits in the 4th quarter and you lose, that is on the defense.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
you’ll never win against d-jackfan so why even try? He’s a brick wall (but less intelligent) that goes around quoting reporters and bloggers because he’s not smart enough to form his own opinion.
For example, how can someone really be silly enough to quote:
How are you going to keep the guy whose defense made zero stops of any good players?
When Juan’s defence stopped the same giants offence that destroyed the packers in green bay last week?
And that’s just one example of the many silly things d-jackfan will post on a given day. Moral of the story? Stop beating your head against the wall, folks. The only thing you come away with is a concussion
by jimb0z on Jan 20, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
So because someone tweeted it, it’s true. OK.
Look, I’m not enamored with Castillo either. In fact I’m not necessarily enamored with Reid when it comes to making the personnel decisions. I’m more worried about free agency and the draft than replacing our DC.
Go Eagles!
Since apparently everybody loves to keep making the same comment over and over again. You think “Spags wasn’t interested”, well okay. I’ll just keep re-posting this until people start responding to this instead of rehashing the same argument over and over.
And let’s pretend that you’re right and Spags simply didn’t want to coach in Philly, what does that say about our team? Spags knew what was here, he was familiar with the team and yet he turned his cheek and left in favor of the New Orleans Saints. What does that say? Certainly nothing positive. It means Andy swung and missed on defensive coordinator for two years running. It means that once again we’re stuck with “Plan Z” as our defensive coordinator.
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It says that there is uncertainly around the Eagles. Maybe he just wanted something different. That’s what your buddy McLane said.
Well how the hell does that make you feel any better? That a guy who knows Andy Reid and has straight up said that he liked working with Andy and is indebted to him just turned his back on Andy and the Eagles because of “uncertainty”. How does that make anyone feel any better?
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http://mcnabborkolb.com/post/16170527242/steve-spagnuolo-and-a-franchise-on-the-decline
Regardless of playoff results, Lurie was right when he said that the true class of the NFC is represented by the Packers and Saints. Everyone else is playing catch up. And on a day when the best defensive coordinator on the market picked the Saints instead of the Eagles, Reid’s team looks like it’s only losing ground.
Let’s be clear. Regardless of the length or seriousness of the talks between him and the Eagles front office, Spagnuolo knew what he’d be getting into in Philadelphia. He knows Reid, the front office, the situation on defense, probably better than he did the Saints job or any other. The fact that he avoided returning to Philly doesn’t bode well for the Eagles organizational health.
I would say that Spagnuolo’s preference to stay away represents a certain canary-in-the-coal-mine warning, but we already had that last year when the Reid fell back to Juan "Plan H" Castillo.
We’re screwed.
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.....or WE NEVER WERE INTERESTED!!!!!!
try to wrap your mind around that!!!!!!!
by VRFC8 on Jan 20, 2012 10:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That is a mistake.
But lets pretend the Eagles didn’t even contact him, that is completely negligent and it just confirms that Andy Reid is okay with the status quo. How are you going to keep the guy whose defense choked away 3 double digit leads in the 4th quarter (Atlanta, SF, Chi)? How are you going to keep the guy whose defense made zero stops of any good players? How are you going to keep the guy whose defense might as well have not even shown up against the one great offense they faced? How are you going to keep the guy whose defense criminally underachieved? How are you going to keep the guy who completely mismanaged the linebacker and safety situations? Juan is the guy who started Casey Matthews and Jarrad Page to start the year, massive mistake on his part. Are you going to keep him because he whooped some cupcakes? We were bottom 1/3 of the NFL in almost every single statistical category before we faced the Dolphins, Jets, Cowboys (with Stephen f’n McGee QBing their team) and Redskins. Are we going to keep Juan Castillo because of 4 games? 4 games that our owner, Jeff Lurie, called “fool’s gold”? The damn owner came out and essentially said the last 4 games don’t mean shit but apparently they did to Andy.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
“The true class of the NFC is represented by the Packers and Saints”
Where are the Packers and Saints playing this weekend?
If we had been the Packers and Saints this year, and we were in their exact same position right now (i.e., watching the NFCCG at home), what would you be saying about Andy? About Lurie? About the FO as a whole?
Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
Oh please, they’ve got the last two superbowls. Can it.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I did not say that I thought that Spags was not interested. I said that I didn’t know if he was interested. I also said that I don’t know if the Eagles contacted him (sorry, I need more than a Tweet to believe it).
For the reasons above I cannot come to the conclusion that the FO dropped the ball on this one. That’s all.
Go Eagles!
So you have no opinion? Why do you think Spags isn’t coming to the Eagles?
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because we never asked him to!!!!!
by VRFC8 on Jan 20, 2012 10:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
WELL THAT IS JUST FANTASTIC!
But lets pretend the Eagles didn’t even contact him, that is completely negligent and it just confirms that Andy Reid is okay with the status quo. How are you going to keep the guy whose defense choked away 3 double digit leads in the 4th quarter (Atlanta, SF, Chi)? How are you going to keep the guy whose defense made zero stops of any good players? How are you going to keep the guy whose defense might as well have not even shown up against the one great offense they faced? How are you going to keep the guy whose defense criminally underachieved? How are you going to keep the guy who completely mismanaged the linebacker and safety situations? Juan is the guy who started Casey Matthews and Jarrad Page to start the year, massive mistake on his part. Are you going to keep him because he whooped some cupcakes? We were bottom 1/3 of the NFL in almost every single statistical category before we faced the Dolphins, Jets, Cowboys (with Stephen f’n McGee QBing their team) and Redskins. Are we going to keep Juan Castillo because of 4 games? 4 games that our owner, Jeff Lurie, called "fool’s gold"? The damn owner came out and essentially said the last 4 games don’t mean shit but apparently they did to Andy.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
How many times are you going to post the same junk? It was wrong the first time and its still wrong now.
No it isn’t. I’ll stop posting it when people stop posting the same shit that can be answered by something I already said.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Neither of which are exactly ringing endorsements for the Eagles and Andy Reid.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Right
But they also do not reflect the doom and gloom picture that you are painting.
The bottom line is that at the end of next year Reid will be evaluated on the whole year. His choice of DC and how that goes will be part of it. Quite honestly we don’t know how Castillo will do with a whole off season. As I said before, I think that free agency and the draft are more critical than scapegoating Castillo out of here.
Go Eagles!
how is swinging and missing
so negative. it means Andy didn’t "vote for the status qou " you are spinning it negative.
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by Udalango on Jan 20, 2012 9:51 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
You’re confusing my arguments now.
If Andy didn’t contact Spags: Vote for the status quo.
If Andy did contact Spags: Swing and miss.
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OK why is swing and miss so bad
it was a clear question answer the shit
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by Udalango on Jan 20, 2012 9:59 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
How is swinging and missing so negative?
Because it is indicative of just how bad the organization is right now, having coaches refuse to touch us for the second year running is bad.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
are you fuckin professor X
you don’t know why spags. would have refused stop assuming shit and getting mad it’s fuckin stupid. are you stupid? do I need to change my opinion of you
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by Udalango on Jan 20, 2012 10:05 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
There is no reason why Spags declined to come to the Eagles that is good for the Eagles.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
it gets cold in Philly
I like the food in new Orleans.
stop being a dumbass
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by Udalango on Jan 20, 2012 10:26 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
It's quite possibly Reid's last year
If, for some reason, the Eagles were to miss the playoffs next season and Reid were to get fired, it’s quite possible that his replacement would want to bring in his own coordinatiors.
There’s a very legitimate chance that he would be signing up for a one year deal and be looking for a job next season.
The Eagles D has more talent and has the potential to be much better than the Saints.
In NO, he’s less likely to get fired.
I’d say that’s a pretty obvious reason to stay away from Philly.
That isn’t good for the Eagles.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
you are being an idiot
how is him choosing cities bad for the eagles. stop acting like you can read minds
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by Udalango on Jan 20, 2012 10:30 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
So he sided with trivial BS over working with Andy Reid? That’s great!
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Oh dear god
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by Udalango on Jan 20, 2012 10:34 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I can do this all day.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
It’s a phrase you idiot.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
maybe his family doesn't wanna be in philly
you are being so fucking stupid. calm the he’ll down
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by Udalango on Jan 20, 2012 10:37 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
His wife is from Philly (or the Philly area) and he still has a house here. Next question.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
I live in nc I don't want to though
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by Udalango on Jan 20, 2012 10:41 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Cool?
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
figure it out dumbass
I’m saying just cause she’s from Philly doesn’t mean she still wants to live there.
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by Udalango on Jan 20, 2012 10:43 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Oh, so you’re just assuming that Spags’ wife doesn’t like Pennsylvania. I love your facts.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
you have some serious
reading comprehension problems. I never stated that as fact.
all I’m saying is just cause spags chose new Orleans doesn’t mean the eagles did something wrong because I’m an adult and don’t just assume stupid fucking shit when things don’t go the way I want.
are you too dense to understand that. God grow up
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by Udalango on Jan 20, 2012 10:48 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
You don’t get it. Whatever. Maybe if you weren’t a college dropout whose brain cells were killed off by popping pills you would. Oh wait, we’re not supposed to randomly attack people? Whoops.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
lol
once again grow up. that’s how you win an argument. ditch it ok
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by Udalango on Jan 20, 2012 12:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
You win an argument by smashing on someone? That’s news to me.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
I was just saying to calm down lol
and you kept riling up but OK buddy.* hugs*
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by Udalango on Jan 20, 2012 1:58 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I wish my facts were half as right as djackfans opinions
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by Udalango on Jan 20, 2012 10:42 AM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
What facts? Spags liking New Orleans food is a fact?
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
I'm saying in general
idk why that commented there
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by Udalango on Jan 20, 2012 10:44 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I would rec this so hard if I could
Its not the fact that we didn’t get Spagnuolo. If we had gotten Mike Nolan, I wouldn’t have been upset. Perhaps if we even manage to get Jack Del Rio to run the defense, I’d be totally comfortable with that. But now the market has essentially dried up. Del Rio hasn’t gotten interviews. He’s not all that cracked up. Meanwhile, Spagnuolo got several job offers from the Colts and Saints to name a few. How many more teams expressed interest, we won’t know.
What pisses me off is the “gold standard” that Lurie said this organization deserves to have. That buying into an 8-8 season with a 4-0 stretch at the end was “fool’s gold”. Spagnuolo was overrated, but Juan Castillo is NOT our best option. Period. Spin it however way you want, but to expect different results under the same guy is the epitome of “fool’s gold”.
So you’re hoping for an 0-16 season?
And if Juan is as bad as you say why do you get so mad that Spags is gone? There is still plenty of coaches left who can come in and take over and do a better job. Maybe we re-hire Lynn as DC
The writing is on the wall: JUAN MORE YEAR.
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The Giants are only one game ahead of us (and except for a bad call in the Arizona game, they would be tied with us). They played a crappy Falcons team, then got the Packers on their off-day. All it shows is that teams need to just get into the playoffs and they can make some noise .
The bigger question is not what DC we get. Juan will be fine with a full offseason. No he won’t be great, but bringing Spags in could have made things worse for next year.
The bigger question is how does Vick play. If he can play well and stop with the stupid turnovers, this team has a chance to be decent next year.
Well, I’m glad you can tell the future.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
“Juan will be fine with a full offseason”
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Vick will never play like Manning.
Personally, that makes it more enjoyable, but more frustrating and ultimately more disappointing.
You know, the Eagles franchise is worth about $1.2 Billion. If Lurie had hired Coughlin, the franchise would be worth at least $1.6 Billion. If I am correct, that’s an awful lot of cash left on the table, even for a freeloading relative like Jeff.
I hate to be the one to point this out..........
But isn’t it the responsibility[sp] of the offense to continue to score more points in the second half of games ?
I don’t have the stats to back it up , but it seemed to me it was a lack of continuing to score late in the games that cost us dearly.
sure , the other teams scored late , but the fact is…….we didn’t.
Look at some of the better teams out there , and they just keep on scoring all the way till the end. While we flourished here and there , but went stale at the end.
I am not saying the defense was great , but hey, they can’t do it all.Offense must continue to score , even when up by 10 or more points.
Just sayin’
It's never easy being an Eagle fan........but I'll be damned if I ever stop.
Sign Spags Now !!!
Sure, the defense can’t do it all. Thing is, they did nothing to help this team win. Garbage. Trash. Awful. Worse than last year.
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Doubtful. It was worse before the last 4 games of the year. Now everyone is one the Juan Castillo bandwagon because of something that even Jeff Lurie has called “fool’s gold”.
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Yes, but what can he do? They played bad teams. But they did their job. They got better. They played bad teams early and sucked. Then they strung 4 wins together. Do you realize how hard that is in the NFL?
And just because Lurie said it doesn’t make it true. I don’t see it as fool’s good, I see it as potential. Sure Juan could be horrible next year, but the evidence doesn’t support that.
He's right.
You’re wrong, my man. Check the stats. Volume, scoring, sacks, TD allowed, 3rd Down %, total efficiency… we had a worse DPR last year, but we also had 8 fewer interceptions.
by Eagle Fly Free on Jan 20, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
“Fool’s gold”
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Just to be clear.
I’m not disagreeing that this is an horrendous mistake, and Castillo’s defense was wholly unacceptable and he should be fired for it. But McDermott’s defense was epically bad.
by Eagle Fly Free on Jan 20, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Tell that to Jeffrey Lurie.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, you gonna tell him what’s up?
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Dammit, I hate math. Kickball after school?
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
What he meant by that
Is that we can’t tell if the defense was good in the last 4 weeks or whether it was a product of the teams that we played.
You can only beat the teams they put in front of you and we have no way of knowing whether or not this D would have shut down the Packers or the Saints if they had played them in the last 4 weeks of the season.
For that reason, it COULD be a case of "Fool’s Gold’ if one were to assume that this improvement were definitive. Whatever the reason, Spags isn’t here. Given that we didn’t get him, we may as well stick with Castillo because despite what you may think, he is clearly not completely incompetent given that the D finished in the Top 10 for the whole season (not just the last 4 games)
I thought
I saw stats where they ranked fairly well at points allowed ? no ?
sacks and pressures ?
what we really needed most of the time was more goddam points. IMO.
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All useless stats. At least last years defense did enough to win games against good players. We held Matt Ryan and the Falcons to 17 points. We held Peyton Manning to 24 points in a stellar effort that is really under appreciated. They also had 23 interceptions. The 2011 Eagles on the other hand were awful for 3/4 of the season, played great against bad teams, got smashed by good players and hardly came up with any turnovers.
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It depends. McDermott’s pass D gave up 31 pass TDs but made up for it with 23 INTs. Castillo’s pass D gave up 27 TDs (ironically, the same number as McD’s first year) but only snagged 15 INTs. They were 8th in points, 10th in yards, but normally you want those numbers reversed (i.e., they weren’t very efficient on team defense). This has a lot to do with our poor TO differential (-14, 31st in the NFL). But of course, in 2010, we were 12th and 22nd, respectively, in yardage and points allowed.
…of course, in 2010, we were 4-2 against winning teams and in 2011, we were 1-4.
by Eagle Fly Free on Jan 20, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
lets be real here...
The eagles NEVER do what the fanbase screams for.
Pass the ball too much in big games ? Check (51 passes in the super bowl, 15 touches for westbrook in his prime)
They fail to recognize just how important fire and leadreship are vs salary on a defense (brian Dawkins…hello ?)
They don’t draft who we want or for that matter who makes sense. (Earl Thomas anyone ?)
They dont sign who who we want/need in free agency (Stephen Tulloch anyone ?)
And now they wont hire or fire who we want or who makes sense.
Get used to many more years of the same old BS with this team…
I still love them and will still watch but I care less and less each year.
So when they promote a guy who has been a football coach for the last 30 years...
…(15 years in the NFL) They’re stupid because he doesn’t have experience of the exact job they’ve promoted him to.
But when they don’t listen to a bunch of guys on the internet who have exactly 0 experience of coaching at all, then they’re also stupid because somehow you know better?
No ...
They are not stupid because “I” or “a bunch of guys on the internet” know better, its because everyone, EVERYONE disagreed with the above moves that I mentioned.
Former players, former coaches, former GM’s, former players who WERE ON THE EAGLES TEAM ( J trott, Brian Baldinger) disagreed with those piss poor decisions I outlined earlier.
Where do you think a lot of us form our opinions from ? Can u understand that ?
two bad examples
Balldinger likes to hear himself talk and never played under AR or this FO. Two Trot is pretty bitter for some reason at the eagles. He made the claim today that if he was the starting MLB in 2004 or 2003 they would have won the SB. He said it today on 975, i turned the station off.
We gave Sean Mcdermott 2 years
And he was a Defence guy and he was way worse than Juan. Had a terrible D in Carolina this year too. I say give Juan another year I expect to see vast improvement after a full offseason.
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by GreenAlpha&Omega on Jan 20, 2012 8:40 AM EST reply actions
Correct me if I’m wrong, but there are no sources that Reid spoke to Spagnuola at all, right? Cause if Reid did talk to him, then we all really have no reason to be upset.
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There is no report about anything, just like always regarding the Eagles.
by Anders Jensen on Jan 20, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
If that’s the case, then the anger from those in this community have a legitimate reason to be upset.
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how so?
because he decided awhile ago to keep Juan? Is that what everyone is all angry about??? Haha oh man that writing has been on the wall for awhile.
that writing has been on the wall for awhile.
Nobody knew that.
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name one actual report that said
AR and spags were meeting to talk about a job. The most we got was speculation and one carefully worded tweet by laconfora. Everyone just got sucked into it with no real story
by VRFC8 on Jan 20, 2012 3:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Except for McCoy and a small handful of other guys
That 8-8 record was a team effort.
So...how would everyone feel about Jack Del Rio?
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Passing Rushing
Pts Yds Ply Y/P 1stD Cmp Att Yds TD Int NY/A 1stD Att Yds TD Y/A 1stD TO FL 1stPy
10 Defense
377 5235 998 5.2 309 309 536 3469 31 23 6.0 185 423 1766 12 4.2 91 34 11 33
11 Defense
328 5198 982 5.3 289 301 518 3397 27 15 6.0 173 414 1801 11 4.4 84 24 9 32
Carolina 11
Team Defense 429 6042 972 6.2 329 318 490 3949 28 14 7.6 191 451 2093 18 4.6 110 24 10 28
Stats From http://www.pro-football-reference.com/
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by GreenAlpha&Omega on Jan 20, 2012 9:12 AM EST reply actions
What I saw:
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Not sure what you are trying to post, since only one team is identified in the table.
Passing Rushing
TM Pts Yds Ply Y/P 1stD Cmp Att Yds TD Int NY/A 1stD Att Yds TD Y/A 1stD TO FL 1stPy
377 5235 998 5.2 309 309 536 3469 31 23 6.0 185 423 1766 12 4.2 91 34 11 33
328 5198 982 5.3 289 301 518 3397 27 15 6.0 173 414 1801 11 4.4 84 24 9 32
CAR 429 6042 972 6.2 329 318 490 3949 28 14 7.6 191 451 2093 18 4.6 110 24 10 28
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My post got all srewed up
I was trying to show 10 defence vs 11 defence in yards ect and then show mcdermotts d in carolina. disreguard pls
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by GreenAlpha&Omega on Jan 20, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
Was it 10th vs 11th vs CAR?
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No Our 10 vs our 11 vs car 11
Really just a comparisson between mcdermott D in 10 and 11 vs our 11 d.
really ahoulda been a reply to my post about us sticking with McD for 2 yerars when he was bad.
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by GreenAlpha&Omega on Jan 20, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Okay, I get it now.
Passing Rushing
TM Pts Yds Ply Y/P 1stD Cmp Att Yds TD Int NY/A 1stD Att Yds TD Y/A 1stD TO FL 1stPy
PHI'10 377 5235 998 5.2 309 309 536 3469 31 23 6.0 185 423 1766 12 4.2 91 34 11 33
PHI'11 328 5198 982 5.3 289 301 518 3397 27 15 6.0 173 414 1801 11 4.4 84 24 9 32
CAR'11 429 6042 972 6.2 329 318 490 3949 28 14 7.6 191 451 2093 18 4.6 110 24 10 28
That cuts off another column. I really wish table syntax would work in these comments.
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So Andy didn’t want to hire a guy that could possibly take his job next year? And this surprises anyone?
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
If this is really the reason Andy never contacted Spags, Andy needs to go now.
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I think he contacted him twice.
Obviously you doesn’t, but what’s your source?
Jeff McLane, what’s yours?
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
This isn't the draft
It’s not like we just say, “with the fifteenth overall pick in the 2012 coaches draft, the Eagles select Steve Spagunolo”
Those who say ‘we didn’t contact Spags’, how the fuck do you know what we did? As far as I’m concerned, the Eagles are as secretive as Jason Bourne and I’m fine with that. Unless you know for a fact that we didn’t contact him, then shut up because you look like a damn fool (think Chubbs Peterson voice here)
Good lord, is it really that hard to read? Jeff McLane reported the Eagles were never interested in Spags.
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that's right
Jeff McLane is god and the Eagles have never lied before.
We’re having this conversation up above, feel free to join in if you want. I’m not reposting everything I’ve written so far.
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lol yes you are
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by Udalango on Jan 20, 2012 9:54 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I’m not going to bring it all the way down here because some schmuck is being hard-headed.
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Any reason to call me a schmuck and hard-headed when you are doing the same thing? I could just as easily call you a whiny bitch. Guess what, WB (that’s whiny bitch), Spags is in New Orleans—we didn’t get him so stop being so butt-hurt about it.
Yeah, I did have a reason. You’re not arguing, you’re being a sarcastic dick.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Don't be like that.
Don’t take your ball and go home. That would be so uncharacteristically childish.
I’m not taking the ball. I kicked the ball too hard and the random loner who hangs out by the fences and hunts ladybugs picked it up. I just told him that if he wants to play he should go to the field of play.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Good lord- is it really that hard to understand? Its one report from one guy that said nobody told him they were interested. We don’t know the truth.
Regardless of the accuracy of McLane’s report, there is absolutely no way that this reflects positively on the Eagles. No way.
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Spags was never coming here.
Been there, done that. He was using the media to pump up his asking price and was just waiting around for Greg Williams to take the job in St. Louis.
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… And here come the hindsight experts.
“I knew it wasn’t happening”
“Spags was never coming”
Please, you didn’t know shit.
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exactly
neither did you. You have no idea what we tried to do.
I’m going with the information at hand, hindsight experts are just being retarded. Where were these people who knew we weren’t getting Spags a few weeks ago? That’s right, they were nowhere to be found.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
I am not saying I knew anything before hand.
I was hoping the free agent instability caused by NO having Brees, Colston, Meachem, Harper and one of their O-linemen (cannot remember name) would have created a less appealing atmosphere than Philly.
I am not being a “hindsight expert.” I am just observing that Spags did the same thing that Fisher when getting hired by STL. It is the same thing agents do for players. They play multiple teams off each other to get the best job / pay for their client.
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I only skim BGN periodically for Eagles news so forgive me if everybody else knows this already. Are you just pretending to be a caricature of an idiotic WIP caller or do your posts reflect your actual thoughts?
Aww, did I upset you because I didn’t say the Eagles are the greatest team evarr?
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
lol complaining
about someone is being a sarcastic dick and than act like this. you’re a smart one. lol you need sleep
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by Udalango on Jan 20, 2012 10:12 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I had a legitimate reason, I was being slandered. Whatshisface had no reason to be a sarcastic dick.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
but that wasn't even ricker
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Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
by Udalango on Jan 20, 2012 10:15 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
What are you talking about?
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
you were an ass to ricker
not the guy who was an ass
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Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
by Udalango on Jan 20, 2012 10:24 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
How was ricker not an ass?
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
he asked a serious question lol
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Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
by Udalango on Jan 20, 2012 10:27 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Mhmm.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 20, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
If you're referring to me
I wasn’t being sarcastic or a dick at first. While I didn’t agree with your opinion, I wasn’t the one who delved into name-calling. You had no reason to be a sarcastic dick because someone disagreed with you.
I have no problem whatsoever being a sarcastic dick to someone, especially on the internet, if they are douche-nozzles.
fuck this team im done
I’m angry….hurt…disappointed …and fucking tired of this shit year after year
Why the fuck would scumbag Andy bring in someone that could take his job? No, this fucking cult of a team would never make that move
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You have a Bill Shankly quote in your sig. You know what else he said?
“If you can’t support us when we lose or draw, don’t support us when we win”
So… bye.
Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
LOL
look at this motha fucka, actin like the eagles win shit, LOL wowww
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Can't tell if trolling
Or just stupid…
Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
Cant tell if delusional
or just retarded
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Shut the fuck up
“Fans” like you are the reason everyone says Philly has bandwagon fans.
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by Clint Eastwood on Jan 20, 2012 3:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I have no ill will
towards TO.
At least one more year of Andy and Juan. If they don't win it all they both better be gone!
No way Eagles draft a LB in the first round 2012.
We will see if Spags was in the right place at the right time in the Gmens SB run. Or was that the fluke year and he really is just mediocre.
by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 20, 2012 10:21 AM EST reply actions
Me neither
I lived next to him whne he lived in Moorestown and mad a killing selling waters and gatoraide to all the people camping out there from our property which extended past the police barrier.
God created the Eagles to train the faithful.
Vick is a direct descendant of Randall
by GreenAlpha&Omega on Jan 20, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
haha thats cool
he’s a bit nuts. But a great player and seemed to be a nice enough guy. I agree that the NFL loads the back end of contracts and never intends to pay the player. Too bad he let that ruin his peace of mind.
At least one more year of Andy and Juan. If they don't win it all they both better be gone!
No way Eagles draft a LB in the first round 2012.
We will see if Spags was in the right place at the right time in the Gmens SB run. Or was that the fluke year and he really is just mediocre.
by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 20, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
I wish there was some way I could bitch slap d-jackoff10 through this here monitor
by DiegoKing on Jan 20, 2012 1:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
why b.c he sees the light?
some of the ppl on this blog drink optimisim for breakfast when they need to see that this team organization is seriously flawed
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Got bad knees and a high motor? Well cmon on over to PHILLY, we'll do our best to put you in the right position and do a better job!
And some people on this blog are dumbasses and think they know how to run a football team.
I'm great like Gatsby.
by Clint Eastwood on Jan 20, 2012 3:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
There’s a few arrogant douche bags on here that think it’s easy being an NFL GM.
I'm great like Gatsby.
by Clint Eastwood on Jan 20, 2012 3:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm sorry but Lurie is like most billionaires he don't give a shit about people like you and me.
This team is a business to him and that’s it, he’s just like any other team owner. He’s going to get paid regardless if the Eagles win or lose. So, Clint Eastwood please don’t drink any more of Lurie’s bath water. I’ll put money that if not this team he would of bought another team or business. Do I blame him? No! he’s just a fucking rich business man.
If he knew anything about football Andy/Juan would of been gone a long time ago.
But since he don’t he trust and believes that Andy/Juan do know the sport.
Lurie’s bathroom probably cost more than your house w/ furniture and cars put together.
Rich people don’t get sad over teams not making the playoffs, rich people get sad when they lose a fucking dollar! Win or Lose lurie’s paid and he’s not one of us , he’s never going to be caught on SBNATION posting text like a fucking bum like the rest uf us! He’s not us, but guess what FUCK HIM!
by EaglesNeedD on Jan 20, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
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