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Fisher would do for Eagles what Dungy did for Colts

To win, you've got to be bold and make winning bets. Andy was bold in getting Washburn and Mudd but placed the season losing bet on that defense (both Castillo and players). Jeff Fisher should be made coach of the Eagles today.

I lived in Nashville and, as an Eagles fan, could objectively watch this man coach. He is one of the NFL's very best. He did not have an owner that would spend the money that the Eagles do. The defenses under him played "JJ tough"...Reggie White, Hugh Douglas, Brian Dawkins tough. I am telling you, Eagles fans would love this man's style of play. His players played tough or not at all. His teams would beat the Colts when they were at their best. His teams would beat the Steelers 13-7, the Ravens 10-7. He never had much offensive talent but he got the very most out of them (see Eddie George, Steve McNair who are no Shady/Vick combo) and when he did, he took them to the Super Bowl and damn near beat the "greatest show on turf" Rams as big underdogs. AND his teams do not get a lot of penalties....wouldn't that be nice? They don't need Fisher for offense, they've got a SB level offense (provided, of course, that they don't league the league in Turnovers which is as prerequisite for winning the SB as "making important kicks").

Bringing back Spags, while a huge upgrade, isn't enough. Reid will still be coach and he has developed Schottenheimer syndrome. He can't put it all together and get over the hump. The Eagles need attitude and aggression at the very top. Roseman, Banner and Reid together are less aggressive than my teenage sons. Reid will win plenty of divisions but he struggles mightily in big games. His teams depend on too many planets lining up to win. Take for example, that he tried for years to win a SB without being good at clock management or a 2 minute offense - you can't do that. Take for example that it took him too many years to figure out when to throw the red flag. Most of us ordinary fans, watching replays, could have talked into his headset and had better success there. A SB coach fixes that in one game - not in 5 years. Consider that our last two DCs had a combined 0 years of prior DC experience....you're trying to win the SB and trying to do it with rookie DCs....honestly?! I read where Norm Schwarzkopf in Desert Storm, decided to attack Iraq with his unproven reserves - because they'd earned his loyalty and, you know, just to see if he could do it.....a first year West Point student would have advised against McDermott and Castillo.

Yes, there were too many turnovers and key times when the offense could not stay on the field. But as sober Eagle fans know, that offense was the most balanced and most capable in decades in Philly. The simple truth is, that this team that could flat out RUN the ball. Howard Mudd is Eagles coach of the year. They didn't run only after establishing the pass. Or Run but only outside the red zone. Or run successfully, but never on 3rd and short. This team RAN the ball. Shady off tackle from the two was one of the best plays we had ! This was all driven by Howard Mudd. Who he'd replace ? Who was that again ? Juan Castillo, the guy who was PROMOTED despite never having a balanced offensive line. Westbrook's best runs were passes. Add Vick and the passing offense, even with DeSean going mental and Maclin dropping too many balls, and it was still the best offense in years. And one, that if, IF, they hang on to the ball are Super Bowl caliber. No changes needed. Especially now that Mr. Vick has introduced himself to Mr. Celek.

The "duck my head and hope for a tackle" safeties will be gone. Fisher would have cut them in training camp...better, not drafted them. The "you mean, you want me to stop both the run AND the pass?" linebackers will be gone. Rolle can play for Fisher and so can Clayton (young and actually like to hit and what they lack can be taught). Fisher would have started a veteran at MIKE because he knows you can't start a rookie with no offseason...holy crap, just think about that!. He will turn the CBs loose to do what SB corners do, jam you up, play rough, get inside your head, coverage. If the other team's WRs are not pushing and shoving after the play, your DBs are playing too soft. When is the last time our opponents WRs got an unsportsman after the play because they were frustrated with being pushed around?! Look at every SB winner, the corners play Jeff Fisher - Jim Johnson style....not like we've seen for 3 years. The LBs are punishing or they don't play...everyone on the defense hits...HARD. Even if you beat them, you get beaten up and no offense wants to play them (see Ravens, Steelers this year). Softest Eagles defenses I've seen in many a year and it's disgusting. Fisher would not take the field with them. If you're going to give up 24 pts/game during the first 12 games of the year, for god sake, at least hit somebody and give the opponents watching tape something to think about ! Even some of the best WRs and RBs of all time, got alligator arms and slippery cleats when they feel what's coming.

If Jeff Lurie, REALLY wants to win a Superbowl, he will take a lesson from Irsay who had Manning and that offense but a porous (see 2009-2011 Eagles) defense and got himself a head coach who brought what that team most lacked - smart defense. The Bucs won the SuperBowl because Gruden brought what they most lacked - a cocky fiery attitude. The Yankees won when they lacked attitude and brought in Billy Martin. They Yankees won when they had too much attitude and brought in Bob Lemon. You solve the puzzle..You add what you sorely lack. Mark my words - the Eagles add Jeff Fisher, they win the SB in two years, maybe next...after he cleanses the defense of guys who play like Quentin Demps and Jarrad Page.....




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What about Fisher for DC/Assistant Head Coach?

I'm great like Gatsby.

by Clint Eastwood on Jan 2, 2012 11:28 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

thats what i was thinking while reading this

claude giroux and shady mccoy. the future

by griffeagles on Jan 5, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

What really makes Fisher a better bet then Andy since he didn’t win a superbowl in Tennessee. He made it once exactly like Andy. Andy has a great winning percentage as a head coach, a better post season record, and change for the sake of change isn’t always better. Bringing in Fisher as say the Defensive coordinator I can get on board with, but completely revamping our offensive style when all the important pieces now have 3 or more years in the same system makes little to no sense.Howard Mudd now has the O line he wants, Maclin, McCoy, and Vick are now all getting to that comfort level where they just know what the other is thinking. Celek has become a favorite target of Vick. offensively we look to be on the right track. Defensively, yes we need help but bringing Fisher in for that job specifically would be better served then having him take over HC duties.

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by Talon Talent on Jan 2, 2012 11:28 AM EST reply actions  

Jeff fisher is GAABBBBAAAAAGE what has he done lately next to Andy ??? Not a damn thing get outta here

by FLAeagle on Jan 2, 2012 11:28 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Jeff Fisher is the same as Andy Reid with less success.

If the guy is as great as you seem to think, why was his record in Tennessee so mediocre? 6 playoff appearances in what? 16 years?

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by JasonB on Jan 2, 2012 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

you are a smarter football student than this

he doesn’t coach anything like Andy Reid and you know that
as far as record, he had a very good one….better than Bill Belicheck with the Browns, and hey, wait a minute, when BB got an owner who spent money, I think he went on to win a few more games….
no one around the league disparages what Fisher accomplished or calls him mediocre..nobody

by EaglesfaninVA on Jan 2, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

better than Bill Belicheck with the Browns

That is not hard

Some guy at PSU Hershey Med Center just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines".

by Ben16 on Jan 2, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

“no one around the league disparages what Fisher accomplished or calls him mediocre..nobody”

Except the Titans, who fired him.

This isn’t Belichick with the Browns. This is 16 years. Six playoff appearances. He won his division three times. Three in 16 years!

Six winning seasons in 16 years. Five seasons of a .500 record. Six seasons of a losing record.

That’s the “very good” record that you speak of?

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by JasonB on Jan 2, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

3 seasons of 13-3; one 12-4, one 11-5, one 10-6
unless you expect dominance every year, you last 16 years in the NFL by balancing that out with five 8-8 years and some losing seasons.
you have to consider the talent he had…you’re not talking coaching with the backing of Patriots, Cowboys, Giants, Steelers,,,and Eagles…..this was the Houston Oilers, transplanted and run out of 2nd tier NFL city with a cheap owner
be honest, have you ever read up on Fisher ? or watched him coach a team over the course of a season ? why do you say he will get a HC job this season as i do ? because he’s HC caliber via a strong career in Defense. which is all the Eagles need to win it all…..hell, i like Andy but without JJ he has struggled mightily…a bold move would be to replace him now with a strong experienced defensive coach and leave the offense more or less alone

by EaglesfaninVA on Jan 2, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he was a solid head coach in Tennessee and he’s a proven commodity, so he’ll get another job. Just like Andy Reid would be get another job easy.

But you’ve acted like he’s special or did a special job and you’ve condescended to anyone that disagreed. When in reality, Fisher’s overall record is surprisingly average. He hasn’t even had that great of a track record as far as his defenses as I pointed out.

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by JasonB on Jan 2, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

what??
you last 16 years in the NFL by balancing that out with five 8-8 years and some losing seasons.

actually, you should look at Andy’s record…

by smeagle on Jan 5, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

hey, wait a minute, when BB got an owner who spent money, I think he went on to win a few more games….

you are so off base. Beliichik won his championships with no name players that busted their ass. When Kraft started opening up his checkbook the team has been good but not good enough to win a championship.

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by Talon Talent on Jan 2, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe a fair point, excluding Tom Brady of course

the general point is that Bud Adams of the Titans is no Jeff Lurie with the spend and that Kraft of the Patriots is considerably more interested in SBs than the Browns were when they had Belicheck. make no mistake, Fisher not Belicheck, i’d never say that. the analogy i’m putting forth is “good coach, that performed much better in top tier city under top tier ownership” Nashville had neither and Fisher would be a great addition at this time to the Eagles.

by EaglesfaninVA on Jan 2, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Tom Brady, Richard Seymour, Asante Samuel, Vince Wilfork, Rodney Harrison, Logan Mankins, Teddy Bruschi, Ty Law, Troy Brown, Willie McGinest

These are no name players?

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by JasonB on Jan 3, 2012 12:57 AM EST up reply actions  

lets take a look

when the Pats won their first superbowl under Belichik they were led there by a no name 6th round pick known as Tom Brady, Richard Seymour was a rookie, Vrabel was a 4 year vet with no starts in his time at Pittsburgh, Wilfork wasn’t even drafted, neither was Samuel, Harrison still played for San Diego. Yeah McGinest, Bruschi, Law, and Troy Brown were very good but it wasn’t like Kraft opened up a huge paycheck for that year.
After that, yeah the talent started to roll in but not to players that were like top at their positions in the league. He found underutilized players (with the excpetion of Rodney Harrison) or drafted excellent players that got them their next 2 superbowls. It wasn’t a spending spree.

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by Talon Talent on Jan 3, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Fisher will get a HC job this year if he wants it, doesn’t have to take a DC job
Fisher will not revamp the offense and doesn’t need to and if you read my post, you’d realize that.
regarding what he’s done lately ? well, relative to JC, his defense didn’t give up 328 points this year and relative to you, he’s sober this morning and not dreading what 2012 will bring into his life

by EaglesfaninVA on Jan 2, 2012 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

The myth of FIsher's defenses

“his defense didn’t give up 328 points this year”

No, but they gave up more the last year he was coaching. And more the year before, more in 2006, more in 2005, more in 2004, virtually the same amount in 2003 & 2002 and more in 2001.

So in all but 3 or 4 years, Jeff Fisher’s defenses gave up more points than Juan Castillo’s.

So, before you try insulting people just for disagreeing with you, you should consider his actual record.

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by JasonB on Jan 2, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

i didn’t try to insult him, i did.
and not for disagreeing with me, hell i like that. you can argue that it’s too much change, that the Eagles are too close, that Fisher is a bad offensive coach…many intelligible things. but when I read “titans were the bitch” and “what has he done lately” when he didn’t coach this year and his team went 13-3 in 2008, well, i just have to have fun with that.

but you’re right…Jeff Fisher is a lousy defense coach. that’s what he was known for. soft defenses…while loaded up with high priced defensive guys like…..uh…umm….well, you know, guys just as high priced as Nmandi and Babin and Jenkins….
you think most GMs would prefer Castillo over Fisher when it comes to a defense ? not on their life

by EaglesfaninVA on Jan 2, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

you think most GMs would prefer Castillo over Fisher when it comes to a defense ? not on their life

How do you know? If that were the case, don’t you think Fisher would have had a job somewhere this year?

Some guy at PSU Hershey Med Center just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines".

by Ben16 on Jan 2, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, he did get fired late to be fair. The head jobs were filled and I doubt he wanted to be a coordinator. He probably wanted the year off.

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by JasonB on Jan 2, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

right, lots of guys take some time off Ben. some take a lot of time off e.g. Vermeil, Gibbs. But he is back in the HC market now. no, i haven’t polled the GMs but it’s an assertion, an opinion. i’ve seen some of your posts before – you ask good questions, keep them coming! while us older fans can get a little gruff, it’s guys like you who will carry the NFL fanaticism forward long after we’re gone !

by EaglesfaninVA on Jan 2, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd love to hear from TWO GM's who would rather have Castillo than Fisher.

God Damn you, Andy Reid.

The fat queen has failed us again. Reid must go.

by EvilBanner on Jan 2, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Stand behind your statement or not

You made the quip that Jeff Fisher’s defenses vs the Eagles defenses this year and you were mostly wrong.

Did you overrate the performances of Fisher’s defenses or were you just mistaken about how many points they’d allowed relative to what the Eagles did this year?

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by JasonB on Jan 2, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

so i have to answer your questions but you don’t have to answer mine? e.g. have you ever watched him coach a team over the course of a season ? have you ever read up on what others in the NFL have to say about him? you think GMs forced to choose today would choose Juan Castillo over Jeff Fisher for their defense ? ! ? !

ok, ok – i’ll go first, i stand behind the statement that his defense did not give up 328 points this year….

if you want me to stand behind my thesis – that Fisher would do for the Eagles what Dungy did for the Colts – i stand behind that as well.
if you want me to argue that Fisher never had a season where he gave up more than 328 points, i can’t. of course i never asserted that. i did state earlier that i was poking at a guy for making gurgled posts, who is probably a big boy and can stick up for himself…. but i see now that you’re right, because Jeff Fisher has had seasons where his defense gave up more than the Eagles, this year, Juan Castillo is a better defensive coach….yup, it’s really as simple as that. thanks! i’ve seen the light!

by EaglesfaninVA on Jan 2, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I never said that someone would want Juan Castillo to be their head coach over Jeff Fisher. That’s a silly straw man argument that’s not even worth addressing.

And look, I like Jeff Fisher. I think he is generally a good coach. However, we can’t ignore his record. You keep asking if I’ve “read up on him.” Or if I’ve “watched him coach.” I don’t really know what that means. I’ve seen his record. His results. The performances of his offenses and defenses. They’re not exceptional.

That’s my point. If he is some kind of savior that would step in here and win a Super Bowl, the evidence isn’t in his resume.

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by JasonB on Jan 3, 2012 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

ok, peace JasonB

i like most of your postings and have no beef with you.. not sure why you chose to comment on my obviously sarcastic reply to a goofy person’s post and hinge everything on that, instead of the original post – would have loved to hear your thoughts on whether the Dungy Colts analogy may or may not be a good one – it may not. but anyway, the reason i asked if you’ve seen him coach or read what NFLers have to say about him is because, well, it’s like trying to assess Shane Victorino by his stats – you really have to see him play to appreciate him. or how hard it was for me to describe what the World Trade Towers were to people who had never seen them. anyone watching Fisher knows he is a damn good coach and brings hard Eagle like football – hell, he was Eagles DC under Buddy Ryan when Buddy brought the Bears 46 defense here back in the early 90s. one game and plenty of Shelton Brown to Reggie Bush hits and Eagles fans would love him…..alas, it’ll all be for naught – JF is going to be HC at another team and we’ll have Andy and that’s that.
happy new year – keep holding the Eagles flag high

by EaglesfaninVA on Jan 3, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

My dude, I dig your passion

But I really would rather see the fat man on the sidelines than Jeff Fisher. Nobody wants Jeff Fisher, really. Do you see any team clamoring for his services? There is a good reason for this.

Crush them, my Birds!!! CRUSH THEM!!!!!!!!!

by EagleDomiNation on Jan 2, 2012 12:14 PM EST reply actions  

no way

Crush them, my Birds!!! CRUSH THEM!!!!!!!!!

by EagleDomiNation on Jan 2, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he’ll get a head job if he wants it.

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by JasonB on Jan 2, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

If I got a head job every time I wanted one...

God Damn you, Andy Reid.

The fat queen has failed us again. Reid must go.

by EvilBanner on Jan 2, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey-o!

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by JasonB on Jan 2, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

You guys were right.

I hereby stand corrected. I’m just glad WE didnt sign him.

Crush them, my Birds!!! CRUSH THEM!!!!!!!!!

by EagleDomiNation on Jan 15, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

im sorry i got it wrong jeff fisher is HOT GABBBBAGGEEE
titans were the bitch of the afc south mcnair made him look good even the VY situation , he is old news

by FLAeagle on Jan 2, 2012 12:16 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

what has jeff fisher ever done? i want reid fired but not if it means bringing in fisher. give me someone with a ring who has proven himself or a young guy whos making his way up the rank

"Buddy doesn't have many rules but one of them is don't lose to the Cowboys."

by greenismean on Jan 2, 2012 12:20 PM EST reply actions  

How about Mike Shanahan for Head Coach? He’s won a couple Superbowls, and could be available? Rings baby! You want the rings!!!!!!

Oh boy, is this great!

by MayIhave10,000marblesplease? on Jan 2, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

trolls lurk everywhere

"Buddy doesn't have many rules but one of them is don't lose to the Cowboys."

by greenismean on Jan 2, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

This sure is a lot of words with really absolutely no content or substance. Well done sir!!

by PhilsForever on Jan 2, 2012 1:05 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Juan earned Juan more year. Get used to it.

At least one more year of Andy and Juan. If they don't win it all they both better be gone!

by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 2, 2012 1:38 PM EST reply actions  

Jeff Fisher is not garbage or hot garbage he is PURE GARBAGE.

Look at his personal record with a QB that looks like Vick….DISATEROUS!. Chased off Mcnair and chased off VY even though they took him to 5 of his 6 playoff seasons. And honestly it would have been all 6 had he not benched VY for Collins. As an Eagles fan for 35+ years I don’t want Fisher as even a DC.

I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
36 plus years of rooting for the Eagles I think are comming to fruition this year.
I am not a FAN.... I am a FANATIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by eaglelover1 on Jan 2, 2012 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

He is not garbage.

He was ultimately not successful in Tennessee, but I don’t think you can call the guy “pure garbage.” Hell, I don’t call Andy Reid “pure garbage.” Fat, yes. Mediocre, certainly. I even call him a “prick” and a “douche” and an “asshole,” but not “pure garbage.”

THIS is “pure garbage” http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/mia/2007.htm

Not THIS http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/FishJe0.htm

God Damn you, Andy Reid.

The fat queen has failed us again. Reid must go.

by EvilBanner on Jan 2, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah he’s not garbage. I think people overrate him a bit because he’s just been around so long (probably the same happens with Reid) but overall his record isn’t bad. It’s not great… but not bad.

Frankly, I was under the impression that he had won more than he did.

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by JasonB on Jan 2, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Fisher and Reid both wore out their welcomes.

But had some very effective years. But even the best bread gets stale.

God Damn you, Andy Reid.

The fat queen has failed us again. Reid must go.

by EvilBanner on Jan 2, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

i think bill walsh said one time that even the greatest coaches have a shelf life in one city. agreed

"Buddy doesn't have many rules but one of them is don't lose to the Cowboys."

by greenismean on Jan 2, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Walsh may have been the best coach ever. offensive genius everyone knows but his defenses and especially his secondary played mean, Brian Dawkins mean

by EaglesfaninVA on Jan 2, 2012 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Well yeah, everything had obviously gone totally sour in Tennessee by the time he left.

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by JasonB on Jan 3, 2012 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

what the hell EB

if you’re gonna be all… pragmatic, and shit, I might have to start giving you more credence

by smeagle on Jan 5, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Per espn shefty

Fisher to meet with dolphins and rams this week.

by Saidrick on Jan 2, 2012 7:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Fisher is overrated. Keep andy and bring in Spags.

If Andy can’t get it done within the next two years with Spags as DC, then can his ass and make Spags (or maybe someone else) HC.

by CornOnTheKolb on Jan 3, 2012 1:58 AM EST reply actions  

this would be an upgrade and a great development

i still think Andy has Schottenheimer’s syndrome but i could get excited about this because then Andy could focus on QB coaching, his strength and let the others run the team

by EaglesfaninVA on Jan 3, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

oh shut it up

We finished with top 10 defense and top 3 offense. Now way we should be where we are. Fourth quarter flubs is what happened to us. Just some fine tuning and will be different next year. We stick with what we have,

by DcEagles29 on Jan 3, 2012 8:11 AM EST reply actions  

Eagles 2011 linebackers and secondary......fine tuning.....wow....i mean....wow..

somehow i don’t think Andy and Juan are in conference rooms planning 2012 moves and using the words “fine” or “tuning” or “fine tuning”
i think they are watching missed tackles, poor coverage and thinking “jeez, i hope i don’t get fired”

by EaglesfaninVA on Jan 3, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

He will not be a Eagle coach,

by moyer100 on Jan 3, 2012 7:51 PM EST reply actions  

I Agree

Bringing in fisher would be big. He has fire.

by frontiersman on Jan 5, 2012 2:57 PM EST reply actions  

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