The Linc - A Defense Of Juan Castillo
by JasonB on Jan 18, 2012 6:00 AM EST
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With seemingly everybody in Philadelphia firmly opposed to Juan Castillo remaining defensive coordinator, here is one man's opinion that the pitch forks and torches are preposterous.
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A defense of Juan?
Disgusting. Why would you want to bring back the guy who just botched a defense that had Trent Cole, Mike Patterson, Antonio Dixon, Cullen Jenkins, Jason Babin, Darryl Tapp, Nnamdi Asomugha, Asante Samuel and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie? I can’t even believe that guy said that Juan did a great job given what he had to work with. Yeah, because the best defensive line in football and three pro-bowl corners are just a bunch of crap, right?
Fool’s gold. That is what everyone is investing all of this Juan Castillo hope in, fool’s gold. We stopped a bunch of bad teams to end the year and our defensive rankings skyrocketed. Meanwhile we didn’t stop one half decent player all year aside from Eli and Romo who were divisional foes. Good defenses don’t get butt raped by all good players, the defense are supposed to win sometimes too.
Juan must go.
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I agree but
Name one good defense where their teams offense 38 turnovers.
The blame on this season falls on the offense just as much as it does the defense.
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by Clint Eastwood on Jan 18, 2012 6:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Turnovers surely didn’t help matters but people pretending like our defense was a-okay bug me.
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You can't argue with some people
The defense showed clear improvement as the season went on.
The defense ended up in the top 10 in most traditional categories.
The defense was hampered by turnovers and an inept backup quarterback.
Those who want to believe the defense was the major problem will have enough to support their claim. Those who think Juan did a good enough job also have enough to support them. It’s only those who refuse to see the other side of the argument who hold the pitchforks and act like every decision is an easy one.
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by NJBammer on Jan 18, 2012 8:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, when the team owner comes out and says the games were “Fools Gold”, I’m pretty sure that was enough to reassure me that I was on the right side of the fence on this one.
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I think I dislike the term “fools Gold” as much as “Dream Team”. Those games are not “fools Gold” they are what they are. A team that was better than another team made said other team look bad. They did what there job. It does not let them off the hook for there poor play but you also can not just discount those games. If you do not want to count those games then you would also have to not count the 4 worst defensive game also would you not?
So because elites players played good against this defense, they are not a good defense? You do know that elite players play well even against good defenses. Remember nobody is saying this defense couldnt be better or perform better, but saying they was a bad defense is like saying the Eagles offense is bad because we didnt perform well against every defense.
by Anders Jensen on Jan 18, 2012 8:19 AM EST up reply actions
Elite players beat you, thats fine but we got beat by every single good player we faced. A good defense at least stops some of them.
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We finished 12th in DVOA, it take into account that the last 4 teams had terrible offenses, yet we still finished a head of teams with experinced and highly regarded DCs such as Packers, Patriots and Saints.
Also is it Juans fault that AR gave him safeties and LBs there cant tackle for shit? Is it Juans fault that Samuel decides to free lance against the Cardinals so that Fitzgerald score a td?
by Anders Jensen on Jan 18, 2012 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
The Packers, Patriots, and Saints all had poor/injury riddled personnel. They also had offenses which averaged well over 30 points per game, meaning they were facing offenses that were playing catch up most of the game. They aren’t a good comparison.
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by Avant-Garde on Jan 18, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Juan also missed all the tackles
We were I think 2nd among all NFL teams in missed tackles. They have to be in the right spot to miss a tackle, right? Well that means that Juan has the players where they are supposed to be, but THEY have to make the tackles. Don’t put that on Juan.
He got better as the year went on, you can’t argue that point. Sure they beat bad teams at the end, but those same bad teams in the beginning of the season we would still lose too.
Yes, because clearly we sucked only because we missed tackles. it had nothing to do with using players poorly. Nothing.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 18, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
I never said that at all did I?
But it was a huge issue with the defense. Juan also isn’t on the hook for players biting on play fakes, like Brady to Welker.
But if you’re going to argue that Juan is terrible and has to go, then you have to at least look at some other reason why things happened like it did. You don’t do that though, you’re set already that he has to go. But not all the defensive issues were because of Juan.
I'm with A Kulp
Bring back Juan. Or, at least don’t hate on the possibility. Two seasons before people freak out and light the torches – Spags himself got as much, right? The people hating on Juan are always hating on someone or something, and it’s never measured or moderated, it’s always: “Arrrrrgh, if only this one thing would change!!!! Damn them!!!!”
Fun fact: the Eagles held teams to below their points/game average 7 times this year. 4 times against the Redskins and Cowboys, once each against the Dolphins and Jets, and only once against a playoff team, the Giants. I think this confirms the “fool gold” stance, that this defense really had very little success against capable offenses.
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by Avant-Garde on Jan 18, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
That ends up creating a chicken or the egg argument. Most teams don’t stop “good” offenses because they’re good, but good defenses (allegedly) stop good offenses.
You can counter one with the other until the end of time.
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by philiafan14364 on Jan 18, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Not a chicken/egg argument. This is the other team’s offense doing better than average against our defense. They’re playing better than they usually do because our defense is worse than the defenses they usually play; hence, our defense is below average against good teams. The fact that we play well against bad teams/division teams is masking our inability to stop good offenses.
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But you haven’t answered the question “Why?” In games such as the ones against Atlanta, Buffalo, and Chicago, and the first Giants tilt for instance, the Eagles surrendered great field position multiple times with turnovers. When you give an opponent the ball inside your own territory, more often than not that’s automatic points.
That seems to be the point critics are missing — turnovers equate to points.
Turning the ball over shouldn’t affect a stat like red zone defense though. Sure, they improved from last year’s horrendous 78%, but the 60% they had this year still puts them 4th worst in the league. Yeah, the offense didn’t do them any favors, but it doesn’t change the fact that they were a bad defense.
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Thanks for the link, btw
But now you’re backing yourself into a corner, because that’s only a small part of total defense. You’re saying they have a bad defense because they allowed one more touchdown per 10 trips inside the red zone than league average, which to me is not a huge difference. It’s something to work on, without question, but I think that’s an area where not having strong linebacker play really hurt them. Ultimately, we are talking about a difference of five or six possessions over the course of an entire season. I think given another year, Juan Castillo can improve on more than just five or six possessions.
Here’s the link, it’s the first result for red zone defense. The stats range from 39% to 65%, so it’s not like there’s a small difference between good and bad defenses. Anyway, I’m not going to rehash the same arguments that are used every time. I’d suggest you read this article (I linked it this time, you’re welcome) by d-jackfan10. The degree to which this defense fails against elite players and teams is astonishing.
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I was thanking BGN for the link...
I appreciate the assistance, but you seem to have missed the point about red zone defense. The difference between 60% and 50% is one touchdown per 10 trips, or conservatively five possessions all season. You’re saying the Eagles have a bad defense because they didn’t get five more stops, I’m saying that’s an extremely small part of the problem, and something that could easily be improved upon, maybe by something as simple as adding a quality linebacker.
As to your second link, nothing I believe is based specifically on the final four games of the season. I’ve pored through the play-by-play of every game this season on more than one occasion. I’ve studied every drive, where those drives start from, how the ball got there, and what the final result was. The fact is, through the first nine games of the season, opponents started at their own 40-yard line or better 35% of the time, and the Eagles were almost as likely to commit a turnover as they were to score a touchdown. Over the entire 2011 season, they were 6-3 and held their opponents to less than 20 points per game in games where they committed two or fewer turnovers, and 2-5 and allowed more than 20 PPG in games where they gave it away three or more times. Only two playoff teams finished in the top half of the league in giveaways this season, and the Eagles’ 38 turnovers were almost as many as the Patriots, Packers, and 49ers COMBINED with 41. And as for those five blown leads are concerned, the Eagles turned the ball over 13 times in those games, were pathetic at converting in the red zone and short yardage situations, and scored a whopping three points total in the fourth quarter, not to mention had their share of special teams miscues.
I’m not focusing on the final four games, and I don’t need anybody to do the research for me. I have yet to come across a significant measurement that indicates the Eagles’ overall defense was bad, and if you think you found it, I’d be happy to hear it and take its value into consideration.
Wish I could say the same for most of Castillo’s critics.
You have to look at the fact that we did it to both times against the Cowboys a team that had just beat the 49r’s.
Eh...
Divisional matchups always tend to buck overall trends.
by ChillBillinChina on Jan 18, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
If Marty goes
does Childress come back?
At least one more year of Andy and Juan. If they don't win it all they both better be gone!
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by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 18, 2012 6:18 AM EST reply actions
Chilly or Culley
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by Clint Eastwood on Jan 18, 2012 6:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Please , please , please....
take Marty.
It's never easy being an Eagle fan........but I'll be damned if I ever stop.
Sign Spags Now !!!
Jackson might go with him
Be careful for what you wish for.
I think everyone should be bilateral coordinated.
Wait, was that supposed to make me want to keep Marty? DeSean can leave.
But I don’t get the hate for Marty, the guy is one of the best offensive coordinators in the NFL. Hating him is stupid.
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If he is so good, why did he give McCoy 4 touches, i mean 4 touches in the whole 2nd half against the Niners? Why did he call for an option at the goalline for R. Brown?
by Anders Jensen on Jan 18, 2012 8:16 AM EST up reply actions
Minor gaffes, are you forgetting that we’ve set offensive franchise records each of the past 4 years.
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Yea we set record in yards, but I dont care when the offense turned the ball over 38 times and in the last 4 years have had huge problems scoring in the red zone.
by Anders Jensen on Jan 18, 2012 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
You seem to jump back and forth a lot. So having dvoa rankings in the 12 spot for D matters…..but setting franchise records and being 4 best Offense this year doesn’t matter?
Interesting rationale. But it seems to me you just don’t like Marty, and do like Juan. Because your basis for your arguements in this thread couldn’t be more opposite.
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by GreenInBaltimore on Jan 18, 2012 8:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No im just pointing out d-jackfan10’s hypocrisy. In one sentence he bashes the defense like they are the worst defense ever and next he say we should not be critical of MM, even tho the offense made far more mistakes and worse mistakes then the defense.
We finished 12th in defense and 8th in offense, but we should have ended higher on offense had it not been for a crappy red zone offense and 38 turnovers.
by Anders Jensen on Jan 18, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
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only cares about numbers that support him. If you go against him he will throw your numbers out. But the next column he’ll use the same ranking to support his point.
That is why it’s not even worth your time arguing with him. He argues like a low rent lawyer.
minor gaffes?
We sucked on offense. Look at our players! We are stacked at every position. We should be toasting teams, but instead we are home watching shit teams (Dallas). I wouldn’t mind at all seeing Marty bounce. Bring someone in that utilizes the skill sets of our offensive players.
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by EagleDomiNation on Jan 18, 2012 8:39 AM EST reply actions
Horrible argument. Turning the ball over 38 times is a problem. And that is on the players, not the playcall or scheme.
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by GreenInBaltimore on Jan 18, 2012 8:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Marty does have to be accountable for his players though.
From a playcalling standpoint, I think he’s a brilliant coordinator. However, is he suited for a head coaching position? I know that a lot of players respect Reid, but I don’t know how they respond to Marty. He needs to make sure his players are disciplined enough to know what to do in case the play breaks down.
Thats because Marty doesn't hold him accountable enough.
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by EagleDomiNation on Jan 21, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
hmm
Id like to know what the defensive stats were before we played 4 teams with brain dead QB’s or nothing to play for. There IS no case to keep Castillo. The Eagles have enough raw talent ot make it past crappy teams but get exposed big time by good QB’s.
Look at what Mcdermott did WITHOUT Cullen Jenkins, Jason Babin and Nnamdi. A play away from beating the packers last year. Stop this nonsense.
Castillo has to go.
The defense was worse under Mcd, it’s just that the offense was better or at least more efficient.
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23.33 points against/game through 12 games, 20.5 at the end of the season.
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by Avant-Garde on Jan 18, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry, but Juan's unit had a few problems that are unforgiveable for me
1) Way WAY too often the players seemed confused before the snap and we unprepared at the snap of the ball.
2) Playing Nnamdi in zone ALL SEASON even though the tape showed week after week that he was better in press-man
3) Started Casey Mathews because of his “bloodlines” that Castillo tauted as if he was transfixed by the kid’s family tree rather than actually making him earn anything.
Whatever, bring him back though, one more season is all Andy’s got left and it’s his last stance, let him choose his final staff. I hope he’s vindicated and Reid proves next year he’s still got ‘it’. Not holding my breath if Castillo is our coordinator.
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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Jan 18, 2012 1:37 PM EST reply actions
Juan > Morninwheg
God I fucking hope that Marty gets a head coaching job with Oakland or Cleveland… great developer of QBs, but a predictable OC…
The defense improved...
I don’t buy the argument that the end of the year doesn’t count. That is like saying the 4th quarter doesn’t count. We lost to some pretty bad teams. We BARELY beat the Rams Week 1. If we had played those same 4 teams at the beginning of the year they likely would have one more win on their record.
I think Reid will only replace Juan if he gets a clear upgrade at the position.
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