NJ Politician Charles Mainor Slurs Eagles With Homophobic Facebook Message
by JasonB on Jan 17, 2012 12:00 PM EST
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NJ State Assemblyman Charles Mainor, who is also a Jersey City cop, was so excited to see his beloved Giants beat the Packers, that he decided to take to Facebook to celebrate, by taunting the Eagles and Cowboys. Problem is, he used a homophobic slur to do so.
In the update, he wrote, "We are not going to just lay down, we come to play. Who the hell do you think we are the Dallas Cowgirls or those gaybirds from Philly ... No we are the New York Giants."
"No, we are the NY Giants" lol. That was the dumbest part.
But what's worse, this coward wasn't even man enough to own up to the fact that he wrote it. For a politician to write something like that on a public forum is dumb, but ultimately not a huge deal. If he just acknowledged the mistake and moved on, it's not the worst thing that a person can do. But rather than do that, he claims that he didn't write part about "gaybirds." He says that he wrote the message while at a party and while he did write all the words before and after the "gaybirds" comment, a friend apparently snuck in and added that part.
"I have to take full responsibility because it was under my name," he said. "I have no excuse, other than me not looking before he did send the post."
Give me a break. And then this dope actually plays the "I have relatives that are gay" card. It's a joke.
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He’s dumb for trying to backtrack, but this isn’t a big deal to me. I find gaybirds kinda funny. Not near the best I’ve heard, but still funny. Now if he woulda said gayboyyyyys, that’d be great.
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by Bleediots on Jan 17, 2012 12:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions
why is brent celek hugging big bird?
by VRFC8 on Jan 17, 2012 12:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't get it.
Sorry, I’m really dumb. Can someone explain?
by postman856 on Jan 17, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure either
I think it might be a picture of a gay bird?
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by philiafan14364 on Jan 17, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Big bird is gay
hence it is a picture of a gay bird
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by CarolinaGreen on Jan 18, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
I really fail to see how this is interpreted as homophobic. It is perhaps derogatory, but completely overblown.
Well IDK, if he were white and you replaced “gaybirds” with “negro-birds” it would sound pretty racist. If your insult to the team is to suggest that they’re gay, you’re implying that being gay is something valid to make fun of.
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by AnthroEagle on Jan 17, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yep
spot on Anthro.
''All men who feel any power of joy in battle, know what it is like when the wolf rises in the heart.'' -Roosevelt
However
dislike =/= fear, I find the term “homophobia” and its conjugations inaccurate, though I know it is the accepted parlance for some reason.
by ChillBillinChina on Jan 17, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Phobia in the strictest sense is a fear, yes. But when an organism is hydrophobic it doesn’t mean it fears water, it just won’t accept it. So a person who is homophobic isn’t necessarily someone who fears gay people, but rather someone who won’t accept them.
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Ok
that makes sense then, I didn’t recognize the alternative definition of ‘phobia.’
by ChillBillinChina on Jan 17, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Well in the strict definition you’re still absolutely correct. But the term has been changed and expanded over time. I wonder if there is a better term for it, though. There’s a difference between gynephobia and misogyny, but I’ve never heard someone use the term mishomony/mishomonistic. Idk.
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Redundant.
You have misanthropy which against men or human altogether and
you have misogyny which is against women
The term Mishomony/ mishomonistic isn’t necessary.
I think everyone should be bilateral coordinated.
Why not? the point I’m trying to make is that misogyny/misanthropy is “to hate” while anything “phobia/c” is to fear. So why do we only have terms for “to fear” homosexuality instead of “to hate” it?
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Oooh shit. Now I see where you are coming from.
Well, phobia are irrational fears like it would irrational to be scared of rats to point you can’t function properly. I fucking hate rats and find them gross but it isn’t a phobia..due me not wailing and wishing death on myself.
Now misogyny/misanthropy is something to learn. I never heard of a case that a person freaked out especially if they look and act similar to them. Misogyny/ misanthropy boils down to dehumanizing another person via sex object, or meal ticket. With phobias, it’s more individualized…
Scratch that. I need to muse more on this.
I think everyone should be bilateral coordinated.
Its honestly a weird word.. homophobia
Its the joining of a prefix and suffix.. with no fix in the middle.
Social science has used phobia (avoid/fear) and philia (attracted to/like) a for a while now.. and I’m “homophobia” does go back to those that were afraid, and it fit better then.. than it does now where people use it more for those that hate… but a wise man once stated that “Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate”.. so as a fear it can lead one to hate.
Whats funny to me is that homo is just a prefix meaning same.. so homophobia just means fear of the same, in its strictest sense… its just an assumption that homophobic is shortened for homosexualphobic and not homosapianphobic (Anthropophobic?) or homophonephobic (really don’t like sentences such as “I read a red book” I guess?) or the countless other words that begin with the prefix homo.
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more accurate description of homophobia
Is an uncomfortableness with the idea of some dude doing another dude in the rear. I’m sorry but if that is wrong for me to feel that way, then I guess I’m homophobic. That doesn’t mean I’m gonna go try to hunt them down and hurt them, just that I don’t like it. Hell if they can “choose” to like the same sex, I can choose to like straight people.
by VRFC8 on Jan 17, 2012 1:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Problem is you can't really choose who you like.
Attraction isn’t a choice.
I think everyone should be bilateral coordinated.
i dont want to go down this road
So I will just let it at that.
by VRFC8 on Jan 17, 2012 1:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
How is he ignorant?
Its true. I think the act of a dude getting his butt pounded by another dude is disgusting. I don’t hate anybody for it, but that doesn’t mean that I have to like it.
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But that’s not homophobia. Gay people are allowed to think hetero sex in gross without being heterophobic. I don’t like thought of gay sex, but I have no problem with gay people or other people partaking in it, I just want nothing to do with the physical part of it. That doesn’t make me homophobic, it makes me heterosexual.
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And I don’t think you’re trying to say it is, just clarifying it for chumpy.
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Never in my life I heard someone use hetero phobic before…. I feel so dumb. Maybe I should stop writing fan posts.
I think everyone should be bilateral coordinated.
Exactly
Im not being ignorant, im being a heterosexual. Something disgusts me I should be able to voice that opinion. I shouldnt HAVE to say oh Homosexuality is ok when I dont think it is, just to make others feel better. But that doesnt mean Im going to bash verbally of physically someone who is.
being heterosexual...
is not the same thing as being intolerant. Maybe one day you’ll understand my point.
Hold on just because I don’t agree with a way a person lives it makes me intolerant? That is fair….
by VRFC8 on Jan 17, 2012 4:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No, that alone does not make you intolerant. But when you think that the people whose lifestyle you disapprove of do not deserve the same rights and privileges as you is when you become intolerant. Just as long as you do not think people should have restrictions on them simply because of sexual orientation/race/religion etc then there is no issue.
by captain nodar on Jan 17, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
no, you don't have to like it
Although I’m not sure why you’d care but that’s beside the point. The ignorance I was referring to is the lack of knowledge that it’s pretty indisputable at this point that it’s not a “choice”.
Ill say the same thing I said before
I will not go into the choice discussion. I will never change my mind just like you will never change your mind that it isnt one. Also for every piece of “indisputable” evidence you find I can point to another one saying the opposite.
Given that you are not gay, how are you so certain that someone who is gay has chosen to be gay? I know you do not wish to discuss it, but you brought it up.
by captain nodar on Jan 17, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
He doesn’t, and neither do I. But I’ll take gay people on their word. If they say its not a choice (which most say it isn’t), I’m assuming its not a choice. IDK about you, but I didn’t choose to be heterosexual. Its just the way I’ve always felt.
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by AnthroEagle on Jan 17, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, it is derogatory. But in the context he used it, it seems like he just posted something without thinking too much. Not that that makes it any less derogatory to gays, but it certainly is not homophobic in the way the Westboro Baptist church is homophobic.
by captain nodar on Jan 17, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
He's a State Representative
This is a guy that represents the constituents in his state. I don’t think they appreciate the person they elected using slurs, be it racist, homophobic, or some other derogatory word used to malign a certain demographic.
Yeah, I agree . I think “gay” gets used as a synonym for “stupid” or “lame”, without thought of its use as a slur.
Surely there are people here who while in college would put something down (or had friends who would) by saying "that’s gay’.., without really thinking about what it meant or meaning any ill intent against homosexuals.
This guy’s a politician. He probably really meant no intent and just said something without thinking, but the standard for his behavior should not be that of a bunch of frat guys.
You are correct.
What made it worst was how he played it off. I feel like we could figure out how balance the economy…
I think everyone should be bilateral coordinated.
I use the word faggot around my friends a lot. I don’t mean it in a derogatory way and if there are other gay people around me that I don’t know are okay with the word, then I don’t use it at all. Some of my gay friends call our other friends faggots because they have no problem with the term. But as friends, we all understand that we can use it with each other because we won’t be offended by it. To use these terms directly to somebody or in reference to something as a public opinion, is ignorance of those that are affected by the use of this terminology.
I don’t care if Mainor calls his friends faggots or gay at his house parties or whatever. Going on a social media site as a state representative and using that term for everybody to see is a completely different situation. I have facebook and I don’t even use the words gay and faggot because I don’t know if it would offend somebody who read it.
He might want to consider moving south
Lot’s of gay people in the NYC metro area. Alienating some of his constituency for sure.
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Let's see what we got here...
Falcons:" Poo birds"
Eagles: “gaybirds”
Cardinals: “Sad excuse of a bird”
Ravens: Dirty Birds
I think everyone should be bilateral coordinated.
Wasn't
the ‘dirty bird’ a Falcon RB’s touchdown dance like ten years ago?
by ChillBillinChina on Jan 17, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, “Dirty Bird” is a term associated with the Falcons.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Jan 17, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
This is why I like BGN
I think most blogs on sbnation.com wouldn’t covered this. Now Andyreidwasitline needs to photo shop this bastard.
I think everyone should be bilateral coordinated.
Should’ve said that his iphone autocorrected it from something else. That excuse I would buy.
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by youaretheman26 on Jan 17, 2012 12:44 PM EST reply actions
“My team isn’t going to bend over and take it like those other gay teams. I’m not trying to offend anybody though, because I have a lot of faggy friends”.
"I once had a friend named Charlie, and Charlie was always late to school
He had a black eye one day, but he wouldn’t say just what happened to him
Charlie got mad in class one day, and stood up with a .22 pistol
Told everybody that he couldn’t take it anymore, he was over being the victim"
Pulling this hateful shit on MLK day? sigh
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
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by KByars on Jan 17, 2012 1:17 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I paraphrase Eminem from "8 Mile"
to Assemblyman Mainor:
If we’re gay, you’re a faggot.
And yes this is Philly, you welcome to come check us
Bravo for BGN taking this well
i mean everyone, myself included says worse stuff every day. it’s still wrong but yeah…
The joke is
the mass amount of people who get offended by that shit.
Think about it this way
Mainor essentially used a slur to term something he deems as lesser than ideal. He terms the Eagles as “gaybirds”, insinuating that our team’s personality is akin to that of homosexuals, to whom he sees as inferior.
If this was some random kid on the BGN comments, its still offensive, but it won’t matter as much as a guy who is a freakin’ state representative.
Ok, how do you know he drew the connections to Gays being inferior. Like it or not the term gay is part of american venacular. Its meanings do not directly connect to societies views of what gays are like. Now as a politician, he shoul have known better. But you are infering what he meant, when truth be told I say to my friends all the time stop being gay. its the equivalent to teens and young adults saying dont be a chicken of the 1940’s and 50’s.
Just my opinion, but I think the word “gay” to some degree has become a generic slur/expletive that’s become separated from its definition as a synonym for “homosexual”.
The word “gay” isn’t a slur unless used as an insult. If say “My friend is gay” because he’s well…gay, that’s not insulting.
You probably don’t even think when you tell your friends “stop being gay”…it’s just kind of become a meaningless word. Within your group, probably nobody’s offended by it or thinks twice about what it really means.
Here, he uses the word “gay” in probably the same pejorative sense. The “gaybirds” are inferior to the Giants. I’m of the opinion that nobody should use the word “gay” or “homo” etc as an insult, and I had to wean myself of the habit once I learned that I had acquaintances and co-workers that were gay. This guy is a politician. He’s got to be much more careful with what he says.
by BrianS on Jan 17, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Also, this is not new. I used the term ‘gay’ as a child in the context you describe, long before I knew what it really meant. Certainly this person needs to know better, but think it is obvious his intent was not to slander homosexuals.
by captain nodar on Jan 17, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Because the context is still clearly there.
I said somewhere else that I use the term ‘gay’ with my friends all the time, but that’s because they’re my friends and we’re okay with that. But in no way am I going to use it with strangers. I’m not debating this on the issue that this guy was calling one of his friends gay in a private context. I’m pissed because he used it on a social media site, and while he probably didn’t mean to hurt the gay community by using it as a slur, it still is a serious issue. I think seeing it as “not a big deal” is hurtful to those that are affected by prejudice.
He did apologize about the whole thing, so at least I respect him for realizing that it was an issue. But he was a dick about it, saying he had relatives that were gay and that it was actually his friend that sent it. I don’t like the guy but at least he partially owned up.
Gay people won’t have to worry about people using them as insults if they just didn’t bother people with their effeminate, often times annoying and eccentric behavior and their in your face we’re here get used to it ways.
I’m not saying change the way you act to seem normal but come on… You’re giving your kind a bad name when you walk around with fishnet shirts and yell HELLOOOOO FABULICIOUS OMG.
Yeah, and we wouldn't have to worry about calling black people 'n---ers' if they stopped acting like hoodlums and don't listen to rap music
Do you realize how much of a bigoted asshole you sound like? I thought we lived in America where we were supposed to accept others as equal human beings.
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by Almightypudster on Jan 17, 2012 2:59 PM EST reply actions
He's a Giant fan...
What do you expect?
Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"
Combating homophobic slurs with stereotypes; I like it.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Jan 17, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
funny spuds funny
Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"
I like it
people need to be less sensitive.
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by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 17, 2012 4:22 PM EST reply actions
Seems to me it’s more of a “hate” message than anything else, but not a derogatory claim on sexual preferences. I’ve heard some of those in political offices say things to cheer on their teams, but not to say things in “hate” towards other teams. Any political advisors, would say it’s not the right approach in the public eyes. Gaybirds in Philly, is not a mistake, it’s a misdemeanor by a political candidate, apologetic or not he ain’t running for the next term (unless NJ residence herald his statement) at all.
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