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A couple of thoughts here


A - I'm sick of hearing of how the Eagles are just a pass, pass, pass team and everyone else runs a much more balanced attack. Yet, after watching the Patriots and Saints throw a million passes (Obviously NE ran more when they were up a lot), you never hear what a sissy unbalanced attack they have. Furthermore, I guarantee no New Orleans fan nor beat writer is going to say "Hey if we ran the ball with Sproles 5 more times the game we probably would've won."

B - I don't know how you can watch the Niners and not think the Eagles need MAJOR, MAJOR upgrades at line backers. These guys are big, fast, strong, and have good football instincts. They make plays laterally, north to south, and they can cover. They also forced quite a few turnovers and if SF had a better than just an "average" offense it really shouldn't have went the distance. How many times did they show a replay and Drew Brees had to throw to the ball away due to superior coverage not only by the safeties and corners, but by the line backers as well. Granted, the Saints got their yards and their big plays, but if you give Drew Brees 70 throws, that's bound to happen.

C - Speaking of offenses, in the NFC you NEED a big play offense. I know Philly is a blue collar town and much rather see the Steelers 90's smashmouth football compared to this finesse team... But you have Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers in your conference, you NEED to be able to score some points and make the big plays...Because if you don't, they will. Luckily for SF, they found a couple of big plays. On the other side you have Tom Brady, so if you want to get a ring you better be able to make the big plays.

D - Darren Sproles reminds me a lot of Brian Westbrook. Really under sized but a smart player and he needs special attention. Though, I think Brian Westbrook was better than Sproles, I also think Westbrook is better than McCoy. Maybe McCoy will go down as the better runner, but Westbrook was such a weapon. In 2006/2007 teams were just hoping that they could contain him to under 150 yards. In the 2004 Super Bowl, NE made sure that Westbrook was well covered and that he was contained in the run game. Even though the Eagles had Terell Owens, they focused much more on 36 than 81, hence the reason why Owens had a big game by catching everything underneath and making big plays. Westbrook won't ever have the stats, but he really was a HOF talent.

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McCoy’s rookie season I was like, “this dude might be as good as Westbrook someday”

Then, last year, I was like, “Wow, McCoy is almost as good as Westbrook.”

Then, this year, I was like, “McCoy is probably definitely better than Westbrook was.”

Nope.

by bigmeanie08 on Jan 15, 2012 12:16 PM EST reply actions  

McCoy is a fantastic back

What Westbrook could do was on a whole new level.

First, if Westbrook gets in the 2nd level, he’s gone. He was super patient with blocks, had tremendous vision, really smart player. Only fumbled the ball 3times in his career and one of the best pass blockers in the game as well.

How many times did Westbrook take a dump off and straight up win the game?

From 04 til about 07, it was LT and Westbrook as 1a and 1b, the most dangerous backs.

Teams don’t game plan for McCoy like they did Westbrook

JoeD AKA The Voice Of Reason

by Joe_D on Jan 15, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m a huge Westbrook fan, and I think he should go into the HOF. He won’t, but his stats surpass Gale Sayers’. Still, McCoy is on a path to be a better pure RB. He has more strength and durability than Westbrook, and that durability thing is huge. IMO Westy was a 9.5/10, and McCoy is a 9.7 (assuming he keeps this up). Both are insane players, and we’re lucky to have had a chance to watch them play.

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"i was never back on (the Eagles' bandwagon)… they’ll go 8-8 at best and Reid should be fired at the end of the season…. and all you loyalists will be crying your eyes out… and jumping off ledges cuz u didn’t see it coming" - Eagladelphia

by AnthroEagle on Jan 15, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Westbrook waas insanely fragile

And McCoy is definitely a stronger back, but Westbrook would literally account for 40% of our offense. He was a bigger “threat.” and while McCoy has the speed to take it all the way and he does, Westbrook could make 4 guys miss and take it to the house, which is something McCoy can’t quite do….

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by Joe_D on Jan 15, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Meh

Agree to disagree here. They’re both great, we can agree on that.

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by AnthroEagle on Jan 15, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Shady is a better pure runner. Westy was a better running back. Each is/was great at what they did. They just do/did different things for the team.

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by djthekidd on Jan 15, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

McCoy could make a lot of guys miss

maybe not 4 but at most 3 and with that speeed

But really lets just enjoy we had both back to back

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by Udalango on Jan 15, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

What the hell are you talking about? How does this make any sense in regards to my comment?

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by AnthroEagle on Jan 15, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

How dare you take joy in Westbrook or McCoy. You sir, must be a Cowboys fan in disguise.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
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by KByars on Jan 16, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm kinda confused now...

Turns out he also rec’d one of my comments. So his first two moves at BGN are to attack me and then rec one of my comments? I’m conflicted, what should I believe?!?!?!

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"i was never back on (the Eagles' bandwagon)… they’ll go 8-8 at best and Reid should be fired at the end of the season…. and all you loyalists will be crying your eyes out… and jumping off ledges cuz u didn’t see it coming" - Eagladelphia

by AnthroEagle on Jan 16, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Old people have good meds.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Jan 16, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

That makes more sense than anything I’ve been able to think of… Gotta get rid of that shit anyway.

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"i was never back on (the Eagles' bandwagon)… they’ll go 8-8 at best and Reid should be fired at the end of the season…. and all you loyalists will be crying your eyes out… and jumping off ledges cuz u didn’t see it coming" - Eagladelphia

by AnthroEagle on Jan 16, 2012 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

recd

totally agree. this makes sense to everything being discussed

claude giroux and shady mccoy. the future

by griffeagles on Jan 16, 2012 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, i remember the Westbrook era well

You’re absolutely right in that he was on a new level. I think he also benefited from being the only real threat offensively a lot of the years. You’re right that teams don’t gameplan for Shady the same way as they did for Westbrook, and it’s because they can’t. Not with Vick, DJax, Mac, and the other weapons on this team.

I also think McCoy is on that same level, if not a little higher. Right now, it’s AP and McCoy 1a and 1b, and I think that saying Westbrook was a top-2 threat for 4 seasons is maybe a little rose-tinted.

Does doing it when you’re oftentimes the only threat on the offense make it more impressive? Probably. But Shady has that same heart-stopping thing where you know he might score any time he touches the ball, and he’s a better pure runner. Agree with Anthro below, though, we’re incredibly lucky to have gotten to see them both in green.

Nope.

by bigmeanie08 on Jan 15, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't agree with your logic there

You’re saying Westbrook benefited from being the only threat? If anything, that makes it a lot tougher. If anything McCoy is benefiting from all the other talent. You can’t stack the box against him, and you have to play contain to stop Vick from killing you

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by Joe_D on Jan 15, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I was unclear

I should have said, “our opinions of him benefited over the years by virtue of the fact that he was the only real threat on our offense.”

Nope.

by bigmeanie08 on Jan 15, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I still disagree there

It’s like saying Adrian Peterson is over hyped because he’s been their only real threat over his tenure in Minnesota.

He was an elite back and he could burn you on the ground or in the air, which makes him a much bigger threat than McCoy

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by Joe_D on Jan 15, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally agree on Westbrook. To this day I swear if he played we beat Carolina in the 03 NFC Champ game.

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by vinniesdad on Jan 15, 2012 12:38 PM EST reply actions  

Fun fact.

I’m accumulating some stats from the Andy Reid tenure, and you can make the argument that our 2003 team was our greatest team. We went 5-1 against teams with winning records (6-2 incl. playoffs). The following year, our Super Bowl 13-3 year, we only played 3 winning teams during the regular season – went 2-1, 3-2 incl. playoffs.

A real shame Westy missed that game. Did McNabb get injured in that game, as well?

by Eagle Fly Free on Jan 15, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

That 2004 year, the three other teams in our division went 6-10. And usually, weak schedule = good record. The 2003 final wins/losses stats are, to me, more impressive.

by Eagle Fly Free on Jan 15, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

He did but he wasn't doing anything anyway

Our offense was done… Our D was dinged up also

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by Joe_D on Jan 15, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

The patriots and saints don’t have a runner like McCoy either, so if we throw a hundred times, our most dangerous weapon becomes nullified

by con-vick on Jan 15, 2012 12:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Our offense is full on young weapons

Again, I think McCoy is a fantastic running back. Our best weapon? Having a huge running game simply doesnt put a lot of points on the board and it never did

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by Joe_D on Jan 15, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Having a huge running game simply doesnt put a lot of points on the board and it never did

Whether that’s true or not, it’s pretty hard to argue against McCoy as our best weapon. He was the best player to wear an Eagles uniform this year IMO and I think a lot of other people’s opinions as well. Who else was consistently good week in and week out?

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by NOLACuse on Jan 16, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know how you can watch the Niners and not think the Eagles need MAJOR, MAJOR upgrades at line backers.

I think everybody on this site agrees that linebacker is our most important need. The problem is who do we take and when do we take them.

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by FloridaEagle on Jan 15, 2012 1:00 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, I don’t think the need to revamp the linebackers has been in doubt…

Let the beasting begin.

by TransplantedFan on Jan 16, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmm regarding the Saints/Patriots pass attack

I think people don’t badmouth it because their pass attack is so much more consistent and explosive than ours was this season. They run a million pass plays a game but come away with a score or huge gain more often than they don’t.
We had DeSean Jackson half assing routes and dropping TD passes, Maclin was consistent enough but neither of them were making the explosive plays we expected. Celek turned it on late. There just wasn’t enough consistency in my opinion. 22 receiving TD’s for us this season.
NE had 2 1000+ yard receivers and 1 900+ yard receiver with 39 TD’s on the season receiving.
NO also had 2 1000+ yard receivers and 46 TD’s receiving on the season.

With guys like Maclin, Jackson and Celek, you would think we could have had a passing season-statistically-close to that of the Patriots. We just didn’t perform well enough. You can’t knock their play calling. What they did worked as both teams ended up in the post season. We’re 4 missed tackles, 2 fumbles and 3 TD’s away from a playoff appearance basically but you really wouldn’t be able to knock those two teams for a “sissy unbalanced attack”
Don’t fix what isn’t broken.

by WarGeist on Jan 15, 2012 1:56 PM EST reply actions  

The problem is...

And I’m really sorry to say this, but the problem is Michael Vick.

Those passing attacks that Joe mentions are successful because Brady, Rodgers, and Brees are the elite of the elite. They can win without running games (well, usually). Vick is not that guy. I’d say that 2010 Vick was the anomaly and 2011 Vick was the regression to his mean.

by Eagle Fly Free on Jan 15, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha honestly

I’m glad you said it, because I didn’t want to open up that can of worms.
But you can’t put it ALL on Vick. I agree he hasn’t looked anything like he did in 2010 but it’s not ALL his fault. It just looked like no one was on the same page this season in the pass game

by WarGeist on Jan 15, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

This almost felt like 2005, a “lost year.” You can’t put all those INT on Vick. But we, as Eagle fans, can’t talk out of both sides of our mouth. We have to give Eli his props because last year, of his 25 Interceptions, something like 8-9 of them were due to receiver error (drops/tips). He’s back at his normal (17 or something?) this year.

by Eagle Fly Free on Jan 15, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll step in,,,

As Vick’s defender here. ;)

No I won’t freak out on you. I agree that Vick is not Rodgers, Brees, Brady – I do think he can be even more ‘effective’ over all though as a team component, and certainly more dynamic. 2010 was a special year, and he wasn’t at that level this year, but he certainly didn’t suck. Without the games out on injury, extrapolating out he’d definitely have thrown for over 4000+ and run for like ~750. Not bad. The 4th quarter hero wasn’t here this season, but with some more ball control, there’d definitely be nothing to complain about, and with some caught passes by receivers, well…

Anyway, 2012 will be a very big year in terms of seeing whether Vick can ascend back towards 2010’s passing stats, and whether the coaching staff and Vick himself find a balance/plan in terms of when to scramble, and when to stick in the pocket. This year I actually think they made him stay there too frequently when actually tuning loose and scrambling would have yielded more.

by EagleinDC on Jan 15, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

People have been complaining about it FOR YEARS

And last year we had the #1 or #2 offense

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by Joe_D on Jan 15, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

McCoy>Sproles=Westbrook

it’s unfair to compare Westy from the 2006/2007 team. Owens the best WR in eagles history, probably 3-5 best in NFL history was in his prime, McNabb was in his prime and Westy was in his. If teams didn’t double TO McNabb hit TO. If they doubled TO McNabb checked down to Westy. It was pick your poison.

At least one more year of Andy and Juan. If they don't win it all they both better be gone!

No way Eagles draft a LB in the first round 2012.

by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 15, 2012 3:55 PM EST reply actions  

Westbrook>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>…>>>>Sproles

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by AnthroEagle on Jan 15, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

agree to disagree

At least one more year of Andy and Juan. If they don't win it all they both better be gone!

No way Eagles draft a LB in the first round 2012.

by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 15, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

i said equal to

maybe slightly less but same type of back. My argument is if GB featured Sproles like the Eagles featured Westy they’re numbers would be similar. "If “if’s” were fifths…….I know. It’s just how I feel by watching their style of play and success per touch.

At least one more year of Andy and Juan. If they don't win it all they both better be gone!

No way Eagles draft a LB in the first round 2012.

by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 15, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

So so so so wrong

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by HawaiianGreen on Jan 16, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

This would be one hell of a feat:
if GB featured Sproles like the Eagles featured Westy

Considering Sproles plays for NO and all.

Also, I don’t agree. They are the same type of player, yes, but Westbrook was much better IMO.

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by NOLACuse on Jan 16, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

wow I totally f’ed that up.

At least one more year of Andy and Juan. If they don't win it all they both better be gone!

No way Eagles draft a LB in the first round 2012.

by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 16, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree srongly with item A

The Eagles ran one of the more balanced offenses of the league this year I felt, and it is definitely a pass-heavy league overall. On top of this, the Eagles offense is consistently near the top. The problem was turnovers this year, not any lack of production otherwise on the offense. To be blowing 4th quarter leads, it means you have 4th quarter leads.

by EagleinDC on Jan 15, 2012 4:02 PM EST reply actions  

By the way

Arian Foster is making a real case that he’s every big of McCoy and Peterson. Just look at his stats.

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by Joe_D on Jan 15, 2012 4:11 PM EST reply actions  

Foster played an incredible game, no doubt.

by EagleinDC on Jan 15, 2012 4:26 PM EST reply actions  

Top Running Backs in the League

I can think of six/seven who all have a claim to being a top-3 back. Off the top of my head: Arian Peterson, LeSean, Arian Foster, Ray Rice, Matt Forte, and Maurice Jones-Drew. Those are the best of the best, and I think that if LeSean continues to improve next year, and if the O-line gets consistency from a full offseason regimen, he could very well be the indisputable #1. Despite what someone said earlier about his lack of home-run potential (at least compared to Westbrook, which is admittedly a completely unfair comparison), he still led the league in runs of 20+ yards this year. I can’t wait to see him become a complete player in the coming years.

by Dave King on Jan 15, 2012 4:31 PM EST reply actions  

can't be considered

top of your position if you can’t play a full season ever. He has yet to play a full season and has only one 1,000 yards season.

At least one more year of Andy and Juan. If they don't win it all they both better be gone!

No way Eagles draft a LB in the first round 2012.

by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 15, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

As far as your point "B"

I’m with you. We need to bring in some top flight LB talent, fuck who we have if we can upgrade (which isn’t hard) then do so even if we have to cut Chaney, Fokou, Matthews, Rolle etc.. We have to get some real LB’s in here.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

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by wild_eagle on Jan 15, 2012 5:16 PM EST reply actions  

Trade all our late picks and draft keuchy Hightower and burfict lol

by iBLEEDGREEN#10 on Jan 15, 2012 5:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

You're not a bright one are you?

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

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by wild_eagle on Jan 15, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I was joking hence the lol but seriously a linebacker in the 1st and 3rd and we sign a vet we should be fine at lb

by iBLEEDGREEN#10 on Jan 15, 2012 6:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

A. I’m sick of hearing you complain about people complaining about employing a balanced attack.
B. Yes, obviously.
C. Yes, you need to be able to make big plays. You also need to be able to control the clock and protect leads.
D. It’s a little too early in McCoy’s career to start trying to decide who is the better of the two. McCoy is the better runner. Westbrook might be the better receiver. Westy had the disadvantage of having entire defenses focused on him, but McCoy has more competition for targets.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
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by KByars on Jan 15, 2012 6:35 PM EST reply actions  

i dont care what you're sick of me of

Did you not see the stats? I’m revered here

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by Joe_D on Jan 15, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Good for you and your alt accounts.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Jan 15, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

A – Amen. The run/pass ratio obsession is my biggest peeve.

B – Yea, and to think the Eagles put up 500 yards on them and still managed to blow the game. All the more reasons to be pissed off about this season.

C – Some people just want to see runs regardless of what happens. “It’s not about yards, it’s about attempts.” Whatever, retards…

D – It’s hard to choose between BWest and McCoy. BWest was such a great receiver out of the backfield and that helped the offense a lot. People complained for years about the lack of superstar receivers… but they forget that we had the #2 offense in the league in 06, in large part due to BWest and 3 solid #2 WR’s. McCoy is probably the better runner. I still have bad dreams about BWest getting TFL on short yardage and goal-line plays over and over. Not that McCoy never fails, but he seems to fail less often.

by MikeCampy on Jan 15, 2012 8:43 PM EST reply actions  

I’d just like to say that if the Giants and Pats need to be eliminated next week. I HATE BOTH OF THOSE FUCKING TEAMS SO MUCH I CAN’T EVEN EXPLAIN IT!

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by immynimmy on Jan 15, 2012 10:23 PM EST reply actions  

The Saints and Packers have NO run game and they got elimated. You can pass all you want in the regular season, but in the playoffs it’s a different story. Also, the Pats beat the freaking Broncos. You can’t make any sources to that game cause the Broncos suck.

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by immynimmy on Jan 15, 2012 10:25 PM EST reply actions  

So you’re suggesting it was the lack of running that cost them the game? Not turnovers, drops or the other team’s defense?

by MikeCampy on Jan 15, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Erm...

Saints had 5 turnovers, Texans had 4, Packers had 5. Texans also outplayed the Ravens for stretches of that game.

by Eagle Fly Free on Jan 15, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

The Giants had the 32nd ranked rush offense in the regular season.

In today’s game, they had 325 passing yards and 95 rushing yards. The Packers had 147 rush yards.

I’m guessing you still think the Giants win was about rushing???

by MikeCampy on Jan 15, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Rushing was not the reason the Saints lost that game.

In fact, that Saints game played out like a microcosm of the Eagles season: turnovers, blown leads, poor defensive playcalling, poor defensive execution, and TE’s running roughshod.

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by NOLACuse on Jan 16, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Passing Attempts.

This is re:A. I’ve finished compiling my “Eagles, Through the Years” database of stats for a FanPost (probably tomorrow, since I have off), so I want to give a sneak peak, as it were, since it’s relevant.

Year – Rank by # of Pass Attempts

1999 – 31
2000 – 7
2001 – 18
2002 – 18
2003 – 25
2004 – 9
2005 – 3
2006 – 8 *
2007 – 7
2008 – 4
2009 – 12
2010 – 11
2011 – 13

So people who claim that we pass too much are actually entirely off base. It’s a passing league, and I know people hate seeing that. Now, that is not total dropbacks (att + sacks), and my assumption is that our rankings would creep up a little (48 sacks in 2010!), but it is not as out of whack as, say, the Saints or the Patriots. But then again, Brees, Brady…

  • FWIW, 2006, Mornhinweg’s first year as OC, was our best year in terms of passing efficiency (Y/A, Passer Rating). Even better than the Super Bowl year.

by Eagle Fly Free on Jan 15, 2012 10:55 PM EST reply actions  

It's different situations

Westbrook for the most part was the Eagles biggest threat. Other then the years TO was on the team who else did the Eagles have on offense? They didn’t really have anyone that I can really remember. So he got most of the offensive calls. AR game planned to get him the ball a lot.

The Eagles now have McCoy, Jackson, Maclin, Celek and at QB the best QB in the history of football at making something out of nothing. So their are more threats on the team now then when Westbrook was playing. So now plays are getting drawn up for everyone, not just one guy like when Westy was playing.

Again I could be completely forgetting someone here and I don’t really have the time to look up rosters from the Westbrook years. But compared to the other options on this team McCoy is putting up crazy numbers when you take in the other weapons on this team.

by slandog on Jan 16, 2012 1:01 PM EST reply actions  

Mccoy is getting way more touches than Westbrook

and Westbrook was such a force in the pass game, how could you not dial up 8-10 plays for that? If Mccoy were the WR threat he was, he would totally get those calls too.

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by Joe_D on Jan 16, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure about that

We now have WR’s that can make a play with the ball in their hands. Back when Westy played he WAS the offense. Other then the one year that TO actually suited up, Westbrook was really the only threat we had on offense. Why would AR dial up called passing plays for McCoy when we have Maclin, Jackson, Avant and Celek? Once in a while, sure, but not with the regularity that Wesbrook got called pass plays. McCoy is used much more as a runner than Westbrook so giving him the extra hits on called pass plays isn’t the smartest move.

McCoy is a pretty good receiver in his own right. I don’t think he is as good as Westbrook, but I also don’t think that Westbrook is nearly as good as a runner as McCoy. McCoy can stretch it out and get outside and he can run between the tackles. Westbrook could stretch it out, but his running between the tackles, although was OK it isn’t up to what McCoy can do already in his young career.

by slandog on Jan 17, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

The difference is New Orleans and New England have record setting one-of-a-kind quarterbacks while we have a record setting one-of-a-kind running back who can break one at any point in the game. Especially when we were using Vince Young at QB and basically throwing the ball enough times for VY to actually get 400 yards passing in a game even though it came on like 50 attempts.

by fhqwagads on Jan 17, 2012 1:14 PM EST reply actions  

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