Asante Samuel Had A Productive 2011 Season
by JasonB on Jan 13, 2012 1:00 PM EST
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PrintAsante Samuel has his problems, we all know them. But he does do one thing really well, cover receivers. This is something that started before the 2010 season. Asante always had this reputation as a "gambler" who sells out for picks, but gets burned because he jumps routes too often. But over the past 2.5 years at least, he's been shutting WRs down. In 2010, he ranked as one of the best cover corners charted by PFF and was also rated amongst the best this season.
- When targeting Samuel this season, QBs had 52.4 rating, which is lowest of any corner other than Darrelle Revis.
- QBs completed just 47.5% of throws at Asante, the 7th best mark in the league for a corner.
In all likelihood, this was Asante's last season as Eagle. And while we certainly won't miss his "tackling," he has been one of the best cover corners in the leauge over the last two seasons and at least that element of his game will be missed.
On another note, do you know who is terrible? Aaron Ross of the New York Giants. Opposing QBs completed 67.9% of passes thrown his way, 6th worst in the leauge. He gave up 811 yards, the 9th worst mark in the league (Tramon Williams of the Packers was the worst with 1034 yards) and opposing QBs had a rating of 102.8 when throwing his way, 10th worst in the NFL.
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he can't tackle?!?!
Last corner was Sheldon Brown who couldn’t cover, but could hit. There is no perfect Corner in the game! I’ll take Samuel hands down. The good with the bad. Eagles want See A better corner for years to come,when he’s gone.just Watch!!
by pragit on Jan 13, 2012 1:08 PM EST via Android app reply actions 1 recs
I'd say that Revis can do both
so can J. Joseph. I’m sure a few other can do pretty good in both categories, just don’t have time to really check it out.
Agreed.
I think with DRC and NA running the corners next year with a full off-season and playing in their proper roles, we’ll have two great corners. Keeping Asante and DRC was just trying to bash a square peg into a round hole.
If putting DRC in the nickel is bashing a square peg into a round hole, then putting him on the outside is putting a square peg in a hexagonal hole. It will fit in some respects, but don’t expect it to be airtight.
Not really
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by Clint Eastwood on Jan 13, 2012 5:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This is true, but for the most part I would have to agree with pragit. There’s only a handful of “perfect” corners in the game. The fact that there are a few of these “perfect” guys doesn’t make Asante any less elite.
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by philiafan14364 on Jan 13, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Uh..
Sheldon Brown could cover.
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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 14, 2012 6:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I.E
Our run to the NFC Championship in 2008 season Sheldon Brown gave up 0 passing TDs all season until he gave one up to Fitz in the championship game
by insaneeaglesfanatic on Jan 14, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Sheldon Brown...
Could definitely cover…..
by insaneeaglesfanatic on Jan 14, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
ok
So can trades happen in the NFL right now? Also when can tags be applied?
by VRFC8 on Jan 13, 2012 1:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Nope, season is still going on. Idk when trades are allowed again, but I know it can’t happen til after the super bowl.
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Tramon Williams = one year wonder?
That guy was tremendous last year. I thought he was a major steal for the Packers. But now that doesn’t seem to be true.
my thoughts exactly. I knew that the Packers secondary was atrocious but never really looked into who the culprits were.. Guess this answers my question. Shouldn’t really come as a huge surprise tho, right? I mean the Packers were much better at pressuring the QB last year, so its not a stretch to assume that his break out could be largely attributed to the pass rush. Also, I believe he’s like 28? Players who just begin to hit their strides in the NFL after their 5th – 6th season are few and far between.
Please ASANTE !!!! Ask for a pay cut and stick it out with us!!!!!!!!
Money isnt everything!
"Obviously, I lobbied for him to be here. But what a difference a year makes." -- Donovan McNabb
hahaha
Come on we all know asante better than that to think he would ever take a pay cut
by VRFC8 on Jan 13, 2012 1:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
im just askin.
"Obviously, I lobbied for him to be here. But what a difference a year makes." -- Donovan McNabb
by thePurpleLion on Jan 13, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Do we?
Not many people ask for pay cuts as it is, and I think our perception of Asante is tainted by him going for picks sometimes.
Do we really know what Asante the person is like?
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by philiafan14364 on Jan 13, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
im pretty sure this is the exact reason he left ne.
They wanted him for a bargain but he wanted the big payday
by VRFC8 on Jan 13, 2012 4:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Most players do…
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by philiafan14364 on Jan 13, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
FWIW:
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Jan 13, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Numbers game
Dominique, Nnamdi, and Asante are all cover corners. The experiment of using Dominique to cover the slot receiver failed. If Joselio Hanson can do something better than you can, that means you weren’t doing a good job of it.
So somebody is obviously on the way out, and numbers, policy, and logic all say it’s the guy who wasn’t brought here at the start of this season.
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umm... Nnamdi is a man press corner not cover ... that was the problem this year.
There was way too much salary preference taken on the roster this year. Put players that are good at what they do in better positions …. For example… Asante is a cover corner… put him at the slot and put Nnamdi and DRC on the outside playing press coverage. But because Asante makes too much, they wont put him in the slot. Same with Vince Young. He made too much money to be the #3 when Kafka clearly out performed him in the preseason.
"Obviously, I lobbied for him to be here. But what a difference a year makes." -- Donovan McNabb
by thePurpleLion on Jan 13, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
But because Asante makes too much, they wont put him in the slot.
Disagree with this. They won’t put him in the slot because he can’t tackle TEs, and/or because his ego wouldn’t like that.
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I agree the lack of tackling and lack of humility were also factors … I still say VY should have been #3.
"Obviously, I lobbied for him to be here. But what a difference a year makes." -- Donovan McNabb
by thePurpleLion on Jan 13, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
I said VY should be the 3 from the start
Kafka knows the system much better, and overall I just had more faith in Kafka than VY.
yes, I beleive when "his" WR was lined up there.
"Obviously, I lobbied for him to be here. But what a difference a year makes." -- Donovan McNabb
by thePurpleLion on Jan 13, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
hansen is a very good slot defender....
Rodgers and nnamdi should never be anywhere but outside. Both are long and tall, not suited for traffic in the middle of the field.
by VRFC8 on Jan 13, 2012 2:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed.
"Obviously, I lobbied for him to be here. But what a difference a year makes." -- Donovan McNabb
by thePurpleLion on Jan 13, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
His go-to phrase is "Get money".
He’s gone.
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what the hell
I thought spags would be in philly by Friday?? You mean laconfora lied to me!!!!! A national writer made a wild speculation!!!!! What is going on?!?!?!
by VRFC8 on Jan 13, 2012 2:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yeah !!!! Get em!!!!
"Obviously, I lobbied for him to be here. But what a difference a year makes." -- Donovan McNabb
by thePurpleLion on Jan 13, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
patrick peterson looked pretty terrible this year
at least from the charts
he wasn't that bad at CB..
Did you see his kick returns for TD’s??
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by greenbean#twoOH on Jan 13, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
From what I've gathered he was bad in the early part of the year
but then improved significantly as the season went on. Rookie CB’s often struggle early on. Besides, his kr/pr ability was off the charts. That alone won the Cards a few games down the stretch
If money wasn't an issue
I would honestly keep Asante over Nnamdi
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Namdey Asomgua sucks.We should have signed Antoneo Cromote so he could have taught his brother, cousin, son or however they are related how to play in teh slotz.I also h8 his nice guy act. I herd he blows through teh hoes faster than runningbacks thru our dfense.
by Snax on Oct 5, 2011 11:02 AM PDT
Fear Tebus(Tim 3:16)!!!
by HawaiianGreen on Jan 13, 2012 2:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I would too.
"Obviously, I lobbied for him to be here. But what a difference a year makes." -- Donovan McNabb
by thePurpleLion on Jan 13, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Keep asante over nnamdi that is.
"Obviously, I lobbied for him to be here. But what a difference a year makes." -- Donovan McNabb
by thePurpleLion on Jan 13, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Trade Scenario
What is the consensus on what we could or should get for Asante? And while I am at it, a franchisetagged Desean?
Does anyone think its possible that we trade both Desean and Asante for two 2’s? I mean that would give u FOUR 2nd round picks.
no ...
asante is slated to make too much money for a team to pay us for him AND pay his contract. His contract can be reworked i suppose, but that can be done here too.
DeSean – Dont want him to go anywhere but he is not worth the money he is asking for. A franchised DeSean could probably get a 2nd rder.
"Obviously, I lobbied for him to be here. But what a difference a year makes." -- Donovan McNabb
by thePurpleLion on Jan 13, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Does Asante really cost too much to get a good pick?
Not sure how accurate this information is (weird ad warning too), but it says that Asante is the 7th highest paid corner in the NFL. I think Asante is probably one of the top 10 CBs in the NFL, and probably top 7, so while his contract is high, its not absurd in context. Eagles cap has Samuel’s cap hit at $9.5 million next year, which still isn’t top 5 at the position. Basically, from what I can tell, Asante is essentially on a market rate contract, and given the fact that a lot of teams need secondary help, I don’t think its unreasonable to expect a 2nd round pick in a trade.
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I also want to add that AS has been a top flight corner for years and any team that is willing to take on, or renegotiate his contract will be getting a player that they can count on, not a young player with upside, a reliable veteran presence that a young and competitive team such as Detroit needs.
Asante is staying.
He is the heart of our Defense. He brings that swagger. He’s playing well all around.
So was Dawk
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Sheldo and Lito were very good all-around corners
Nnamdi is great in man but can’t play zone, Asante is the reverse. he hurt this defense because his lack of press ability limited the amount of press-man they could play as a defense.
We were better off with 2 versatile corners rather than specialists on each side…
AIBTA
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Namdey Asomgua sucks.We should have signed Antoneo Cromote so he could have taught his brother, cousin, son or however they are related how to play in teh slotz.I also h8 his nice guy act. I herd he blows through teh hoes faster than runningbacks thru our dfense.
by Snax on Oct 5, 2011 11:02 AM PDT
Fear Tebus(Tim 3:16)!!!
by HawaiianGreen on Jan 13, 2012 6:34 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I like it.
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by AnthroEagle on Jan 13, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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