Seriously?

"According to a national telephone survey conducted by Poll Position, 43 percent of people believe that "divine intervention" is responsible for his (Tebow's) success compared to 42 percent of people surveyed who think that God has nothing to do with Tebow winning."

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Seems like the idiots are balanced out pretty evenly on both sides, what’s the problem ?

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by Eagladelphia on Jan 12, 2012 10:59 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

How so when the slightest majority of believers actually outnumbers the rationale/sane people?

by MG77 on Jan 12, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions

Either side can argue that they are the sane ones, that’s what makes them both idiotic.

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by Eagladelphia on Jan 12, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions

So you believe that God\Jesus\Holy Spirit or whatever helps Tebow to win certain football games and not others? Yes I do think someone who honestly believes this irrational at best and at worst bat-shit crazy.

by MG77 on Jan 13, 2012 12:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

It’s immaterial if it’s actually true or not, but you have to applaud the guy’s faith and belief system, which in his eyes is the basis of his strength, resolve and being and he does not fail to acknowledge that whenever he gets the chance to do so. Now if you’re asking if God helps Tim Tebow is different from asking if God exists or not, to aske if God helps Tebow is to presume the assumption of God, so I ask you if you believe there is a God.

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by Eagladelphia on Jan 13, 2012 2:14 AM EST up reply actions

simply put

Tebow believes in god. It is what shapes his personality and actions. So yes tebow does have divine intervention in a sense. But do 43% of people really think god is influencing football…come on. I have a Muslim wife and I’m catholic. But we both believe in god and understand each others faiths…which really aren’t that different. Muslim are just a lot more strict and don’t really believe in the idea of forgiveness.

by VRFC8 on Jan 13, 2012 8:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

Faith does not equal divine intervention in any sense and there is no serious established Christian religion that would try to make that argument.

by MG77 on Jan 13, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions

what?

Divine intervention certainly can be faith. Faith which inspires great acts.

by VRFC8 on Jan 13, 2012 1:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

This question has nothing to due with Tebow’s faith. I am completely indifferent to whether a player is very religious or not & whether they think that helps them to achieve more success on the field. If they think that way, good for them.

The question to people was whether they think “divine intervention” was helping Tebow somehow directly to achieve success on the field. It wasn’t asking about Tebow’s faith or how that helped him succeed.

I would have thought it would have been in the 20ish percentile (significant minorities of Americans are bat-shit crazy on various items and you would 20ish percent responding yes to some of the most outlandish questions) but I was surprised it was 43 percent.

by MG77 on Jan 13, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions

But if you’re asking if “divine intervention” helps Tebow, you’re assuming that people believe in divine intervention.

If there is some form of divine power in this world, if we can agree to that, then that divine power can help anybody, in any situation as needed, it doesn’t exclude any situation in life, including something as small as winning a football game.

Now if you don’t believe in the presence of a divine power, then believing in divine intervention becomes impossible. So the question really should be, “Is there something like divine intervention,” and if there is then you can say that divine intervention can help any person in any situation, no matter how big or small, as long as that person truly believes in it.

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by Eagladelphia on Jan 14, 2012 5:42 AM EST up reply actions

Most of us live in the north so we forget that America is still one of the most religious countries in the world.

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by AnthroEagle on Jan 12, 2012 11:06 PM EST reply actions

Even if you do believe in God, do you really think God is gonna help Tebow instead of, say, starving children in Africa?

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by immynimmy on Jan 12, 2012 11:06 PM EST reply actions

God is a multi-tasker… duh !

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by Eagladelphia on Jan 12, 2012 11:39 PM EST up reply actions

Considering only one of those two thing is happening, he is failing pretty badly at that.

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by Imp on Jan 13, 2012 1:21 AM EST up reply actions

He should have a better completion rate if God is helping him, unless God only cares about wins and losses.

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by Eagladelphia on Jan 13, 2012 2:19 AM EST up reply actions

God certainly has enough time on his hands to give AIDS to babies in Africa and help the Broncos win football games. And he even has time to throw in other wonders…like an earthquake in Japan…or giving cancer to people…

by Clyde Simmons 96 on Jan 14, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions

Ah but...

Your statement implies God has a limit to his capabilities. Can God create an object so heavy even he can’t lift it?

If so, can Apollo creed lift it?

by IwearNumber20 on Jan 13, 2012 2:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

christianity, where tebow is top priority

As someone that doesnt follow christianity (im jewish) i think its greatly discouraging the way his religion is reveled by the media and understandingly ill-intentioned by tim himself. We have had three uber-religious players, avant, white and dawkins but i feel their use of religion didnt make it seem like it was all about them and even inspired me to be more into my own faith. They are/were religious but didnt let it evovle into a “hey look at me thing.” I dont think tebow intentionally does but fans and media act like hes a cult leader. I understand people are fans but if you believe in god, youd rather have him help the broncos instead of cure aids or cancer? I am a diehard like most on here, but thats honestly stupid thinking. Kind of like making an offensive line coach a defensive coordinator or giving hue jackson player personnel power.

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by NJEagle on Jan 13, 2012 1:25 AM EST via mobile reply actions

I dont think tebow intentionally does

Oh, he knows what he is doing, there’s nothing unintentional about it.

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by Eagladelphia on Jan 13, 2012 2:17 AM EST up reply actions

Hahaha. Oh god… Religion is so fucking insane.

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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 13, 2012 1:30 AM EST reply actions

thats why I take no part in it! :)

by P_Roach17 on Jan 13, 2012 1:54 AM EST up reply actions

It’s the opium of the people, as someone famous has said before.

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by Eagladelphia on Jan 13, 2012 2:18 AM EST up reply actions

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by greenbean#twoOH on Jan 13, 2012 8:48 AM EST up reply actions

On this issue, absolutely. Irony is in all of the skits/jokes about Tebow & God/divine intervention recently (including the SNL) one is that it actually mirrors how a sizable number of Americans seriously think about this while watching the game. Its pretty crazy.

by MG77 on Jan 13, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions

See, that is the type of bullshit ignorance that they say all religious people have. I don’t knock you for not believing in God, so don’t knock me for believing in him.

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by DickMuffin on Jan 13, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs

No its ok for them to do it to us, but if we called them non believers and said they were gonna go to Hell, we are religious freaks….

by VRFC8 on Jan 14, 2012 8:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

This isn’t asking someone if they believe in God or organized religion. Completely different issue.. Just if God is somehow helping Tebow directly on the field. It is part of what makes him such a polarizing and interesting figure to people who could care less about pro football.

by MG77 on Jan 14, 2012 10:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

I’m not talking about that, I’m talking about djf’s comment on religion in general.

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by DickMuffin on Jan 14, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions

I always thought religion was the awareness of the feeling of contact with the universe and life, which is ultimately a mystery.

The myths that people all over the world have invented originally were ways of bringing about a substitute contact with those deep feelings.

Really nothing insane about that.

The misuse of those myths by those who have wanted to dominate others and the incapability of the masses to resist that tyranny that , through the course of thousands of years, brings about the insanity. People are , to a lesser or greater degree, out of contact with true religious feeling.

by waterfield on Jan 13, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

Wow, like it, I’m a waterfield fan after that.

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by Eagladelphia on Jan 14, 2012 5:18 AM EST up reply actions

Oh, absolutely. Religion served as a way to rationalize our existence and to explain phenomena that otherwise could not be explained.

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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 14, 2012 6:23 AM EST up reply actions

so true

The purest form of Christianity was right after Jesus’ death. The apostles would gather with their families and some friends have dinner drink wine and talk about all the amazing thing he did. They would just sit and talk for hours about how they should follow him to live a good life. No real rituals except prayer. The bringing together of people for life discussions is what Christianity is all about. St. Augustine did a lot of research on the development of the catholic church.

by VRFC8 on Jan 14, 2012 8:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

The purest form of Christianity was right after Jesus’ death.

Yeah. It all got fucked up when he turned into a zombie. It’s just like on the Walking Dead — when they turn into a walker you need to blow their fucking brains out ASAP.

by Clyde Simmons 96 on Jan 14, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions

43 percent of people believe that “divine intervention” is responsible for his (Tebow’s) success

Just to play devil’s advocate here, “divine intervention” is a really vague term. That could mean anywhere from “Tebow is God/Jesus incarnate” to “Tebow’s faith compels him to never stop trying.” I can buy the latter argument, although who know how many people lean much closer to the former…

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by AnthroEagle on Jan 13, 2012 1:13 PM EST reply actions

im sorry but mg77, the ultimate authority on religion

Says that no Christian religion would consider faith to be considered divine intervention….

by VRFC8 on Jan 13, 2012 1:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

Hmm, I see that. I guess my religious studies professor lied to me.

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by AnthroEagle on Jan 13, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions

mine too!!!!

It’s a conspiracy!!!!

by VRFC8 on Jan 13, 2012 1:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

You both have really crappy religious study teachers then:

Divine intervention – “a miracle caused by a god’s active involvement in the human world.”

Faith – “Confidence or trust in a person or entity/god”

by MG77 on Jan 13, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions

define a miracle first of all

a miracle can be the literal definition laid down by the church of recognized miracles performed by Jesus and saints. But a miracle can also be personal. A miracle for a person could be overcoming drug addiction or surviving a car crash. Secondly the holy spirit is active in all believers, people of faith, and if you believe in the trinity doctrine the holy spirit, god, and Jesus are all the same being. So through the holy spirit god performs miracles. Someone filled with the holy spirit is capable of performing gods miracles. Thus tebow is guided by divine intervention, holy spirit.

Seriously dude just stop, I went to a catholic Hs and college. I am a person of faith and I am not a “nut job”. But I will take offense to someone questioning our intelligence.

by VRFC8 on Jan 13, 2012 7:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

Fine ask your priest/bishop is the Catholic Chuch classifies routine faith vs a miracle by divine intervention and if Tebow is winning due to divine intervention due to the holy trinity. Besides thinking it is a really foolish question he will likely correct you on the dogma of the Catholic Church on this issue. Yeah if you really believe that God is directly helping Tebow through manipulation of physical effects on the playing field I think that puts you in the nut job category and so would any physicist or rationale person.

by MG77 on Jan 13, 2012 10:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

Just stop. You are assuming that divine intervention is only a physical miracle. It is not. It can be interpreted in many different ways as I said above. It can be something as simple as a feeling to turn left instead of right and you miss being in a 10 car pile up. And seriously ass clown stop calling people nut jobs when you don’t even understand what you are talking about. You clearly don’t believe in a god so stop trying to put down people who do. And just to be clear here I have a bs in civil engineering and my pe. So I would wager my understanding of the physical world and physics far out weighs your own.

by VRFC8 on Jan 14, 2012 8:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

a question for you

What does it take for a non martyr to become canonized? That’s right a miracle. So right there proves the church accepts that god can perform miracles through a human being. Furthermore god can work around nature or through it. Working through it means through people. I really think you are confusing divine intervention with an act of god.

by VRFC8 on Jan 14, 2012 8:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

Just look at what the Catholic Church requires before it declares something a miracle including the myriad of physical evidence. I could care less if Tebow has faith or if that makes him a better player or not. There is no way to really objectively measure or analyze this one way of another. This is kind of an open-ended question because of how people define divine intervention but the point is there are tons of people who likely think God is helping Tebow win through physical manifestation whether through him or manipulating other things directly. Yeah I think these people are pretty wacko who think that.

by MG77 on Jan 14, 2012 10:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

One is clearly active and involves the direct intervention of God in human events. There is no religious scholar that you could find that would equate faith with a divine act of intervention in human affairs.

by MG77 on Jan 13, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions

Do you think the people surveyed opened up their dictionaries to make sure they were using the “right” definition? No. The people who believe that Tebow’s religious beliefs make him a better player voted for the first option and those who don’t voted for the second.

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by AnthroEagle on Jan 13, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions

This response shows how little you understand faith and the bible. You can not read the bible as literal definitions. Similarly you can not define a miracle or divine intervention as one thing. To some these are physical events but to others it is the feeling of the holy spirit guiding you in your life. Brought on by a faith and belief in god.

by VRFC8 on Jan 13, 2012 7:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

The people that think it helps him win games are dumb… but the 3:16 thing was eerie, check out Schefter’s tweet about it today… there was like 6 different stats from the game that were 316

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by Djax10 on Jan 13, 2012 6:53 PM EST reply actions

Coincidences are still coincidences.

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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 13, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions

I could see if just his pass yards was 316 or maybe 1 other stat but there’s like 6 of them… it’s insane

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by Djax10 on Jan 14, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions

No, it’s a series of coincidences that have absolutely nothing to do with God because A. there is no God and B. If there is, I highly doubt he gives a shit about a Denver Broncos football game.

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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 14, 2012 1:32 AM EST up reply actions

What’s your definition of God ?

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by Eagladelphia on Jan 14, 2012 5:33 AM EST up reply actions

An all powerful being who is the creator of life.

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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 14, 2012 6:20 AM EST up reply actions

Is it a being (like a person) or a force ?

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by Eagladelphia on Jan 14, 2012 6:45 AM EST up reply actions

I don’t know but the way that God is talked about, it would clearly be cognizant of what it was doing.

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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 14, 2012 7:22 AM EST up reply actions

The Force is real. I saw a whole bunch of movies about it — it flows within us, and guides our actions, etc., etc.

by Clyde Simmons 96 on Jan 14, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions

I think that a lot of the responses about “divine intervention” are not so much “Tebow is God reincarnated” but more “lol Tebow sucks there’s no other explanation.”

Unless 43% of those polled really are that dumb.

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by alcatraz0109 on Jan 13, 2012 9:40 PM EST reply actions

This is very true as well. A lot of the people probably thought that same thought. And after all my defending of all those people, I have to say I think tebow uses his faith to just work harder than everybody else and he never allows himself to give up. That is why he wins.

by VRFC8 on Jan 14, 2012 8:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions