Am I the only one that is mortified about the offensive line?
by BrandonB on Sep 9, 2011 10:16 AM EDT
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Take a look at Vick's stats for the preaseason:
Vick: 52.8% completion, 219 yds passing, 1 TD passing, 3 ints (should be 4), 2 sacks, 45.9 rate, 27 yds rushing, 4.5 ypc, 1 rushing TD, 2 fum
I know its only preaseason and the sample size is small but every stat is significantly worse than what he did last season, and anyone watching the games can tell you the upheavel in the offensive line is a major cause for it. The current line configuration has 3 new starters (1 rookie, 1 free agent, and now 1 guy cut from another team I believe) and 1 returning starter playing a new position which as a unit have played 0 season/preaseason snaps together. I don't doubt Howard Mudd but offensive line continuity has a definite correlation with offensive success (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/extra-points/2010/offensive-line-continuity-scores) and its showing majorly in preseason, as he's been shuffling the line around every game. I really hope the shuffling stops after Week 1 but that may be too much to ask. For comparison here is what other top QBs did in preseason this year:
Rodgers: 78.7%, 395 p. yds, 4 pass TDs, 0 int , 6 sacks, 130.1 rate, 18 yds rushing, 6.0 ypc, 0 rushing TD, 0 fum
Rivers: 68.9%, 377 p. yds, 4 pass TDs, 1 int , 1 sacks, 114.8 rate, 0 yds rushing, 0 ypc, 0 rushing TD, 0 fum
Brady: 56.0%, 379 p. yds, 3 pass TDs, 1 int , 3 sacks, 92.0 rate, 6 yds rushing, 6 ypc, 0 rushing TD, 1 fum
Brees: 56.1%, 304 p. yds, 0 pass TDs, 0 int , 1 sacks, 79.7 rate, 0 yds rushing, 0 ypc, 0 rushing TD, 1 fum
Big Ben: 67.7%, 361 p. yds, 4 pass TDs, 0 int , 5 sacks, 146.6 rate, 8 yds rushing, 8.0 ypc, 0 rushing TD, 0 fum
Again I know its only preaseason, but all these other guys look light years ahead of Vick and none of their O-line's are being reconstructed to the extent of the Eagles (every single one of them is replacing 0 or 1 starters) . I dont ever remember an Andy Reid Eagles line with this much uncertainty going into a season. Am I overreacting? Please tell me I am, otherwise this could be a long season for Michael Vick.
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Am I the only one that is extremely concerned about the offensive line?
Yes. You are the only person to voice this concern.
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by AnthroEagle on Sep 9, 2011 11:07 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Take a look at Vick's preseason performance last year
Preseason is a time to test things that typically won’t work in a regular season environment.
If offensive line is our biggest weakness by this much, we’re going to be a hell of a team. If you don’t believe me, look at the Steelers.
Vick had 2s and 3s blocking for him in preseason last year, then had 1s blocking for him in the regular season. You can’t compare playing with 2s and 3s to playing with the first team.
Vick also had 2’s and 3’s trying to stop him.
"you cannot think this 6-foot man is going to survive a full season if defenses have 904 chances to knock his block off"
by EaglesandRavensFan on Sep 9, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
No,
But, I don’t think they will be as bad as people are thinking.
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
Oh my god
our offensive line has some holes?! When did this happen?!!!
A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week-Patton
I would go to battle any time with these guys-MV7
The OL isn't as bad as everybody's making it seem.
It’s going to be better than last years.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
That's not saying much but it's something to hang on to.
At least we know that the line is likely to get better as the season goes on, unlike last year’s one.
Why are you comparing preseason stats? These games count for nothing! And they don’t reflect regular season offensive/defensive strategies at all.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
Yes but 1s vs 1s can still be a decent indicator how a team is gelling so far going into the season. I would even say the offense should have the advantage because d-coord’s do not want to show anything. It’s not like the players are saying its only preseason, I’m not going to run/block/throw etc. They are still exerting effort and treating it as a real game to get them mentally ready for the season, just on a smaller scale.
Sorry but as soon as I saw stats for the pre-season
I stopped reading…..
Do you not remember Vicks atrocious numbers in pre-season last year? nough said….
FLY #7 FLY !!!
hahaha WHAT? So doing shitty against 2s and 3s is better than doing shitty against 1s?? Sorry but you’ve lost all credibility.
FLY #7 FLY !!!
Please, when has Vick ever been good during the preseason.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Yeah Brandon, you're the only one
Sorry but numbers aren’t very reflective of what’s really going on…not PS numbers anyway. Wait and see. The least you can do is watch the first real game before you freak out.
Fly Eagles Fly and watch the cowgirls cry.
by MV, add the P on Sep 9, 2011 11:56 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Concerned? Yes. Mortified? No.
We have much better pieces in place this year, but it will take some time for everything to gel. New scheme, lots of new players and a shitted-up off-season will definitely make the early going rough, but once adjusted, we should have a solid unit.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
HIs stats were better than they were last preseason werent they?
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Sure you can. His numbers were worse against less competition.
Really, I don’t know if we can’t take anything from preseason about the line now because there will be three positions with different starters. We’ve literally never seen the line that will start week one. While that is certainly concerning from a continuity standpoint, we also can’t say that we know for sure that they aren’t good.
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Exactly. Like last year, Vick threw for 4 TD’s and ran 2 more in against the Redskins 2nd and 3rd teamers……
(hears whispers from a fellow Eagles fan….)
Oh…that was their 1st team? Shit, i didnt realize that. Nevermind.
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by GreenInBaltimore on Sep 9, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Uncertain but not mortified...
but your reasoning for why you are mortified is even more mystifying. If Vick’s not mortified then why should we be ?
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Yes, you are the only one.
What could possibly be wrong with offensive line? (Whistleing)
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How do you get your font to do that?
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You know the Packers and the Steelers (especially) both had OLine problems yet both seemed able to play in the Superbowl.
"Descartes commanded the future from his study more than Napoleon did from his throne."
I believe the Packers only lost 1 starter heading into last year from 2009 (Mark Tauscher), so I’m not exactly sure if that qualifies as o-line problems. The Steelers offensive line was in fact a mess, but I think their defense may have had a little bit to do with them getting there.
When he says “O-line problems” for the Packers, I think he means that Aaron Rodgers took 50 sacks in 2009.
by Livingonapear on Sep 9, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Mortified
is a bit much. But I see it as a weak spot.
Joe Banner is Evil Banners father. Kinda like Luke and Darth Vader.
Juan Castillo switching from the offensive line coach to Defensive coordinator is soooo dumb it might just work.
Our defense will not be a top 10 defense this year.
What are you talking about?
The Season’s over man, done, finished… We’re not making the playoffs, no superbowl, we’re going to bust under the expectations… The OL has 0 room for improvement! We’ll be lucking to win 4 games.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
why you so mad bro
There at least a 10-6 team. A spade is a spade and this oline has never played together and they are learning a new scheme.
I think we have a chance to win the SB. We’re a work in progress. I’m sorry if I’m not willing to let my love for the eagles blind me to the truth. They are a work in progress.
Joe Banner is Evil Banners father. Kinda like Luke and Darth Vader.
Juan Castillo switching from the offensive line coach to Defensive coordinator is soooo dumb it might just work.
Our defense will not be a top 10 defense this year.
by MightyJoeBanner on Sep 9, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I was joking man.
It’s more towards those who are overreacting.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
stupid text
i misread I apologize.
Joe Banner is Evil Banners father. Kinda like Luke and Darth Vader.
Juan Castillo switching from the offensive line coach to Defensive coordinator is soooo dumb it might just work.
Our defense will not be a top 10 defense this year.
by MightyJoeBanner on Sep 10, 2011 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions
It's all good man.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
brandon, its time to go find another team to root for
by sandiegoeaglesfan on Sep 9, 2011 7:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
mortified - made to feel uncomfortable because of shame or wounded pride
Synonyms: humiliated, embarrassed
I hope you just misused the word. Hate to think you actually feel that way over pre-season.
I will pray for you just in case.
"Even those invested in the idea that the journey is the destination may feel they've taken a train to nowhere." - Terry Lawson
The offensive line is embarrassingly bad.
But the skill positions are embarrassingly good. We’ll have to see if the good outweighs the bad.
Q: What do a leaky tampon and Sean McDermott's defense have in common?
A: They are equally ineffective in the red zone.
Ed Wade=all the farm system the Phillies will ever need.
You know who had the best record last preseason?
Me neither, because it doesn’t fucking mean anything.
in that order.
by metseaglesknicks on Sep 9, 2011 10:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
M-Eagles-K
Can I double rec this comment and add some sprinkles on it?>?
BTW I’m a Rangers, Spurs fan so your 2 bookend teams were downgraded to only an initial. Hope you dont mind…lol
Fly Eagles Fly and watch the cowgirls cry.
by MV, add the P on Sep 10, 2011 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
R – Eagles – S is your new name.
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Never call a Phillies, Eagles, Flyers or Sixers fans, a band-wagoner. It is disrespectful. We have suffered agony through the years. Philadelphians should be jovial for their teams' success.
by chillyphilly on Sep 10, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
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