Raanan Review: Examining The Michael Vick Hits
[Note by JasonB, 09/20/11 10:54 AM EDT ] This year, veteran Eagles beat writer and current Comcast sports NFL columnist Jordan Raanan will be joining us every week with a review of the previous Sunday's Eagles game. This week he offers his notes and thoughts on the Eagles loss to the Giants
Michael Vick said it on Sunday. "If you look at all the replays, I'm on the ground every time," the Eagles' star QB explained after the loss and during a frustration-induced rant about unfair officiating.
Well, now it's time to see if Vick was correct in his assessment. I've re-watched all three Eagles games so far this year and charted every hit the $100 million man has taken. Here's how it breaks down:
Week 1 vs. St. Louis: 21 Hits
Week 2 vs. Atlanta: 14 Hits
Week 3 vs. NY Giants: 12 Hits
That's a staggering 47 hits in three games. Nobody can take that kind of beating from 250 to 350-pound men. Of course, it includes running plays because, hey, those take a toll on his body too. And Vick's run the ball 18 times, with seven of those being called runs.
Now, the question is whether there are an inordinate number of illegal hits from opposing players. After hearing Vick complain Sunday, I immediately thought his claims were hollow. In my opinion, there was nothing in the loss to the Giants that gave credence to his complaints.
After further review, I was wrong. The hit where Vick hurt his hand, by rule, was in fact illegal, even though Chris Canty originally hit Vick in the shoulder. My interpretation after reading the rules is it's still a penalty when his helmet ricochets after contact off the defenseless Vick's facemask.
The hit Sunday on Vick, however, was a close call, and there was nothing else in the game close to questionable. It was in the first two weeks this season that Vick's gripe probably had more validity, especially the Monday night loss in Atlanta. The Falcons hit Vick up high in the first quarter and once near his knees in the second quarter. The Rams hit him late on one play in the opener as well. Ironically, none were on plays where he ran or rambled aimlessly around the pocket.
St. Louis did get called for a personal foul, roughing the passer, in the first quarter of the opener. So combined in the three games: five questionable hits, one penalty called. Maybe Vick has a point after all.
No matter, the opposition's game plan is clear. They want to get as many hits on Vick as possible, even if it's a little push after he's released the ball. Atlanta and St. Louis, in particular, did that every chance possible.
The Eagles did protect Vick better on Sunday than they had in the first two weeks (see below). However, it was the refs who didn't meet Vick's expectations.
The Safety Play
His quarterback's health isn't the only problem facing Andy Reid. The lack of production from the Eagles' safeties has been staggering, and they even proved a major liability against the Giants.
Overall, the Eagles safeties haven't been horrible this season. They have not had a breakdown that resulted in any wide open deep passes. But, on the flip side, they have not made enough plays and have been nonexistent in run support. That was more evident than ever on Sunday.
To start, Kurt Coleman lasted only 12 plays before he was benched in favor of Nate Allen. Coleman's final play in the starting lineup was the disaster where he blew the coverage and missed two tackles on Victor Cruz's first touchdown.
Allen did not fare much better. He played the final 37 defensive snaps, had two missed tackles and took a horrible angle on a long run by Ahmad Bradshaw in the third quarter.
In fact, the Eagles safeties combined (Jarrad Page, Coleman and Allen) made just one play near the line of scrimmage in 50 snaps. That was a nice tackle by Allen on a running play that went for a 2-yard gain in the fourth quarter. They finished with an insufficient four total tackles (Page 3, Allen 1, Coleman 0).
Page had his worst game of the season too. His three tackles were downfield, missed a pair of tackles, was run over on a two-point conversion and didn't get over to help quickly enough on Cruz's second TD, a jump ball in the end zone.
Other notable observations from the breakdown:
• The offensive line had a very strong game in pass protection. They did well on 30 of 34 pass plays, much improved after being successful on just 32 of 41 the previous week.
• The Eagles blitzed seven times on 26 pass plays against the Giants. Two of the seven plays went for touchdowns.
• Nnamdi Asomugha did not appear on the final stat sheet. That means ZERO tackles, ZERO passes defended, ZERO everything, except missed tackles (2) and touchdowns allowed (1). In his first three games as an Eagle, the prized free agent signing has five tackles (2 solo), two passes knocked down and an interception.
• Tough game for Steve Smith against his former team. Not only did his red zone drop in the first half directly result in an interception, but Smith also made a weak move on the play before the Eagles were stuffed on a crucial 4th-and-1 near midfield early in the fourth quarter. On the play, Smith caught Vick's last pass of the game and went down before a hard-charging Antrel Rolle made the hit. Smith could have fought for the extra yard -- and first down -- if he was willing to take the hit.
• The Eagles actually converted their first six 3rd-and-1s and 3rd-and-2s on Sunday. That was before they were stuffed on four attempts from inside the five and then on 4th-and-1 in the fourth quarter.
• The three star cornerback philosophy has been a dud so far, mostly because of the opponents. The Rams, Falcons, Giants and 49ers (up next) aren't spread-you-out, four wide receiver teams. They use multiple tight ends. That's left Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie's contributions as minimal, although he did have a chance to make a big play against the Giants. DRC missed a tackle behind the line of scrimmage on 3rd-and-1 with the Eagles down six in the fourth quarter.
• The Giants did not enter the red zone until there was 3:48 remaining in the game. Truly amazing. Yet they won easily.
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the contrarians on Vick getting hit excessively in 3…2…1
Men judge generally more by the eye than by the hand, for everyone can see and few can feel. Every one sees what you appear to be, few really know what you are-Il Principe
I would go to battle any time with these guys-MV7
Vick has been getting hit an unprecedented number of times this season – which is why I think sitting him next week is a good idea. His body needs time to heal, and we need time to figure out the O-Line problems.
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This idea of simply resting a guy for the sake of doing it is absurd to me. Especially in week 4 of the NFL season. There’s only 16 games, you don’t get any rest.
You play every single week that you’re healthy unless maybe it’s week 17 and you’ve clinched.
So if Vick can grip a football with that right hand, there’s absolutely no reason he should not play.
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If he doesn't sit
Which I don’t think he will. I hope willis doesn’t kill him
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Willis doesn’t really rush the passer
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Another perspective on the pass protection
According to this link, the Eagles did not have a very strong game in pass protection against the Giants, but they were more successful against the Falcons. Eagles were ranked only 25th this week, but they were 6th last week. Their overall ranking for the season is 23rd.
The index considers "the length of a team’s pass attempts combined with penalties by offensive linemen, sacks allowed and quarterback hurries and knockdowns." The rankings are for the overall team, not just the offensive line. If anyone has seen other rankings, please provide a link.
http://newyorklife.stats.com/fb/protection.asp?type=overall&year=2011
I thought this was partly expected of Nnamdi. The disappearing stat line is a result of not being challenged. On his interception he jumped the route of a receiver that wasnt his. I do wish that the negative stats that are showing up weren’t so bad. He seems to be as boom-or-bust as the wide 9.
i think Nnamdi is good
but i think the fact that the rest of his pass D out there in oakland being so bad helped his stats a little. no need to throw to the only good guy on D when the remaining 10 are so bad. that said he’s still the second best CB in the game today.
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Ahh
I was kind of having fun with the killing him with kindness schtick. Oh well Im sure there will be more.
Men judge generally more by the eye than by the hand, for everyone can see and few can feel. Every one sees what you appear to be, few really know what you are-Il Principe
I would go to battle any time with these guys-MV7
Interesting Read
Some good analysis here! And thanks for noting some positives!
So a question: how many hits are other quarterbacks taking?
And what is a realistic target or threshold? If we get below 8 is that good? 6? Obviously, they need to be weighed, not counted.
Good read.
Now he just needs to break down the first three games of the rest of the QBs in the league.
Byahhh!
Regarding the safeties,
what about Jarret? I’m not exactly sure if he’s fully ready to start, but after watching the safeties for the past two games, I’d much rather see what Jarret has to offer to this team.
Coleman
is a complete mystery right now. I was so excited for him after the preseason. It looked like he was taking charge out there, flying around the field, making hits. I haven’t seen him make a single big play this year. Somebody in the locker room needs to call him out.
And let’s not get started on his double whammy play. I mean honestly what was he doing out there?
Good spot
will be looking forward to your reviews each week.
few thoughts:
-i thought that the angle Allen took on the run was good. but the finish wasn’t. he basically got mushed by Bradshaw.
-when everyone crowned your secondary as the best in the league, my consistent question was ‘what about your safeties?’ i knew Allen wouldn’t be back to form right away, and altho Coleman had shown to be stout in the preseason against the run, that to me stood out as a liability. what happened to that other rook, Jarrett? i thought he was pencilled in as day one starter?
-I was surprised reading the posts sunday night giving Nnamdi a pass for his play. i thought the missed tackle was big(obviously) as well as the jump ball he lost to a 6’ UDFA.
-That’s Steve Smith’s game. don’t ever expect to see SS11 take 2 or 3 guys on his back and get a few more yards. when he was good with us, it was because he would find the first down marker, get beyond it, and sit down in that zone. YAC was never his strong suit.
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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
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Just a quick edit
to your sig. Marines say Oorah and the Army says Hooah (Im a former Soldier). Just thought you would want to know.
Men judge generally more by the eye than by the hand, for everyone can see and few can feel. Every one sees what you appear to be, few really know what you are-Il Principe
I would go to battle any time with these guys-MV7
really?
my bad i always thought the Marines said that(that’s what i get for verifying it on wikipedia, d’oh!)
heard, understood, and acknowledged…..
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
I will not - lose! -Jay Z-
Marines say HUA; BBVer's say SUAMBP! say it with me - Suuaahmbp!!!!
Yeah
it was always something we gave shit to each other about (had a buddy who was a Marine).
Men judge generally more by the eye than by the hand, for everyone can see and few can feel. Every one sees what you appear to be, few really know what you are-Il Principe
I would go to battle any time with these guys-MV7
Vick definitely gets the most illegal hits...
because he gets the most hits. It’s the reason he’s also received that penalty (Roughing the passer, that he supposedly doesn’t receive) more than anyone else. Saw an interesting stat. It said that %30.1 of Vick’s throws have been done “Under Duress”. That’s crazy no? That doesn’t seem right does it? Is he holding the ball too long, or is it just the OL. Because as a Cowboy fan I was under the impression that you guys had two solid OT. Is the pressure coming up the middle then?
Everyday I feel a little better about the way this team is being run.
by Feeling Blue & Silver on Sep 27, 2011 3:29 PM EDT reply actions
Middle is the weakest link no this Oline. The OTs are fine though but the 2 guards are so so and a rookie center ( that is kinda undersized and wasnt really a high talent like pouncey ).
People say he is holding the ball long but part of that is they usually have only two WRs going out since our TE been having to block alot. So Vick is trying to avoid pressure, alot..seems like almost every down he is having to do some scrambling.
But %30 under Duress seems obscene, for ANY QB!!!
That’s more than Cutler, and he spends most of the game on the ground.
Everyday I feel a little better about the way this team is being run.
by Feeling Blue & Silver on Sep 27, 2011 3:47 PM EDT reply actions
Cant believe this has not been brought up here
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/27/pereira-calls-vicks-complaint-a-bunch-of-bull/
“Well, I thought it was ridiculous,” said Pereira, who now serves as a rules analyst for FOX. “It actually took me back, it took me back to my job in New York when I worked for the league, and it was a constant complaint by the Eagles, whether it was [Donovan] McNabb at quarterback or whether it was Vick. They clearly complained more than any other team.”
The dude is an asshat
and nothing but a mouthpiece. It was also done as a fanshot.
Men judge generally more by the eye than by the hand, for everyone can see and few can feel. Every one sees what you appear to be, few really know what you are-Il Principe
I would go to battle any time with these guys-MV7
ass hat isnt the word.
They are complaining for a reason, because both QBs took hits they shouldnt have. Seem to recall McNabb getting speared late vs Dallas I think 2 seasons ago after he scored a TD
Perhaps they should be complaining to their O-Line and fix the problem.
That is the reason for all the problems. A shoddy O-Line.
Real men don't eat honey. They chew bees. - Gilbert Yvel
Not surprised he said that...
he works for Fox. The worst news station in the world.
by eaglemaniac814 on Sep 27, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Its a gamble
we’ve had success doing it in the past so maybe the FO has become a little overconfident in their ability to ID replacements for our longstays.
Why come you don't have a tattoo?
by goodfella46er on Sep 27, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Obvious
Vick isn’t picking up the void in coverage when the cb/safety blitzes. If he did they would stop.
The line on Vick is blitz with cb/safety, but that leaves a mismatch for coverage, find it and throw there.
by Mtn-Green on Sep 27, 2011 7:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Question
Has ESPN and other outlets not provided stats that show that Vick and the Eagles get more roughing the passing flags that most teams.
Solid look at most of the hits although i feel that every hit in the giants game was legal
by wyominggiantsfan on Sep 27, 2011 11:56 PM EDT reply actions
Its already been discussed in another thread, but the numbers that ESPN has thrown out don’t prove anything, in fact they’re mostly irrelevant. It is possible that the Eagles could get the most flags and still get short changed. Vick gets hit more than other QBs, so its not fair to compare penalties on Vick to that of other teams. Its a case by case thing.
by philiafan14364 on Sep 28, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions

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