Eagles Broken In 29-16 Loss To Giants
by JasonB on Sep 25, 2011 4:29 PM EDT
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PrintThere's no sugarcoating this one folks, the Eagles look absolutely terrible in all facets of the game this afternoon as the Giants snapped their 6 game losing streak to the Birds with a 29-16 win. We'll start first with the injuries as it seems like the Giants brought their injury bug into Philly and infected the Eagles with it. The big one is obviously the broken hand for Michael Vick. It seemed to happen on a play in the 3rd quarter and Vick went into the locker-room for x-rays. He did return and continue playing however, leading the Eagles on the drive that gave them their first lead. However, on the ensuing drive, it was Mike Kafka who led the team out (and threw a pick on his first attempt). Also injured were Jeremy Maclin (hamstring), Riley Cooper (concussion) and Kyle Devan.
Now to the game. There was one player who was really good in this game. That was LeSean McCoy. He ran all over the Giants to the tune of 128 yards and a TD while also setting a career high in carries. Otherwise, it was pretty much all bad. The coaching decisions were absolutely terrible, with none worse than the decision to go for it on 4th down from midfield in the 4th. The Eagles failed to convert and the Giants scored the go-ahead TD on the ensuing drive.
The offense was bad. Michael Vick was once again hit time and time again and frankly didn't look entirely healthy all day. Steve Smith did his old team a solid by gifting the Giants the first turnover of the game when he let a pass bounce right off his hands into those of Aaron Ross. It took at least three points away from the Eagles and led to a Giants TD. The defense was again very poor any time the team really needed a stop. This has become a bit of a recurring theme. They sacked Eli Manning three times and had some great three and out series... but any time the Eagles really needed a stop, whether it was after a turnover or late in the game, they failed. And when they fail, they do it big. We're not talking about FGs here, we're talking about TDs every single time. It was the exact same story last week.
And if I can't rant for a second... I was going nuts at the awful analysis from the Fox booth today. Time and time again Daryl Johnston praised the Giants for their brilliant play designs attacking the Eagles "wide nine system." Nonsense. Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs were simply breaking tackles. You can't show a highlight where Bradshaw runs through two separate arm tackles and then tell me how it was all down to great play design. It was great execution form Bradshaw and shocking tackling from the Eagles. And don't take this as some kind of defense from me when I say it's the players not the system or scheme. This is much worse. You can tweak systems and schemes. If your guys can't make tackles, there's not much you can do to fix that.
The Eagles were simply outplayed and outcoached by a team that I think most would agree is not as talented as them. That's the bottom line. It's inexcusable and now we've got serious questions going forward. This defense is officially not good. The offense now has to be a question with Vick hurt.
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FFS, Eagles.
FFS.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
"To catch theme is my real test, to train them is my cause."
that patriots loss makes me feel better though :D
I hate new york.
by XxActionJacksonxX on Sep 25, 2011 4:36 PM EDT reply actions
Games like this
is what get coaches fired. That is all that you can say about it
Honestly, I’ve always been a Reid supporter, but if they fired him today, I wouldn’t bat an eye. Why they pussified the playbook when the Giants secondary vs. our WRs was our biggest strength is beyond me.
by youaretheman26 on Sep 25, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
They need to fire that fat fuck.
Q: What do a leaky tampon and Sean McDermott's defense have in common?
A: They are equally ineffective in the red zone.
Ed Wade=all the farm system the Phillies will ever need.
by EvilBanner on Sep 25, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
who let the dogs out-----by gmen fan
completely stupid….Reid is a great coach….not a good coach….great…….it kills me to see gnts and eagles fans complain after every loss to fire these guys…………..they dont get better out there…….both teams lucky to have them………………btw……………your biggest problem is your offensive line……………..give vick, maclin, jackson, mccoy some blocking,,,,and you would be devastatingly scary.
by bigblueforu on Sep 26, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. The going for it on 4th down at mid-field with the lead was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me.
Reckless-aggressive.
by 999 on Sep 25, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
?????
hey, it took a great play to stop him,,,,…………….reid gets that yard, game over.
by bigblueforu on Sep 26, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s had 12 years… it’s time for a change. its the exact same thing year after year after year. If it hasn’t worked yet, how much longer is it going to take. He’s been given every opportunity, he hand picks all his players, and they can’t get it done. Don’t get me wrong, we go to the playoffs often, and he is a good coach and there are much much worse out there, but it just isn’t working.
NFL, I am no longer disappoint.
by rich p on Sep 25, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
The offense was already a question for me
No argument, the D is bad. But I can understand that with a new first-year coordinator, a new D-line scheme, and lack of talent at both LB and S. They weren’t good last year either, and free agent signings won’t fix that in 3 games. I was expecting struggles, and that’s what we’re getting (though it’s worse than I hoped).
For me the issue is the offense. The Redskins and Rams had receivers running wide open against the Giants, and facing an even more injury ravaged D the Eagles O did little. McCoy looks great, the O-line mostly did well, but the passing game has seemed out of sync all year. It was masked by playing a minimally talented Rams D and having short fields against ATL, but they just haven’t looked right.
for the first part about the players….you blame who drafted these players…
for the game itself…the gameplan and play calling were bang your head into a wall awful
You put together the top 3 LBs and all 4 safeties, and you have a total of 5 years on the Eagles shared with 7 players. They don’t have experience and it shows. Too early to blame drafting.
Agreed, the coaching wasn’t good either. But the offensive players don’t get a pass (except for McCoy).
Its never too early to blame drafts i think. You dont take UDFAs and 7th rounders and try to turn them into starters that season. They were still there that late in the draft for a reason. Sure once in a while a diamond in the rough pops up & thats been the eagles draft strat for a while but it has failed badly.
Eagles Drafting Strategy:
Early round picks: to be used for project players.
Late round picks and UDFAs: to be used for starters at key positions.
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Come into my office Juan...
We need to have a talk.
"You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity."
“tell casey to bring his playbook juan”
I hate new york.
by XxActionJacksonxX on Sep 25, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
...and tell Juan "ahh Juan take your bullshit play books
and your crayons that you write your preschool plays with and teach high school football!"
Juan is a bum
rookie D coordinator with a brand new defense is a recipe for disaster. Sacks do not matter if we cannot stop the screen or the run
by true-philly-fan on Sep 25, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t we put all that effort into the secondary to eliminate the Eagles “then” (will be destroyed this year) opponent Passing TD totals?
Two were today
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True
But one was when Coleman was covering the WR, the other Nnamdi had good coverage and Cruz just made a hell of a play.
Lot of receivers have been making "a hell of a play" against us in the past two weeks
The result’s still the same. We give up TDs and score FGs
I meant WR have 3 TDs in 3 weeks vs Eagles
Hardly terrible. It’s the LBs and the S that keep killing us.
I don't give shit a if backup O linemen are scoring them
Teams keep putting them in the end zone. And we cannot stop them
I dont care
Cruz isnt a starter. No way he should have been able to make any kind of play.
The last thing I want to hear when I'm using a public urinal is someone telling me I have a nice watch.....
Agreed
But we let guys like that have career games against us all the time. Every year.
why not have a roster of 33
11 on offense
11 on defense
11 on ST
We got all these opposing receivers playing like its their superbowl,we got to ready for this all year long.
by Mrrc7 on Sep 25, 2011 5:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But seriously
If not McDermott, and if not Castillo…what the hell is the problem here? Why can’t we find a good defensive coordinator?
Considering the used McDermott as a scapegoat when he had less to work with player & position coach wise…and considering the situation…yes you have to give up on him.
He is not a defensive cord at all.
I just think
This is another example of Andy trying to outsmart the league. I’m so smart I can take an offensive line coach and make him a defensive coordinator. If it works you’re a genius, but why would it work?
I’m willing to cut Juan some slack due to the lack of offseason work/being jaded subpar talent at a few positions. But his D has flaws that are being exposed weekly and the adjustments are few and far between. The entire coaching staff needs to be on notice.
by djthekidd on Sep 25, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Okay. I’m going to take a realistic point on how today’s game went. No overreactions here, just observations I noticed throughout the game.
1. Yes, the linebackers are that bad. Particularly, Chaney and Matthews. Matthews seems lost once again, and when that happens three weeks in a row, it’s not a “getting used to the NFL” problem, it’s a “well, this player isn’t a starter” problem. Chaney is simply overrated from last year. Rolle was the ONLY linebacker to show anything throughout the game, and he looks like a decent LB at the NFL level. The other LB’s seem suited as special teams players at best. It really is that bad. And coming from someone who rarely panics, the time to start the panic on our LB corps is now. Plain and simple.
2. The offense looked timid today. Here’s the issue: has anyone really seen the Eagles call that “dangerous” play anymore? The bombs to DeSean? The bubble screens? Why has this been absent from the playbook for the past three weeks? Playcalling was awful. There was hope when McCoy was being fed the ball and the blocking was really solid for about a quarter, but then, it just seemed like Marty was throwing out random plays and hoping for them to work.
3. The following players had nothing to do with the loss today: Trent Cole, LeSean McCoy, Jason Babin, Jason Peters, Asante Samuel, Nnamdi Asomugha. These players stood out to me, and played like they wanted to actually be in this game. And no, Cruz’s catch was not enough to say that Nnamdi had a bad game. Nnamdi did everything he was supposed to on the play. The catch was just good.
4. If I actually thought that writing to the NFL about how bad reffing officials would actually work, I would do so. Did these referees skip over the “holding” section of the rulebook? The touchdown throw to Victor Cruz, I literally saw Will Beatty grab Trent Cole and pick him up in the air. How about these hits on Vick? Would they have flied with Tom Brady? No. These are late hits, but the referees STILL feel inclined to hold off on the penalty because of the style Vick plays at. The referees have been absolutely despicable at their jobs, and should be held accountable.
5. The following players need to be replaced: Kurt Coleman, Casey Matthews, Jamar Chaney. That is all.
6. O-Line looked solid at most times. Kelce was a weak link at certain points (you cannot get a false start as a center, Kelce, you just can’t). Near the end, the line wasn’t staying with their blocks long enough. Everything else seemed okay.
This was a terrible game that teaches us a few things about a really talented team: sometimes, leaving one glaring weakness in a strong team is enough to lose games. The LB corps is not going anywhere. We’re going to have to live with it. And it’s going to be a rough year thanks to this. Not to say that we won’t win, but to say that we should expect similar results. “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results”.
"It's not going to make me try to hit you any harder, because I'm going to do that anyway." - Brian Dawkins
by TheRealMcCoy on Sep 25, 2011 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
Completely agree with most of this. Especially the hype people were giving Chaney & Coleman.
The non calls on Vick is getting scary now. I am sure the Eagles are constantly sending in tapes post game to show the league the failure of QB hits.
Kelce has been the weak link on the line and when that weak link is the CENTER, that is a problem.
I agree with everything you said
The 2 biggest things I wanna say is this
1. Nnamdi’s strengths are being ruined with the way they use him
and
2. Kurt coleman is better than what he showed today… not sure what his problem was with tackling
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Vick ducked into it, which is why there was no penalty I believe
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 25, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
nah the thing is he was “out of the pocket” so he becomes a runner even if he was about the pass it. Things like this arent new with Vick though, he doest get the same treatment other QBs get
perhaps, I won't comment on that because you guys would know
more about Vick than I would in that regard
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Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 25, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Receivers...
..duck into nearly every helmet to helmet hit that is called…look at the Austin Collie hit we got fined for last year.
Why do people always think I'm playing the Race Card???
Is it because I'm black???
I'm pretty sure Coleman or whoever made that hit didn't get fined
There was a penalty in the game though
Michael Vick for MVP
Kurt Coleman is not better then what he showed today. Every game this season so far he has given up a td and numerous big plays. He sucks just as jarrad page and Matthews
by phightin_iggles on Sep 25, 2011 5:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Disagree on Page. Page actually had pretty solid coverage today. Not sure where you saw him responsible for something bad.
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by TheRealMcCoy on Sep 25, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree.
Page had a solid day. The Cruz catch was just a great play…can’t really look bad at Nnamdi or Page for that play. That being said, I still want Allen and Jarrett starting in the near future.
Why do people always think I'm playing the Race Card???
Is it because I'm black???
Asomugha has to break that up
He was right with him, and Cruz made a catch, but Nnamdi turned too late. With his height and athleticism we should have broke that up or even picked it off.
With the money we’re paying him, he needs to make that play. The other huge play Asom gave up was the awful tackle attempt on Cruz (granted Coleman whiffed on the original tackle). Turned a 30 yard gain into a 75 yard TD. Asom had to make that tackle…
How can you blame nnamdi for the missed tackle, coleman trying to make up for his mistake got in the way of nnamdi making that tackle. I don’t understand why people are so critical of nnamdi? He does his job, the corners are NOT the problem with this team. The guy is not perfect!
by PhilsForever on Sep 25, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Two weeks in a row.....
Page has gotten behind a ball carier and blocked a would be tackler.
by Sean of the dead on Sep 25, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
nnamdi
The way they use him? He covers wide receivers… how is that using him wrong exactly?
by PhilsForever on Sep 25, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Nnamdi is best in press coverage with his long arms. Castillo NEVER plays man press, even in the red zone, most likely because Samuel can’t press anyone on the other side.
That’s why I suggested Samuel should be pulled in the redzone because DRC is a better man-man cover corner, Samuel is only good at reading patterns and jumping routes in zone.
they could just have him 1 on 1 vs the teams best WR
instead of doing zones and all that bullshit
Michael Vick for MVP
the holding goes both ways though
over at BBV everyone talks about how JPP is getting held on every play
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
kelce didn't false start. that was devan. the announcers were wrong. page was ALSO
horrid.
on that TD, that was as much nnamdi’s fault as anyone. he actually interfered with the receiver, page facemasked him and cruz STILL caught a TD over both of them. wtf??? nnamdi was in zone and should have picked up the flight of the ball. if he had, he’d have been able to knock it down easily.
playcalling — andy in short yardage is a nightmare waiting to happen. all those years w/ mcnabb’s burly ass and they never called a QB sneak for half a yard. today, w/ vick coming off a concussion, they go two QB sneaks in a row. IN goalliine. and expose him to all kinds of hits. (i’m not at all averse to qb sneaks, but not in this situation, w/ the nature of vick’s recent injury).
when they give to schmitt, its on a dive to the FB up the gut. you’re not tricking anyone down there. why not have the FB LEAD through the hole and let shady follow him or go over the top?
shady. on the 4th and 1. put your head down and go through the fking HOLE. i know there wasn’t much. but that was not the time or place for trying to bounce to the outside.
steve smith. why??? -10 pt swing at the least. eagles should have gotten no worse than a fg on that drive, but it ends up in a td the other way.
WHERE were the passes targeting the holes in 2 deep?
on those must have 3rd and 4th downs they’d have been better rolling vick to his left and letting him choose between pass, run, or going out of bounds.
Yeah I noticed the false start on Kelce that was really Devan.
Although Kelce was called for snap infraction earlier.
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I agree with you
but want to add that Page looked awful out there and Allen didn’t look good either
Fokou just didn’t look bad
out of all of our LBs and S only Fokou and Rolle should even be possible starters right now
So Nnamdi's almost whiff on the first Cruz TD
not important to the play? And if you wanted holding calls, you could have gotten half a dozen of your own. Defenders jerseys aren’t supposed to be ripped the way JPP’s was. Peters was holding on for dear life the entire game.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 25, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Look, you can say that all you want, but the point stands: the referees in this game were terrible, and referees nowadays seem to completely disregard the holding penalty. I didn’t see it as much for JPP (to be honest, he got the penetration he deserved most of the time), but again with stuff like this green glasses tend to make me unable to see your blue glasses, if you know what I mean.
"It's not going to make me try to hit you any harder, because I'm going to do that anyway." - Brian Dawkins
by TheRealMcCoy on Sep 26, 2011 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
That's fine
at least we can admit our non-objectivity :) Try telling a skins fan that Orakpo is actually NOT held on every single play. But seriously, JPP got his penetration, and Peters was pulling his jersey back, hence the rips in it. I also saw a beautiful neck chokehold similar to what JBJ used to choke out Rampage. But yes, I thought the ump being in the backfield was supposed to lead to MORE holding calls.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 26, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I think I’m just going to avoid watching ESPN…or going on the internet…or interacting with other people….for the rest of the week.
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by McNabb2Maclin4Philly on Sep 25, 2011 4:50 PM EDT reply actions
I hate the media for dick-riding us for ratings. We’re never going to hear the end of it.
Fly Eagles Fly, on the road to Vicktory!
by KeepSwinging on Sep 25, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
thats what i do after every eagles loss.
Why come you don't have a tattoo?
by goodfella46er on Sep 25, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
On the bright side, Reid’s teams usually start slow and there are still 13 games to be played. Those 13 games could either be ones like today or the team and turn it around.
stop this
I BEG you to see the truth before it’s too late. just start planning activites on sundays that’s all I’m gonna say. This team is going nowhere
Fair point. We should have a pretty good next 13-14 weeks, followed by a huge disappointment somewhere in the 2-3 weeks after that.
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by Senor Octubre on Sep 25, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing that annoys me the most
Is that we were going on about Vick + our WRs against their decimated secondary all week. And while Shady had a good game, using him so often meant we didn’t even try to exploit the Giants’ weakness.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Sep 25, 2011 4:52 PM EDT reply actions
We need Brian Dawkins back. We need leadership out there.
by Ichiban on Sep 25, 2011 4:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
we need a lot of things
none of which include Brian Dawkins. Besides, I think he has a better shot to contend where he is.
Coulda had the next Dawk...
Not taking Earl Thomas when we had the chance last year is going to end up haunting us for years
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Led the league in missed tackles right?
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Guy has still shown some good flashes at times for an overall terrible team, and he’s still young so I would expect him to improve. Though its obviously early on in their careers, I think Thomas could end up being more of a player in this league than the Graham/Allen combo (though I hope I’m wrong)
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vick
looked off all day, the battery of tests looked extensive, it could be that he re-concussed. i dont know, he just looked really woozy
yeah, he didn't look sharp at any point
like he was just slightly fogged all through. He wasn’t making good reads or throws. I think the Giants did a decent job with pressure but nothing incredible.
I was surprised you guys did not try to stretch our secondary more with your speed in space.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
the blitzes
you could tell the respect they had for him, they didnt really want to make the BIG mistake. lesson learned from last time
the cracks are hilarious!
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by sandiegoeaglesfan on Sep 25, 2011 4:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
best offensive weapons in the league
and this coaching staff has no clue how to use them
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-Donovan Mcnabb
"Now you look at it and you say, 'These guys seem to have their timing together. Why is that?' Because we spend time together."
-Donovan Mcnabb
and by the way
talent doesn’t win football games. i appreciate the point made, that the more talented team lost. but the most talented team lost in buffalo today too.
Well that was obviously the point
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The decsion to go for it was a good one.
A punt is probably a touchback and a TD there puts the Giants in a deep, deep hole. Asking an offensive line that had just gotten stoned three times inside the one to get that yard was a mistake.
Well.
I certainly have been told. I can’t challenge such a cogent and well-reasoned arguement.
by Tracer Bullet on Sep 25, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
so lets look at your flawless argument here then. the punt is going to be a touchback, no angled out of bounds kicks like henrey had been kicking all game. But fine, make it a touchback. 80 yards to go for a touchdown, instead of the 40 by not getting the first down. Also, the eagles were not able to pick up a yard when they needed it all game. It was early inthe fourth quarter, you have the lead, and your offense is playing like trash. So you choose to go for it, and fail. thats why its a terrible decision.
NFL, I am no longer disappoint.
And if they'd picked up and scored we're not having this conversation.
There is no risk without reward. I didn’t see any suggestion from that defense that they could have stopped the Giants from going 500 yards, let alone 80.
by Tracer Bullet on Sep 25, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
And even if they did pick it up, it still wouldn’t have been the right call. the conversion would have just covered up the mistake in play calling.
NFL, I am no longer disappoint.
I agree with rich p. Why give them 40 yards to go when u can punt it and they would have to go atleast 80. And to make it even worse, everyone knew what they were gona call
by phightin_iggles on Sep 25, 2011 5:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Even if the eagles pick up that first down
I highly doubt they would’ve ended up scoring a TD on that drive… They only scored 1 TD all game, and it was just an amazing run by McCoy
Michael Vick for MVP
agree
they had no answer for mccoy all day. only a good form tackle (ever hear of it?) by boley stops that 4th down
Then pitch it out since he’s been pretty good on those against the Giants. Don’t run it up the gut.
by youaretheman26 on Sep 25, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, the play call was eh
but the decision to go for it was the right one. giants d was on their heels. winded. i actually thought the eagles plan today was very good, and maybe dictated by vick not being 100%. he looked woozy
it was obviously very high risk
But the Giants had been in bend-don’t break mode all across the midfield and so it was not crazy to think they would have more trouble stuffing the short play in space than they would inside the 5.
"Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand."
Good thing its only the start of the season we are a second half season football team with the film hopefully we can coach up these young linebackers/safeties in time for the superbowl like Juan said…..
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by Davisdom181 on Sep 25, 2011 4:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
the only thing that will coach up matthews is a few cycles of his brothers hgh
NFL, I am no longer disappoint.
Yup
Fly Eagles Fly, on the road to Vicktory!
by KeepSwinging on Sep 25, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Linebackers
If the group doesn’t change , we’re fucked. One way to avoid our good secondary and d-line is to go after the lb’s . Lofa, Briggs or currey. I will keep saying it until we pick up some top talent lb.
by Saidrick on Sep 25, 2011 5:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Lofa stinks and no one wants him. Briggs is simply not an option. Curry.. I don’t even know. He isn’t very good. Might he be available? Maybe, but for a big price probably.
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I’m really not sure about that. Tatupu is terrible. I really haven’t seen enough of CUrry, but if you’re benched in Seattle… And Briggs obviously is, but he’s not available.
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Truth is, I don’t see this LB corps going anywhere. I really do believe it’s not changing, and we’re going to see the same problems week after week. It’s just what the Eagles want to do: they think that they can get away with this crew, and that they’re “good enough” for the Wide 9 and CB’s to take most of the burden for the game.
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by TheRealMcCoy on Sep 25, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Time of posession:
Eagles: 36 minutes, 51 seconds
Giants: 23 minutes, 9 seconds.
End result: ugly Eagles loss. That’s a problem, folks.
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by McNabb2Maclin4Philly on Sep 25, 2011 5:01 PM EDT reply actions
the goal line series summed up the whole game
4 in a row straight up the middle with schmidt and vick when we have ronnie brown and mccoy. what happened to vick scrambling in short yardage. why are we overthinking every single play? let the playmakers make plays.
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-Donovan Mcnabb
I can’t fault them for calling QB sneaks from the half yard line. That’s the right call there. It just didn’t work.
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Twice in a row? With a QB coming off a concusion?
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by KeepSwinging on Sep 25, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah.
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I don’t know. Going up the middle in a short yardage situation against a team famous for defending that kind of thing just seems foolish. Granted calling QB sneak in that situation works 95% of the time.
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by KeepSwinging on Sep 25, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The Giants are famous for defending that?
Like you said, 90% of the time that play works. I would have called it a third time.
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You fake it to Schmidt on the 3rd down and you end-around Vick
He does whatever dance he wants on the way to the end zone.
i thought Andy was setting us up
for the playaction QB bootleg with a pass option. Easily woulda scored with that
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
I’m trying to agree with you, but I’m just cranky and want to rip on our coaches to feel better :(
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by KeepSwinging on Sep 25, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
From the half yard line? Yeah, I’d do three straight times even.
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—but going back to schmidt? and then kicking a field goal fromt he half yard line? this is an undersized offensive line they arent getting a push in those situations.
"Whatever happened in the past, hopefully it's over."
-Donovan Mcnabb
"Now you look at it and you say, 'These guys seem to have their timing together. Why is that?' Because we spend time together."
-Donovan Mcnabb
by SHADY RECORDS on Sep 25, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly
Reid doesn’t seem to realize that the Howard Mudd offensive lineman average 25-30lbs lighter than the big fellas he’s used to having there. Maybe you try that sneak with Jamal Jackson, but not Kelce.
They could have run the stretch play (which takes advantage of our O-line speed), they could have ran a Vick bootleg, they could have pitched it out to McCoy. Even if there’s 2 guys on the edge waiting for Shady, I still say he finds a way to wiggle into the endzone.
Instead, they try QB sneaks and an FB handoff right behind that weak interior line when the Giants have the box stacked. Stupid, stupid playcalling.
worst playcalling ever
give it to the least talented player on our offense 2 times on the goalline.
why not put in Jackson at C on the goalline? you have packages on D, why not on O… that was horrible to watch
how about the Schmitt run?
I didn’t like that at all. You’re eliminating you’re two best runners (McCoy and Vick), and putting the ball in the hands of a fullback.
I would have gone with shotgun zone read. Spread the field, let Vick and McCoy put you in.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
In my humble opinion:
Everything went wrong when we went for it on 4th and 1 in the fourth quarter. I would’ve punted. We had clearly struggled in short-yardage situations all game long, then we give New York good field position with the turnover on downs. Shifted all momentum in their favor, and it never came back.
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by McNabb2Maclin4Philly on Sep 25, 2011 5:03 PM EDT reply actions
Any other team you go for that every time, shit with this team’s players you go for it, not with this coaching though.
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Sep 25, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
We definitely had the personel needed to get that first down, but short yardage situations were clearly trouble for us all game. In that situation, fourth quarter, slim lead, I would’ve punted.
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by McNabb2Maclin4Philly on Sep 25, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
With Vick’s right hand broken, were we even in a position to continue the drive? Pin them down in their half and trust your D to protect the slim lead!
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Sep 25, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
dont worry juan is a great defensive coordinator
just forget the fact that he never coached anything on the defensive side of the ball (in the nfl), BUT there was a picture of him getting in some guys face automatically making him a hardcore disciplinary dude. go eagles
—but going back to schmidt? and then kicking a field goal fromt he half yard line? this is an undersized offensive line they arent getting a push in those situations.
"Whatever happened in the past, hopefully it's over."
-Donovan Mcnabb
"Now you look at it and you say, 'These guys seem to have their timing together. Why is that?' Because we spend time together."
-Donovan Mcnabb
They didn’t kick a FG from the half yard line. The play to Schmitt that just wasn’t blocked lost a few yards.
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this is true—good call. but why havent we seen vick drop back in short yardage and then take off? that’s an unstoppable play.
"Whatever happened in the past, hopefully it's over."
-Donovan Mcnabb
"Now you look at it and you say, 'These guys seem to have their timing together. Why is that?' Because we spend time together."
-Donovan Mcnabb
by SHADY RECORDS on Sep 25, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
shitty as san diego!
No “America’s game” here! They got infomercials on fox for foreign food orders! Such bull, they’re making us watch this pathetic San Diego game
by sandiegoeaglesfan on Sep 25, 2011 5:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The only thing good from today...
..is the Eagles’ cheerleaders hairflip pick on the mainpage.
Why do people always think I'm playing the Race Card???
Is it because I'm black???
Not even Eagles cheerleader Stephanie could cheer me up right now…….well, maybe she could…..
Fly Eagles Fly, on the road to Vicktory!
by KeepSwinging on Sep 25, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's my question
What happened to those big plays we had from last season? It seemed like we’d go big on the first play on every single game. Why are we being so conservative?
I thought Chaney was good until today, I hope it was just the stupid D# Juan got him on
BTW get Jarret the fuck in there and get Mattherws the fuck out of there there and another improvement would be to let Deon Lewis fill in for Mccoy when he’s not in there, miami got rid of brown for a reason, he sucks. Deon has that same shifty talent mcoy has. Kelce sucks shit lets get rid of WIDE 9! If we lose any of the next two games I’m done with football for this season. And if Andy or Juan still there next year I’m not going to watch anymore football until there gone!
This is a team with serious issues. And the disconcerting thing is that there isn’t really anything we can do to fix it except wait it out and see if these players start jelling. Ray Didinger said it best about 20 minutes ago: the linebackers and the safeties are what they are, we’re not likely to find outside help either.
And yes this is Philly, you welcome to come check us
2 things that really pissed me off were giving to it to Schmitt twice near the goal line with the day Shady was having then going for it on 4th & 1 around the 50 instead of trying to pin them deep & I believe we were still up by 2 at that point
by The Legend on Sep 25, 2011 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
My biggest issues with this game all come from the top. Yes, the execution was bad at times. This was Ray Rhodes-esque tackling on defense, today. Good coaching can help rectify those problems. The playcalling for this team is atrocious. The decisions made at times are nonsensical. It gets harder and harder each week to say Reid is the coach, but it’s not all him, either. I don’t have much confidence in Marty.
Regardless, it was a foregone conclusion that this team would start slow. Way too many new pieces and a really short offseason. If the Eagles go into the bye at 2-4, which is my prediction at this point, I won’t be worried. By then, their problems should be fixed (or they never will be). Any personnel issues should be ironed out by then (deciding who plays where and so forth). And in the Reid era, this team has always played better after the bye.
It isn’t time to panic yet, but there are definite concerns going forward.
Reid, Marty are def shittin the bed up to this point
with a side order of Juan as well….he only gets a pass cause its his 3rd game…but Reid and especially MArty have no excuses
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Sep 25, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Relax!
Reid just has to put the guys in a better position to win! Easy as that.
AR press conf.
He said that didn’t he…..
The last thing I want to hear when I'm using a public urinal is someone telling me I have a nice watch.....
I wont panic til next week
But I do miss Stew and Q.
The last thing I want to hear when I'm using a public urinal is someone telling me I have a nice watch.....
BTW I don't trust Steve Smith
We beat them 6 times straight so I won’t be suprised if Giants sacrified this bum to gain inside access. Wall street has inside trading and that’s on a bigger scale so what makes you think the NFL don’t have the same shit? Trade smith for a LB Please!
I'm down for a conspiracy......
But that’s a bit of a stretch.
The last thing I want to hear when I'm using a public urinal is someone telling me I have a nice watch.....
SPY!!!
GET HIM OUTTAAAAA HERE!!!
"Whatever happened in the past, hopefully it's over."
-Donovan Mcnabb
"Now you look at it and you say, 'These guys seem to have their timing together. Why is that?' Because we spend time together."
-Donovan Mcnabb
by SHADY RECORDS on Sep 25, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
....he was the one who tipped that first interception....
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 25, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
damn right he was.
can you imagine? he could relay all the game plans beforehand. tell the defense what certain play calls mean.
giants put up a big fuss at him leaving—pay him 5 mil under the table.
"Whatever happened in the past, hopefully it's over."
-Donovan Mcnabb
"Now you look at it and you say, 'These guys seem to have their timing together. Why is that?' Because we spend time together."
-Donovan Mcnabb
by SHADY RECORDS on Sep 25, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
that'd be awesome, but I'm pretty sure we'd be kicked out of the league for doing that haha
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 25, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
nah--just fined 500,00 and lose a first round pick like new england.
"Whatever happened in the past, hopefully it's over."
-Donovan Mcnabb
"Now you look at it and you say, 'These guys seem to have their timing together. Why is that?' Because we spend time together."
-Donovan Mcnabb
by SHADY RECORDS on Sep 25, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
There's gotta be a legendary/successful coach licking his chops to take this team for a ride
The last thing I want to hear when I'm using a public urinal is someone telling me I have a nice watch.....
Scared to admit
But I dont think AR can win with this team roster.
The last thing I want to hear when I'm using a public urinal is someone telling me I have a nice watch.....
Bill Cowher, Jeff Fisher, maybe even Urban Meyer.
I say we give Andy the rest of this season and next season to win the SB. If not move him to GM and bring in a new coach.
I'm great like Gatsby.
by Clint Eastwood on Sep 25, 2011 5:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Meyer......now that's interesting......
He made Tebow a boss, imagine what he could do with Vick. I’m a UGA fan so I know what he can do with athletic which we have in spades. I could get behind that.
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by KeepSwinging on Sep 25, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
*athletic players
Fly Eagles Fly, on the road to Vicktory!
by KeepSwinging on Sep 25, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
he recruits like a beast in college, so he obviously has an eye for talent as well, which something else you need in this league. he would be a crazy intriguing signing. but i don’t know, i think it might be better to get a head coach that has more, current, nfl coashing experience, such as one top of the coordinators on some team, or a retired coach.
NFL, I am no longer disappoint.
Spurrier made Wuerffel a boss in college
That went badly
OMG NO WAY
Meyer is incredibly overatted. Has no clue on offense outside of the option.
Although they should consult him to fix short yardage situations
by Sean of the dead on Sep 25, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
People are complaining about the LBs
There bad. Terrible last week and again this week.
But the safeties (Page and Coleman) are the worst combo I have seen in 20 years of watching Eagles’ football. They are what is killing this team. Even if you had awful LBs, if you had safeties that could tackle consistently and were even adequate in coverage, they could cover up a lot of the mistakes the LBs make.
There isn’t a single thing they do even adequately. Coleman is undersized, gets out-muscled, misses too many open field tackles, and struggles whether in man/zone coverage.
Page is just a backup and marginal one.
I am dead serious that you could put a combo of Mikell/Dawkins back at S for this team right now and they would be a notable upgrade even though both guys would be liabilities in coverage. At least they would clean up tackles.
Exactly why we picked up page in mid training camp and why no one else wanted him
by phightin_iggles on Sep 25, 2011 5:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It feels weird
I felt like for most of the game the Eagles were dominating the Giants.
Opinionology! Ignorance is belief.
by espnsucks ((banned)) on Sep 25, 2011 5:17 PM EDT reply actions
Yes Sir!
Im all for experimenting at this point. He can tackle and has speed. He has to be an upgrade over either safety spot. Hanson as the 3rd corner.
by Sean of the dead on Sep 25, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
He has speed, but he can’t tackle.
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I would say it would have to be better than what we already have back there
by phightin_iggles on Sep 25, 2011 5:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
after this week, jarret deserves a shot out there. he can’t be that much worse.
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2 or 3 more losses
And we may as well start every prospect we’ve go
Maybe?
DRC Jarett (fs) Nnamdi & samuel (CB)
I think it would work because of his speed (drc) and his CB skills
I have nothing to say.....
…but this sucks. Don’t wanna watch anymore football today. G’nite folks…..
Same thing happened last week. Self-destruct in 4th quarter..as soon as Vick went out. I’m scared to see what happens next week. Vick did look foggy, I must admit. My stock in Kafka just went down today.
WTF
did i just witness? That was not my Eagle team. No throws down field, unable to score on 4th and goal 4 inches away from the goal line?? Why didnt they use a TE on play action down there? The secondary did a GREAT fucking job of running into each other. Without 7,the seasons over.
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by Dunta Is A PUNK on Sep 25, 2011 5:24 PM EDT reply actions
Why "without 7"?
Bobbled snaps, near INTs, 4 redzone turnovers on the year. Right now, “7” is just as much of a problem as the rest of the team.
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by Jason-E on Sep 25, 2011 5:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I hear u.
It was a classic ‘’we dont give a fuck’’ game. We’ve owned them lately so I think they took this game for granted. I dnt knw how serious the break is,but if he can play,he will play.
"I brought two kegs,one of beer,one of gunpowder" -WARCLOUD
by Dunta Is A PUNK on Sep 25, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeh, because everything you said was all on "7"s shoulders right?
"you cannot think this 6-foot man is going to survive a full season if defenses have 904 chances to knock his block off"
by EaglesandRavensFan on Sep 25, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying it's all on Vick
Just that no one on this team is playing well (minus Cole and McCoy) including Vick.
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by Jason-E on Sep 25, 2011 7:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I said the whole team took this game for granted
Not just Vick
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by Dunta Is A PUNK on Sep 25, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
At best
Q: What do a leaky tampon and Sean McDermott's defense have in common?
A: They are equally ineffective in the red zone.
Ed Wade=all the farm system the Phillies will ever need.
At least Vince Young may finally have to show some accountability for his big mouth
Because if he’s healthy, it’s probable he’ll be going in. And it’ll be his turn to take his dream team out for a drive.
Passionate fans
@SpittyP Spencer Paysinger Getting cursed @, bottles thrown at our buses, and middle fingers by kids, teens, adults, elders. Philly fans are the best! #NYG Stand UP!
@ MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich Guy in a Deuce Staley jersey just launched a water bottle 40 yards and hit the bus dead on. Good throw. Poor judgment #Y_PO_LargeAngryMen
@JustinTuckNYG91 Justin Tuck I’ve never seen some many middle fingers lol I love it.
Opinionology! Ignorance is belief.
by espnsucks ((banned)) on Sep 25, 2011 5:25 PM EDT reply actions
well
who threw the bottle 40 yards… he might be able to help us if vick cant go next week
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL,
Most passionate fans in the NFL=Raiders and Eagles
the raiders come armed
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by espnsucks ((banned)) on Sep 25, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Nate Allen and Kurt Coleman
Could be the worst two safeties in the history of the NFL.
Q: What do a leaky tampon and Sean McDermott's defense have in common?
A: They are equally ineffective in the red zone.
Ed Wade=all the farm system the Phillies will ever need.
Nate Allen is done!
levelHe had plenty of time to heel, it looks like he reached his peak in recovery,he’s not NFL quality anymore. and page just sucks
This is very false patella is very serious and he is still getting shots for pain and swelling he’s being put out there hurt which shows us how bad the safetys are
PHI "We Know Drama"
by DaaaBirdsDaBirds on Sep 25, 2011 7:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The NFC East
now looks so bad the Deadskins might just win it!
The new NFC West!
#2 Flyers fan in England behind Orange and Black Forever (Damn him and his Americanness)
The Eagles is where it all started for me!
7-9 could win the East
Q: What do a leaky tampon and Sean McDermott's defense have in common?
A: They are equally ineffective in the red zone.
Ed Wade=all the farm system the Phillies will ever need.
NO!
I refuse to believe that. We ARE better than that. But I will say no more guarantee two teams from the beast to make the payoffs. The wonder years are over.
The last thing I want to hear when I'm using a public urinal is someone telling me I have a nice watch.....
I actually agree with Mrcc7 below. AR teams do start slow and always lose stupid games but as the season goes on he seems to get things right just in time for the playoffs.
#2 Flyers fan in England behind Orange and Black Forever (Damn him and his Americanness)
The Eagles is where it all started for me!
Reid starts off slow every year
If we keep mike alive,we could get hot and get on a roll,just hate to hear midigits bull all week
by Mrrc7 on Sep 25, 2011 5:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
hey if i post my address on here
Will u guys send me money?
by sandiegoeaglesfan on Sep 25, 2011 5:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
What?
Fly Eagles Fly, on the road to Vicktory!
by KeepSwinging on Sep 25, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The giants are who we thought they were
and we let ‘em off the hook… if you wanna crown they’re asses then crown em’ lol
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 5:32 PM EDT reply actions
Insult to injury
I was pissed seeing all those empty seats towards the end of the game. As fans, we’re better than that.
Why come you don't have a tattoo?
In defense....
The human heart can only be broken so many times.
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fuck that
i closed my bar tab in the 3rd. I stayed till the 4th but my girl said i was turning red so we left. I watched the rest at home. Just in time for Kafkas int. What a fucked up day.
"I brought two kegs,one of beer,one of gunpowder" -WARCLOUD
by Dunta Is A PUNK on Sep 25, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t begrudge people for leaving at the end. The game was over when the 2nd TD happened.
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People were leaving before the 2nd TD happened. Which was embarrassing.
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Castillo needs to be fired.
He should never have been named DC anyway.
Q: What do a leaky tampon and Sean McDermott's defense have in common?
A: They are equally ineffective in the red zone.
Ed Wade=all the farm system the Phillies will ever need.
by EvilBanner on Sep 25, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I can't believe I have to say this...
But we need the cowboys to win tomorrow to keep this division within reach.
Zombies are real! Jerry Jones and Al Davis are proof! Arm yourselves!
by Jason-E on Sep 25, 2011 5:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
No we don’t.
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So you're rooting for the skins?
Who, if they win tomorrow, will more than likely be 4-0 when we face them after their bye
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by Jason-E on Sep 25, 2011 6:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The O line
The O line is still bad but i think Vick is also holding the ball to long. He keeps getting destroyed back there.
They can’t even stop a 3 man rush.
Pitiful.
Our Redzone offense has been and continues to be an issue. Cost us a win last week, cost us a win this week. I love the fact that we have an innovative offense, but at times where we need to be MEN, we get CUTE and it costs us REPEATEDLY.
I don’t know why Juan was so determined to blitz this game, he hung his hat on the ‘bend but don’t break, blitz less mantra…’ I believe the biggest plays we gave up came on blitzes by us, at times where it wasn’t needed.
Andy needs to do some soul searching, Juan needs to visit one of the few Borders books stores that have yet to close and get a Coaching for Dummies manual and Nnamdi needs to show his value. I’ve only seen one good game from this man.
And lastly the penalties. We lost 10-15 yards on one drive after back to back false starts, and turned an opposing field goal into a TD on an off-sides.
'Study long. ... Study wrong. ..' Chad Butler
by Illadelphia-Braintrust on Sep 25, 2011 5:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
We have multiple candidates for "worst player in the NFL"
starting for us.
Q: What do a leaky tampon and Sean McDermott's defense have in common?
A: They are equally ineffective in the red zone.
Ed Wade=all the farm system the Phillies will ever need.
Oh Jason
The coaching decisions were absolutely terrible, with none worse than the decision to go for it on 4th down from midfield in the 4th
I love you, man, but this sentence is just wrong. That decision was absolutely, 100%, the right call. Just because it did not work out, does not mean it was not the decision that put the Eagles in the best possible position to win the game. Because it was.
Before replying, it is recommended you read the 4th down study. If you don’t have time and want to get to the money chart, here is Part 4.
Don’t get me wrong, there was a lot not to like about this game, and a lot of the play-calling in the redzone was bad (Owen Schmitt, really?) but instead of the 4th down in Giants territory being the worst play call, that was one of the calls the Eagles got right. Just because it did not work does not mean it was not the right decision. Research and analysis backs this up every time.
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by Justin F. on Sep 25, 2011 5:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The decision making may have been right, but the way they went about it sucked.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
4th and 1 inside opponent’s territory and you give it to the person who has been head and shoulders the best player on the field? I just wish they would have done that in their goalline situations.
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by Justin F. on Sep 25, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Should have pitched it
And I hate pitches. The inside running was too predictable at that stage for me.
The offensive line was run blocking to perfection. No reason not to go inside. They had not stopped McCoy all damn game.
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Research and analysis on historic events doesn’t come into play as much when its a live situation and you have to base your decision off of the sample size of the game you are currently involved in. Based on how the offense had performed in that situation or similar situations in the first 3 quarters of the game, the amount of time remaining in the game, and the position they were on the field, it was the wrong call.
NFL, I am no longer disappoint.
The research is based off live situations and takes all these situation into consideration. Good offenses, crappy offenses, good defenses, crappy defenses. Check out this chart.
There is not a shred of doubt that was the right decision and the right play call. It’s not even close to questionable. Just because it did not work, does not mean it was wrong. That decision and that call was absolutely right.
If you can’t accept, then that is ignorance on your part.
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He’s talking in specifics, you’re talking in generalities.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
Specifics, generalities, it does not matter. The research takes all these specifics and dictates what should be done on 4th down in all situations, in this situation, it is not even close. Go for it puts you in a better position to win the game.
If it was near the line, then okay yeah maybe, but if you map out this point, it is nowhere close to the line.
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If I have never smacked you in head with a hammer before, but today I smack you in the head with a hammer every time you say chart, will you assume it’s safe to say chart, because of historical precedence? Or are you going to think twice when I start raising my hammer at the sound of “ch”?
Specificity counts.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
by KByars on Sep 25, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It does not take all the specifics.
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What you are looking at and doing is lumping hundreds, if not thousands, of games into on average. Every game and every situation is different and should be treated differently. If you base every decision on historical statistics you will make a lot of mistakes.
NFL, I am no longer disappoint.
There's only one way you can come to a conclusive decision, and that's by using a large amount of samples
They made the right decision, they made the wrong playcall. Simple as that.
by cwel87 on Sep 25, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And just a clarification, this chart features in the article I linked to above.
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You need
Snoopy up there with a pointer and a supercilious look.
Conan!, What is good in Football?!
Daa.... to run between the tackles,
To drive the linebackers before you,
And to hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders.
by The Pale Scot on Sep 25, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree.
I agree with what Lawlor said:
Reid’s decision to go for it on 4th/1 was terrible. We had the lead. We needed to punt and force them deep. The Giants had already stonewalled us in short yardage situations near the GL and elsewhere. Dumb risk. And we paid the price for that decision.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Sep 25, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I love Lawlor, but I disagree with him.
Play the percentages. That is what the Eagles did.
That being said, they should have gone for it on 4th and goal, especially in the 2nd half. They should have given it to McCoy in their goalline situations, they did not do that.
Andy Reid went aggressive once and it did not work. I am not mad about that. What I am mad about is the aforementioned settling for field goals. Down 1, with 4th and goal at the 1 and you kick the field goal? Now that was an awful decision.
The decision in Giants territory in the 4th was the right one.
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But how is that decision right when we couldn’t convert a short yardage situation in that game to save our lives? It wasn’t just that play, there were multiple times before that where we couldn’t convert.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Sep 25, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree with playing the percentages there. Our D had shut down the Giants their last couple of possessions. Punt it and try and pin them back and let the D stop them.
by Ben16 on Sep 25, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Sep 25, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s the smarter strategy,
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No. It is not.
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duck season
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
rabbit season!
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Sep 25, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
No it was not
Your stats do not account for the fact that a. Vick was injured b. We had a two-point lead c. THe interior of our line blows in run blocking and d. Shady is not a power back.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
There’s a lot they don’t account for. Just another misguided attempt to quantify football in the way that baseball is quantified.
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What can we get for Young,Matthews,Page,Allen & Juan?
A 2 liter pepsi with a bag of bbq chips would be a great deal. Add a pack of M&M’s and we’ll give you Andy. And that’s that I don’t even eat junk food!
Mentioned this last week after the fumbled handolf inside the 5 on the fake toss trap play,
It not just the goaline play calling being bad because it hasnt worked, its that they continue to disregard basic principals that have been in the NFL for 100 years. Your best offensive player is your RB, give him a fullback in front of him in the I and bang out a yard. The Eagles ran 3 plays and McCoy didnt touch it once and the final play was a split backfield fullback dive. Stop being so cute. Please put an I formation in the playbook.
by Dpez71 on Sep 25, 2011 5:46 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Well at least we have a 2 weeks to recover
Pick up an easy win over San Fran then prepare to be the first team to knock off the Bills this year
No easy wins with this team
Fly Eagles Fly, on the road to Vicktory!
by KeepSwinging on Sep 25, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Seeing frank gore staring at these LBs
Not an easy win at all. We used up our chip in win on the 1st game
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OMG. I just realized something that is sooo depressing
We’re worse than the Bills and the Lions…
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by Jason-E on Sep 25, 2011 5:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Firstly - the Eagles played like donkey shit
It sucked. It was a shitty loss. It’s also week 3.
As for the Giants fans coming out of the woodwork on the Eagles SBN site – this isn’t where you belong. Stop being tools and get the fuck off our turf.
As for the division – it sucks. There’s no getting around that. It didn’t look particularly strong in the offseason, and with this choke-job the Eagles are doing, every part of it is falling apart.
On the flip side, at least the Lions and Bills are fun to watch. :-(
No different
than the trolls from BGN that got banned last year. Dish it out but can’t take it.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 26, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Only Tom Brady could throw four picks and still get me 33 fantasy points.
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by McNabb2Maclin4Philly on Sep 25, 2011 5:54 PM EDT reply actions
Im seriously worried about our D!
D-Line looks pretty good
Linebackers are just awful
Secondary is hugely overrated and currently stinks
Staff – What, Where, Why! Head up their arse!
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Is it fair to say...
That since McNabb turned into Nate Allen and Casey Matthews, that we actually lost that trade?
Not Exactly
His career hasn’t been all sunshine and rainbows since then.
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by McNabb2Maclin4Philly on Sep 25, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone lost in that trade
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by UKFlyer on Sep 25, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey remember when I said last week people were overrating Kafka's performance and his deep ball was complete shit?
3 deep balls today. 1/3 for 19 yards with 2 INT.
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his deepball is shit
but you cant go by those garbage time stats where the giants secondary was sitting back knowing what he had to do
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Juan Castillo sucks so bad that he makes McDermott look like a genius
…and what D# coach are we going against next week?
thats the point lol
he SHOULDNT be D coordinator during a “win now” year with his lack of experience
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Suck for Luck, fire Reid, you name it.
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by McNabb2Maclin4Philly on Sep 25, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
im in
Nnamdi has his continent, Asante has his no fly zone, and Mr. Rodgers has his neighborhood.
by NorthernEagle on Sep 25, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Tired of the Bullshit
And if I can’t rant for a second… I was going nuts at the awful analysis from the Fox booth today. Time and time again Daryl Johnston praised the Giants for their brilliant play designs attacking the Eagles “wide nine system.” Nonsense. Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs were simply breaking tackles.
Every week we get more and more excuses for the coaching changes. Every week they get the benefit of the doubt and every week we get the ironic “fire every coach” nonsense. Well, I for one am done. And now we’re defending the failschemes on the main page too? Come on Jason!
The “wide nine” system is flat out, 100%, the reason for giving up big run plays. If you play normal front 4 defense, 1 arm on Bradshaw/Jacobs slows them enough for another defender (close by) to help make the tackle. The “wide nine” system puts the RB’s into space from the start! It’s a fact! There’s a reason other teams don’t use it. There’s a reason the MLB of the Titans LAST YEAR had 150+ tackles in the season. That’s averaging 10 per game… Casey is averaging 3 per game. Chaney isn’t good enough either.
We can’t run this defense… won’t happen, can’t happen, stop living in denial.
PLease
Give me a break. You just proved what I was saying. You blame the system and then point out how the players didn’t do their job. Which is it?
The fact is that guys weren’t making tackles. That has nothing to do with the system. Whether you play wide nine or whatever, if you get your hands on a guy and don’t bring him down…. it doesn’t matter.
And how does this excuse the coaches?
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The Eagles were already known as a small defense, yes? Now you put them into space in the wide nine defense. Result? You’re watching it. I’m not posing a solution, I’m just not living in denial.
Denial of what?
You think guys that missed tackles today wouldn’t have missed those tackles if the defensive ends were a few feet over?
Please, that’s ridiculous.
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You’ve never seen a RB stopped by a blocked hole vs. a tackle? Seriously man.. If it was RB vs. LB 1 on 1 you’d see RB’s running all over a defense every week, oh wait, that’s what you’re seeing right now!
It’s not RB vs LB one on one. There were multiple missed tackles on these plays.
And further, that doesn’t even matter anyway. The “wide nine” calls for LBs to maintain gap responsibility just like any other scheme. So why would we ever assume that this group would be filling gaps if they were in a different place? The concepts are no different. If you don’t fill your gaps and make tackles, you won’t be successful regardless of whether the DEs line up a few feet to the left or right.
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First of all, it’s a game of inches, not feet. I respect your opinion, but I just don’t buy it. A missed tackle in one game, is a tackle for a loss in another. The problem is that a missed tackle in a wide nine is a TD.
For the most part, we shut down the run last season. Our breakdown was in coverage. You can’t tell me that we wouldn’t be better off in 2011 games #1, #2, and #3 with last year’s scheme and adding Nnamdi and Jenkins. I’d still get rid of McD (he had no passion, just don’t like him, etc.. whole diff topic) but our defense wasn’t half bad at creating turnovers and stopping the run. Both of which are suffering right now.
You’re comparing different personnel from last year to this year. You can’t use that as proof that the scheme is the biggest problem.
And the fact is that “a missed tackle in a wide nine is a TD” is simply not true.
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It’s only not true if you have a MLB making 10+ tackles per games. Did you look at the Titans MLB tackles last season? I’m not making this shit up… 150+ tackles! We can’t run this scheme without those tackles from our LB’ers… 3 games and 4 tackles is the highest total from a LB? You’ve got Asante tackling better than Casey right now..
But you are working on the assumption that Casey Matthews would be better in another system and there’s no basis for that.
If we had the same LB corps as last year and there was a notable change in production, then yeah you can point to the scheme as the common denominator.
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It’s not so much about another scheme making the LBs better, it’s about making them less exposed.
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Use wide 9 when we have lead
Stop closing eyes and keeping heads down riushing blindly at the qb pocket and help our lb stop the run until we put them in passing situations
by Mrrc7 on Sep 25, 2011 8:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Stop the run? Like it was the run that burned them today?
It wasn’t.
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If your personnel cannot succeed in the scheme, then the scheme is the problem.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
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Unless you’ve given up on the season.. in a couple games when we’re 2-8 record then I’ll be siding with Jason. The scheme works… let’s draft some replacements!
The scheme itself isn’t bad, but you have to have the personnel to man it. Mack trucks are powerful, but if your legs are too short to reach the pedals, you’re not going anywhere.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
Here’s the problem though. You can’t tell me that you know whether we’ve got the personnel to be successful in any other scheme though.
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It seems obvious that any scheme that would reduce our reliance on our LBs, would be an improvement.
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What scheme reduces our reliance on LBs?! They’re 43% of the front 7 in a 4-3 scheme. There’s no hiding!
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I’m not even saying the scheme works perse. I’m just saying that the underlying problem has to be dealt with before we worry about the scheme.
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KByars got the analogies going so here we go
Fact: “Wide nine” defense is the Ferrari of the league when it comes to rushing the QB. It exposes the defense to run gaps and puts pressure on the LBers to stop it.
Fact: Eagles 2010 defense scheme was a basic 4-3 that relied on the blitz packages to keep the pressure on… more like a Toyota Camry with a few upgrades.
Is it easier to drive a Camry or a Ferrari?
Well I don’t buy either of those as “facts,” but again you’re referring to different personnel. I don’t know that they’d be any better in last year’s scheme.
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Casey’s on the verge of being benched as it is.. which would make the LB personnel exactly the same with Bradley injured. The only difference would be Jenkins (upgrade over Bunkley no doubt?) and Babin (questionable in a different scheme, but probably better than Parker last year)
That’s not true. Chaney only played a handful of games last year. FOkou did not start all year.
As for the 3rd player, I don’t even know who you are referring to
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Already mentioned it before....
But the blitz we did last year, kept the opposing Offense in max protect more often, which limited the receivers on the field. Now that we have Nnamdi and Asante on each side, there’s actually a huge advantage to blitzing that we have yet to see the Eagles take advantage of. Asante and Nnamdi are both useless vs. 4 receivers spreading the field.
That's where
your speed freak is costing you.
Be better off with less physically talented but smart vets
Conan!, What is good in Football?!
Daa.... to run between the tackles,
To drive the linebackers before you,
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by The Pale Scot on Sep 25, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no idea what you replied to… could be my browser, but I’d need a ruler to line that up, lol. Smarter coaches might be a solution… but I have no idea what you’re referring to with speed freak.. on our defense?
Yeah I don’t know either.
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It really benefits the guys up front
But it’s honestly not anything close to optimal without an adequate middle linebacker. And, to be frank, I’m not sure if we have an adequate linebacker at all.
Why didn’t we sign Tulloch again?
So what is the optimal system for when you have no good LBs?
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Clearly not whatever the hell it is we're running
We just gave up 29 points to that shit offense and 31 points to another shit offense last week
My point is...
There is none.
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Well, it's time for the coaches to earn their keep and devise a scheme that doesn't give the opposition an opportunity to exploit our greatest weakness with regularity
Honestly, I’d prefer to see a 5-2 at this point
There is, but we’d have to sacrifice some pressure to do it. Our D-line is all out on penetration, we’d have to push them towards more run stopping.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
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I don’t really buy it. If you can’t fill your gap or make tackles in one scheme, why would you do it another?
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That’s like saying if you can’t swim in a current, how are you gonna swim in a pool. I’m not especially fond of having the line hang back to see if there’s a run, but if the LBs can’t stop the run, you have to give them some help from the front.
The situation is what the situation is. You either evolve or die. As opposed to dying, I would prefer that we evolve, even if means having a less dynamic defense.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
But we have to look at why they’re struggling. Why can’t they swim? Is it that they can’t handle the current or is it that they can’t do something as basic as paddle?
Tackling is something you have to do in any scheme. They have done that very poorly this year.
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But what's the point realy...
This is what our GM looks like right now.
Step 1) We spent 12 mil per year on a Cover Corner opposite Asante
Immediate Result: Literally Shuts down the field in a max protect 2 WR route
Step 2) Convert to “wide nine” defense which rushes 4
Immediate Result: You never see the O-line max protect, instead you’ve got 3 WR’s and a TE out on the field.
On the opposite side of the field you’ve got…
Step 1) Shaky O-line with Vick learning to call blitz protection for the first time in his career
Immediate Result: Max protect on Vick with 2 WR routes way too often
Max protect on Vick, 2 receiver routes, no where to throw. Vick getting injured in the pocket.
Our coaching staff is putting less thought into this team than the 5 minutes I put into a heated forum post after losing a horrible, horrible game.
I miss Q
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by Jason-E on Sep 25, 2011 6:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I bet he misses us right about now. Rams are down 30-0.
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by McNabb2Maclin4Philly on Sep 25, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
if Dawk and Q are here
we arent having a conversation about how much we suck because good safties cover up LB deficiencies
Our starting safety also shouldn’t be on the team simply because he recovered 3 fumbles in preseason and replaced Machoman Harris. It’s amazing to me that Coleman hasn’t been exploited until this game… people can stop being fooled by his magical ability to pick a football up off the ground after someone else stripped it now.
No they don’t.
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So you're mad then?
In all seriousness though, it was a well played game. I t was a nail biter until you guys decided to give us the ball at mid field. Thanks for that btw, good luck guys.
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 25, 2011 6:03 PM EDT reply actions
Thanks for not trolling… but I didn’t think that was a well played game at all… sloppy as hell, missed tackles, penalties
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No problem, just had to get in my gut punch was all.
Vick didn’t look right all game, I don’t think he was 100% from the concussion. Sucks about his hand too. You think you guys will go to VY or stick with Kafka?
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by ManningHam and Cheese on Sep 25, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
So you admit to trolling? Well, that makes it easy.
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Really?
after some of the verbal filth I’ve read here tonight, you hit a guy who said nothing bad, and says good luck guys? Hey, if that’s what you want your site known for.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 26, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
They’ll probably stay with Kafka for next week, but I wish they went to VY… who has actually proven he can win games in the NFL before… with a much less talented offense than the Eagles. And agreed that Vick looked off all game, we didn’t try any deep passes either, it’s usually a big part of the offense I was surprised
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it was a well played game.
Well this might be the dumbest thing anyone has said in this thread.
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seriously?
It was a pretty good game. Vick may have been a bit off, maybe shouldn’t have played… but today the Gmen had a well executed gameplan.
Pretty lame that you just throw around the banhammer when a Giants fan makes a reasonable comment…
Go Big Blue!
It was a horrible game.
You are dumb.
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A: They are equally ineffective in the red zone.
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for you
it was a horrible game…
For me it was a great game. But I was trying to be polite. Today the Giants played better. I have been in your position before, but I don’t call people dumb, because I am too smart for that.
Sorry for your loss today, Have some beers, chill out, and wait until we meet again…
It should be ANOTHER good game.
Go Big Blue!
Nope, it was a horrible game by both teams. The Eagles were the dominate team, and should have won. But that still means both teams were horrible.
Eagles: 1-1, sigh
Flyers: Soon
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Try reading. The OP said it was a “Well played game,” which is patently dumb.
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So what exactly qualifies Casey Matthews to be a starting LB in the NFL?
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lol let me spell it out: m a t t h e w s haha that has to be the only reason, his name, because he hasn’t done shit to warrant a starting spot.
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I'm gonna buy
some HGH from the silk road and mail it to his ass, either he gets caught and suspended or he uses it, it’s a win win
I'm getting sick of people saying that it's because of his name
I was pissed that we drafted him, let alone that he actually plays. But it’s because the coaches saw something that they liked. It’s NOT the name. Otherwise we would also be starting Greg Lloyd.
by Turd.Ferguson on Sep 25, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone know the top LB prospects this year in draft?
by The Fish on Sep 25, 2011 6:11 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah we’ll probably draft another 26 year old that can’t even start right away
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Reid loves his fucking project picks doesn’t he? Trying to look smart all the time, Gocong, Jeremy Bloom
by Sept.28.Oct.27.Dec.28.2008 on Sep 25, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Forget which pregame I was watching
But they were talking up Tulloch as the missing piece that was really amping up the Detroit defense this year.
Sigh
Vontaze Burfict
But they will never draft an LB early.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
by EREX21 on Sep 25, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If we had made that 4 down call, everyone would be on here praising Reid about how great of a call it was.
Well that’s the way it works in the NFL. I have no problem with it.
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I disagree. You can do the wrong thing and get the right result. That doesn’t make the decision to go for it right.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I agree. That’s a questionable decision either way given the area of the field. Sure, if they convert we say it took balls, but even that acknowledges how questionable the decision is.
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and if we would have scored a few more touchdown we would have won the game.
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Exactly
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Andy needs to let Vick run, the offense is at it’s best when Vick is scrambling and making plays with his feet and his arm.
I'm great like Gatsby.
this is not
a good concept if you want vick to play more than 10 games this season. if you are referring to controlled roll outs with his option, that’s one thing, but most of Vick’s runs are making miraculous saves of broken down line play. That’s dangerous, and he can win the battles but will lose the war.
It’s just now hitting me. Pass the beer.
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by McNabb2Maclin4Philly on Sep 25, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Got into the office today (Live and work in Manhattan) and have not heard the end of it sheeshhh
by Two Nickels on Sep 26, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm REALLY Missing. ..
Mikel, Dawkins, Witherspoon. … Mikel especially. This team keeps thinking we can plug 7th rounders in and play at an elite level. Terrible.
All that cap space we STILL have, & there was no room for Mikel?
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by Illadelphia-Braintrust on Sep 25, 2011 6:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Witherspoon?
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lol
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Sep 25, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I know people dont give 2 shits about him
but witherspoon has something we could use now… coverage ability… great cover LB, other than that it is what it is
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn’t really about cap space. It was about not locking up a 30+ player long term when you just spent two second round picks on safeties.
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Jarrett & Allen. ..
One player who has yet to be activated (queue Lockout reference), and another who was clearly coming off a devastating knee injury. Until we see him on the field, Jarrett was a reach; we don’t even hear about this man making strides in practice. Allen is coming along, and I understand the thought behind NOT locking up Mikel. But, when you’re trying to win a championship NOW how can you afford so many uncertainties?
Sign Mikel for 3 years, 4 years and ship him out via trade or cut when one of those young safeties PROVE themselves. All that contract ‘wizardry’ we have, I’m sure there was a way a mutually favorable contract could have been constructed.
Will Witherspoon, a WLB that’s actually made plays in this league and his OWN name. Anyone is better than Clay Matthews at this point, even (dare I say) Ernie Sims.
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by Illadelphia-Braintrust on Sep 25, 2011 6:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why would Mikell sign for three years?
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That was just a number I was throwing out there. I simply stated that I couldn’t understand why we couldn’t/didn’t resign Mikel. You brought up a length discrepancy, so I simply ran w/ it. 3 years, 2 years. .. 4 years, we could have and should have brought him back.
This strikes me as a Teo’-esque move by Roseman. What’s done is done though.
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by Illadelphia-Braintrust on Sep 25, 2011 6:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
“This strikes me as a Teo’-esque move by Roseman.”
That means nothing. Explain that?
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I've always been indifferent when it came down to Andy
The methods that he uses were unorthodox, but somehow they always worked. So I could never really complain. But lately, those methods haven’t been working out as much especially lately. Its like the NFL changed yet Andy didn’t if you asked me. I have nothing against the guy for all that he’s done for us for the last 12 years, but to be honest, just like it was time for a change when we let McNabb go, maybe its time we move on from Reid as well.
No this isn’t a snap reaction from the game today, I’ve had this in mind for a long time (more or less ever since the whole timeout thing against the Packers). And I’m not saying do it tonight or tomorrow, but he’s been making some questionable moves especially as of late so I’m thinking its something that should be definitely considered around the end of the season.
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Also
Morgan Burnett is reminding me why I clamored for him so much last year.
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graham?
1st rounder last year right? where is he?
PUP
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got it
so he will be back in the pass rushing role by the time things get really interesting. babin, cole, graham, jenkins. and parker should be back too. and the cbs. that’s more than enough to fix the problems.
On the PUP list
He will be eligible to play after week 6
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THIS IS OUR ONLY CHANCE !!!!!
And we did it wrong. Who thinks nextyear were going to have all these weopons next year? Let’s see how many of you think that were going to sign DRC next year ? how about Samuel, you know were not signing Steve Smith (btw) I don’t trust him. I would love to thank you J.Laurrie for giving Juan “the drunk driver” Castillo the keys to a corvette calibur d#
if anything DRC will be the one we do keep, he is the youngest of the group. I can see steve smith perhaps signing for a moderate contract and us cutting ties with avant. also vince young’s cap hit will be gone when he leaves, our whole D line is basically locked up. We’ll have the same questions on OL unless we make a move
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What? Did you see smith today? Get him the fuck outtha here!
I would never replace Avant for Giants “Leftover Garbage”
I rather replace Avant with a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick.
Since recievers are the only thing were good at drafting anyway it should not be a problem.
Do you really believe we’re good at drafting wideouts? That’s a new phenomenon for Reid and co. Here, tell me if any of these guys sound familiar: todd pinkston, freddie mitchell, ronnie brown, jeremy bloom, freddie milons, na brown, troy smith, gari scott, billy mcmullen, and brandon gibson(he my end up decent).
So in 12 years the only ‘stand-out’ WR’s we’ve drafted are: Maclin, Jackson, Avant, and MAYBE Cooper (time will tell). That’s it. So yes, I will gladly take a healthy Steve Smith. And if you think we’re going to just release or trade DRC after we gave up Kolb to get him, you are wrong. That’s not how the Eagles operate.
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"Healthy Steve Smith" your kidding right?
And you’ll take DRC over Samuel? And don’t give me that age shit because nnamdi’s the same age as Samuel and we had no problem signing Nnamdi, yet Samuel held it down when all we had was Dimitri’s garbage ass. As much as we like the name game Samuel has proven himself, the others we have to wait and see. Nnamdi & DRC could of been great because of the system they were in, atleast we know Samuel did great in our system. And this is not about who’s better then who, it’s about what’s going to work for us. But if the Eagles sign DRC you know we lose 22.
Why would I be kidding about healthy steve smith... wtf?
And where did I say I’d take drc over samuel? copy and paste that part of what i said in a reply so I can see. and a fully healed steve smith > avant.
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If Andy and Co. were to finally draft genuine talent at need positions instead of chinese knockoffs please try for this guy in 2012
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If he plays like he did last year then sure
But if he’s playing like he does this year……..no.
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DAMN!
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by Dunta Is A PUNK on Sep 25, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody?
Nnamdi has his continent, Asante has his no fly zone, and Mr. Rodgers has his neighborhood.
No... he looks too beastly
we’ll get a better LB next year in the 5th…. yeah, I know
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
the blood-line
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
R2C2!
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Sep 25, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
If we had Burfict to be the QB of our defense with studs in every corner around him (Nnamdi, Asante, Babin, Cole) we could nasty. His leadership abilities are on par with Ray Lewis. If we’re not winning the super bowl I want this guy as a consolation prize.
Fly Eagles Fly, on the road to Vicktory!
by KeepSwinging on Sep 25, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I got some bitch-ass 'he's crazy' when suggested him in another thread
They wanted Te’o. Please.
Give me crazy when crazy does that.
I would gladly trade up in the draft to get him...we need a guy like this.
Nnamdi has his continent, Asante has his no fly zone, and Mr. Rodgers has his neighborhood.
by NorthernEagle on Sep 25, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Guys.
I’ve been dealing with the Eagles shitting on their fans for years. Ya’ll can keep talking about how bad Casey is (and trust me I AGREE WITH ALL OF YOU) but we all know he’ll be starting again next week. Andy is a fat fucking waste…
Can someone tell me why we even bothered picking up Vince Young?
I hardly blame Kafka for his performance. He’s a young inexperienced. quarterback getting thrown into a game we are losing to a huge rival, not to mention a home game.
Just seems to me they should have put Young in. Even though he most likely would have been useless also, he at least has more experience in these kind of situations.
So he could say dream team and cause the media to drain all of our blood.
Fly Eagles Fly, on the road to Vicktory!
by KeepSwinging on Sep 25, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Well Kafka took the first team snaps this week. So he was more prepared.
And I don’t know whether Vince Young is still getting over the hamstring or not.
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He actually had a sack.
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I was probably in too much shock and didnt notice, unfortunetly.
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, he was very quiet today. Yes he had a sack, but otherwise you never heard from him.
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being blocked by Chris Snee
An actual NFL caliber guard.
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
my bad
just came over to see what was being said & forgot where I was.
Nobody wins the Superblow in September.
Talk is Cheap! Play the Game!
So what was the word on VY today? Was he healthy enough to play, but didn’t because he didn’t get reps, or is he still not 100% and was just there as the emergency QB?
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Well, first and foremost he didn’t get the reps. Kafka got the reps during the week. That’s why he came in.
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I dont think it would have mattered who was QB out there today
The whole team from coach to waterboy was offsync, inconsistent and just plain suckin….
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Sep 25, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Eagles are 1-2
Lions are 3-0.
Bills beat the Pats after being downed 21-0
Raiders are beating the Jets.
Peyton Manning is missing games.
Rex Grossman isn’t acting like a crappy QB.
Who the hell broke the NFL?
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
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Two things
It’s week 3.
Teams go from good to bad/bad to good every year. This is nothing new.
And Rex Grossman has turned the ball over 3 times in 2 games. Let’s not get crazy.
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Roger Goodell.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
by EREX21 on Sep 25, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
week 3
As a Giant fan, I just wanted to say I respect the writer of this article for at least telling it like it is, unlike certain bloggers who remain nameless and reach for excuses like “the opposition expected a big loss today..”. The Eagles had the advantage and on paper are probably a better team. But that’s why games are played on the field.
Its a little silly for Vick to b e whining about him getting hit – what does he expect the opposition to do, stop pursuing him when he scrambles in or out of the pocket? If you want to run you are going to get hit. I saw an Eagle player reach out and almost snap Manning’s neck due to a blatant facemask, he was knocked on his @ss a few times today too. But I don’t see Eli whining to the cameras about bad officiating.
I have told friends who are Eagle fans since 2003 – you’re problem is not a lack of talent, nor a lack of resources or money. Your problem is Andy Reid. He stubbornly insists on that West Coast offense and historically under used a strong running game. Honestly? I picked Atlanta and Philadelphia in teh NFC Championship game this year, and it still could happen. But if Andy Reid is your coach, that stubborn attitude of his will make it more and more difficult for you to achieve. Good luck.
Vick was complaining about the hits inside the pocket. After he gets rid of the ball. and Andy Reid is the most tenured coach in the NFL, he’s not still here by accident
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
R2C2!
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Sep 25, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Tired of hearing °its not played on paper'
You know they are actruly real players behind those names, great players
not today they weren’t lol
by Mrrc7 on Sep 25, 2011 9:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Babin 4 sacks, Jenkins 4 sacks, Cole 3 sacks, Tapp 2 sacks. 13 sacks from d-linemen alone, we just can’t stop teh run.
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with that much front four pressure
where the hell are the turnovers?
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Burnett
2 interceptions today…….man I wish we drafted him.
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what rnd he go and to who?
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To the Packers, I believe in the 3rd round, might have been the 2nd.
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by KeepSwinging on Sep 25, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
3rd round
To the Packers.
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DTO man…we couldnt pass up on him…common now..
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Sep 25, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Wide-9
can somebody explain it to me. I saw it work well for you guys last week but it didn’t work as well this week. It just seems like it would be better to not tell the other team where you are rushing. Does it only work against certain o-line types.
by wyominggiantsfan on Sep 25, 2011 6:50 PM EDT reply actions
The ends spread out a lot, allows for better pass rush but it opens up the middle for running, that’s where the linebackers are supposed to stop them, but unfortunately our linebackers are about as good as the ones at my local high school
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Now you have to go to your local high school and apologize to them now… good job lol
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its a pass rush designed line
Its made for the DEs to pretty much rush blindly after the QB. Its highly effective against the pass. But because the DEs fire up field, it leaves holes behind them the LBs have to fill. It only works if you LBs can make plays or block shred or else you leave huge running lanes. Which is what our problems are. Our LBs aren’t good enough to fill another teams practice squad let alone make plays which is why we are in the predicament we are.
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couldn't you guys just not run it that bad if your lbzzzzzzz suck
it seems to me that a normal front would work well. you guys do have a good ends and dts
by wyominggiantsfan on Sep 25, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Well the reason we have bad LBs
Is more or less by choice than by good reason. Reid has never taken the LB spot with any seriousness. His ideals are you rush the passer with the D-Line and cover with corners. Everyone else is there by default. And that was fine when we had Trotter and Dawkins back there to solve that and had the late great JJ to take care of that. But ever since JJ passed, Reid has put it on himself to call a lot of shots on D that he really can’t make. Pretty much we are the NFC East version of the Colts. We have an offense that is designed to put up points, and a defense that is designed to prevent big plays in the passing game. Problem is we don’t have Peyton Manning to run up the score and have an offense that tends to start off slow which leaves our defense out to dry because teams will start running early and where us down.
Your questions are about as good as ours at this point.
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Honestly guys
Good game today. I mean that sincerely. Hope Vick gets better – I prefer he plays as he is a phenomenal player with so much talent. As a Giants fan, it certainly feels good to have the win but the Eagles rivalry is I think the best in the NFL. Year in, year out, you usually field a contender. McCoy is a beast, and you have some great WRs and CBs.
Defense overall, across the league, has been atrocious. 5 QBs currently are on track to beat the NFL yardage record for a season. I think your D will begin to gel. Heck, the Giants who have started to look better, gave up way too many yards to Grossman – who I really don’t think is actually any better this year. Furthermore, every team has its weak spots.
All streaks come to an end though. It’s football, any given Sunday. We’ve lost to you 6 times in a row, we’ve beaten you 9 times in a row before. Heck Buffalo toppled NE, the Lions defeated the Vikings, etc.
You got good players, good coaches, you’ll contend – I’m sure of it.
Best of luck. See you in week 11.
by gatesoffire1178 on Sep 25, 2011 6:53 PM EDT reply actions
With Vick out for who knows how long......
at least we can still put up points on O. But running the ball must remain a priority. As far as D goes, I’m convicted to playing man to man and put either an extra LB or put the heaviest tackle on the nose for a five man front. Damn it, a five man front doesnt sound too bad, the way our LBs look it might be the best option on passing and running plays.
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Ima genius.
Im really entertaining a five man front with man to man coverage.
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If one more person says "gel"
I’m reaching for my knife. Every player and sports commentator talking about we need to “gel” like we are a fucking science project made out of jelatin! I’ll tell you what we could of used some of that KY"gel" today the way they eff’d us up!
This, “gelling” is overrated, if everybody does their fucking job, there’s no need to “gel”
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Well...
…it’s useful for “high motor men” to have time to “gel” and benefit from “intangibles”
Time’s yours.
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A: They are equally ineffective in the red zone.
Ed Wade=all the farm system the Phillies will ever need.
All I’m saying is VY better start next week, a loss to the 49ers is absolutely unacceptable
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Not at all, but it’s done now, gotta focus on winning next week
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Would be nice if we just scraped this wide 9
it just don’t work for us (wide 9), we got too much talent for that bs scheme. that scheme requires quality LB’s DB’s something we don’t have so let’s just play some conventional football.
And Andy needs to just keep it simple we got too much talent for those tricky plays. Most of Andy’s plays come from a time when our recievers were garbage so he had to do all that bullshit, but now he got weapons that other teams would kill for, and he’s playing them all wrong. Andy’s plays are just outdated.
Lets not dump the 9
But we don’t have to use it EVERY down. Also, there is no mystery in our D, There is nothing for the QB to figure out but hand the ball off and throw within 3 seconds and boom our strength has been removed.
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End is near
Chill out it is Week 3. Losing Vick is a big deal but if they win 2 of 3 before the bye they are in decent shape. Just can’t bury themselves early.
I've only got one word, then one point
Frustrated.
We’ve got the 49ers next week.
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I despreately need a win next week
I do have a question for all those eagle fans I had the pleasure of discussing Jackson’s contract with prior to the start of the season…….Where the hell was your MR. best threat in the game? He has 6 drop passes in 3 games with 3 of those misses being TD’s. Dropping passes at inadvertant times is not what a player does in a contract year. At this point in the year he would be lucky to get 2 mill a year
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36 plus years of rooting for the Eagles I think are comming to fruition this year.
I am not a FAN.... I am a FANATIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If we never got Nnamdi & Young
teams would not be so fixed on us, Nnamdi proved to me that he is overated,btw everybody talks shit about Samuel not being able to tackle but how about Nnamdi with that poor tackle today? If it ever comes down to Samuel & Nnamdi, good bye 24.
22 is a beast!
BTW not just this game but also the Browns game he got burned!!
Not worth the 60 Mil imo, we already had a combination of DRC & Samuel what else can you ask for? We could of used that money to take care of the O-line and LB"s
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Conan!, What is good in Football?!
Daa.... to run between the tackles,
To drive the linebackers before you,
And to hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders.
by The Pale Scot on Sep 25, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
What did Nnamdi do wrong other than be the recipient of Kurt Coleman’s poor tackle attempt?
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Sign a 60 million contract to play for the Eagles apparently.
I honestly get why people complain about Philadelphia fans sometimes. The guy signs a contract, at a discount no less, and is getting ripped for a perceived missed tackle that wasn’t even his fault.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
And the Cruz touchdown catch, which really was just a great catch by Cruz. Nnamdi played it perfectly.
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Yo that was a dumb 14 year old
Take it easy who else would say something like that
by Mrrc7 on Sep 25, 2011 10:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
" Jeff_McLane: One thing I can say about Sean McDermott, he never ducked a post-game interview after a loss. Juan Castillo was nowhere to be seen today."
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Mikesta on Sep 25, 2011 7:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
or he was getting his ass chewed
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Maybe he got fired.
Can we hope?
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Ed Wade=all the farm system the Phillies will ever need.
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E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Mikesta on Sep 25, 2011 7:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
One positive I noticed…. our corners completely shut down Hakeem Nicks
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Yeah but not Victor Cruz
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Mikesta on Sep 25, 2011 7:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wide Nine experiment over?
if only it was that easy
There, I combined 2 posts into one, with blame on the correct person.
Personally, I wouldn’t mind waking up to find Washburn fired, converted back to normal 4-3, Juan gets to bring out the blitzes, force opposing offensive line to mass protect, limit # of receivers going out in the field, nnamdi/asante shutting down the limited pass game, Mudd fired, Jackson starting Center, no more miss-snaps, goal line offense doesn’t get steam rolled…. if only…
man.. i got these tickets to the eagles buffalo game, its looking like i’m going to be making a 3.5 hour drive for a rough afternoon..
NFL, I am no longer disappoint.
Can someone explain to me how we lost to a
team with no corners and no wrs???
Vince been here less than a month and already done ****ed up
smh (dream team)
I’ve always wondered how Reid has been so successful when he presumably lacks any understanding of how clocks work, what a linebacker is, and how to count to 3. And what made him think that it was a good idea to go for it on 4th down with a lead in the 4th quarter? Why does he draft “project” players in the early round of the draft, and then fill key positions on our roster like LB, S, and OL with late round picks, UDFAs, and other teams’ cast offs? I don’t understand him, he does so many things well, but simple things like clock management and the existence of the linebacker position seem to totally befuddle him. I swear, he just needs someone with common sense to follow him around and stop making these boneheaded moves, and he’d be a great coach.
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Am I the only one happy right now!!!! Calm down everybody.. peep this
We LOST!!! and all we can get out of losing to teams we should beat is ANGRY!
Casey Mathews is SOFT! and being a soft lb doesn’t and will never work in this league.
No excuses! We lost.. FKK it..
I aint freakin out at all.. Im actually happy that we loss these games because we always win win win win win until it really counts and we lose..
Now its different!!! Trust me We will look great.. I dont care about going 16 and 0. forget our record.. lets win the sb.
And our D cooridinator is horrible!
We have great cbs and all we have to do is send asante out there and let him be asante. Send and Nnamdi out there and let him be Nnamdi.. Thats what makes them 2 great. Remember last year when for some retarded strange stupid reason were dropping trent cole into coverage? Wtf was that? Now were doing the same thing with our Cbs.. We need to man up. Bounce DrogCro around from saftey to slot and blitz like hell. with our front 4 getting so much pressure without the blitz.. imagine how fast we will get to the qb. with the blitz we can easily have DrogCro pouncing on any screen!
Tough loss guys NFC East games are always battles so no shame in losing
The Eagles always start slow, they will be back on track soon.
I think the Concussion Vick had was more serious than we knew, he looked very tenative out there, a couple of times he could have took off an made huge gains. Hope Vick is not out to long.
McCoy is an absolute beast. by the way
by Late for Dinner on Sep 25, 2011 8:02 PM EDT reply actions
I see everyone is missing the point of what Vick was saying
WHEN HE STAYS IN THE POCKET HE STILL GETS HELMET TO HELMET HITS. Not when he is running after he has thrown a pass the lineman are still being allowed to lead withtheir helmet and hit him. That last play in the second half Canty lead with his helmet into Vick’s chin yet no flag was thrown even though the ball was gone in times for him to pull up from the hit. Yes Eli had his facemask tugged but Vick was a pocket passer being demolished after the pass is thrown. This is the same complaint the Eagles had last year. Now Vick has not been hurt running it’s been hits in the pocket after the pass. His hand was broken on that Canty hit.
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36 plus years of rooting for the Eagles I think are comming to fruition this year.
I am not a FAN.... I am a FANATIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll just say this...good game with some tough losses...
Also…McCoy scares the shit out of me. Westbrook was bad enough and now we’ve got a nightmare on our hands.
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MAKE IT WORK!!!
Eli got a straight helmet to helmet spear
last week with no call. Brady had his knee chopped out again, which was the impetus for all these new rules before, but no call this time. I know Vick’s universe revolves around him, but other QBs get hit in the game of football as well.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 26, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m torn between wanting Rolle to start, or wanting to give our current trio of LB’s another stab at it, with the new alignment. Seeing as though this was their ‘first’ game.
Giants won the equivalent of their early season Superbowl, with us handing it to them; although injuries (on their end) tried to hand it to us. Castillo needs a helping hand w/ play calling, Marty too.
One or both of our top picks from this year needs to make some type of noise.
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by Illadelphia-Braintrust on Sep 25, 2011 8:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Actually
offenses have been exploiting the D weakness pretty well. The outsides have been covered. Run and throw in the middle seems to be the offensive playbook against the eagles.
They tried the LB shuffle and that looks like it did not work.
yes!!
we have the best Cbs in the nft.. Yes.. We play zone coverage which almost erases their greatness.. Put nnamdi on cruz straight man and that doesnt happen. ever!
Two tds could be erased if we played man like we should 99% of the time.
Mathews blew it on a pass to Jacobs. Cruz caught that amazing pass. twice.. once again. put nnamdi on cruz and that shits over. why dont we play like the jets? man the fuck up.. we’re playing like pussys. mathews doesn’t have that killer instinct.. hes toooo soft
True
Nnamdi played man with the Raiders just about 100% of the time.
All I know is...
If I see Nnamdi 8-10 yards off the line of scrimmage in zone coverage I’m gonna give up whatever little faith I have left in castillo… I swear, there is nothing more frustrating for any teams fans than knowing they can do a better job assigning roles on gameday to the players….. arghhhhhhhhhhhhh
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 8:08 PM EDT reply actions
Yea that's frustrating
it’s as if someone gives you a brand new lexus with a bow on it, and you take the bow off, wear it around as a scarf and forget the car.
by flyeaglesfly1020 on Sep 25, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
true
Nnamdi is Nnamdi because he is a beast at covering a man and shutting him down.. NOT playing a certain area. Thats like getting a brand new Ferrari and driving it like it’s a ford focus. Juan has to go. We need our D to have a killer instinct. period. page is great at letting someone catch the ball and grabbing them after they catch it he also doesn’t do anything but miss tackles and chase someone while blocking his own teamate from making the tackle.
by phillyisback on Sep 25, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Nnamdi and Asante need to be playing man coverage.
Juan does not know what the hell he is doing.
I swear
I cant stand hearing us be referred to as the “dream team” by commentators/media douches…. just because a first year eagle… who @ that time isn’t even our starter, makes a stupid comment. I dont know who’s worse, him for saying it to begin with or the media hacks who keep repeating it.
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 8:20 PM EDT reply actions
Thats that nfl net crap
I swear rich eisen has a disdain for andy or eagles,but hes smooth with it . his setup polls and questions,he gave life to the dreamteam crap . Plus hes patriot fan
by Mrrc7 on Sep 25, 2011 10:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Really someone needs to question Castillo's logic and his perception of how a D# scheme should operate.
I think because he played the sport a long time ago people trust his coaching. I look at it in a different way. for me that’s not enough.
I also wonder if other coaches learned the play calling his coaches used with him back in the day. He might be following a outdated scheme that he learned in college. Other coaches might know what he’s thinking.
Howard Mudd's been an amazing coach
Washburn’s done a good job too. April’s been invisible, which is a good thing when your kicker and punter are both rookies.
Too bad the rest of the staff has been flat-out awful.
trade for tom brady get rid of desean
I hate new york.
by XxActionJacksonxX on Sep 25, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
now that I scroll up
Yeah you did, I was farther down the page, sorry… but yes, they’re terrible
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Wide 9
I think that wide 9 d line set requires decent LB’s. That is on of the problems. Then you got the wide 9 in the nickle is even worse.
yepp
and if we’re gonna keep running it with these same LB’s I’m sorry to say that we’re toast… that paired with the fact that they don’t know how to use the best trio of corners in the league
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Casey LB'ing the Wide Nine is like Justin Bieber driving a Ferrari
http://www.tmz.com/2011/08/30/justin-bieber-ferrari-minor-collision-car-crash-los-angeles/#.Tn__iKgkkUo
Are bieber jokes allowed on here? rofl, sry my gf watches TMZ :]
my question is
did the coaching staff just assume they could bring in great players and use them however they please, I just cant grasp it.
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 8:35 PM EDT reply actions
What do you guys feel about Allen,Page,Coleman & Jarrett
I don’t know why but I’m getting a bad vibe with all except for Jarrett.Opinions please.
Well
I dont think the jury has decided Jarrett’s fate… not much to go by yet… otherwise Page and Allen are subpar IMO and I think Coleman is streaky, he’s either there making solid plays or whiffin’ on anything and everything
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean
They all can be serviceable, but we don’t want serviceable we want consistency and stability and we just dont have that @ safety
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
The D philosophy is ass backwards
The wide 9 gives a better pass rush at the expense of the rush defense. That’s exactly whats been happening.
Eagles have a better than average cover secondary. With that weak LB core the D line should be in a more basic d line set(run stop) to help the LB’s
Then they need to bring back some blitzes. It does not need to be Jim Johnson blitz crazy but they need some blitzing.
If they keep it the way it is the Eagles are fucked.
Because poor run defense is how they gave up three passing TDs this week?
Please, the “wide nine” is far from the problem.
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You know last year I went to the Giants comments and was nothing but respectful after Miracle 2
All these asshole trolls are making me start to regret that.
by The Fish on Sep 25, 2011 8:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
There is one Giants fan I will respect no matter what, and that's my grandfather.
Because of that, I maintain a mutual respect for the Giants. But these damn trolls are making me question that respect and I absolutely hate it
by The Fish on Sep 25, 2011 9:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
there's always people doing douchey things. Just ignore them.
Alot of us should know better than to rub it in the same day. Oh well, it happens.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 25, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Just thinking outloud here...
But maybe the fact that our 1st to 3rd rounders from this year are on the bench while our 4th plus rounders are on the field has something to do with how our team looks. Our first rounder from last year is injured (I know no one can be blamed here) and prob 2nd string when he come back. Our second rounder from last year is second string and we cut our third rounder from last year. Everything seams backwards here.
Matthews and coleman lost this fuckin game for us.....
RUN VICK RUN!!!!!!
by DesertEagle59 on Sep 25, 2011 8:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Once again
the wide 9 does not work when you have shitty LB’s. Part scheme part players
It doesnt help
that they’re throwing all these mid and mid-late picks into the fire (matthews being a prime example) he could be a good player in a couple years… but I guarantee you they’ll release him before he gets there at this rate.
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta add Reid to that list
by phightin_iggles on Sep 25, 2011 8:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
really?
Matthew n coleman threw 2 picks? And got stuffed in the redzone twice? I also missed the part when they went for it on 4th down and didnt get it. The point is we lost this game as a team. We gotta improve as a team
Reporter: "What have you done for T.O., besides getting him suspended?"
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by So. Cal Swag on Sep 25, 2011 9:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey you grammy just finished making your bed and feeding you a meal so...
you know what cums next you sick bastard
and danny watkins
Pick was BS, better be a damn good Guard to take him in the first round, then come to find out he aint ready to roll. so many other impact players we could have had at that pick.
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 9:05 PM EDT reply actions
"They got a lot of great players, but we got a great team. And that’s the key: We’re a team. " -- Ahmad Bradshaw
I hate to say it but I can’t really argue against that
by The Fish on Sep 25, 2011 9:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It's ironic but Mcdermott
would have been better suited to run this D with the players they have now. He would have utilized the coverage strengths( Nnamdi, Asante, DRC). BLITZ BLITZ!.. One of the main problems with the D last year was the coverage. He had no real coverage assets to back up all that blitzing.They sucked. Now the main problem with the D is the D.
Fucking ironic
Really bad loss but I like our schedule coming up. I think we have a great shot to beat SF, not 100% sold on Buffalo yet and have a winnable game v. Washington going into the bye week. If we can go in at 4-2 or 3-3, we will be in pretty good shape.
It’s not time to overreact and write the season off quite yet. Let’s see how they bounce back next week before we do that.
if we lose to the 49ers its time to panic
frank gore might have a good day on us. and vince young better start
EAGLES R #1
by PHIeaglesFan17 on Sep 25, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
when we draft next year i hope we draft some good linebackers and safties
And we should give jaquian jarrett a shot has he even gotten in the game this season
EAGLES R #1
Yes
with the current Safeties playing like shit we need to put jarrett in there and see if he’s the real deal… if not, it needs to be addressed
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you think Samuel would make a better DB than the ones we have?
And just let Nnamdi and DRC as CB’s
its worth a try
i just want this to get resolved even thought its looking like we are going to have to deal with it
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by PHIeaglesFan17 on Sep 25, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Fire Castillo.
Q: What do a leaky tampon and Sean McDermott's defense have in common?
A: They are equally ineffective in the red zone.
Ed Wade=all the farm system the Phillies will ever need.
we actually need someone who knows defense
and I cant believe they did what they did in hiring castillo
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't watch the game today
Did we at least do better in the red zone than last week
by The Fish on Sep 25, 2011 9:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
fuck no
stonewalled 5,856 times on the 1 yard and less line settled for 2 21 yard field goals
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
if anything
I’d make a d# package where he just sits in the middle of the field and plays centerfield
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
but no
he’d be the last line of defense and he cant tackle 95% of the time… rarity that he did today a little bit
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
No Just change the scheme
Time to bring back the JJ Scheme which would thrive with the current D personnel. You don’t need to be a PB LB to Blitz.. Get out that wide 9 shit and use the D line to do more then just run after the QB. Take advantage of having 3 of the top DB’s in the game. Blitz!. This current set up just exposes the weak LB core. Need to take the pressure off of them.
n allen is not healthy
Herd he still needs injections to be able to play with pain/swelling. That said I have 2 points
A. The patella sucks I have tendonitis in it and if it flames up I can hardly walk.
B. It shows you how bad jarret is if a hurt Allen on serious pain killers is on the field before a 2nd round pick.
Lastly hey Andy remember that whole explosive stretch the field offence and how your Qb can flick a ball 40 yards. We miss that, were not build for long sustained drives.
PHI "We Know Drama"
by DaaaBirdsDaBirds on Sep 25, 2011 9:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Oh lastly (this time I mean it) its pathetic our defensive best tackler award goes to assante. Good for him but comeeeee onnnnn
PHI "We Know Drama"
by DaaaBirdsDaBirds on Sep 25, 2011 9:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yo do we really want dallas to lose tomorrow
skins will be 3-0 if they win and we dont want that do we idk who i want to win.
just askin ya what ya think
EAGLES R #1
i want dallas to lose early and often. the reskins will even themselves out, as always.
NFL, I am no longer disappoint.
True
i remember when they had jim zorn and they went 6-2 to start out but then went 8-8 to finish the year
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by PHIeaglesFan17 on Sep 25, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I think such a terrible loss is important at this point in the season.
It’s showing us glaring signs that need improvement and that is almost a clear reflection on how poor the coaches are doing. There were too many ill decisions this game. I think in order for this team to really get over the hill, the glaring blemishes really had to come to light via this game. Also, as many have already pointed out, those post-throw hits on Vick are utter repulsive. He is getting hammered unnecessarily and there’s no reason for such late hits. There’s a reason Vick is getting injured quite a bit, so the refs have to straighten their act.
"If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail. You know what I mean? Fuck it." -- Kobe "Black Mamba" Bryant
the only changes and tweaks
that the coaches will make is shuffling the LB’s “positions” on the field… andy and the rest of the coaches are stubborn and wont make major shakeups… they’ll say that they will but its all politician style talk… BS
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
True
We have 2 coaches Washburn/Juan trying to run 2 schemes that don’t go together. Washburn with is wide 9 that requires good LB’s that they don’t have and Juan running ZONE fucking coverage with 3 of the best DB’s in the NFL. What does this do? Exposes the D’s greatest weakness= weak LB’s.
So stupid
arghhhhh
lurie needs to take command if thinks dont pick up by the bye week… and yes I do mean start cleaning house.
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
paying top dollar for one of the best man press corners in the game and then trading for another man corner and then throwing them both in cover 3 and cover 4 schemes is retarded. Sounds like something somebody with no defensive experience…….wait a minute, never mind. A not signing tulloch, a MLB who thrived in the wide 9 system was a major fuck up
by true-philly-fan on Sep 25, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet Washburn
is to stubborn to admit that is wide 9 set will not work with there weak LB’s
mudd and wash are fine
everyone else out the door
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 10:06 PM EDT reply actions
We suck
Andrew luck sweepstakes
"Eli made a good tackle. I tried to run him over. ... Next time I'll try to jump over his head or something." - Asante Samuel
by abains007 on Sep 25, 2011 10:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Sarcasm. Just finished watching the game.
"Eli made a good tackle. I tried to run him over. ... Next time I'll try to jump over his head or something." - Asante Samuel
by abains007 on Sep 25, 2011 10:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
but
they’re actually playing good 2nite
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Four comments
1. If Vince Young can’t lead the Eagles to a win over the Alex Smith-led 49ers next week, signing him was a waste of money.
2. Andy Reid made a dumb 4th down decision today. But the ten year knock on him has been not running the ball enough. The Eagles are running the ball more this year.
3. Lack of OTA’s and practices really hurts when you bring in a bunch of new players, no matter how talented.
4. Casey Matthews is looking like Mark Simoneau with a wig. Is a team definitely circling the drain, like the Vikings, willing to trade an LB?
by donniethelion on Sep 25, 2011 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
1. agreed
2. agreed
3. agreed, but they’re not even putting their players in the best position for them to succeed play calling wise
4. I hope we can find a LB and quick lol
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, to the people who like Vick and want to dump Reid
I don’t know if potential (outside) candidates for HC would want Vick at QB.
dont get me excited lol
Gruden would be an upgrade
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Andy you know what to do...
Dials cell phone
…..Hello, is Jeremiah there?
Formerly number5
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
RIP JJ
honestly
I would make that call… I don’t care if he’s gettin up there, matthews just aint ready
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
It would be an upgrade. He can stop the run.
Matthews
Just isn’t good, he wasn’t very good in college and was only drafted because of his brother. If you ever wanted to see a shorter less athletic Clay Mathews off the roids take a look at the eagles. Would have rather we never traded that pick to the cowboys and drafted Sean Lee
not sure
but there’s gotta be someone we could use that would be an upgrade at atleast one spot
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I've seen enough
fokou, chaney and matthews… go and sign trotter and do Rolle, trotter and Jordan… the current starters have made me wanna puke
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 10:57 PM EDT reply actions
Like I've said before though
I’m probably being to hard on out LB’s… this wide 9 shit is hanging them out to dry
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
They should bring in Lofa Tatupu and Trotter. LOL
It would be an upgrade
tatupu I would take a look at… no downside
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
All we can hope is the team and coaches get there act together. One good thing about this game is its early enough in the season to be a huge wake up call.
Everyone forgets about all the coaching changes I think.
I didnt expect a 16-0 season,and i dont believe we will be this unorganized all yr. Patience is a virtue.
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by Dunta Is A PUNK on Sep 25, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
but this is supposed to be the easier part of the schedule
we still have to face real teams…like the pats, jets, and the suddenly very scary Buffalo Bills.
I could conceivably see us losing every game if we can’t even beat such a shitty team like the Giants
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
chuck bednarik
make the call… now, before it’s too late
by BleedinGreen116 on Sep 25, 2011 11:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I really hate Reid
“Credit to the Giants” NO NO NO YOU FAT FUCK
Take responsibility for the fact that you are actively fucking up one of hte most talented NFL teams in recent memory
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
LineBackers
why do we always draft Linebackers who were not any good in college? do they not watch tape? Casey Matthews and Jamar Chaney were not good in college, why would they be good in the NFL
Not sure I understand our defensive scheme
The wide line up front is supposed to put more pressure on QBs, but when they run it puts more pressure on the LBs because there are so many running lanes between the DEs and DTs right? Why the F### do we run a scheme that would emphasize the biggest weakness we have on defense, the LBs? It doesn’t make any sense. Put the damn Dline back together and make them run through that so the LBs dont have to do so much, because they really aren’t that good.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Because it doesn’t. That’s just not true.
And look at what burned the Eagles today. It wasn’t the run.
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Did Kelce get hurt/benched at the end of the game?
I thought I saw Jamal Jackson in there at center towards the end? Maybe that was just cuz Kafka was more familiar with him cuz of playing with him in practice and the pre-season?
I hope Kelce got benched…
by FooFighter1124 on Sep 26, 2011 12:14 AM EDT reply actions
He moved to RG
Devan was injured, so Kelce slid to RG and Jackson played C.
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Oh gotcha thanks man. Was Watkins active at all? If so, any reason he didn’t take over at RG? Any indication on the severity of Devan’s injury?
by FooFighter1124 on Sep 26, 2011 5:31 AM EDT up reply actions
He was inactive
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I am a Giants fan
but I thought I’d offer up a few ideas to help ease your pain tonight.
1) The Eagles dominated time of possession with a bruising and extremely effective running game. The Giants’ defense had been leaky against the pass in the first two games, but stout against the run. The Eagles should be proud of their running game today.
2) As a Giants fan, I want to run, run, and then run some more. That’s how Giants fans are. We want to physically dominate more than run up the score with fancy newfangled forward passing plays. For my taste, Andy Reid has never run the ball enough for a cold-weather outdoor team. He did it today. It was the kind of attitude I expect from a football team, and the Eagles really took it to us in an admirable way.
3) The run-first strategy made more sense than you might think. It protected Vick, who, let’s face it, was obviously not 100% mentally coming off his concussion. Running successfully helped undermine the Giants’ pass rush. Which leads me to (4
4) Your O-Line couldn’t get a yard in short-yardage situations, but they did a great job is pass protection. As good of a game as JPP had, he was blocked (maybe held) on most passing plays. Tuck had trouble getting to the passer, too. Vick had time to throw, he just didn’t play very well.
Conclusion: You probably could have won this game if you’d been more aggressive passing the ball, but even with a conservative game plan Vick still got banged up and badly injured. I’d chalk up the loss less to the game plan than to a few poorly executed plays, a little bad luck, and some dubious coaching decisions.
In general, the Eagles should be able to outscore most teams. This week was not a good week to try to light up the scoreboard. Protecting Vick so that he doesn’t miss a ton of time made sense. Even down 14-0, the plan got you a 16-14 lead and wore the Giant defense down.
I wouldn’t panic. The Eagles usually iron these things out and dominate the second half of the season.
by Martin Longman on Sep 26, 2011 12:32 AM EDT reply actions
Eagles Coaching Sucks
Here’s the proof. When we had Jason Babin before he looked like a bum, now that we got him back trained by another team he’s a fucking beast. Our players are being cheated under Andy Reid. Imagen Jackson at New England he would make Fitzgerald look subpar.
And why is it so hard to get a decent O-line and some top notch LB’s?
Ummm… you do know that Jason Babin currently has the same position coach (Jim Washburn) here in Philly as he did last year in Tennessee, right?
by FooFighter1124 on Sep 27, 2011 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Proof Matthews sucks
Why didnt GB draft him to back up his brother, you know if Casey was good you would want to draft him to back up your star LB Clay. Clay must have been loyal to GB and told them to avoid his little brother.
eagles season
eagles defense sucks and any team with a good back will be able to run on us. We should have kept bradley, but we let him go. Easy to blame the defense, but also we have the worst offensive coordinator in the nfl, and one of the worst head coaches also. These to called coaches choke when the team needs them most. I used to thingk mcnabb was the problem with the eagles not advancing in playoffs, but I was part right the other problem is our offensive coordinator and head coach once we get rid of them we will be ok.
Same Old Reid
Andy Reid has been a terrible playcaller/adjuster hidden behind a talented team that covers his butt since day one!!! Every game, and I mean EVERY GAME, that comes down to playcalling, we lose. Opening home game again a division rival and your team isn’t ready? And your players mention how the other team wanted it more? NEVER!!!! Never should happen!!! As much as I hate New England, this stuff would not be tolerated there. Reid must go!!! He should’ve gone two years ago after he used the same failed game plan two weeks in a row against the Cowboys! Move on please! Just don’t go the way of our D Coordinator and pick a guy who paints the lines on the field to take over as HC.
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