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Ranaan Review: Eagles Struggle Against A Tight End... Again

[Note by JasonB, 09/20/11 10:54 AM EDT ] This year, veteran Eagles beat writer and current Comcast sports NFL columnist Jordan Raanan will be joining us every week with a review of the previous Sunday's Eagles game. This week he offers his notes and thoughts on the Eagles loss to the Falcons

It took all but two weeks for a tight end to feast on the Eagles. It was as predictable as the misappropriation of timeouts in Week 1 and the replay gaffe in Week 2.

These are the warts that have become staples of the the last decade of Eagles football. The players change, but the coach and his team's foibles always seem to stay the same.

This week it was the tight end wart that came to the surface in the Eagles' 35-31 loss to the Falcons. Tony Gonzalez may be 100 years old, but he proved his hands still work. The nine-time All Pro tight end caught seven passes on nine targets for 83 yards and two touchdowns.

It sounds bad, I know. But after reviewing the tape, there might not be as much to worry about going forward as you might think.

Star-divide

Consider this:

• The Eagles had tight coverage on 21 of the 25 plays where Gonzo went out for a pass. That's not a bad number considering guys don't get the ball every time they are open. And at no point was he running uncontested down the seem.

• Three of Gonzalez's catches - including both TDs - for 34 yards came with defenders draped on his back. His first touchdown catch was an all-world, one-handed grab in the back of the end zone that no other TE in football will make.

• Five times Casey Matthews covered Gonzalez for zero catches.

The good news: Gonzalez was not running free in the middle of the field like tight ends had been in the past against the Eagles. This should be a positive sign going forward. Not many tight ends are going to make tiptoeing one-handed catches in the back of the end zone or have strong enough hands to haul in a 13-yard pass on 3rd-and-12 when Jarrad Page gets his hand on the ball. Plus, the Eagles can live with tight ends doing some damage (St. Louis' tight ends had 3 catches for 39 yards and a pair of drops in the opener) now that they can come close to blanking team's wide receivers.

Anyway, here's how the Eagles covered Gonzalez on Sunday. Mostly they did so with Jamar Chaney, still new to the strongside linebacker position that comes with so much coverage responsibility. The jury is still out on Chaney's cover skills. It's definitely something to watch as the season progresses.

Meanwhile, Matthews - challenged against the run - was much more successful against the pass. This is a major reason the Eagles have stuck with Matthews this long already in the middle.

Eagles Defenders vs. Tony Gonzalez

(Note: Many of these plays it's just whose area of the zone Gonzalez visits.)

Jamar Chaney: 11 Plays/4 Catches

Kurt Coleman: 5 Plays/1Catch

Casey Matthews: 5 Plays/0 Catches

Jarrad Page: 2 Plays/2 Catches

Moises Fokou: 1 Play/0Catches

Nnamdi Asomugha: 1 Play/1 INT

Other notable observations from the film:

• The Eagles sent more than a four-man rush just once on 21 pass plays in the second half. That play was negated by a penalty. They blitzed on just four of 24 pass plays in the game. Still the Eagles officially finished with four sacks and six quarterback hurries, all with a four-man rush.

• Mike Vick took 13 hits in less than three quarters, with the final one knocking him out of the game with a concussion. That includes a called running play and scrambles.

• Shady McCoy was asked to block or chip 11 times. Three of those 11 times he provided insufficient protection. One of those three plays resulted in an interception and the other got Vick knocked out of the game. He's not quite Brian Westbrook yet, at least when it comes to pass blocking.

• The reason the Eagles shut down the Falcons run game for much of the second and third quarters? One man: Trent Cole. Five times he stopped a running play for either a loss, no gain or minimal gain. It's possible Cole single-handedly masked the Eagles' problems against the run most of Sunday evening.

• Center Jason Kelce had a tough time with DT Peria Jerry in the first half. Three times Jerry was five yards deep in the backfield. Guards Kyle Devan and Evan Mathis had a few breakdowns but were generally solid. Jason Peters and Todd Herremans had very strong games.

Jason Babin was quite fortunate. Twice he jumped offsides only to have it negated by an offsetting penalty,

• Don't get too excited by Mike Kafka's numbers. Of his 10 total passes (including one negated by a penalty), four were screens, two were swing passes, and one was a Hail Mary.

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I still dont understand

why they don’t have Clayton in coverage. He’s our biggest “safety” …. And this way Chaney could return to the middle …. he just looks more comfortable there. Last season when he came in, he even made Fokou and Sims look better… and thats like impossible to do (make Sims look better).

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Sep 20, 2011 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I have a hunch that the reason involves Keenan Clayton being not a very good football player.

by Rujasu on Sep 20, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Or the fact that he’s very small and can’t defend the run. We already have a problem in that department

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by immynimmy on Sep 20, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

and Chaney

in the middle should help out that run defense…

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Sep 20, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why, because you moved him to a different position? He’s stil the same player, and you’re talking about replacing a small LB (Matthews) with another small LB who can’t play (Clayton).

by Rujasu on Sep 20, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its your opinion and thats fine. Clayton impressed in preseason in coverage. And he did well last season as well in coverage. Im not sure if you’re just saying that because you havent seen him, but ti doesnt mean that its not true.

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Sep 20, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last season? How could he have done well last season? He barely played!

by Rujasu on Sep 20, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alright I get it, you hate him. Just dont be so fuckin ignorant.

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Sep 20, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow that sure escalated quickly

by LTJbukem on Sep 20, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

it also simmered down just as quickly

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Sep 20, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, he's making valid points.

Clayton produced against 2nd and 3rd stringers in the preseason and played very little last season…

Also if Clayton was so much better in coverage than Chaney and Matthews he’d be playing right now.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

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by wild_eagle on Sep 20, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well to me its a preference of players. Matthews didnt do anything at the pro level at MLB and he still got the nod. Just like I like Clayton more, Castillo like Matthews more. It doesnt mean that im right…but it also doesn’t mean that he is either. Just because Castillo is a good guy, teacher and motivator, doesnt mean he knows his job description.

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Sep 20, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about last year against Dallas. Clayton was matched up 1 on 1 against Witten the entire game and completely shut him down. No one’s saying he’s an everydown back, but on 3rd and long if you’re going to have a lousy run covering LB you might as well have a guy who can take away the pesky TE

by stash600 on Sep 20, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was a “Scrub” ..remember? Scrub players that do well against star players don’t count…. right W_E …Lindley shutting down Miles Ausitn…youve never said that right? :-)

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Sep 20, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean the same game where he had 4 catches for 46 yards and a TD?

Because that’s not “shutting him down” that’s pretty normal production from a TE

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Sep 21, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like ive said many times before...

Just because you havent seen him or niticed him, doesnt mean he aint good

http://igglesblitz.com/philadelphia-eagles-2/keenan-clayton/

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Sep 20, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's really just unspectacular... Matthews is a better cover LB

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Sep 21, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Matthews is not small.

He does not look terribly strong, but his size is not the problem.

"Even those invested in the idea that the journey is the destination may feel they've taken a train to nowhere." - Terry Lawson

by waterfield on Sep 20, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

No bc he’s moved to his natural position. Chaney is a MLB. Just like fokou is a SAM n matthews should really be a WILL

by ProtoTyler on Sep 20, 2011 1:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

From what ive seen he’s better than Matthews is…

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Sep 20, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have seen absolutely nothing, and I mean nothing, that has impressed me from Keenan Clayton.

by Rujasu on Sep 20, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

and

I have seen absolutely nothing, and I mean nothing, that has impressed me from Casey Matthews.

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Sep 20, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He looks like a lousy run defender, but his coverage is better than Clayton’s from where I sit.

by Rujasu on Sep 20, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matthews in coverage and Chaney in the middle?

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Sep 20, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know why the Eagles chose to position them that way. Maybe if you switched them it would work better, but I don’t know if it would make much difference.

by Rujasu on Sep 20, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im sure its hard when you have 3-4 mediocre LBs on your team….probably why it doesnt make much of a difference. Theyll probably play LB Carousel until they find a combination that doesnt lose games.

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Sep 20, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be to upset with this.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Sep 20, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. I think he had 1 pick like last preseason, and people ride his dick on BGN, Clayton's shown nothing.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Sep 20, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

sounds like the rest of the LBers?

by Easedel on Sep 20, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because Clayton's not strong enough to take on TE's.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Sep 20, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nnamdi Asomugha: 1 Play/1 INT

Lol, well at least Juan had the right idea.

"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins

"They just tried to do a criss-cross route or something. I just hid a little bit, saw the ball in the air and I do what I do - go get the ball."
-The President CB

Nnamdi, Asante, DRC; The Three Graces...charm, beauty, and creativity.

by immynimmy on Sep 20, 2011 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

When both DRC and Samuel is healthy WR/TE should have a tough time catching alot of balls.

by Anders Jensen on Sep 20, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really, I doubt you’ll see any of those CB’s on the TE unless it’s a goofed scheme. They’ll shut down 3WR sets, though, and the good news is that Matthews and Chaney seem to be good at covering TE’s who aren’t bound for the Hall of Fame. They can’t defend the run all that well, but they are seemingly good in coverage.

by Rujasu on Sep 20, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matthews and Chaney seem to be good at covering TE’s who aren’t bound for the Hall of Fame

Im not so sure man. If Kendricks and that other TE for the Rams could actually catch a ball, you may not be saying that today. There were a few plays that could have been huge vs the Rams that TEs were wide open and dropped the ball.

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Sep 20, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If my aunt…

Anyway, I just don’t agree with you there.

by Rujasu on Sep 20, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you not see those drops?

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Sep 20, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cover all TE’s with Nnamdi!

by Rujasu on Sep 20, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently that was the plan until DRC turned his ankle last week

by ProtoTyler on Sep 20, 2011 1:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Anyone have thoughts on...

Why Jarrett can’t get on the field? We are not exactly running JJ level complexity out there. Rush 4 n play coverage. By most accounts, run support is what Jarrett is best at n that’s mainly what our S are being used for. He can’t possibly be worse than Page was this past week.

by ProtoTyler on Sep 20, 2011 1:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I can live with a use rb have a 100yd game on use

But the tight end thing is killer. We have to find a answer

by SouthernEagle on Sep 20, 2011 12:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Yall know if we find a answer it will be a ues one.

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by waterfield on Sep 20, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

lmao

yea wtf is a use SouthernEagle?

Michael Vick for MVP

by maximdim on Sep 20, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think what he meant was

“I can live with a RB having a 100yd game on us.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Sep 20, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was as predictable as the misappropriation of timeouts in Week 1 and the replay gaffe in Week 2.

Are you talking about the INT that shouldn’t of been? That isn’t Reid’s fault it’s NBC’s for not giving the correct replays

by The Legend on Sep 20, 2011 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

And he even won a challenge before!

by Guilhermeev on Sep 20, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t get too excited by Mike Kafka’s numbers. Of his 10 total passes (including one negated by a penalty), four were screens, two were swing passes, and one was a Hail Mary.

What about the 40 yarder to Maclin?

Three of those 11 times he provided insufficient protection.

I think that’s why we always seem to see one random falcon defender coming free.

It’s possible Cole single-handedly masked the Eagles’ problems against the run most of Sunday evening

Boy, if there was ever a sentence that was so good and yet so bad, that’s it.

"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins

"They just tried to do a criss-cross route or something. I just hid a little bit, saw the ball in the air and I do what I do - go get the ball."
-The President CB

Nnamdi, Asante, DRC; The Three Graces...charm, beauty, and creativity.

by immynimmy on Sep 20, 2011 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeh this one got me fired up

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Sep 20, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t get too excited by Mike Kafka’s numbers. Of his 10 total passes (including one negated by a penalty), four were screens, two were swing passes, and one was a Hail Mary.

Wow. Thanks Negative Nancy! If I want to be excited for my #fuckin 3 QB because he had an almost flawless first outting in the NFL and he actually gave us a chance to win the game…im gonna do it.

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Sep 20, 2011 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep, first outing, primetime, losing, and against a good team. Not only that, Reid already admitted that the playcalling was the issues, not Kafka. Not only that, but Kafka was very poise against the Falcon’s blitz.

"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins

"They just tried to do a criss-cross route or something. I just hid a little bit, saw the ball in the air and I do what I do - go get the ball."
-The President CB

Nnamdi, Asante, DRC; The Three Graces...charm, beauty, and creativity.

by immynimmy on Sep 20, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats the thing thats so impressive…he’s so poise in the pocket…. something that Kolb was never….

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Sep 20, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeh, Kolb was never so poise...

all an still, he’s the bess…

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by waterfield on Sep 20, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Kafka made a beautiful pass to Maclin for 40 yards also

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Sep 20, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

When Kafka entered the game, the Eagles were winning by 10. The coaches only called running plays on his 1st drive, and mostly runs on his 2nd drive (both short ones). Only on Kafka’s 3rd drive, when the Eagles were losing, the playcalling started relying on him passing.

by Guilhermeev on Sep 20, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t considered the drive he replaced Vick. He tried only 1 pass that was fumbled by McCoy, but offset by a roughing the passer penalty.

by Guilhermeev on Sep 20, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

There were 2 catches by Gonzalez where Matthews was supposed to have underneath coverage in the zone and was completely out of position…did you miss those?

4/5 and counting

by DirtyWaters on Sep 20, 2011 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

plus, you should list what type of coverage they played on Gonzalez and how they mixed it up if at all….I’m still baffled at the free releases they gave him in the red zone

4/5 and counting

by DirtyWaters on Sep 20, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

What was the defensive call, Juan?

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by waterfield on Sep 20, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Umm, proof he was suppose to cover underneath on those plays,

or you’re just spouting shit out of your ass…

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Sep 20, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

you’re right…he was supposed to run around in circles in a zone defense and not worry about covering anybody…especially TEs that run skinny posts right behind him.

4/5 and counting

by DirtyWaters on Sep 20, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Actually Chaney was covering him on both of those plays, so you need to go back and take a look.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Sep 21, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I did…the touchdown pass after the faux interception is one of the plays I speak of. Matthews initially bit on a run action and as he dropped back he went to the wrong side and completely took himself out of the play. If he dropped straight back or even shaded to the other side he would have been right in the throwing lane and altered that pass by either deflecting it or causing Ryan to put more air on it to drop it in giving Page more time to react. This was, IMO due to a lack of experience and not a lack of ability. With more experience he would have recognized based on where Gonzalez lined up and with Fokou headed out to cover someone in the flat, that he needed to shade to the weak side instead of ending up right next to Chaney on the drop and leaving a gaping hole up the seam. When Gonzalez was in front of or next to Matthews in zone coverage he did very well and he was very solid in man coverage….a lot better than Chaney.

4/5 and counting

by DirtyWaters on Sep 21, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ill sum things up

Our LBers just arent as good as some people thought they were. Alot of people were putting Chaney on a pedestal because he looked better then a injured Bradley, former na brown award winner Joe Mays based off a couple games…thats it.

People been so disgusted with the LBer play the past couple seasons that seeing someone fresh & new is just escalating them into superstar type status.

It is simple, these guys were taken late in the draft for a reason…not because they were a steal but because they werent deemed significant enough by 31 other teams to either start, compete as a back up or practice squad material. They have limited room for growth, they are what they are.

Same goes wit hour safeties but that is another story.

by Easedel on Sep 20, 2011 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

And please don't tell it.

One hacked up comment is plenty.

"Even those invested in the idea that the journey is the destination may feel they've taken a train to nowhere." - Terry Lawson

by waterfield on Sep 20, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

(long sigh of utter disgust with stupidity)

Really?

1. Ever hear of a guy named Tommy Lawlor? He’s trained as an NFL scout, he’s high on Chaney, and I’ll take his opinion over the thousands of completely uneducated ones thrown at me left and right.

2. Are you really denoting draft pick as the ceiling for an NFL player?!?!? Do I have to do this? Yes, I do:

Here are some names:
Tom Brady, Jonathan Goodwin, Robert Mathis, David Deihl, Dan Koppen, Hanik Milligan, Adalius Thomas, Cato June, Michael Turner, Trent Cole, Jay Ratliff

All pro-bowlers, all taken in the 5th round or later…guess the 31 other teams were stupid for deeming them ‘not significant enough to start, compete as a back up, or practice squad’

3. Our Safeties!?!?! Not sure I understand that one. You blast us for playing LBs that are late round picks, so what’s your issue with our safeties? Sure, they may be young, but they certainly have potential. Coleman and Page were late rounders (though Page has starting experience, his best year notching 83 tackles, 4 picks, 10 passes defensed, and 2 forced fumbles), but our other two are both second rounders (one coming off injury, and the other a rookie with a short offseason), so your little ‘draft pick’ theory doesn’t really cut it for them, does it?

"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)

by jalarsen1 on Sep 20, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

do yourself a favor

Make a list of every draft pick ever drafted… and find out how many picks were considered successful vs failures. I bet you find out that the higher the pick, the better chance a team has of getting a starter.

THATS why it matters where you draft someone.

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"Float like a Butterfly, sting like a Bee; Make sure you got the ball in your hands, or else you won’t get a TD." - Joe Theismann

by Ralf E Chubbs on Sep 20, 2011 3:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Of course that's the case

Otherwise drafts would be like a blindfolded monkey throwing darts.

Unfortunately, what you said is irrelevant to the comment above. He never once said “where a player gets drafted has 0% correlation to success in the NFL.” What he implied was that saying that a player has a certain ceiling just because they were drafted in a particular round is ludicrous (and then he supported his argument with a list of examples, thereby proving his point).

by AmateurHour on Sep 20, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

does Ceiling = Potential?

If so, then he’s right.

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by Ralf E Chubbs on Sep 20, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Draft position doesn’t necessarily correspond to potential. On the contrary, a low pick may have higher potential, but also higher risk. First and second round picks are generally considered to be the more “sure” picks, often because they played against tougher competition in college. A guy may fall out of the top couple of rounds due to playing in a smaller school (see Brian Westbrook) or due to an injury concern.

by Rujasu on Sep 20, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was defended well below

and that’s all I’m saying…

Of course higher round picks usually end up being more productive. That’s why they were picked early.

It is simple, these guys were taken late in the draft for a reason…not because they were a steal but because they werent deemed significant enough by 31 other teams to either start, compete as a back up or practice squad material. They have limited room for growth

This is what I was responding to. To think that they were drafted late for a reason, and that reason means they have limited room for growth. That’s just not supportable

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by jalarsen1 on Sep 21, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can add

Romo and Austin, as well. Both UDFAs.

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by RisingSunCowboy on Sep 21, 2011 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Romo sucks.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Sep 21, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chaney at MLB against giants PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

Let’s go with what works when Stewart got hurt lets not forget Chaney filled in for him and lets not forget the giants though they were going to run it on us but Chaney destroyed thier plans at running the ball. I wish Chaney had a famous family member in the sport like Clay Matthews does then maybe he too would get a fair chance, Btw fuck all you that say “give matthews a chance” don’t you idiots understand chances are next year were not going to have all the weapons we have this year. This is not growing time for Clay Matthews, if he’s not ready get him the fuck out of there. This is do or die, nothing more nothing less! We did it to Watkins because he was not ready, why is Clay any better?

by eagles4lyfe on Sep 20, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Clay’s awesome :-)

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Sep 20, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

love the way you think! SCREW matthews.. put Chaney back in the middle already!

by Don Kedic on Sep 20, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right before this thread was posted, I wrote a rant about these ridiculous recurring themes that keep costing the Eagles games year after year.

Seems like I’m not the only one who has noticed the Eagles have a long tradition of giving away games like the Falcons game. Every time it happens, some overoptimistic fans say “there’s so much the team can learn from this.” But it has never stopped them from making the same kinds of stupid mistakes in future games.

When was the last time the Eagles lost a game that they weren’t extremely close to winning? Probably only 3 times in the last 4 years. Is anyone else bothered by this? I just feel like if the Eagles aren’t blowing the opponent out by halftime, the chances of winning are less than 50%. The same things keep happening.

-Going soft with a 1 or 2 score lead
-Drops in the endzone
-Wasted timeouts coming back and biting us on the final drive
-Drops on the final drive that could’ve won the game
-Fluke turnovers leading to 14-point swings
-officiating blunders
-Botched handoffs (Tennessee game last year + A Dallas MNF game in 2008)
-2 missed FG’s in the same game
-Drive-extending penalties on defense
-Penalties nullifying big plays on offense
-Muffed kickoffs/punts
-red zone breakdowns on both sides of the ball
-running up the middle on short yardage when all 11 defenders are stacked at the line expecting a run up the middle.

by MikeCampy on Sep 20, 2011 12:42 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

add -taking the ball to start the game instead of deferring….I don’t quite understand their reasoning behind this when you basically are giving the other team the opportunity to have back-to-back possessions in the heart of the game. I guess they enjoy giving the opposing team the opportunity to score 14 unanswered points.

4/5 and counting

by DirtyWaters on Sep 20, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its just how this team is built though…. put up points first and let the Defense attack their passing game to keep up

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Sep 20, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

and if you don’t score a TD on your opening possession, that strategy is a failure

4/5 and counting

by DirtyWaters on Sep 20, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

unless you have the

ShadyMcVickFactor :-)

You always have a chance to win….this wasnt the case in the past…

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Sep 20, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I rec'd your post because I am completely convinced that coaching, starting at the top, is what has kept this franchise from winning a SB.

Our completely helpless defense in the red zone is sticking its nose in there to be the worst recurring theme.

A close second place goes to that fucking play call that led to the 14 point turn-around, and the loss. It was 100% Cincinnati -Bungles -ugly. After watching Atlanta’s DTs get instant penetration into our backfield time and time again, only a moron would call that brain dead, slowly developing counter-trap, or whatever you want to call it, at such a critical time and place.

I was all for euthanising MM right then and there, only because Reid has other, more pressing responsibilities, and an antiseptic, respectful demise would have been premature.
Reid’s head should be on the god damned block : he has by far the most talent to work with of all head coaches, and I despair of his ability to ever bring it home for Jerome, so to speak – never gonna happen.

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by waterfield on Sep 20, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, one day I want to write a Fanpost with a brief summary of the all the bad losses we've had since 06.

It’s astounding how many times the same blunders keep resurfacing. The Eagles blow so many teams out and you’d think they should’ve had the talent to win 13+ games a few of these past seasons, possibly 19-0 this season. But they always find a way to fit enough blunders into a game to lose in the last minute.

And they’re not all the coach’s fault. The drops that have ended games for instance: (Maclin’s drop on Sunday, Avant tossing away the first Skins game last season, Curtis’s drop in the NFCCG, another drop by curtis near the goal line on 4th down in a Skins game in 07 or 08). The 4 or 5 times Akers has missed multiple easy kicks in a close game. Etc…

So yea I want to write that post someday. Going all the way back to the beginning of 06. That was when they gave away the opening GB game with 2 muffed kicks. Then they outgained the Bucs like 510 yards to 196 but went soft on the last drive and let them get into range for a 62 yard FG as time expired. And then they blew a late lead against the Saints and let the Saints eat up the last freaking 8:30 of game clock and kick a game winning FG as time expired. Ugh. It’ll just take so much time to write all that, and I already waste too much time following the Eagles week to week. I was so psyched about this upcoming season for so long… and I thought the team would be just too good to continue giving away games like they did on Sunday. But boy I was wrong. Couldn’t even get to 2-0.

by MikeCampy on Sep 20, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is also a list of

Flukey stuff eagles do right to win games, 4th quarter come backs overcoming HUGE leads, pick 6 in 4 th quarter, punt returns for touchdown with 0:00 on clock, amazing catches to win in double triple coverage, QB that is faster and stronger than half the tailbacks in the league.

by Mtn-Green on Sep 20, 2011 2:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Different cast same result

I would bet my account that the eagles fix these problems during the regular season and finish about 12-4. However I bet sometime during the playoffs these problems that we all thought were gone will reoccur and becomes the reason we don’t win the super bowl(lose in the playoffs).

I’ve been watching eagle football too long to not know this will be the scenario.

by Bleeding_Green_Eagle on Sep 20, 2011 1:11 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

“Horseshoe” Defense. Strong at the line and on the outside with nothing in the middle. At least in the past we had more of an O shaped defense…but it still had nothin in the middle…

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Sep 20, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perfect way to sum it up

by Easedel on Sep 20, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

It looks exactly the same to me, buddy.

“Long suffering Eagle fans” is a perfect description.

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by waterfield on Sep 20, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any thoughts on...

Why Jarrett can’t get on the field? We are not exactly running JJ level complexity out there. Rush 4 n play coverage. By most accounts, run support is what Jarrett is best at n that’s mainly what our S are being used for. He can’t possibly be worse than Page was this past week.

by ProtoTyler on Sep 20, 2011 1:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Yeh Im curious about his progress (or lack there of)

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Sep 20, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jarrett will be a very good player. Either here or somewhere else.

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by waterfield on Sep 20, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

???

guy was just drafted a few months back, and you’re already talking about the possibility of him playing somewhere else!??!

I get that it could happen, it just seems a little premature, no?

"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)

by jalarsen1 on Sep 20, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

very premature.

"Obviously, I lobbied for him to be here. But what a difference a year makes." -- Donovan McNabb

by thePurpleLion on Sep 20, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

i love the wide 9 so far but,

Why not on obvious running downs, 1st-10, 2nd-short, 3rd-short, we move the ends closer so there isn’t huge cut back lanes for the running back

by con-vick on Sep 20, 2011 1:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I’m assuming because then it would be easier to attack as. Wide 9, run the ball, closed gaps pass the ball

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by immynimmy on Sep 20, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

They should just play 9 wide every snap.

I don’t see the point of playing straight up 4-3 with this personnel.

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by waterfield on Sep 20, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll be honest...

If you have to give the offense something, I’d prefer it to be the TE

I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.

by no1pipelayer on Sep 20, 2011 1:32 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree.

And we won’t be facing any more future HOFers the rest of the season, now that Gonzalez and Kendricks are out of the way.

by groot on Sep 20, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

And we won’t be facing any more future HOFers the rest of the season, now that Gonzalez and Kendricks are out of the way.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Sep 20, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Witten

twice

"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company

by Udalango on Sep 20, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

the two NE TEs

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Sep 20, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fred Davis (twice)

is a beast in his own right

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by jalarsen1 on Sep 20, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stop

I dont wanna be depressed lol

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by Udalango on Sep 20, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry groot...

we are going to be up against some better TE’s still, especially with witten, cooley, and davis.

the part that scares me, are the nobodys that will look better than usual because we may overlook them.

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by thePurpleLion on Sep 20, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, some good ones, but I said no future HOFers. Witten is the only one with a chance.

by groot on Sep 20, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Plus both his TD's were against good coverage...

That first one there’s absolutely nothing anybody could’ve done about it.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Sep 20, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any news on Celeks back strain?

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by Dunta Is A PUNK on Sep 20, 2011 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

funny thing is...

Falcons beat us EXACTLY the way we were allegedly built to win. Get ahead, make the team pass the ball. So we had two backup D lineman get hurt(one before the game-tapp) and then all of a sudden we cant rotate lineman anymore and they get gassed in the 4th quarter ?
Man I sure as hell hope we need 8 healthy defensive lineman to win games.
This is a troubling loss, because as evidenced last night, the rams suck.

by Gdog2009 on Sep 20, 2011 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Really? Because they beat us by attacking our weaknesses not our strengths.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Sep 20, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh?

Short Fields, Run Game (kinda), Turnovers and Tony G. That’s how they beat us.

"No one respected us as a defense... gimme some respect right now!"

by Bono Hit My Car on Sep 20, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasnt

Brian Rolle in the game when Tony made the bobble catch? Not saying he was Rolle’s responsibility. But of the 39 highlights I saw of that catch, Rolle was right there behind him. When Tony made the catch, Rolle was making the incomplete hand gesture

by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Sep 20, 2011 3:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Chaney I believe, but that's one of those times where he did it right but Gonzo just caught it.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Sep 21, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

So much negativity in this thread. I guess this guy who met to ease people’s fears did not accomplish what he set out to do. However, 3 out of 11 for shady doesn’t seem too bad for chipping and blocking. He clearly seems to be getting better there.

by PhilsForever on Sep 20, 2011 4:17 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

Well when he's chipping he's not "blocking" he's trying to slow the guy down so he can go out and catch a pass...

I think that’s what people are forgetting.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Sep 21, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

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