Eagles Vs Jets: What To Watch For
by JasonB on Sep 1, 2011 10:01 AM EDT
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Tonight the Eagles take on the Jets is their annual preseason "Who cares?" bowl in which each team just tries to ride out the preseason with the shortest travel time they can find. The game will feature almost no starters, but will be the final chance for guys to make a last impression before the Saturday cut down date. Whether they earn a backup job here or just put some good stuff on film for another team, you will see guys fighting for a job tonight. I'm sure we all remember Danny Woodhead running roughshod in this game a few a years ago?
Danny Watkins
As far as starters, Danny Watkins may very well be the only guy worth watching tonight. The rookie asked for some snaps in tonight's game to help prepare him for the season and he got them. We're not really watching for anything special, just improvement. As we've said, the offseason has been painfully short for these rookies, so any extra practice game time they can get is valuable.
Rookie kickers
It's been a quiet, but solid preseason for the two rookie kickers. Alex Henery has been perfect so far, but not really tested with anything tough. It would be nice to see him get a few attempt from 40+ tonight. Otherwise, you just want to see those two remaining consistent.
VY gets the start tonight and if all goes well, it will pretty much be the last time we see him all year. He's gotten better as the preseason has gone on and tonight he'll likely get a full half. He's still obviously learning the offense, so it will be good to see if he grasps that further and makes good decisions.
Does anyone emerge in the return game?
The Eagles have used a number of guys in the return game this year and really no one has distinguished themselves. It's not really clear whether there would be a roster spot for the likes of Chad Hall, Sinorice Moss and Johnnie Lee Higgins anyway... DeSean Jackson will still return punts, but probably not in every situation. I suppose anyone that can catch can handle kick return duties at this point... but one of these guys has a chance to hang on as a sixth WR, especially early in the season while Steve Smith is not available.
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Do we think Maclin will get any action tonight?
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2011 Philadelphia Eagles battle cry: "Umadbro?"
by McNabb2Maclin4Philly on Sep 1, 2011 10:13 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Reid said no. I tend to believe him.
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by Euler.is.a.Pimp on Sep 1, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I just want to get it over with.
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For some reason I see our practice squad getting pillaged.
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by h2o_34_35_44 on Sep 1, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think guys have to clear wavers before they can be put on the practice squad, but I agree that several guys who don’t make this team with catch on somewhere else.
I think the entire League is watching who we cut to get to the final 53. Andy should see if he can trade for some 6 or 7th round draft picks for some of these guys before they hit the open market. Maybe someone would rather give up a seventh for one of our DT’s, WR’s, CB’s, than have compete for him with the other teams next week.
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Yeah some guys like Hanson and Parker are likely to be dealt.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
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gamelink?
"Shady hits the hole as he breaks one for 80,running over both linebackers and the free safety".
by Dunta Is A PUNK on Sep 1, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
As everyone already knows..
I’m rooting for Hall to make the team again.
Few guys I’ll be watching out for is Rolle, McGlynn, Jackson, Buckley/Locke, Young/Kafka
I feel like if McGlynn being able to play anywhere on the line, really limits Jackson’s chances of making the team. Which completely devastates me. With three solid RB’s in McCoy, Brown and Lewis, the chances any of the rest make the squad seem to be hard to phathom. LB corps is slim and I see Rolle making a pretty big impact and possibly starting sometime early in the year.
"I'm Cracking Eggs of Wisdom!"
IMO...
Hall will find a spot on someones roster, but I dont see it happening on this roster. He is serviceable but with the amount of talent we have at WR and even returners, I dont see it happening.
Rolle, McGlynn, and Jackson will make the team. We need all the depth we can get at those positions. Buckley is good as gone.
I am curious about the safety positions and corner. Joselio is assumed to be trade bait but after Saturday, he, sadly, might just get cut outright. Curious if Laws makes the final cut, doubt it. Wondering still who will get the 2nd and 3rd TE job.
by thePurpleLion on Sep 1, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Rolle, McGlynn, and Jackson make the team but I also see Laws man the team as well each year he has improved.
Ummm Joselio is good in Madden 12 he has got to be worth a 2nd rounder.
I'd bet...
…that Andy would hold onto Joselio just for the purposes of trading him away. The only way he wouldn’t is if he needed that salary to sign Desean. He does know the value of his players and likely would rather get something back…even if only a 5th rounder.
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So how do you play that then? Who gets sent on the PS until he gets traded? Anderson? Cedric Thornton? or maybe even DTO? It would have to be someone who wouldnt be attractive to other teams…
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DTO...
…he isn’t ready (may never be) to be included in the current crop of DEnds on this team. And that is even if Parker gets cut or traded.
He was drafted way out of the upward range of his estimated draft stock so its not like people will take a chance on him over someone they have drafted that they like. He would probably clear waivers without a look. Trade Hanson…activate him if you’d like…while you wait on Graham to get healthy. Then back to the PS again, the PS again.
I-C-Y-U-H8-ME
This is my thought as well. They just cant cut Hunt….he’s good enough to be a regular 1st team rotation guy….
With that being said, if DTO goes down, could open room for HArgrove/Landri/Laws all to make it ….
MAn…its going to be tough cuts whichever way we look at it….
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That is a good question
We are going to have some talented guys on the PS who are there to wait out one year contracts that we have.
I'm not saying Hall will make the team
but I want him to and I’m rooting for him. I know the chances are small but I dont want him to go somehwere else, i’m selfish.
I’m thinking Harbor and Lee at TE. Final cuts are gonna be interesting. 27 cuts in 3 days and I know a lot of the guys I like might be in that mix. Guess thats the name of the game.
"I'm Cracking Eggs of Wisdom!"
Heres the thing, do they keep 6 WRs or 3 TEs? If they have to choose between either, my guess is that they choose 3 TEs, for the simple fact that I have a feeling theyll be keeping a TE in blocking a lot more this year, with possible 2 TE sets more and more. Plus how do you really get rid of Donald Lee….he’s too much of an asset in the blocking and passing game. The top 5 WRs are locks….so the wiggle room for a 6th receiver is slim….never know though…
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Correct me if I’m wrong but Lee Higgans is the #2 TE and he is mainly a blocking TE anyway.
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
by h2o_34_35_44 on Sep 1, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
how about
Donald Lee?
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
by h2o_34_35_44 on Sep 1, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeh, he’s the one who Im wondering about. He is a solid blocker and has real good hands. He’s an asset to this team…if they decide to use him….
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Any word on
Bruce Lee?
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
&
Cliff Lee?
"Learning to eat soup with a knife"
I’m more excited for this 4th game than before I think. We have great depth this year in camp. There’s still a lot of rookies I want to see.
Watkins, Marsh, Jarrett, Lewis, and Dunlap will be grabbing my attention in particular.
"Descartes commanded the future from his study more than Napoleon did from his throne."
by Euler.is.a.Pimp on Sep 1, 2011 11:05 AM EDT reply actions
I think ALL rookies should be playing in this game starter or not. It would also be nice to see the starting offensive line get a couple of series together also. I can’t believe AR is going to roll the dice with this first unit not getting any game time. I can see first couple of offensive possessions being a real problem.
agreed
he just moved the line around and he isn’t going to even put them in for a series? I think he should.
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If there was no roster limit...
… I wonder how many people would be kept? Just one of those unanswered questions I have wondered over the years.
Ill be watching
The whole D line, with such a talented group, I wonder who plays tonight and who sits….Landri, Hargrove, Laws?? Hunt, DTO??
Also Jarrett will have an important game..and also want to see if Allen will get burned a few times again…hopefully he wont….
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by BWestFactor on Sep 1, 2011 11:21 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
gamelink bro?
"Shady hits the hole as he breaks one for 80,running over both linebackers and the free safety".
by Dunta Is A PUNK on Sep 1, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
thx
"Shady hits the hole as he breaks one for 80,running over both linebackers and the free safety".
by Dunta Is A PUNK on Sep 1, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Kick off return
word is Ronnie Brown and Dion Lewis are getting snaps there
The first Drauschak.
by birds'n'raiders on Sep 1, 2011 12:09 PM EDT reply actions
Could be, but I think they’ll keep 6 WRs since Smith probably won’t be ready early in the season.
"He wasn't an astronaut, he was a tv comedian! And he was just using space travel as a metaphor for beating his wife!"
I guess it depends how many 2 TE sets they plan on using this year. MY guess is theyll need one in there to block on 60% of the plays…
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Yeah maybe. Even then I think they would try to get by with 2. Tough to cut Donald Lee but I think Andy sees more value in Chad Hall.
"He wasn't an astronaut, he was a tv comedian! And he was just using space travel as a metaphor for beating his wife!"
Ya…I dont….
Like the guy but many of those WRs on the bubble can end up on PS and probably wont be picked up by any other team (maybe Hall)….
But if Lee is cut, he will get picked up….and he isnt PS eligible…
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All drafted and undrafted rookies
Mike Kafka
Cornelius Ingram
Chad Hall
Rod Harper
AQ Shipley
Dallas Reynolds
Fenuki Tupou
Austin Howard
Joe Toledo
Daniel Te’o-Nesheim
Philip Hunt
Keenan Clayton
Brandon Hughes
Isaiah Trufant
Colt Anderson
Jamar Adams
Jamar Wall
How is colt eligible for PS?
"Get 'Em"
by FlyEagles15 on Sep 1, 2011 3:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Players who were active for fewer than 9 games are eligible
Colt joined midway through last season and was active for 8 games so he barely sneaks in.
Oh ok.
I thought he played more games than that.
"Get 'Em"
by FlyEagles15 on Sep 1, 2011 6:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Reserve Speculation & Results are fun... For now
I am really enjoying Kafka’s play. I wish he would get a chance to prove himself before the last string hits the field. He’s exciting and seems well versed in the offense, for a young third string QB. Question though; doesn’t he seem better prepared to be the backup? I understand VY’s abilities/history would point to him as more qualifed, but he hasn’t proven it yet this preseason. Or is this one of Reid’s false depth chart to keep face with the high priced backup, but (heaven forbid, knock knocking on wood) if the starting QB went down Kafka would jump to starter? Reid did this before with Garcia over AJ as AJ was formally 2nd on depth chart but got skipped when McNabb went down.
by Eagleterian on Sep 1, 2011 12:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Im as big of a Kafka supporter as they come….but VY did show much improvement last game…and if he continues tonight…he is definitely suited to be the back up QB…
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I agree with the VY improvement and his capability to play backup. But do you think he’s out played Kafka? Stat wise he hasn’t. I’d like to see Kafka against the 2nd stringers because his stats are the best on the team for a QB. PRESEASON STATS KAFKA VS YOUNG:
Kafka- PASSING: 27/38 (71% comp, 99.9 QB rating)
by Eagleterian on Sep 1, 2011 2:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with the VY improvement and his capability to play backup. But do you think he’s out played Kafka? Stat wise he hasn’t. I’d like to see Kafka against the 2nd stringers because his stats are the best on the team for a QB. PRESEASON STATS KAFKA VS YOUNG:
Kafka- PASSING: 27/38 (71% comp, 99.9 QB rating), 292 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, no sacks; RUSHING: 7 rushes for 34 yds, 4.9 yds per attempt, long of 17 yds.
Young- PASSING: 17/25 (68% comp, 64.9 QB rating), 137 yds, 1 TD,2 INT, 2 sacks; RUSHING: 6 rushes for 32 yds, 5.3 yds per attempt, long of 10 yds.
I’m not sold that Young is winning this battle for the backup QB. When VY’s out there they make him hand off most of the time in a vanilla looking offense. Kakfa looks like he’s running the standard offense.
by Eagleterian on Sep 1, 2011 2:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with the VY improvement and his capability to play backup. But do you think he’s out played Kafka? Stat wise he hasn’t. I’d like to see Kafka against the 2nd stringers because his stats are the best on the team for a QB. PRESEASON STATS KAFKA VS YOUNG:
Kafka- PASSING: 27/38 (71% comp, 99.9 QB rating), 292 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, no sacks; RUSHING: 7 rushes for 34 yds, 4.9 yds per attempt, long of 17 yds.
Young- PASSING: 17/25 (68% comp, 64.9 QB rating), 137 yds, 1 TD,2 INT, 2 sacks; RUSHING: 6 rushes for 32 yds, 5.3 yds per attempt, long of 10 yds.
I’m not sold that Young is winning this battle for the backup QB. When VY’s out there they make him hand off most of the time in a vanilla looking offense. Kafka looks like he’s running the standard offense. Actually Kafka’s numbers are better than Vick too, not that I’m implying anything there.
by Eagleterian on Sep 1, 2011 2:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Opps sorry for the repeated half posts...
by Eagleterian on Sep 1, 2011 2:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And these are fair comments. However, if VY can get a good grasp on the play book and do well tonight… his experience would come in handy in big game situations. Kafka has been solid so far, but has yet to face a number 1 defense in an important game situation. We know that Young has succeeded (to some extent) in situations like that before. Plus he gives you that extra that Vick gives you in the running game. I think it would still be tougher for teams to gameplan against Young than it would against Kafka, but…. Kafka will get his day… he’s showing great improvement and wouldnt be surprised if he became our #1 in 3 years….
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Agreed....just tossing around thoughts
Kafka’s more raw currently, but VY has never shown a consistant arm. He won that National Championship with his feet and hasn’t shown any additional skill sets since. I don’t think Vince has the moxi to lead a pass happy offense. I do agree that Kafka’s future looks strong, brighter than most are noticing. B.West, nice chat’n
by Eagleterian on Sep 1, 2011 5:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
These are positions where I want to see the guys on the bubble
Offensive line – Haven’t heard anything about Fenuki. Which of Austin Howard and King Dunlap will be kept as backup tackle? Will McGlynn be kept as a guard?
Defensive line – Can Te’o-Nesheim, my fellow UW graduate, stake a claim to a spot on the roster (doesn’t look like it)? My interest is focused more on the DT’s though: Hargrove, Landri, Laws.
Linebacker – Keenan Clayton and Brian Rolle
Secondary — Basically, I want to see all the DB’s except for the DNAK crew (Dominique, Nnamdi, Asante, Kurt). Especially Hughes, Marsh, Jarrett and Lindley.
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I wanna see jarrett blow someone up already.
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by FlyEagles15 on Sep 1, 2011 3:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think
O line: King makes the team this whole preseason he has not been bad at all really I also think McGlynn plays where he s needed.
D line: Laws makes the team and Hargrove intrigues me.
Linebacker: This is a tough one I see KC as the hybrid and that helps his chances Rolle is worth keeping an eye on.
Secondary: I have been a Marsh fan before we drafted him and he really looks good he at least makes the PS, Lindley has not made the strides I thought he would have but that might very well be due to the lockout. Jarrett is a torpedo lurking for that big hit. I am wondering about Page back there also.
if lee is cut
He will probably end up in a giants uniforn
by sandiegoeaglesfan on Sep 1, 2011 3:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I would like to see
- New starting OL play a series or two. With or without Peters, IDC. But I’d like to see how they do. Mostly just to let them form some chemistry.
- Vince to look a bit more comfortable, I’d like to see him display that arm and make some good throws.
- Ronnie and Dion to make some big plays, I’d like to see the Eagles use them both throughout the game, because if (knock on wood) McCoy went down you know both would be used and I’d like to see how it works in a game scenario even if it’s only against scrubs.
- I’d like to see Laws dominate, he has so much potential within this system he could really be a 8-10 sacks a year type guy. Also Dixon being out there for a game won’t hurt him, I was looking for a huge jump from him, we could use his run stuffing abilities in the middle.
- Backup LB’s, I want to see Jordan, Rolle and Clayton. I’ve never seen what makes everybody so hard over Clayton so I’d like to see it for once, Rolle’s probably a special teams guy but we need to see that backup unit just incase something happens to one of our starters (knock on wood)
- As far as TE goes, I do think Harbors the guy that the Eagles keep, he’s really athletic and has made some really good strides, Lee’s a good blocker but we don’t need a guy like that on the bench, we need a guy that’s close to Celek. Lee’s got potential to unseat Harbor though.
- I want to see Lindley have a good game, he’s been lost in the shuffle but if he has a good game it’ll go a long way.
- Nate Allen needs a good game, he’s fighting for his starting job and honestly should be ahead of where he’s at right now. I do think Castillo’s using him wrong, I think he and Coleman should be flipped but I think Castillo will learn.
- Chad Hall is a guy I want to see. I’d like to see him have another big game, he’s our leading receiver right now so he’s got 1 shoe in the door, if he makes some plays tonight he’ll likely make the team, especially since KR’s don’t mean shit anymore, he’ll suffice as a guy to catch the ball and handle the touchbacks.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Maybe Hall gets in as the 6thWR/4thRB/token short stubyby white guy ?? If you give him enough names/rolls, he should be able to make it in lol
Clayton HAS show skills and made plays during pre-season, this year AND last year…you just havent noticed him.
I agree, Allen needs to step up his game, and should be playing centre field, not in the box…
FLY #7 FLY !!!
Honestly.
I’d like to see Hall carry the ball some, he was decent at it, he got a couple of 10 yard runs and a few 5 yard runs.. By no means do we put him in at the Goal Line but as a change of pace with this ZBS he could get 10 yards, 5 yards etc here and there.
Clayton’s done some good things, but he’s entirely overhyped.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Is it going to be on national televisions?
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by SHADY RECORDS on Sep 1, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Dunta Is A PUNK on Sep 1, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Will it be on
Armed Forces Network?
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RE;VY
Good luck Eagles.Your team is nice.
IMHO VY is done.He can’t read,can’t throw,and can’t learn.
Pray Vick doesn’t get hurt. VY isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed in case ya’ll haven’t realized that.
That is why the Titans let him walk.
I disagree.
Vince you has actually made some good reads as the preseason has come on, he’s learned quite a bit and changed a little. He’s actually got a good arm.
Vince isn’t bad, I think the Titans just didn’t want to work with an athlete as raw as Vince is.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Dude.
They made the kid the number 3 overall pick.
We WANTED him to be good.He is not.
He cannot throw a screen,learn the playbook,or act like a man.
I watched EVERY game he ever played for the Titans..
We won in spite of him,not because of him.
You’ll see.
Uh huh.
So tonight was a fluke? The fact he’s learned a complex playbook well enough to go for almost 200 yards in a preseason game is a joke?
And there were times when Vince saved your guys’ asses.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Hilarious...
30-17 record with Vince Young.
15-18 without him.
Same team. Just minus Vince.
Two times in his career, he took over for Kerry Collins and IMMEDIATELY began winning games. Twice in his career, Kerry Collins took over for him while he had been winning and immediately began losing games.
Yep…sounds like winning in spite of to me.
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It’s funny: when you want to love a guy like Mark Sanchez, it doesn’t matter that he has a top-5 defense in a run heavy offense, “he’s a winner”. But when you want to hate a guy like Vince, the team won games in spite of their efforts.
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