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How Much Will DeSean be Asking For?
by AnthroEagle on Aug 6, 2011 11:51 PM EDT
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DeSean is about to end his holdout on Monday. It would be great if this was because he wanted to get back to work, but we know that’s not the case. He wants a new contract, and he certainly deserves it. But how much does he deserve. There has been speculation that he’s looking for top 5 WR money, but is he worth it? He’s a unique talent, no doubt, but does he have the production to garner that sort of deal?
To determine this, I’m going to compare DeSean statistically to a few other players and argue my case of where he falls. Let’s get this crackin’ with the man of the hour himself, Mr. DeSean Jackson…
Receiving 2008-10: 171 rec, 3124 yds, 17 TDs
Rushing 2008-10: 44 att, 337 yds, 3 TDs
Return 2008-10: 99 ret, 1112 yds, 4 TDs
Contract: 4 year, $3.058 million
Very impressive numbers across the board. DeSean stands out amongst the #1 WRs due to his unique value as a returner. Also, his speed on running plays allows him to rack up some yards there as well. I personally think that his return skills make him more valuable than another WR with his receiving numbers
Receiving 2008-10: 302 rec, 4860 yds, 25 TDs
Rushing 2008-10: 4 att, 20 yds, 0 TDs
Contract: 7 year, $73.5 million
Andre Johnson is a prototypical #1 WR – and he’s the highest paid WR in the NFL. What is scary for Eagles fans is that DeSean’s overall numbers over the past three years have been pretty similar to Johnson’s. He’s about 200 total yards short of Johnson and one TD short – quite impressive, really. But the good thing for us here is that about 1/4th of that total comes from return duty, which tends to be valued less than receiving throughout the league. Both players have been fairly durable (minus a few small injuries) over this span, but Johnson has a sturdier frame and is a more complete receiver. He is also the Texans biggest offensive threat, and was really their only threat at the time he signed his contract. DeSean is clearly not our only weapon. I think that DeSean is closer to Johnson than any of us realized, but he still doesn’t deserve that type of deal.
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Receiving 2008-10: 291 rec, 3399 yds, 19 TDs
Rushing 2009-10: 11 att, 38 yds, 0 TDs
Contract: 5 year, $50 million
Brandon Marshall is different than DeSean and Johnson in that he was a free agent when he signed his deal, while the other two were re-upping with their current clubs. And ruh-roh… DeSean’s got him beat in total yards and TDs. He’s only 270 receiving yards short of Marshall and 2 TDs short. When you add in his returning and rushing yards it’s not even close. The whole "complete receiver" and "bigger frame" arguments that applied for Johnson stand here as well, as does the argument about being the "primary weapon." But still, DeSean could realistically get this much money from someone else. But he has said he wants to stay in Philly, so hopefully he’ll take a little less. Either way, we’re probably paying him close to $10 mil per year if we keep him. Yikes. But let’s look at two more interesting comparisons.
via morajunction.com
Receiving 2008-10: 148 rec, 1897 yds, 10 TDs
Returning 2008-10: 139 att, 2211 yds, 3 TDs
Rushing 2008-10: 19 rush, 90 yds, 0 TDs
Contract: 4 year, $41 million
I really like this comparison because it shows the value of returners. The punt return is arguably DeSean’s biggest selling point, and Hester allows him to back that with a claim to cash. His total yardage is less than Jackson’s by a few hundred yards, and he has less TDs as well. Hester is an incredibly dynamic athlete and is the sort of "rare talent" that DeSean is. But again, he’s making $10 million/year – just like Marshall. Hester is a better return man than DeSean by a small margin, but DeSean is a better WR than Hester by a country mile. This is scary, because this model might show that DeSean is worth *more* than $10 mil per. Hester, again, was the Bears’ only weapon when he signed, which is the one bright spot for Philly fans. Rosenhaus is probably playing this card in conjunction with the comparisons to other WRs’ contracts. I really think that $10 million/year is DeSean’s fair market value.
Receiving: 2008-10: 45 rec, 445 yds, 3 TDs
Rushing 2008-10: 104 att, 612 yds, 2 TDs
Return 2008-10: 86 att, 848 yds, 1 TD
Passing 2008-10: 4/11, 45 yds, 0 TD - 1 INT
Contract: 3 year, $20 million
I threw in Cribbs to take a look at another Hester-esque super weapon. Cribbs is not much of a receiver, and Jackson’s numbers blow his out of the water in every category. It’s really no comparison, but it’s a good reference. Even mediocre numbers like this earned Cribbs $6.3 million/year.
Cribbs’ deal will have very little bearing on what we give DeSean – but the comparisons to Marshall, Hester, and even Johnson are scary. DeSean’s numbers show that he deserves a big payout. Fair market value for him is probably a 4-6 year deal at $10 million per year. Hopefully he’ll take a little less to stay with Philly and the (I’m sorry) "Dream Team," perhaps $7.5-$8.25 million per. But what do you guys think? After looking at these numbers, what is DeSean worth, and what should the Eagles offer? Thanks for reading guys, appreciated as always.
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no id be pissed if he gets even that much...
I mean I understand he is unique and all…but if he loses even a step he’s done. That’s all he’s got is that burst… I see 5 to 6 million a year being reasonable…he may have close to the same yardage as the top guys but nowhere near the catches. And that’s a big deal! That’s less 1st downs and less spreading….he should get 5 to 6 million with about 10 million guaranteed
by sandiegoeaglesfan on Aug 7, 2011 12:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Im back and forth with it...
I agree 100% that quick start burst Jackson has is his biggest asset. Lose any speed and he’s an average receiver. His Size is certainly not #1 lead man size so I feel this is a knock against him. Playmaker yes! 4th and goal in the superbowl at the close of game stud…. EHH. Not in my mind. Of course he is always a threat to make a big play. However as someone mentioned below Go routes are only so effective; for his expected payday he needs to be that goto clutch guy. I am in no way saying drop the guy, his ST abilities is enough to earn him a decent payday. I just feel 7 pr yr for 5 or 6 of em is about right. Anything more and your calling this guy our Randy Moss, Larry Fitz, or Andre Johnson? Doesn’t quite add up.
by scolabird on Aug 9, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He'll get a 6-7 year deal and the Eagles will front load it so when he does slow down he's not making as much and they
can restructure or cut him with minimal hit.
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If he gets over 8 a year
His ass had better start going over the middle again. Plus if we give him too much then we will have to give Maclin a similar number in a year or two and then we are blowing a ton of cap space on our WRs. I have a feeling Rosenhaus is going to demand 119 a year and Howie’s first born.
Just cuz you pay a guy doesn’t mean you have to kill him. He shouldn’t be running over the middle of the field regardless of what his contract is.
why?
Just because he is small? If he doesn’t do the things that a number 1 WR needs to do to help his teams gfame plan, then why would he desrve WR 1 money? I’m not saying to send him on crossing patterns all the time but there is more to the routes that need to be run to have a successful offense then post and fly routes. A WR 1, getting WR 1 money, needs to harness his craft and not always rely on his ridiculous athelticism.
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by JimmyK on Jul 21, 2011 7:21 PM EDT
by Talon Talent on Aug 7, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Not worth the risk. Sending desean on the post and fly routes opens the middle for avant and celek.. that’s the whole essence of our offense.
Bingo.
Having Desean go deep draws not only 1 but both safety’s back a little. Getting Maclin, Celek, McCoy and Avant more room.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
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Djax's speed draws 3 guys.. The Free Safety normally comes over the top and the SS
normally starts cheating that way too.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
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Disregard DJackson, Acquire Boldin
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Aug 7, 2011 12:32 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
why does everyone say that?
“Trade for boldin”, “get boldin”…..we can’t…baltimore got him and I think locked him up…and he’s flaccos number one target. It’d have to be a very pretty package to squire him
by sandiegoeaglesfan on Aug 7, 2011 12:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It was a joke — a very old one here, haha. Ever since the days when that was a realistic possibility.
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o my bad
some people are serious though when they say that….
by sandiegoeaglesfan on Aug 7, 2011 12:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Haha, no prob. And when you see it here it’s usually a joke. Making fun of those on the PE/ESPN/Yahoo! boards.
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Also, when something is written in that font, it tends to be sarcastic. (Sarcasm font)
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Aug 7, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
i still don't know how to do the sarcasm font...
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by flyeaglesfly1020 on Aug 7, 2011 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions
thanks
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by Cowboy KILLER on Aug 7, 2011 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks Fly
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Jackson should get a decent contract.
His numbers suggest if he were targeted more, as Johnson is, he would have better numbers. He deserves a contract with comparable numbers to the Johnson/Hester deals because of yards and special team threat. I also agree if he gets that type of money his ass better start going across the middle…
I hope I am wrong, but Kolb is a four-letter word.
I think he's worth about 9-11 a year...
Also throw incentives for returning and receiving.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Yup
Not a good sign for us — Jackson’s return ability is a huge asset, and Hester’s contract proves that teams will pay for that service.
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wtf...
didn’t they basically kill the return game? or is that only on kickoffs? Hester got his money for breaking the NFL record for return tds. Jackson’s not even close to that.
meaning
not close to his return tds. sry for replyin to myself
to be fair
that’s the team that gave up 2 first round picks, Kyle orton and a 3rd round pick for Jay Cutler. There insanity should not be included anywhere in the discussion.
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by JimmyK on Jul 21, 2011 7:21 PM EDT
by Talon Talent on Aug 7, 2011 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll one up you.
Their coach when all this happened was none other than Mike Shanahan.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
by wild_eagle on Aug 8, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No
Mike Shanahan did not coach the Bears. LT reading comprehension.
I believe he means that Shanahan was coaching the team that fleeced them, aka the Broncos. But McDaniels was the coach when it happened, because he sparked it by pursuing his prodigy Matt Cassel, thereby making Cutler unhappy.
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Yes, this.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Cribbs is making 6 million a year?
What is this world coming to?!?
by Ralf E Chubbs on Aug 7, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Rec
This is how a fanpost is supposed to look.
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
"Or if the rest of the defense if even decent then
our two Rookie safety’s don’t have to go all Ed Reed-Palamolu-Dawkins-super sayan badass mode to help us win." - W_E
Sending pics of your junk > dog killing > generally being a douche > sexual assault allegations > being on the Cowboys.
give him 9 per year, 11 million if he reaches incentives given to him.
The performance incentive like 65+ catches, 1200+ yards, 10+ touchdowns, all-pro status
My mojo so dope. BITCH!
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by dday on Aug 7, 2011 1:25 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
great read bro
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by So. Cal Swag on Aug 7, 2011 1:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
His speed is gonna get him paid.
He doesn’t need to run slants. He’s dangerously quick on reverses,often running past his blockers. Always a threat on special teams,and 80yd bombs in single coverage.Plus one on one running down the sideline its 6pts if its an accurate throw. He takes heat off Mac and draws double coverage on passing plays. So a five yr 45 million dollar contract is acceptable.
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Great Post as always D10
I think the Hester deal is very bad for us. The fact that someone that is only a returner got paid that much Desean is gonna want 11-12. I think the fair deal is around 6 years 55-65 million (that seems right to me).
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by Mr.electric10 on Aug 7, 2011 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions
i love em but.
I don’t think he’s worth more than 7-8 a year. Maybe 10 with incentives but he’s not gonna get 10 a year from 40 catches and 6 tds a year. He’s my favorite player but he’s not among the tier 1 receivers in this league. like i said above, Hester broke the nfl record for return TDs and did far more than Jackson’s 1 epic punt return. I know he has like 3-4 in his career but Hester has 13, including one in the SB. My point is Hester’s contract should mean nothing to Desean’s new deal.
ehhh
24 TD’s in 3 years, is 24 TD’s in 3 years. Luckily the Eagles are shrewd negotiators so we should get him reasonably.
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by JimmyK on Jul 21, 2011 7:21 PM EDT
Great Post - 10mil seems fair.
If not for the concussions, he would be worth more. I get the impression that he wants to do less returning and more receiving. That might help us in negotiations. Hopefully the Birds will do what it takes to get him taken care of. Its ridiculous the amount of lesser players that are getting paid more than Desean.
I've seen like 3 of these "How much do we pay DJAX?" posts
And each one used the WR’s they wanted to make a point with as their examples.
Based on this small sample size, you’re more inclined to go with a more expensive number, where if you use other #1 WR’s with smaller contracts, you’d be going with the 5-7 mil/ yr contract.
2 other points: Just because YOU don’t want to pay him 7 mil a year because if he “loses a step, that’s all he’s got”… Welcome to the game of pro football. Huge contracts, guaranteed money and injuries are a part of the game. Don’t quit your day job to be an NFL GM.
2nd point haha
DeSean10- Good Fanpost. Sets a great example for what these things should look like.
Rec’d.
by Ralf E Chubbs on Aug 7, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but all the WRs who have gotten contracts lately seem to making that sort of cash. It was more of a comparison of stats. But here’s some other contracts:
Fitzgerald:4yr $40mil
Holmes: 5yr $50mil
S. Rice: 5yr $41mil
Sa. Moss: 3yr $15mil
Smith (CAR): 6yr 44mil (signed in 07)
Boldin: 4yr $28mil
Unfortunately, none of these contracts indicate that DeSean should make any less than $7mil. DeSean blows most of these guys out of the water numbers wise, and the only one who’s making less than $7mil per is Moss. Steve Smith, who is the closest comparison to DeSean (as a WR) out there, IMO, is making $7.5 million/year on a deal he signed three years ago. The price has gone up since then, too. He’ll be looking for $10mil, I think, but will hopefully settle for something in the Steve Smith range to stay with this team.
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You've helped explain my point
You expanded the number of WR’s you use as an example, and with this set, you’ve got top WRs who make less than 10 mil.
Were you to use more, say the top WR/ top 2 WRs per team in the NFL,the number would go down again.
Now, there is the obvious point that you’re making, which is that #10 is unlike any other WR currently in the NFL.
I guess my point is we’ll see, haha
by Ralf E Chubbs on Aug 7, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Here’s the deal though — I’m not handpicking guys. I just listed the 6 WRs who came to my head first. An exhaustive analysis of contracts and stats would take days to write up and would be one of the longest posts this place has ever seen, lol. I’m just doing my best to put a diverse group of comparisons out there.
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if sidney rice
can get over 8 mil a year, I’d say Desean will want at least 10.
OOoooohh snortskies ooooooohh!!
Look at the numbers, bro. We probably won’t pay him that much, but I can see why he would think he deserves it.
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Exactly the point (and the problem)
Because DJax is hard to compare with others (he way exceeds on a rare combination of measures, while not filling all the expectations of any one traditional team role) – means that there will be a big range. The top end of that range = overpaying, but that is undoubtedly where Rosendouche will set DeSean’s expectations. We simply cannot pay him a salary that demands that he carry the offense (because of what it does to the overall structure) when he clearly cannot carry the whole offense. Just because Chicago was stupid and desperate doesn’t mean we should be. Ask their front office if they’d offer the same deal to Hester if they had it to do over again. Sadly, that difference between expectations and reality has be afraid that peanut’s glory days in green maybe coming to a TO-like end, either through attitude this year or a nasty FA discussion next year.
by PrincetonGreen on Aug 8, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
This is exactly what I have been trying to say.
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
I think...
I think it will be mid 20s guaranteed…$25-27MM on a 5 year deal…but his durability and emphasis on the legs puts him in a difficult situation with higher guarantees/longer years…Eagles may try to reduce to 4 year deal, $40MM, with about $20MM guaranteed. The good thing here is the club has leverage under the CBA. They could literally hold him, not pay him, and franchise tag him end of year…particularly if they rework Vick. Dangle the contract with some mid level Benji’s, see what he does.
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I actually said that a few weeks ago...
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Rosenhaus is also going to be asking for this contract to be a true-up to compensate Desean for vastly outplaying his initial contract and for being a good soldier while doing so (e.g., no sit-ups in the driveway — though I suspect Rosenhaus will be unlikely to raise that example). He’s going to tell the front office that they need to pay Desean top dollar to add credibility to their talk about how players will be better off in dealing with the Eagles if they don’t hold out, honor their contracts until close to the end, etc. Desean has done everything they’ve asked, he’s done everything right, and he hasn’t made any serious waves.
If they don’t treat Desean right and pay him what he has earned already (remember, they said they couldn’t pay him more last year because of the 30% rule) and what he’s worth going forward, the FO’s problems will extend far beyond Desean. The FO will know that, and Rosenhaus is sure to remind them of it.
That suggests that Desean will get paid toward the high end of the range, with a big chunk guaranteed.
by Clyde Simmons 96 on Aug 7, 2011 11:36 AM EDT reply actions
Great point
I didn’t even think of that. Like I said, $10mil is fair but I doubt he gets 10. Maybe $8.5mil to $9mil per. Whatever he gets, I just want to get him signed soon.
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Agreed about wanting to get him signed soon. Also agree with the concern in your post that the better Desean looks vs. the high-end comparables the tougher it’s going to be. Good post.
by Clyde Simmons 96 on Aug 7, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Desean10 died??
Winning is in our DNA
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Asante means "thank you" in Swahili. Eli Manning means "here you go" in another language
Died sounds a little harsh… More like reborn in a truer form, like Gandalf from Lord of the Rings or that other wizard, the one that the church seems to like so much because he turned water to wine.
/offensive jokes
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That other wizard caused us to lose the NFC Championship Game in ’09, at least according to Kurt Warner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdTLqmY5x3M
I thought it was our crappy defense and #5’s inability to hit the broad side of a barn on the last drive. But if that wizard caused us to lose that game, he’s a dick.
by Clyde Simmons 96 on Aug 7, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
It was our defense and a ridiculous non-call
- had a 375 yd, 3 TD game.
Defense has gotta win it with those numbers.
Hmmm… guess I don’t wanna be compared to him then. We’ll stick with Gandalf.
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Cool. I think our new secondary will have a little bit of Gandalf in them as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4UfAL9f74I
by Clyde Simmons 96 on Aug 7, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked your other name.
And I think 7-8 million is great for DeSean. Even Rosenhaus would be happy with that. As they say, Straight Cash Homie™
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If I were the Eagles, I'd give him a 4year $40million deal - maybe more.
He’s an amazing athelete and one of my favorite players in the league.
The assholeness was showed off.
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by starship 007 on Aug 7, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
@no it wasn’t @
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Asante means "thank you" in Swahili. Eli Manning means "here you go" in another language
Rec'd
5 yr – $45M w $20M gtd, backloaded with high roster bonuses in years 3,4 & 5.
I saw you had the same
but I have posted these same numbers before, although initially I was at $7M yearly, but that won’t get it done.
I wrote this on another thread
Jackson is NOT special. He is used the right way for his skill set. Imagine Louis Murphy ( a bigger more physical WR) in Jackson place. It would be a lot harder for defenses to make him disappear in games considering he could run deep slants and clear the S from one side of the feild. I do love what Jackson brings to the offense. I do not like how he is perceived as a once in a lifetime talent.
His #‘s in the receiving game reflect his importance to the game but they also reveal the limits of his skills. Last season when Vick needed a 1st down he never looked for Jackson. WHY? Because Jackson is not a A) good at catching the ball (top ten in drops). B). Does not run routes designed for first down pickups. C). does not do well when covered by above average CB’s. 45 catches in a season cannot cut it at 10 mill a year (Jackson supposed asking price). His 33 first down catches ranks 50th among all NFL WR’s.IN TD receptions he ranked 29TH last season. Which Brings me to his redzone presence. 5 of Jackson’s 6 total TD’s receiving were 40 yards+. Which means inside the 20 he is a wasted body on the field.
Again let me reiterate that I love what Jackson brings to the Eagles offense but he is NOT the glue that holds the offense together. He can be replaced this season if contract negotiations don’t go well (which I don’t think they will). Rosencreep will push for 10 mill a year and the Eagles front office WILL NOT pay Jackson that amount. I think they will top out at 8 mill and if the deal goes south then Jackson will be traded to team that has a player with the same skill set. Players that come to mind… the aforementioned Murphy, Mike Wallce, Malcolm Floyd, Jacoby Ford, and Percy Harvin.
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
Alright, let's debate this
Imagine Louis Murphy ( a bigger more physical WR) in Jackson place.
What “place” is that? As a WR who gets thrown the deep ball? Because that already happens. And Murphy is not as fast, quick, or elusive as Jackson. And I’m a big Murphy fan, I think he’s the single most underrated WR in the league (and have said so on this blog before). But he’s simply not as good of an athlete as DeSean. He might be a better pure WR, not athlete.
Your point, whether you realize it or not, is that DeSean is not a COMPLETE receiver, which nobody here would argue. That’s why he’s not looked for on third downs or in the red zone. But he is special. He’s faster than anybody in the league and has insane quickness. He can burn CBs like no other WR can, and he does crazy things when he’s given some space in the open field. He’s a top 3 return man in this league. To say he’s not crazy is ridiculous. And to say that he doesn’t deserve big money because he’s not a complete receiver is wrong — look at the money Hester got. Same with Holmes and Carolina’s Steve Smith; neither of whom are complete receivers. And I don’t think he’ll get much higher than $8mil from the Eagles either, but just look at the stats I provided, especially Marshall and Hester. It’s easy to see how Jackson thinks he’s worth it.
Formerly DeSean10
36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green
In the Eagles offense
Murphy does need to be as fast as Jackson he just needs to be fast PERIOD. Jackson is not special. Any speedy WR runing a go or fly or deep slant will have the attention of the S leaving space for other WR underneath. Look at an NFL roster and you see this it is the makeup of any championship calibre offense. As I said earlier, the peices are in place to replace Jackson’ #’s and presence on the feild should he and his agent balk at the Eagles already determined worth for Jackson.
As for Santonio Holmes… you can’t seriously put Jackson in the company of him as a WR? You won’t ever see Jackson toe tap the sideline or fight for a recption. And Steve Smith really? This man routinely goes over the middle fights for balls and makes spetacular sideline catches. These are TRUE WR’s not just speed guys. To say that Holmes and Smith are not complete WR’s is just crazy. Smith has hit receiving #‘s that Jackson will never hit. Even though he has never had double digit receiving TD’s he has played in a run first offense and been the #1 receiving threat on a team with only him as a legit WR. As for Santonio Holmes again he plays in an offense that is VERY run heavy. Where there was less than 25 pass plays all game. Comparing those player to Jackson is like apples and oranges.
Desean Jackson is a speed WR like Donte Stallworth, Jabar Gaffney, Greg Lewis, Jacoby Ford and many others. YOU DO NOT PAY SPEED GUYS BIG MONEY OVER A LONGTERM CONTRACT. Jimmy Johnson said that when Alvin Harper was looking for #1 WR money. In the SB that the Eagles played the Pats who was the one guy he was most afraid of…..? Greg Lewis. Why? because he was the fastest man on the field. But what has all that speed gotten Lewis but a bunch of one year deals on different teams.
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
But Jackson is more than speed. Speed itself is nothing, ask all the the prospects with 4.25 forty times that didn’t pan out in the NFL. Jackson has incredible agility and can make DBs bite on moves. That’s why he’s put up numbers that none of those “speed” receivers you mentioned never came close to. And you don’t remember that hit he took from Dunta Robinson? That happened when he was going over the middle. he goes over the middle but people say he doesn’t because he doesn’t make a lot of catches there. And DeSean is also a valuable asset in the return game… why are we going in circles here? DeSean is a better WR than any of the speed receivers you mentioned and is one of the best returners in the game. While I agree he isn’t a complete receiver, it’s ridiculous to say that he’s Greg Lewis. But I think we’re gonna have to agree to disagree here, because you seem very set in your opinion.
Formerly DeSean10
36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green
Jackson does not want to return punts unless in special situations.
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
bro.. did u just compare Jackson to the likes of Stallworth, JABAR GAFFNEY, & GREG LEWIS!? You might as well add Ted Ginn to that list.. anyway, i can see why u would say Holmes or Smith are better “true” WR’s (although i disagree). the way i see it, Jackson makes up for those “toe taps” by taking a reverse 40 yards to the house, makes up for spectacular catches by having spectacular runs after the catch, fight for ball? theres no one to fight for the ball with once you’ve scorched the secondary.
bro.. did u just compare Jackson to the likes of Stallworth, JABAR GAFFNEY, & GREG LEWIS!? You might as well add Ted Ginn to that list.. anyway, i can see why u would say Holmes or Smith are better “true” WR’s (although i disagree). the way i see it, Jackson makes up for those “toe taps” by taking a reverse 40 yards to the house, makes up for spectacular catches by having spectacular runs after the catch, fight for ball? theres no one to fight for the ball with once you’ve scorched the secondary.As far as Jackson not being “special” or better yet him being “replaceable” is crazy talk.. you dont replace a football player who can take it home on ANY GIVEN PLAY (Gaffney really?)
bro.. did u just compare Jackson to the likes of Stallworth, JABAR GAFFNEY, & GREG LEWIS!? You might as well add Ted Ginn to that list.. anyway, i can see why u would say Holmes or Smith are better “true” WR’s (although i disagree). the way i see it, Jackson makes up for those “toe taps” by taking a reverse 40 yards to the house, makes up for spectacular catches by having spectacular runs after the catch, fight for ball? theres no one to fight for the ball with once you’ve scorched the secondary.As far as Jackson not being “special” or better yet him being “replaceable” is crazy talk.. you dont replace a football player who can take it home on ANY GIVEN PLAY (Gaffney really?)Only argument to take serious is his lack of receptions when compared to other #1’s, which IMO doesn’t mean TOO much when 2-3 of his receptions produce the same yardage and TD’s of another receivers 7-10.
bro.. did u just compare Jackson to the likes of Stallworth, JABAR GAFFNEY, & GREG LEWIS!? You might as well add Ted Ginn to that list.. anyway, i can see why u would say Holmes or Smith are better “true” WR’s (although i disagree). the way i see it, Jackson makes up for those “toe taps” by taking a reverse 40 yards to the house, makes up for spectacular catches by having spectacular runs after the catch, fight for ball? theres no one to fight for the ball with once you’ve scorched the secondary.As far as Jackson not being “special” or better yet him being “replaceable” is crazy talk.. you dont replace a football player who can take it home on ANY GIVEN PLAY (Gaffney really?)Only argument to take serious is his lack of receptions when compared to other #1’s, which IMO doesn’t mean TOO much when 2-3 of his receptions produce the same yardage and TD’s of another receivers 7-10.Jackson strikes fear into the opponent like no other and is the NFL’s biggest playmaker (Vick & CJ are arguable). Bottom line pay the man, he is well deserved of a 10mil/Yr deal.. No free agent pick up (besides Nnamdi) is as important as having #10 back. imo the only knock on this offseason would be if they cant pay Jackson wat he deserves or atleast a figure remotely close
Jackson is NOT special.
Yes he is.
Louis Murphy
He sucks. Your credibility is shot. You lose.
C). does not do well when covered by above average CB’s.
he gets covered by each teams best CB dumbass.
45 catches in a season cannot cut it at 10 mill a year
Yes but 1000+ yards, 6 TD’s, leading the league in big plays and his return ability does.
Which means inside the 20 he is a wasted body on the field.
Except for the fact that Teams had to watch him with 2 men and the Eagles focused on Avant and Maclin down there.
He can be replaced
He really can’t there’s no other player like him.
Murphy, Mike Wallce, Malcolm Floyd, Jacoby Ford, and Percy Harvin.
Mike Wallace is the only one that’s even close to Desean and even then he doesn’t have the production Desean does.
Murphy is Garbage.. 41 catches, 609 yards, 2 TD’s… LOL
Malcolm Floyd isn’t special.. 37 rec, 717 yards, 6 TD’s.. In a year when he was basically the primary receiver for the majority of it he’s garbage.
Jacoby Ford… 25 rec, 470 yards, 2 TD’s… LMAO.
Percy Harvin.. 71 rec, 868 yards, 5 TD’s… Decent.
So what you’re saying shitdick is that you want to replace the most prolific player in the NFL with guys like Murphy, Ford, Floyd and Harvin? Please pass the pipe.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
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I agree with almost everything you said, except about Murphy. Check out some Raiders games, this kid can play. He’s just stuck on, you know, the Raiders…
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36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green
by AnthroEagle on Aug 8, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Actually Murphy's not that great. It's Ford that was making those big plays for them.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
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Watch some football as long as I have
Do some research before you come at me with insults wildeagle. you missing the point.
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
What's your point?
And I love how you say “watch some football as long as I have” it doesn’t matter how long you’ve watched it, you’re wrong, just because you may have watched football 5 more years than I have doesn’t mean shit. The game evolves, and I think everybody here would agree that between you and I that I am the one who’s intelligent.
Also look at my research you fucking sack of shit:
Murphy is Garbage.. 41 catches, 609 yards, 2 TD’s… LOL
Malcolm Floyd isn’t special.. 37 rec, 717 yards, 6 TD’s.. In a year when he was basically the primary receiver for the majority of it he’s garbage.
Jacoby Ford… 25 rec, 470 yards, 2 TD’s… LMAO.
Percy Harvin.. 71 rec, 868 yards, 5 TD’s… Decent.
Do some fucking research before you start secreting that dung from your mouth you fucking amateur.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
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Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
First off young fella
Watch your damned tone. This is the internet and the name calling is not needed. I can tell by your words you are not only getting frustrated but you are showing your age. Don’t make me get the belt out and WHOOP YOUR ASS.
Second, as much as the game changes it stays the same. Every base offenes in the NFL has a SPEED WR and a possesion WR which do you think Jackson is? Then name a pure speed WR in the HOF.
I won’t indulge your insults and small mindedness unless we get to talk face to face so respond all you want it will be ignored.
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
First off dont be a dick
I won’t indulge your insults and small mindedness unless we get to talk face to face so respond all you want it will be ignored.
You arent better than anyone else. You made an interesting (if not completely stupid) claim and W_E challenged you. Man up! Find something (if this is anything) to support ur belief.
Now on to your claim. Its wrong. Desean is special. He is one of the only players in the NFL (Chris Johnson being the other) who can is a threat to score when he gets the ball. You have seen Desean turn a 7 yard curl into a 91 yard TD (cowboys game) take a 10 yard slant and have it become a 70 yard TD (chiefs game). Desean also is a top 3 returner. He is a very special player that the eagles would hate HATE to lose. Period.
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by Mr.electric10 on Aug 8, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you a hype man or something?
Desean is as special as YOU make him. He is replaceble like every other player in the league. Great coaches realize this good GM’s live by this yet here Desean Jackson is a god….?
Someone placed a stat on this thread about how Jackson score a TD every 14 touches, yet there have been 3 Eagles on the team prior that scored on less touches but were called garbage. Oh i get it he’s a fan favorite like Chad Hall and Stewart Bradley.
And as I said to the cat with his hand up your ass making you type the insults aren’t needed unless we are talking face to face. My point was proved when the both of you couldn’t come up with anything more than an insult. Good day young man.
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
First of you old wrinkly chode
You watch your damn tone. This is BGN and when you say something so fucking retarded that it’s impossible to pass over we’re going to call your stupid ass out on it.. Get your fucking belt, you ain’t gonna have a chance to use it though.
Second Desean’s insanely talented, he blows the top off the coverage. He doesn’t need to be in the HOF, he needs to continue what he’s doing so we can get into the superbowl.
I won’t indulge your insults and small mindedness unless we get to talk face to face so respond all you want it will be ignored.
Your fat old ass wouldn’t even know what to do with me. I’m not some nerdy child who’s going to sit here and take a bunch of bullshit from some 30-40 year old guy who thinks he knows shit because he’s watched a few games. You’re a damn pussy, I doubt you have any respect. Fuck you bitch.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
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Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Good Job Young man you proved my point.
I will tell you this next time you are anywhere near houston TX let me know. I will have my belt ready. All that internet gangsta talk. “Im not some nerdy child who’s going to sit here and take a bunch of shit” in my whiny kid voice.
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
LMAO, Yeah right, you're a pussy and need a belt to fight me.
People on here have seen pics of me, they know i’m not some nerdy kid just talking shit.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
He's a cranky old man who feels that because he was wrong he must
beat me with a belt which would be funny to watch him try…
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
sigh.. remember those days where eagles WR couldnt even smell 1000 yards
My mojo so dope. BITCH!
Revis's Island< Nnamdi's Nation< Jimmy Smith's EGO
Most of this is wrong
I know from your other posts that you might be… sensitive… and maybe a little intense too. I will proceed, knowing that a meltdown is likely imminent.
Jackson is special, but not extordinary. He can be locked down for most or all of a game with a decent game plan. There were games that the coaches locked him out of the action last season. Now that coaches know how, Reid will have to plan extra hard to counter it. He gives opportunities to other receivers by spreading the field, but ordinary speed guys can do that too.
Jackson’s skills as a return man are given too much attention here. This contract is about his future and his future is not as a return man. He will be rarely used in returns in the future because Reid wants him to concentrate on receiving.
Jackson is not always covered by the best CB on a team. Each team rotates coverages differently so you can’t make that blanket assertion. Moreover, not all teams have an above-average CB on the roster. Eaglelover was refering to the fact that when a team DOES have a decent CB, jackson’s production suffers. You’d have understood that with better reading comprehension. Reading this entire post, I see a few places where you misunderstood what the other guy was saying. i can’t be bothered combing back through it, so deny it if you want- i don’t feel like giving additional examples.
1,000+ yards and 6 TDs is not great. Those are not true #1 stats. You act like 6 TDs is something to brag about but it is not. The truth is, DeSean Jackson had a mediocre year that was buttressed by 7 or 8 huge, highlight plays. Those plays are great but they prove that DeSean is a boom and bust receiver. Dare I say…. he is almost a gimmick player and does not deserve a contract like Larry Fitzgerald’s- 4yr/40mill.
You keep saying there is no player like DeSean. It’s probably true… but that isn’t as great as you make it seem. There is no player like Devin Hester. There is no player like Tim Tebow. There is no player like Albert Haynesworth. I don’t really want to see any of those guys an Eagle though. Before you get all crazy over my analogies- here’s the point of them: BEING UNIQUE DOES NOT MAKE YOU GREAT.
Desean should be paid as much as a 6TD, speedy guy deserves. Plus a little extra because his big plays in the past have come through big. To me, that is 5 mill a yr + 2 mill a yr for potential big plays. I’d like to see 4 years/28mill, 18 gtd.
Your analysis of other receivers around the league makes you seem ignorant. Luis Murphy is a great talent on a pretty bad team. The passing offense in particular has been shambles for over 5 years in Oakland. Malcolm Floyd was forced to be a #1 WR and had some monster games when given the opportunity. Percy Harvin was injured last year, had nearly identical stats to jackson.. and you call him decent. There is a good chance he is better than Jackson, but injury ridden.
Wild Eagle, it is you who drank too much green kool aid and wears DeSean jackson colored glasses.
If you think that last year is the best that he will perform, then that would be correct. The 2009 season and the facts that he’s only entering his fourth season and he had to develop chemistry on the fly with Vick last season may suggest his best days are ahead of him.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
And I have to add this
The reason Jackson has better #’s than players like Hester and Cribbs is that he is used different than they are. Hester WAS more than just a deep threat the whole offense centered around his speed in the passing game. Cribbs though not as fast as Jackson or Hester is more of a jack of all trades in Clevelands offense.
Players like Brandon Marshall, Louis Murphy (yes I keep briging him up), Jacoby Ford, Percy Harvin, and Hines ward play in run first offense which takes away recption chances. Jackson plays in a pass happy offense that utilizes his speed. Several of those mentioned above would also thrive in a situation like that. Basically, Jackson reminds me of Alvin Harper. A speedy WO that thinks he is worth more than what he actually is.
Trust me I say the FO has already addressed the possibility that Jackson and his creep of an agent will stand pat at 10 mill. The signings of Moss and Higgins are insurance. If Jackson takes the 8 mill a year one or both will be traded or released before week one. Which i hope happens as I really want Deandre Brown to make the roster. But that will have to be adressed in another thread.
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
Misread, sorry!
But the whole point of him being utilized properly goes both ways – he gets bigger numbers then they do, sure. But Jackson is a behemoth not because of that – but because his threat is one defenses have to account for.
The trade or release was for Higgins and Moss.
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
The reason Jackson has better #’s than players like Hester and Cribbs is that he is used different than they are. Hester WAS more than just a deep threat the whole offense centered around his speed in the passing game. Cribbs though not as fast as Jackson or Hester is more of a jack of all trades in Clevelands offense.
Totally missed my point there. Not talking about their receiving abilities at all. Jackson is a similar weapon to these guys (better, IMO) and is beyond a doubt a better receiver than either of them. Hester is the more interesting one. Jackson is a slightly worse returner than Hester but a much, much better receiver. Why should Hester get $10mil/yr while Jackson doesn’t? That was my point there. And I’m with you on DeAndre Brown; love that guy. All I’m saying is that DeSean will ASK for $10mil because of these numbers, and it’s honestly a fair asking price. But I know just as well as you do that the Eagles won’t pay it, so we’ll see how badly he wants to be an Eagle.
Formerly DeSean10
36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green
I know you were not talking soley about receiving skills
That is why you put up the comparison. But you point out that Jackson is a better returner than Cribbs and just a notch below Hester and that is why he should receive money equal to or better than the two. If Jackson’s contract was based only on receiving he would be worth 5-6 mill a year and the contract or extension could have been done last year with lots of up front signing bonus money.
Trust me when i say this….. The FO has a set dollar amount for Jackson that is non negotiable. If Jackson and his agent won’t agree to that # then Jackson will a. get franchised or b be allowed to test the market. My guess is that on the open market Jackson will get his 10-12 mill but, that same year his production and health will take a sever beating. An NFL player making that amount of money needs to be the focul point of that teams offense. Desean is NOT that.
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
No argument from me there. My guess is that the Eagles are thinking $8.5mil ceiling and DeSean will be looking for $10mil. Hope they can reach an agreement right at that $8.5mil, b/c Philly won’t go higher and Jackson wants his payout.
Formerly DeSean10
36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green
The signings of Moss and Higgins are insurance.
If that’s our FO’s plan for is Desean doesn’t play then that completely counteracts them going and getting Nnamdi in my book.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
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Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
I think that Jackson will not get 10 mil per year. Top end quarterbacks make that much and he doesn’t make a consistent impact as a player. I see a 7-8 mil per year with incentives that can make it up to 10-11 mil per year such as double digit touchdowns and such.
Formerly number5
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
RIP JJ
Here's a question for ya
I had a fantasy draft tonight and in the third round I wanted a receiver and was torn between Maclin and Desean. I really thought they would be close in terms of fantasy points so i figured I’d ask, who would you take?
Good answer by eaglelover1 below. I think Maclin will be much more productive if healthy, but that’s a big if right now.
Formerly DeSean10
36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green
Right now
Jackson Maclin may not play this season.
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
Desean has
314 touches, 4573 yards and 24 TD’s in 3 years… He’s a top playmaker in the NFL, pay him like a top WR rather than the top 3 playmaker he is.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
And that’s a telling stat right there. DeSean reaches the endzone every 14 touches he gets.
Formerly DeSean10
36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green
Sorry that statis not as telling
Todd Pinkston 184 recpt 14 TD = TD every 13 touches
Kevin Curtis 253 catches 20 TD= TD every 10 catches
Reggie Brown 177 catches 17 TD= TD every 10 catches
The Stats you look at for a WR are TD’s First Downs, YAC, Jackson was 29th in TD’s last season as a WR, 50th in 1st downs as a WR, and 1st in YAC. 1 out of three aint bad but, is it worth 10-12 mill a year? I know it wasn’t for Pinkston, Curtis, and Brown.
These are just Eagle WR’s that kill that stat.
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
What about Mike Vrabel?
10 catches 10 TD’s = 1 TD for every catch. Quick get Vrabel on the phone and give him a blank check that has got to be worth 20-30 mill a year right there.
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
Alright man
You have your opinion and nothing said here is gonna change it. You might as well chill about it, we all know where you stand. And were Pinkston, Brown, or Curtis EVER #1 in the league in any category? Maybe drops for Pinkston.
Formerly DeSean10
36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green
None of them ever did.
Though Pinkston and Brown both were top 5 in yards per catch during their career s in Philly.
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
Yes, but he's got at a minimum
61 more catches than these guys.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Bingo.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Why do you ignore me ;( ?
Formerly number5
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
RIP JJ
by HawaiianGreen on Aug 8, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
^ Stalker?
"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins
Mike Vick is a piece of shit
We be journalizing, son.
by JimmyK on Jul 21, 2011 7:21 PM EDT
by Talon Talent on Aug 8, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
meh….
Formerly number5
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
RIP JJ
by HawaiianGreen on Aug 8, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey
You never said anything about my new profile? You like?
Formerly number5
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
RIP JJ
by HawaiianGreen on Aug 8, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah man I like it. I thought I commented on the other thread.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
I think the most impressive thing
about Jackson is he draws the coverage; teams expect him to do big things with the ball in his hands (they study the film, they practice and plan ways to try and prevent him from getting the yardage and the touchdowns) and he’s still able to pull out those numbers.
by eagle_luv_since1988 on Aug 8, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep bingo.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
exactly, murphy cant dominate games like jackson do, the only player i know that come close to even taking over a game from the raiders
is darren mcfadden.
My mojo so dope. BITCH!
Revis's Island< Nnamdi's Nation< Jimmy Smith's EGO
Yes and McFadden to Desean is a biiiiiiiig stretch.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
please enlighten me as to any game Jackson has taken over.
I know about the MANM that punt return was awesome had me jumping and screaming and everything but that would be it. I have never seen Jackson make multiple first downs in a row, or make physically spetacular catches to bail a QB out, or even snatch an outbounds pass and toe tap inbound for a first down. The onlt thing I have seen Jackson do is make a long touchdown against SUBPAR DB’s. Dallas, Washington, Saints, Lions, and Falcons.But against teams where his AWESOMENESS really needs to put on a show ie.. Bears, Packers, Titans (avg, corners) he disappears. No big plays, no TD celebrations, no chest slap with Reid. See against a team I know the Eagles should beat I could care less if Jackson has a great game because they would win witout him. It’s the tough games I need him to show up for to warrant 10 mill a year.
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
I'm sorry.
2010:
- Detroit- 4 rec 135 yards, 1 TD. 1 rush for 5 yards.
- Jacksonville- 5 rec, 153 yards, 1 TD. 1 rush for 8 yards.
- Dallas (wk 14)- 5 rec, 210 yards, 1 TD… If this isn’t taking over a game, nothing is.
- Falcons- 1 rec for 34 yards 1 TD… 2 rushes for 44 yards 1 TD.
2009:
- Saints- 4 rec, 101 yards, 1 TD. 3 rushes for 15 yards.
- Kansas City- 6 rec, 149 yards, 1 TD.
- Redskins- 2 rec for 69 yards, 1 TD. 1 rush for 67 yards, 1 TD.
- Chicago- 8 rec for 107 yards, 1 TD. 1 rush for 10 yards.
- Giants- 6 rec for 178 yards, 1 TD.
- 49ers- 6 rec for 140 yards, 1 TD.
2008:
- Look at his 1st 2 games.
Point is, Desean takes over games, he does so pretty regularly. You just don’t see it because he does so in a different way.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
What do all those teams have in common????????
Their DB’s suck beyond all recognition.
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
.But against teams where his AWESOMENESS really needs to put on a show ie.. Bears, Packers, Titans (avg, corners) he disappears. No big plays, no TD celebrations, no chest slap with Reid
•Chicago- 8 rec for 107 yards, 1 TD. 1 rush for 10 yards.
Just to take it a step farther. In 2009, the Redskins had the 8th best pass defense, Chicago had the 13th, and the Giants the 15th.
In 2008 Dallas had the 5th best pass defense, DeSean burned them for 6 and 110 in the first match up. Basically, he has stepped up and no player consistently steps up. DeSean is our most dangerous weapon. period.
"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins
Mike Vick is a piece of shit
We be journalizing, son.
by JimmyK on Jul 21, 2011 7:21 PM EDT
by Talon Talent on Aug 10, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
NO
See: Mike Vick. Shady McCoy.
See Also on defense: Trent Cole, Asante Samuel.
Too much DeSean Jackson hype going on. He has a big play every other game and is locked out of the action the half of games. It’s an insult to Mike Vick’s amazing year to heap so much praise on Jacskon when Vick was so much more consistent.
Vick gets the ball every play
DeSean needs to be fed the ball. Comparing the 2 is just asinine.
"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins
Mike Vick is a piece of shit
We be journalizing, son.
by JimmyK on Jul 21, 2011 7:21 PM EDT
by Talon Talent on Aug 18, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
The question was:
Who is our most dangerous weapon. Amount of touches only lends support to Vick being the most dangerous weapon. Asinine, really? When you don’t understand the question, it must be asinine?
you do know the saints have some pretty good corners
i wouldnt call jabri greer and tracy porter slouches, they’re pretty good corners
My mojo so dope. BITCH!
Revis's Island< Nnamdi's Nation< Jimmy Smith's EGO
I don't know if this has been brought up yet, but....
if I remember right, all of those contracts were signed prior to the lockout. This is post lockout, and the cap is lower that pre-lockout. Also, 10 million a year, is 1/12th or 8.33% of the total money a team can spend. To compare, last year the Packers spent $160 million last year on players $10 million for that team is different from a $120 million cap.
I’m bringing it up this way because I think $8million is the new $10 million.
"If it bleeds, we can kill it" -Dutch
"Men are clinging to football on a level we aren't even aware of. For centuries, we ruled everything, and now, in the last ten minutes, there are all these incursions by women. It's our Alamo."
-Tony Kornheiser
Jackson #'s against good defense
Packers 4 catches 30 yards 0TD
Redskin a) 3 catches 19 yards 0TD
49ers 2 catches 24 yards 0TD
Giants a) 5 catches 50 yards 0TD
Bears 2catches 24 yards 0TD
Giants b) 3 catches 58 yards 0TD
Vikings 2 catches 32 yards 0TD
Packers playoffs 2 catches 47 yards 0TD
That’s 8 games with an avg. of 2.8 catches 35.5 yards 0TD’s Wow way to take over a game when the Eagles really needed your help.
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
DUDE
Enough already. We get it, you don’t think DeSean’s worth big money. That’s your opinion and you’ve defended it valiantly. I don’t think you’ve changed anyone’s mind, though, and I’m doubtful you will. And I don’t think anyone here can change your mind. All you’re doing by continuing to post this stuff is cause fights (see W_E). We had a debate already, and I don’t think it can be debated any further. Now it’s just gonna be the more strongheaded commenters trying to say you’re dumb and it’s gonna start fights. Agree to disagree?
Formerly DeSean10
36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green
I agree about the fights.
But are they caused by me posting stats to defend my point or by someone not being able to do the same to defend their point. But fights on the internet is BS. I don’t fight on the internet it gets no where. I won’t call names I will just do what I have always been doing….. stating facts and watching blood vessels pop in response.
I always liked your posts very infomative and full of stats. And like you I believe in using stats to prove a point not to change minds. I have been an Eagle fan since 75 and a member of this site for a few years now. Some of the youngster on this site could learn a thing or two about manners and respecting smeone else’s opinion regardless of you being in agreement or not. It’s a debate not an argument. Debates are healthy argument cause health problems.
So until someone shows me a reason or stat that makes Jackson indespensible to this team I will continue to debate his worth to this team.
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
They have; you have chosen to ignore them. You have the right to do so, but no one is going to buy the wise old sage act.
Also, you were the one who started the internet tough guy bs, so you’re also not going to win the moral high ground.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
Actually,....
The insults and name calling started with you and your gang leader. And neither of you have proven me wrong. The only thing you have done is ignore the actual factual stats that I have placed before that say the contrary of Jackson being a once in a lifetime football player. I am still waiting on ONE STAT OR FACT THAT WOULD MAKE ME TAKE A SECOND LOOK AT MY STANCE ON JACKSON’S WORTH TO THIS TEAM THAT NO OTHER PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE COULD.
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
Nobody’s gonna do that; nobody cares if you change your mind. We have our opinions, based on the stats we’ve shown (including those in my post) and our personal opinions. We’re not trying to change your mind, go ahead and feel the way you feel. Thanks to your argument I see your point, but respectfully disagree.
Formerly DeSean10
36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green
And when I say nobody’s gonna do that, I mean that nobody can do that, because none of the stats we’ve shown so far has caused you to take a second look — and I’m personally out of stats. I’ve exhausted my argument and you don’t buy it, so we’ll agree to disagree.
Formerly DeSean10
36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green
Can't teach dumbasses logic I guess.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Again with the insults.
Life is more than just calling name LITTLE MAN. Use intelligence to prove your point don’t try to belittle a person in to changing their mind
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
I used intelligence, apparently you didn't understand it.
Now I must pity you.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
I didn't see an intelligent argument
All I read from you was Desean is awsome. Dumbass. You are wrong old chap or whatever. You suck dumbass. Not one attempt to intelligently argue your point.
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
You can read below and look up at all the stats I posted.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
I CAN USE CAPSLOCK TOO.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Deseans Numbers against good defenses (not Cherry picked)
2010:
- Green Bay= 4 rec, 30 yards.
- Detroit= 4 catches 135 yards, 1 TD.
- Jax= 5 rec, 153 yards, 1 TD.
- Washington (which wasn’t a good defense)= 3 rec, 19 yards.
- Atlanta= 1 rec for 34 yards. 2 rushes for 44 yards and 1 TD.
- Colts= 7 rec, 109 yards, 1 TD.
- Chicago= 2 for 26 yards.
- Dallas= 4 for 210 yards and 1 TD.
- Giants= 5 for 50 yards.
- Giants (again)= 3 for 52.
That’s 10 games against good defenses with an average of 3.8 catches, 81.8 yards and .4 reception TD’s… But in order to get the whole picture you need to take his rushes which are an average of 1.4 rushes, 9.6 yards and .1 TD per game..
Point is you’re cherry picking stats to prove a dumbass idea.. I took all the good defenses on the schedule, you took a few with only his rough games.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
You took the Teams with good defenses?????? Really??????
Of the 10 teams you listed only GB and Giants are not in the top 20 in yards allowed a game last season. And the reason I use 20 teams is that Indy was exactly that. hell Cowboys Redskins and Jags were top 10.
If you read what I wrote without getting angry you would have that I said Jackson does not do well against avg or better CB’s. Weaker CB’s he kills but as the stat shows SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE.
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
You said Good defenses...
I listed the good defenses…
Don’t get pissy.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
As for nitpicking
I only took his worst 8 games out of a 17 game season (16 + 1 playoff game) So Those 8 games are literally half a season.
Louis Murphy
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
I just typed a whole reply to this with stats proving you wrong, and it got deleted. Pissed off. Anyways, that’s not true, look up the stats. He killed a number of good secondaries, including torching Rashean Mathis for 150yds, as well as playing well against Indy, NYG, Dunta Robinson, and DeAngelo Hall (whether or not you think he’s good or not is up to you).
Formerly DeSean10
36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green
Rashean Mathis is a good CB
But the Jags secondary as whole is garbage. Against the Giants last year Jackson was a combined 8 catches 108 yards 0TD and that GREAT punt return was his only score in 2 games against them. Dunta Robinson come on man I live in Houston he is garbage against the pass. And we all know Hall made his nanme in one game against T.O. while with the Eagles.
Any way dude it’s been fun man I really do enjoy a good debate.
Go Eagles
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
Oh Don't get me wrong
I think Jackson is an excellent addition to the Eagles. He is just not a top 10 WR. Maybe a top 15 playmaker. I will ask you this and then i really am done……..
If you were building a Football team right now and could pick any 4 WR’s on your team when would you pick Desean? Be honest.
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
I'd take Desean in a second.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Yes I would
Especially if we’re talking a football team, not just a WR corps. I’d probably take Megatron, Fitzgerald, Jackson, and Percy Harvin. That gives you the show-stopper in Megatron, the possession-receiver supreme in Fitz, the fastest player in the game in Jackson (plus a super returner), and a great slot receiver who can also return and play HB if needed.
Formerly DeSean10
36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green
Should read:
…and play HB if needed in Harvin.
Formerly DeSean10
36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green
He also faced
- Packer secondary (all were pretty good)
- Mathis from Jacksonville.
- DeAngelo Hall
- Nate Clemons
- Brent Grimes/Dunta Robinson.
- Finnegan
- Colts secondary which is good.
- Giants secondary which isn’t bad.
- He raped Dallas’s secondary.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Here I will do this for you.
There are 2 things about Jackson that do impress me his YPC avg. and his 1st down %. He has a high 1st % rate (70.2) But don’t read too much into that as there are 17 WR’s ahead of him with 40 or catches. Damn even when i find something great about this dude I find out it still is not special.
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
I am glad I had this debate with you.
It only allowed me to see just how special Jackson is not and that he can be replaced. I truly hope the FO does not give him top WR money.
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
You've had a flaw in your argument the entire time
And that’s the X’s and O’s – the amount that opposing defensive coordinators have to account for his big-play ability. On every play.
It can’t be measured by stats, I’ll grant you that (although, when you look at the stats, DeSean obviously adds an element no other wide out in football can lay claim to). But if you really believe that DeSean doesn’t present match-up problems for the opposing team each and every week, you just flat out do not like DeSean Jackson, and that’s your problem. Not ours.
And all this high horse crap? You’re dead wrong about it, too.
Heres an interesting stat
Since 2008 when DeSean started playing for us, Desean has been the leading receiver in the game (for either team, us or our opponents) 13 times. Out of those 13 times we have won 11 of them. I think that shows a lot of worth.
"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins
Mike Vick is a piece of shit
We be journalizing, son.
by JimmyK on Jul 21, 2011 7:21 PM EDT
Also, we’re 17-7-1 over the past 3 seasons when DeSean gets at least 4 receptions, and over the past two seasons we are 17-2 when DeSean scores.
Formerly DeSean10
36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green
by AnthroEagle on Aug 10, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I Know I said I was done but,
You do know that in the 3 season there are 48 games right. so if the Eagles are 17-7-1 when he has 4 catches or more and 17-2 when he scores a TD what has happened in the other 20 and 29 games? Considering the Eagles are 30-17-1 over the same time period Can you really say that he is the sole reason for the success of the team over that time period? The question is would/could someone else have the same success in the Eagles offense?
I need you to know I am NOT being an ass about this. But, everytime a stat is showed regarding Jackson I need you to look at the WHOLE stat as it pertains to the team. Yes Jackson has athletic ability and can beat almost any CB in the game. BUT is he worth 10 mill a year? This has been my whole argument the entire time. This is his asking price. He and Rosencreep are going to stick hard to the fact that Jackson is a top 10 WR and deserves compensation as such. I do not believe that the FO will pay this amount to him and Jackson will either finish out this contract and be franchised next year and be traded or be traded mid season.
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
by eaglelover1 on Aug 10, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
if the Eagles are 17-7-1 when he has 4 catches or more and 17-2 when he scores a TD what has happened in the other 20 and 29 games?
I thought this was self-explanatory. In these games he DID NOT make 4 catches or a TD catch. And it is a big difference, because that means we were 13-10 when he had less than four catches over the past three years, and 4-9 over the last 2 years when he doesn’t score a TD. In other words, when we get him the ball, we win. When he doesn’t get the ball, we lose. And this:
BUT is he worth 10 mill a year?
I never said he was! I said he’s worth $7.5-8.5mil per, but that one could see why he and Rosenhaus could argue $10mil based on stat comparisons. I’ve said this multiple times, I don’t understand why you keep thinking I’m saying he’s worth $10mil per. Everything you said in that second paragraph is exactly what I wrote in the FanPost and what I’ve said all along in the comments. Go back and check if you can find a place where I said “we should give DeSean $10mil because he’s worth it.” You won’t find it.
Formerly DeSean10
36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green
Since number5 brought it up on my site.
I’d just like to point out that I wrote an extremely similar piece here months ago, I have since deleted it since I reposted it (with the additions of the Rice and Holmes contracts) on my site. I deleted it because of duplicate content laws that are enforced by google. If you need proof, look no further than this comment.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2011/7/27/2299057/what-is-deseans-value#73001617
Well….
Funny story. I actually made a fan post on this a few months back.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2011/1/11/1928132/examining-deseans-and-vicks-prospective-contracts
I put the big name receivers who got extensions in 2010 together and two players who I feel have similar career trajectory at the time of extension or signing of a new contract. Brandon Marshall and Andre Johnson are going to get more than DeSean got and you can see why, they were better receivers. At the time of the contract signing I feel like Anquan Boldin, Greg Jennings and Roddy White all have similar enough numbers to DeSean to guess that his contract will be somewhere in the ball park, but two things threw a wrench into this. The first wrench thrown into the gears was DeSean Jackson as a football player rather than just as a receiver, as an all purpose football player he has about 500 yards more than the next closest receiver and his TD production when you factor in rushes and returns matches up with the TD production of Brandon Marshall and Andre Johnson. What, or I should say who, else threw a wrench into things? Jerry Jones. That monster contract he gave Miles Austin after one year of production really drove DeSean’s price up IMO. DeSean is going to look at Miles Austin’s contract, see a guy who has one year of production, was older than him and got a contract comparable to ones that Andre Johnson and Brandon Marshall received. DeSean out produced Miles by a landslide when you look at their numbers at the time they were seeking extensions.
If you figure thatDeSean’s contract will be similar to recent extensions of top receivers the figures of the deal would average out to be: 5-6 years, about 45 million dollars with about 18-21 million guaranteed.
After seeing the contracts that Holmes (5 years, 50 million, 26 guaranteed) and Rice (5 years, 41 million, 18 guaranteed) got, I think that I’m still right on track to be right.
I didn’t rip anyone off, I was well ahead of the curve on this and I’m actually offended that Number5 thought I ripped you off. I wouldn’t rip anyone off, I don’t have to.
My Eagles Blog: Iggles Nest
You can follow us on twitter. That's where I talk about the Eagles in 140 characters or less.
I hope you’re not implying that I in any way, shape, or form copied your work, either. I’m sure number5 was just being a good citizen and making sure everything was on the up and up. I have a lot of respect for you, d-jack. We’ve had our disagreements and we don’t always see eye-to-eye, but you know football much better than I do and you’re an excellent writer. If this post seemed to infringe on a previous post of your’s I can assure you that it is completely coincidental. My main point was to throw the Hester thing out there, since I hadn’t heard anyone talk about that comparison yet. I know you wouldn’t steal from me, and I’d certainly hope you know I wouldn’t steal anything from you. Plagiarism is one of my biggest pet peeves, being an historian and all.
Formerly DeSean10
36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green
I most certainly am not. Everyone is weighing in, similar posts are bound to happen and if we have similar ideas more power to us, it’s great that we think alike and that we agree on the subject. I’m not coming at you at all. I’m just defending myself.
My Eagles Blog: Iggles Nest
You can follow us on twitter. That's where I talk about the Eagles in 140 characters or less.
Didn’t think you were, just covering my bases. Everything’s cool.
Formerly DeSean10
36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green
No I should apologize
My bad d-jackfan10 and AnthroEagle, They looked similar and I posted that comment on your site without really reading it throughly. I also wasn’t implying any plagiarism, I thought that maybe AnthroEagle had joined your site. I am so sorry and I hope you guys can forgive me.
P.S. Formerly #5
Formerly number5
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
RIP JJ
by HawaiianGreen on Aug 10, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Well you will be called #5 by those who knew you as such, haha. Just like people will still call me D10, DS10, etc.
Formerly DeSean10
36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green
by AnthroEagle on Aug 10, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
How do you do
the link to your old page in your sig?
Formerly number5
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
RIP JJ
by HawaiianGreen on Aug 10, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
What I did was copied the link to my old profile and then went to a thread, wrote “DeSean10,” highlighted it, hit the link button, and pasted the link (just like you would for any other link). Then I copied and pasted the entire text, including the formatting, and pasted it to the signature box of the new profile.
Formerly DeSean10
36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green
by AnthroEagle on Aug 10, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
I’m going to shoot d-jackfan10 an email with an apology. Seriously didn’t mean to imply plagiarism on either side.
Formerly number5
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
RIP JJ
by HawaiianGreen on Aug 11, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t think you did, and I’m sure d-jack understands.
Formerly DeSean10
36-5-20-JJ -- Forever Bleeding Green
by AnthroEagle on Aug 11, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for understanding
I sent one anyway. And thanks with the linky in the sig too, help our cause of the name switch :)
Formerly number5
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
RIP JJ
by HawaiianGreen on Aug 11, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh DeSeans, #5...
Sigh
"When life hands you lemons, make a profit." - Chet Cashley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Aug 12, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Hater goin’ hate
Formerly number5
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
RIP JJ
by HawaiianGreen on Aug 12, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
$10 million per??
No way, see ya later dude. That kinda money to any non QB on this team would possibly set us back in the free agency pool in the near future. We would be handicapped trying to sign any of significance. Plus, he is one good, hard hit by a safety of LB from being damaged goods. Talent wise he may me worth it, but I don’t see him lasting over say 5 more seasons. Especially with him having a bullseye on his back now due to his arrogance on the field.Finally, with the style offense we run and the way our weapons are use, its been demonstrated that although having a legit star at WR is nice, it is not a must
I don’t think you read the whole post. I said $10mil was his fair market value, not what we should actually pay him. I said we should pay between $7.5m-$8.5m, because that’s what he should settle for to stay with this team. But if he were to hit the open market you can be sure he’d fetch that $10mil.
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