Michael Vick's Contract: Effect on the Eagles
by HawaiianGreen on Aug 30, 2011 8:10 PM EDT
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It is great that current Eagles quarterback, Michael Vick, received a 6 year 100 million dollar deal, with 36 million guaranteed. He has come full circle, working as hard as anyone could ask to be at where he is now, making the most of his second opportunity in the NFL amongst the harshest critics. Truly, one of the best rise, fall, and rise stories, maybe ever. However, this contract has major implications moving foward, impacting the team indirectly for the upcoming seasons.
Jackson is looking for a payday, and legitimately so. He has outperformed his draft status and rookie contract. He could see figures of what he's asking for or higher on a open market. That's why it's imperative to sign him before the season ends. Most thought that once Vick resigned with the Eagles, much much more cap would be available for some structure for a new deal with Jackson. However Vick's pay only drops from 16.2 to 14.4 million, roughly 2 million dollars, giving us currently around 4 million free. Of course, rosters are at 80 players currently and have to be down to 53 by September 3rd. However, camp bodies and bubble players won't free enough space up even then. The following must depart in order for a new deal to commence for Jackson:
DE Juqua Parker - $4,300,000 (current salary)
CB Joseilo Hanson - $ 2,435,000 (current salary)
T Winston Justice - $3,731,000 (current salary)
G Mike McGlynn - 1,120,500 (current salary)
Per eaglescap.com
Do all these players have to leave? No, but about two must leave in order for anything to formulate for Jackson. While Vick's new contract doesn't make it less likely for Jackson to get a new deal, it makes it much more diffcult. And the one thing the Eagles cannot allow is Jackson on a free market.
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2. The experiment: The offensive line
Success
Free Agency
If this current combo becomes a huge success with Herremans becoming one of the better RT in the game today, Watkins being a mini Herremans, and Jason Kelce becoming the second coming of Jeff Saturday. One name will become just as necessary as resigning of DeSean Jackson, Evan Mathis. He becomes the Eagles second priority and would want a nice chunk of change to go with protecting our 100 mill investment along with DeSean Jackson's pretty pennies during the 2012 off-season.
Failure
2012 Draft
Hawai'i homerism. Also, I'd be perfectly fine letting him rep #5 with the Eagles.
The idea of a drafting a quarterback in this extremely good quarterback class has basically become non-exsistant. Which is a real shame considering this might be the best QB class ever. The chances of high pick on a linebacker like Manti Te'o has also taken a major blow from this contract. Look for serious investment in another offensive linemen. Probably a RT if Herremans disappoints or LG this experiment doesn't work out.
Look for the Eagles to target some of these names:
Guards: Kelechi Osemele, David Castro, Gordry Glenn
Tackles: Matt Kalil, John Martin, Riley Reiff
In most classes, the Eagles wouldn't have a shot at these guys unless they had a high draft pick. However, with a quarterback class so good, look for these guys to fall to good teams.
3. Andy Reid
This ties Andy and Michael tight if not tighter than Andy and Donovan. With the next 6 years, the foreseeable future is with Vick, making it imperative that he can get Andy's ring with a Eagles logo on it rather than a Packers one. It may or may not make or break Andy Reid, but it will make or break the roster and foundation that Reid has created up to this point. As much as Reid has his hands on this roster, so will Vick. Any and all chances this roster has of a title is now with Vick for the next six years. It gives the team the best chance to win a Superbowl hands down, but the end of Vick's career will could very well be the end of many young players like Jackson, McCoy, etc's chances of winning one after six years, if Vick stays the whole six years. Just an interesting thought.
Thanks for reading as always.
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If anything this makes it easier to sign Desean, now that this year’s cap is lowered. Plus now we could use the franchise next year to keep him from hitting the market. Also Vick was one of the all-time most promising QB prospects out of college, so why worry about what we’re missing this year? Andy Reid is a great coach, I don’t see him losing his job unless some drastic stuff happens. He is a championship caliber coach and our FO is too smart to blame Reid if Vick fails.
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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Aug 30, 2011 9:07 PM EDT reply actions
If anything this makes it easier to sign Desean, now that this year’s cap is lowered. Plus now we could use the franchise next year to keep him from hitting the market.
Haha yeah right we use the franchise tag after Fitzgerald’s new contract. No way ANY team uses a tag on a WR for a while. And our cap hit dropped about 2 million giving us 4 million free. That won’t cover anything for Jackson, hence why we MUST drop at least two of those guys just to start negotiating with Jackson.
Also Vick was one of the all-time most promising QB prospects out of college, so why worry about what we’re missing this year?
Yeah but it be nice to get a great prospect his year and groom him for 3 years, but with a 6 year deal that isn’t happening.
Andy Reid is a great coach, I don’t see him losing his job unless some drastic stuff happens. He is a championship caliber coach and our FO is too smart to blame Reid if Vick fails.
Never said that would happen. However, the issue is that the youth and core of this team is tied with Vick. This team is really now or never for the next 6 years with Vick. But that is true with any team that has a franchise quarterback.
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RIP JJ
by HawaiianGreen on Aug 31, 2011 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Great Post HG, but I disagree with your notion that Vick’s contract precludes us from taking a QB in the upcoming draft. AR has always viewed QBs as assets. If he sees a guy who has fallen because of the depth of the draft, a guy who’s value is higher than where he is available (A QB who would normally go in the 2nd/3rd but because there are so many quality QBs available in the draft, this guy falls to the 4th/5th) then he will draft him.
VY is probably done after this year and Kafka moves up the deptth chart to backup. We are going to need a QB to develop behind him. Given Vick’s style of play, it is highly likely that Kafka will have to play at some point, even if it is just for a game or two, and if he does well, other team’s will develop interest. The league has become pretty infatuated with QBs that develop under AR. I don’t see Vick’s contract preventing us from continuing the trend of drafting guys later in the draft, developing them for a backup role and if they generate interest from other teams, trading them away for higher picks. It has worked out pretty well the last couple of years.
If we draft a quarterback with a first round pick this year
It’s a “slap” to the face of Vick. Just as McNabb was hurt when Kolb was drafted.
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RIP JJ
by HawaiianGreen on Aug 31, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought you were saying it would be ok to pick a qb in the 4th/5th if the guy has a 2nd/3rd round value. not sure what HG is thinking. i dont think that would be a slap to anyone’s face, especially if VY is gone after this year, which most of us expect to be the case.
by RogerPodacter on Sep 2, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
i thought you were saying it would be ok to pick a qb in the 4th/5th if the guy has a 2nd/3rd round value.
That is exactly what I was trying to get across. If we get to the 4th/5th round and the BPA is a QB who has dropped due to the litany of really good QBs in the draft, then we should absolutely draft him and not think twice about it.
Hahahaha
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by HawaiianGreen on Aug 31, 2011 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Michael Vick’s contract actually allows to cut him or trade him out after 2 years. Of course, if he does pan out as being an X-factor then its a good deal for us as the rest isn’t in guarantees compared to the first two years.
I’m not saying this is for sure but, don’t be surprised if VY is the next starter for us 3 seasons from now…he’s what you would call an…Andy Reid type of QB
And we will hit D-Jax with a Tag, he won’t mind.
I would be surprised
If any of that happened. No Way they Tag Jackson and pay him that kind of money. Do you really think Vince Young is gonna take what Andy taught him and stay here for pennies on the dollar?
Nice write up
I would say the Hanson is gone, I just cant see them keeping him if they dont have to because they like these younger guys to much and we all know the Eagles like to stay young.
Parker is another interesting one. We have so much depth at DE that he doesnt fit anymore. He gets cut at the final day unless they can sucker someone in fo a small trade for him also like they always do.
Desean will get 4-6 mil a yr I think and then he gets lots of play performance bonuses.
We will get this done even if it is down to the wire. He has to let his play do the talking like he said he would.
Again nice write up
Yep...
Hanson and Parker are gone…great depth players, which is why they would have some limited trade value…I think the question on DJax is just how much Drew is demanding for his services…I think the Eagles will pay a premium for a deal, but it will be heavy in playing incentives and low on guaranteed money…The Vick deal helps them a bit on the guaranteed money…and with DJax, the guaranteed money is really the key…he’s injury and concussion prone, no where near a Larry Fitz/Santonio Holmes everydown WR…but he’s special, so he ain’t exactly a Josh Cribbs burner specialist either…top 10 WR, but not top 5 in money, I would say…
I bet the Bears wish they could take back that Hester contract in this new economic reality…
---AstrosFan (Austin Lawyer and Sports Fan)
Very good write up man. I'll go in order.
1. Desean Jackson will stay here, if all else fails they’ll franchise him after this season since we don’t really have anybody leaving and honestly he’ll deserve it. This will allow us to work and get him a new deal into next season.
2. Offensive line (long)… The combo of Peters-Mathis-Kelce-Watkins-Herremans is going to be exciting to me. Peters is rock solid so we’ll move on from talking about him. Mathis however is a pretty damn good pass blocker and an above average run blocker, he’s not up to Herremans level but to be honest with the limited wear and tear on his body he could make a jump rather quickly to being a very good OLmen, Mathis and Peters also have the potential to form a similar thing to what Herremans and Peters had… Now to Kelce, he’s able to do what Mudd NEEDS out of his center, where as Jackson simply isn’t, I’m talking about getting to the 2nd and 3rd levels of the defense and making big blocks out in space, Jackson just struggles getting to the 2nd level, so in my book Kelce has outplayed Jackson and although the rookie mistakes will drive us crazy from time to time it’s what is better for the team in the long-term.. Watkins is going to be a stud, he and Herremans worked out together since he was drafted, I think putting the two of them together on the line will not only help Watkins develop but they’re also essentially the same player, they can form what Herremans and Peters had on the left side but I think between Watkins and Herremans it can be something great… Now Herremans at RT is going to be rough at first, I’m expecting the worst and hoping for the best and my version of the worst is that he struggles mightily but ends up being as solid as Winston Justice.
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What I think worries people about Kelce
I don’t think Kelce is going to go downfield on a pass play, unless it’s some sort of a screen or checkdown. So his ability to go to the 2nd or 3rd level is mainly going to be useful for run plays.
But that does no good if (and THIS is what I think people are worried about) the 1st level players (opposing DE/DT/NT’s) get through the line to begin with, therefore ending the play early. And since a pass play usually takes more time to get started than a run play does (drop back, go through your progression, aim and throw as opposed to hand off or pitch out) that means the opposing front line has more chance to get through… and therefore get Vick sacked and possibly hurt. Also, if nobody is open, or he feels like he’s in danger, Vick might take off and face the risk of some punishing hits. Not sure to what extent Mudd is thinking about that scenario (is he thinking Kelce is more able to keep up with and block for a running Vick?)
So people’s fear seems to me to be that Kelce will make some mistake that ends the play early and makes the threat of “Vick getting killed” more likely and the reasoning behind preferring Jackson is that as a veteran, he’s less likely to make those mistakes and more likely to keep the play alive.
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I don’t think Kelce is going to go downfield on a pass play, unless it’s some sort of a screen or checkdown. So his ability to go to the 2nd or 3rd level is mainly going to be useful for run plays
Do you realize the screen game is a very very large chunk of our game? Has been for years. Also Kelce’s pass blocking isn’t that bad, he had 2 mistakes and everybody’s making the world of it.
But that does no good if (and THIS is what I think people are worried about) the 1st level players (opposing DE/DT/NT’s) get through the line to begin with, therefore ending the play early. And since a pass play usually takes more time to get started than a run play does (drop back, go through your progression, aim and throw as opposed to hand off or pitch out) that means the opposing front line has more chance to get through… and therefore get Vick sacked and possibly hurt. Also, if nobody is open, or he feels like he’s in danger, Vick might take off and face the risk of some punishing hits. Not sure to what extent Mudd is thinking about that scenario (is he thinking Kelce is more able to keep up with and block for a running Vick?
Yes but like I said, everybody’s flipping out over the bad Kelce did, he had mistakes yes, but for the most part Kelce has done his part to keep Vick clean.
I have nothing against Jackson, I just don’t see why everybody is freaking out over Kelce, he seriously had 3-4 bad plays this entire preseason.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
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Not really disagreeing with you, just analyzing the arguments
Screens – well, yes, but they tend to go to the outside, so away from the center. I’d expect tackles to have more of a role in blocking after the catch.
As to Jackson – I think people feel more comfortable with a vet in there. I’m not sure if what freaks people out is Kelce, the fact that he’s a rookie, or mostly the idea of two rookies next to each other. The level of freak-out over McGlynn last year was there, but definitely not quite as high. Although if Jackson had been soliidly healthy and McGlynn had been preferred…
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Screens – well, yes, but they tend to go to the outside, so away from the center. I’d expect tackles to have more of a role in blocking after the catch.
you would think that but last season which two guys did you see leading the charge for blocks in the screen game? Because it was always McGlynn and Herremans out there in front, the same can be said about Kelce so far also.
As to Jackson – I think people feel more comfortable with a vet in there. I’m not sure if what freaks people out is Kelce, the fact that he’s a rookie, or mostly the idea of two rookies next to each other. The level of freak-out over McGlynn last year was there, but definitely not quite as high. Although if Jackson had been soliidly healthy and McGlynn had been preferred…
I just don’t understand the freak outs… I don’t know outside of those 2 bad calls in the Browns games what Kelce did, he undoubtedly learned from it and I’m sure come week 10 nobody’s going to be worrying.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
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Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
If it takes until week 10...
A lot of people are going to be remembering that last year Vick got hurt in Week 4.
I see your point, but I can’t avoid seeing some truth in theirs too.
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It'll be before week 10, we don't really face elite interior DLmen till after our bye week.
I think our hardest game as far as interior linemen will be Atlanta and the LOLskins.
And I see their points, but JJ doesn’t get what we need done.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
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Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
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