Bye, _____ :(
Aggressive: 1. militantly forward or menacing. 2. making an all out effort to win or succeed; competitive. 3. vigorously energetic, especially in the use of initiative and forcefulness. 4. boldly assertive and pushy. 5. emphasizing maximum growth and capital gains over quality, security, and income.
They should also put a picture of Howie Roseman in the dictionary. When the Eagles FO announced that they were going to be "aggressive" at the start of free agency, most Eagles fans expected the usual signing of talent rookie free agents and a couple of solid players with a injury history. However, these past few days have been filled with surprise and cunning by our front office and in particular Howie Roseman. The signing of Jason Babin and the trading of Kolb were mere warm ups for the Eagles, as they began to bait for much bigger fish, accumulating in Nnamdi Asomugha, Cullen Jenkins, and Vince Young. And as Howie and Joe have been reeling in their prized fish, one thought scares Eagles fans. What about Desean Jackson and Michael Vick? Both key players needed for any success for the Eagles. The later is currently of a franchise tag that is valued close to 16 million and wants a long term deal with the team that revitalized his image and career. Jackson may not be a "top 5 receiver", but he is a big time receiver and the most dangerous player in the NFL today. Jackson is looking for a big time deal that is equal to his play and while he most certainly deserves it. The question becomes where is he valued compared to more traditional receivers in the NFL? Does he deserve a deal equal to Andre Johnson when he catches less than 50 balls a season? Does he make just as big a impact as Johnson? A deal the Eagles should consider giving Jackson is Jet receiver Santonio Holmes, who received a big payday during free agency.
Holmes' deal lasts five years, paying around 10 million per year and guarantee's 24 million of the 50 million. Both have similar vertical playing styles and both are big time play makers. Giving a deal as such would give Desean the deal that he is asking for and deserves. But the question becomes how do the Eagles accomplish this? Currently as of August 2nd, the Eagles have $3,819,925 to spare according to http://www.eaglescap.com/current.html. In order to do so, we will see many vets both new and old leave the Eagles for the next two years. Here are the names to consider over these next two years when JimmyK is writing his Bye articles. Note: This doesn't mean I want them gone, it means that their contracts could dictate them leaving.
Bye, Celek :(
Brent Celek is one of Andy's multitude of young weapons for this Eagles offense at the age of 26. However, Celek hasn't made a big impression 4 out of the 5 seasons with the Eagles. Other than his explosive 2009 season, Celek has only had 85 catches, 1,007 yards, and 6 TD's in these short four years. Also, in 2009 a rapport with Kevin Kolb and Donovan McNabb was formed and both quarterbacks are no longer with the Eagles. Celek has trouble with securing catches and isn't an amazing blocker. Vick and Celek seem to not have a similar rapport as Kolb and McNabb did with him. The Eagles have brought in heavy competition this year including vets Clay Harbor, an athletic pass catching TE, and Cornelius Ingram, a athletic pass catching TE that hasn't lived up to his college hype; As well as newcomers veteran Donald Lee, rookie Martell Webb, and rookie John Nalbone. Celek contract is hefty considering his production, he is scheduled to make over 2 million in cap value his season. While that doesn't seem like much, we could see Celek go because of cap value of over 3 million in 2012, over 4 million in 2013/2014/2015, and 5 million in 2016. He becomes increasingly easy to cut in 2012 and after with a hit of around 2 million in 2012, around 1 million in 2013, and no hit from 2014-2016. He could easily be traded to many TE needed teams or cut shortly unless big time production arises.
Bye, Winston :)
Andy's and the Eagles expectations of Justice have been sorely disappointed over his 6 seasons with the Eagles. He was intended to play LT coming out of college, allowing many sacks when he was put into action his rookie year. He lost his starting opportunity till RT Shawn Andrews was lost for the season. During 2009, he played extremely well and was one of our more consistent offensive linemen. However, in 2010 regressed back after Vick was named the starter and Justice became his blind side blocker. Along with playing poorly, he suffered a knee injury that cost his playing time is the Green Bay playoff game, which he wasn't doing so well in. His backup King Dunlap proved to be a quality backup, playing well enough to keep Vick protected. Now with recently acquired Ryan Harris, he is looking at being a backup again unless an injury occurs. Until then Justice doesn't deserve his hefty contract, which will be a cap value of over 3 million this season and grows to over 4.5 million in 2013. Justice becomes very easy to cut next season and with a cap hit of just under 2 million. If Harris becomes a big time player with the Eagles, it seals Justices fate with the Eagles.
Bye, Mike :)
7 seasons with the Philadelphia Eagles have accumulated in 13 sacks for Mike Patterson. And no, he wasn't a 5th, 6th, 7th, or undrafted player. He was the Eagles 1st round pick in 2005. "But the Eagles ran a two gap system, it didn't allow him to show off his pass rushing talent that he had." While that may be true, the Eagles took both him and former Eagle Brodrick Bunkley off the field on 3rd downs and passing downs. If he was so talented, they why? And now with a newly installed 1 gap system how is he supposed to make an impact? As well as Antoino Dixon outperforming his undrafted status and Trevor Laws finally blossoming, the Eagles sign veteran Cullen Jenkins who is known for his pass rushing abilities. Jenkins was able to acquire 7 sacks last season. Not only is that hard for mist interior pass rushers, but he didn't play the full season and was in a 3-4 scheme that isn't conducive for the down linemen to get sacks. His contract numbers are as big as his belly; his cap value is over 3 million this season and continuously grows to over 6 million in 2016. The good news is he is very cheap to cut, the most expensive would be cutting him this year which is slightly over 1 million and can be no cap hit if the Eagles decide to cut him in 2013.
Bye, Jaqua :)
Parker is an obvious candidate and will likely not make the 53 man roster this season. He is 33 years old and is usually a too old under Andy's regime. Parker is very inconsistent, usually performing extremely well in the first three games of the season with 3-5 sacks and disappears completely for the rest of the season. To worsen his chances are young pass rushers like Darryl Tapp, Daniel Te'o-neshiem, Ricky Sapp, Philip Hunt, and Victor Abiarmiri. The Eagles yearly add new faces to the DL group and Parker's production can easily be replaced and gives a valuable roster spot to another player. Jaqua is on the last year of his deal, however over 4 million is not worth his production. The Eagles can save tons of money and cut him right now for $800,000.
Bye, Darryl :(
I find this a very interesting possibility. Because of all the young talent we bring in on the defensive line, a big year by Te'o or Sapp could really hurt his possibility of being an Eagle moving forward. He played well with the Eagles last year by making much needed plays rather than big time numbers and was a valuable rotation guy. However if Te'o and/or Sapp mature as players it makes it increasingly difficult to keep both Darryl Tapp and Jason Babin. Tapp makes over 3 million next season and could be cut for 1 million flat. If Babin proves to be more than a one year wonder with Jim Washburn as coach we could see Tapp go.
Bye, Joselio Hanson :(
He was not worth is contract extension in 2009, however he is one of the better slot corners in the league. Hanson could be the odd man out in Philly's All Pro secondary. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie's and Nnamdi Asomugha's addition would push Hanson back to the fourth corner, however with many teams using 4-5 WR in offensive sets, he could really flourish if it weren't for two major factors. The first being the young prospects on the team: Tevard Lindley, Curtis Marsh, Gerald Lawson, and Jorrick Calvin. While Lawson and Calvin are long shots to make the roster, it's doubtful that the Eagles keep 6 CB's. Lindley proved his potential last year and its also doubtful the Eagles part with Marsh so soon, leaving Hanson the short stick. The second being his contract, given to him in 2009 as a 15 million contract extension after good play and the hope that he'd continue his play to the outside. His cap value is $2,235,000 this season, $3,255,000 in 2012, and $3,655,000 in 2013. It would cost the Eagles over 1 million in dead cash to cut him this year, but would be cheap in 2012 (950,000) and 2013 (455,000). He'd be a huge asset for the Eagles, however it's a question of how much room do the Eagles have.
Bye, Asante :,(
The Eagles should not let Asante Samuel go this season. Besides the fact that we currently have the best cornerback tandem in the history of the NFL with all three, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie is not ready to take over completely for Samuel. Currently Asante is better than Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and will be for quite a while. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie suffers in tackling and is in-superior in off coverage and attacking the football for a inteception. Asante is the best arguably the best in the league in off coverage and baiting quarterbacks into INT's. Although he accounts for a majority of the Eagles cap, the Eagles won't flat out cut him this season or the next three seasons. The only way Samuel leaves a Midnight Green uniform is if the Eagles are wearing Kelly Green or the Eagles receive fair compensation via trade, which would be more than a 1st.
With the multiide of signings, it will be interesting to see if the Eagles can be cap savy as they once where. And let's not forget that Desean isn't the only Eagle that will need a deal fairly shortly. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Jeremy Maclin, and Lesean McCoy will all need to be resign very soon as well. Hopefully, if any Eagles leave, I can write a Bye, _____ :).
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Celek, Tapp and Samuel aren’t going anywhere.
Mike Patterson, Juqua Parker and Joselio Hanson might as well start saying their goodbyes.
by d-jackfan10 on Aug 3, 2011 2:35 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I not saying they are gone, but their contracts make their situations interesting
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
"Or if the rest of the defense if even decent then
our two Rookie safety’s don’t have to go all Ed Reed-Palamolu-Dawkins-super sayan badass mode to help us win." - W_E
Sending pics of your junk > dog killing > generally being a douche > sexual assault allegations > being on the Cowboys.
Send Rodgers-Cromartie to the Giants for Osi...
;)
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 3, 2011 3:06 AM EDT reply actions
I would love it.
I want to keep Asante oppostie Nnamdi and Osi is one of maybe 3 Giants I really like.
Move him to OLB.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 3, 2011 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions
You're probably right.
Just a crazy idea.
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 3, 2011 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions
You really like Osi, you say?
You wouldn’t happen to be a fan of My Chemical Romance or Panic! At The Disco also, would you?
Huh?
Lol, I think I’m missing something here.
Either you think I’m someone I’m not, or there’s some weird emo band named Osi?
by vincecarter4pres on Aug 3, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
You're an idiot.
"it's like i tell my ex-wife, i never drive faster than i can see, and besides it's all in the reflexes." -Jack Burton, Big trouble in little China
I'd have to think that Parker and Hanson are gone before the season starts.
Samuel, unless there’s a ludicrous offer on the table that the Eagles would be stupid not to accept, he’ll be around for one more year, at least.
Tapp, surely he sticks around for the time being, right? He is pretty cheap, and he did well last year when he got on the field.
Patterson, he does make for an interesting case. I doubt he gets cut this year, considering that the Eagles have already shipped Bunkley out of town, but next year, it could be a likely possibility.
Justice, quite honestly, once the Eagles signed Harris, I’ve come to the conclusion that Justice won’t be around for much longer. Just my opinion, but we’ll see if Justice comes back with a chip on his shoulder and plays to form. That said, it seems likely that he’ll be gone by next year at least, also.
Celek, unlikely this year and the next, but after that, it becomes entirely dependent on how Celek has progressed.
And on an off-note, anyone getting the feeling that the team has become sort of a “proving grounds” for a good portion of the FA signings coming in? Players like Young, Jenkins, Babin, Harris, Mathis, Brown, Page, Lee, and Higgins; they all seem to have something to prove, does it not?
I think Jenkins stays long term
Its Babin vs Tapp and Harris vs Justice. I love the Page pick up and he’ll beat out Marlin Jackson. Brown I think will have a good year and leave. Higgins and Lee don’t stick around for the season.
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
"Or if the rest of the defense if even decent then
our two Rookie safety’s don’t have to go all Ed Reed-Palamolu-Dawkins-super sayan badass mode to help us win." - W_E
Sending pics of your junk > dog killing > generally being a douche > sexual assault allegations > being on the Cowboys.
Jenkins sticks if his "tryout" with the Eagles goes well.
I’d have to think that Babin and Tapp both make the team this year, while Harris makes the team while Justice could possibly get released. Page will likely beat out Jackson, considering that early TC reports on Jackson indicate nothing favorable. I could see Brown following the Harrison route, and I agree, Higgins and Lee will probably be long shots to make the team.
Jenkins seems like a rental...
The contract is set up perfectly for both parties…Cullen can test the market in a year if he’s ok but doesn’t fit our scheme as well, and we can get rid of him if we deem him unworthy of 4 million a year. I think Celek was an average starter last year, which I don’t see as a problem as long as he’s in the top 10-12 tight ends, we dont have problems, I think he’ll be more prominent now that we run two tight ends more. Hanson should put his house up for sale now, same with Jaqua…I’d be surprised if they made it to the end of week. Hanson will get traded for a 6th to the Lions or Panthers, and Juqua will get cut and go to a team like Arizona (OLB) or Minnesota (familiar with Leslie Frazier, replacement to Ray Edwards).
Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"
I dont understand the Parker Dislike
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"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger.
-Glen Cook The Black Company
It's not really dislike.
I mean, I think he’s been a good player for the Eagles over the years, but he is 33 years old (that would make him the oldest Eagle on the team, I think, since David Akers is no longer with the team as well), and he’s got the kind of contract that would make him a viable option to cut from the team.
Its more the
:) after the bye on it that makes me feel like there is a dislike. I believe he gone too. he is expendable but I dont see how that is a happy thing. if anything it should be indifferent maybe im reading to far into it
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"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger.
-Glen Cook The Black Company
2 great plays ......
that always come 2 mind with Parker are the Bradshaw stop for a loss in the playoffs and the pick 6 2 seal the deal at Frisco i beleive it was.
He wears down as the season goes on (as everyone does, but to a greater extent). He seems to play great when playing in a rotation / not being the starter, though. Since we are supposed to have more of a DE rotation this year, and we don’t have to play Juqua as a starter, I think he can be more effective than he has been.
"Asomugha was only targeted 31 times in 14 games last season. Samuel: 36 times in 11 games."
#Winning
by PhiladelphiaEagles on Aug 3, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Parker is too easily expendable at his cap number to stay
Joselio is a fringe, because while his cap number may be large, he’s a really good nickelback. It’s never bad to have quality players as backups as long as the team can afford them.
Abiamiri is another legitimate cut option. I won’t miss his 4 sacks in 29 games (and four seasons) at all, especially considering the depth of the defensive line and the 53-man roster altogether.
Part of the
With Joselio is that he is a good nickelback but we have A LOT of talent back there and I think it makes him more expendable.
Franchise tag for Desean Jackson?
I’m starting to wonder if the Eagles will make Jackson play this year under his current contract, and then use the franchise tag on him next year. This approach would reduce their need to cut players now. It would postpone the (always risky) decision to invest big bucks in a player. It might even reduce the long-term costs of keeping him on the team. Sorry Desean.
If they make him play under his current contract would be play well? Would he go all Randy Moss on us and just give up on plays? I know that this would hurt him in the long run, but it’s something I could see him doing anyways.
Fly Eagles Fly, on the road to Vicktory!
by KeepSwinging on Aug 3, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
This
Is a great point and very concerning to me.
Especially with Maclin recovering from illness.. WIll he be in football shape by regular season?
Does Celek pick up the slack and start making big plays again a la MM2?
Avant is solid, but what about Riley Cooper? I like Cooper a ton, I see tons of potential, does he up his game this year?
So many questions revolving around this otherwise solid line-up of WR’s…
by It's_my_VICK_in_a_box! on Aug 3, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought this was a FP about you changing your name
:(
"I'm 95% sure that 100% of what he says is wrong."
nah not yet, when mcnabb retires
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
"Or if the rest of the defense if even decent then
our two Rookie safety’s don’t have to go all Ed Reed-Palamolu-Dawkins-super sayan badass mode to help us win." - W_E
Sending pics of your junk > dog killing > generally being a douche > sexual assault allegations > being on the Cowboys.
Vick new contract
People keep forgetting that if we resign Vick that his cap number wouldnt be the 15 mil it is this year.
No way.. Celek, Tapp and Samuel are going anywhere this year.
Celek’s blocking improved quite a bit last season and it was how he was used.
Tapp’s perfect for this system, and Washburn runs a rotation, meaning Tapp will play a lot.
Samuel.. we need the DNA.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Note: This doesn’t mean I want them gone, it means that their contracts could dictate them leaving.
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
"Or if the rest of the defense if even decent then
our two Rookie safety’s don’t have to go all Ed Reed-Palamolu-Dawkins-super sayan badass mode to help us win." - W_E
Sending pics of your junk > dog killing > generally being a douche > sexual assault allegations > being on the Cowboys.
Ahh my bad..
I think Tapp’s going to be as good as babin this season.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Nice post #5
Btw ur beginning is my signiture just saying.
But on to the real stuff. I think Justice, Hanson and Parker are already packing their bags. Justice needs to be great to stay. Hanson is gone unless Samuel is traded and Parker is gone. Too many better DEs.
Celek: This is interesting to me. I think it will have more to do with the production seen from Clay or Ingram than Celek’s contract. I think unless one of the 2 show serious potential Celek wont be let go.
Samuel: Another questionable one. If the right offer comes up I say go for it.. But that means a top LB (Willis or Beason or someone close to them) needs to be included. Those deals probably wont happen so I say keep him.
Tapp: He has little value right now and maybe its just me but I think Tapp has a big year. Wouldnt be surprised if he was our “breakout” player.
AKA Detective Electric
"You got Lasik: NY Giants edition."-Udalango
"Definition of Explosive: The ability to score from anywhere, any position, at any point, at any time. In that case, the Eagles are the most explosive team in the NFL."- Big Blue Intervention
Ag-gres-sive: 1. Ready or likely to attack or confront; characterized by or resulting from aggression; 2. Pursuing one's aims and interests forcefully, sometimes unduly so; 3. THE EAGLES FRONT OFFICE
But what if Babin repeats his performance?
We’ll keep Graham and Te’o (too early to part with a 3rd), but who would leave? I think by this time next year either Babin or Tapp won’t be an Eagle.
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
"Or if the rest of the defense if even decent then
our two Rookie safety’s don’t have to go all Ed Reed-Palamolu-Dawkins-super sayan badass mode to help us win." - W_E
Sending pics of your junk > dog killing > generally being a douche > sexual assault allegations > being on the Cowboys.
thats why Im saying Parker is gone.
Te’o also could be a breakout guy from what I have heard about camp he is playing great
AKA Detective Electric
"You got Lasik: NY Giants edition."-Udalango
"Definition of Explosive: The ability to score from anywhere, any position, at any point, at any time. In that case, the Eagles are the most explosive team in the NFL."- Big Blue Intervention
Ag-gres-sive: 1. Ready or likely to attack or confront; characterized by or resulting from aggression; 2. Pursuing one's aims and interests forcefully, sometimes unduly so; 3. THE EAGLES FRONT OFFICE
by Mr.electric10 on Aug 3, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Love it. Very Interesting
"When someone is playing at the level Michael Vick is playing, you have to give him an opportunity," Reid said. "This isn't about Kevin Kolb's play. You're talking about Michael Vick as one the best quarterbacks in the NFL right now."

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