Poll: Move Todd Herremans to RT?
by JimmyK on Aug 24, 2011 11:35 AM EDT
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PrintI just finished reading through Reuben Frank's 25 random points about the Eagles. It's a good read, but I'd like to focus on his second point:
2) Somebody is going to have to convince me that the Eagles’ best offensive line isn’t (left to right): Jason Peters Evan Mathis -> Jamaal Jackson -> Danny Watkins -> Todd Herremans.
The Peters-Herremans duo on that left side is an absolute force, but at the same time, I'm terrified of the Eagles' current uncertainty at RT. Ryan Harris is hurt (which is no different than his history in Denver). Winston Justice is on the PUP list, and we all remember his struggles down the stretch last season. King Dunlap, while better than we all thought, is still King Dunlap. Evan Mathis can play some RT, but I'm not exactly thrilled about the prospect of a guy that has been an Eagle for less than a month (and is better suited to play guard) protecting Michael Vick's blindside next to a rookie. And then, the Eagles go out and sign Reggie Wells? Huh? What's going on here?
Ignoring the side debate of "Jackson vs Kelce," is Frank right about moving Herremans to the right side? Would you sacrifice the Eagles' elite left side of the line for some more peace of mind at right tackle?
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Mathis is a really good player, but I like Herremans much more as a guard and I’ve had faith in Dunlap for awhile now.
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by Euler.is.a.Pimp on Aug 24, 2011 11:36 AM EDT reply actions
That left side can be dominant
And I would hate to see that broken up, but it’s the best option. Unless they come up with better option, herreman’s to RT makes the most sense. I’ll sacrifice a dominant left side, for an overall stable line.
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by Jason-E on Aug 24, 2011 11:40 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think we need to see Dunlap
Lineup again at RT before we can make this vote….
Herremans is good but who knwos how well he would do or how long it would take him to get the RT position down….. Im not convinced…..yet…..
Keep in mind that most great DE still lineup on the left….
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I’d want to see Herremans at Tackle, but I still voted for the first option.
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by EagleGreeninMD on Aug 24, 2011 11:43 AM EDT reply actions
Is there an "undecided" button?
Like to see King in one more preseason and a few more weeks w/ Mudd.
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I would like to try out the king or justice first. Herreman is a last resort move . IMO
by Saidrick on Aug 24, 2011 11:45 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
perhaps to fix what was the achilles heel of the O last season.
to keep unblocked blitzers from clobbering Vick from his blind side over and over again like in the Vikings, 2nd Giants and Packers games?
Funny stuff is they all blitzed from the left side to avoid him scrambling.
by Anders Jensen on Aug 24, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d be willing to try it if it was a natural progression for Herremans.
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by begforme4484 on Aug 24, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Unblocked blitzers...
..are a function of the offensive lineman that makes the protection calls. Last year, unblocked blitzers falls on none other than Mike McGlynn…however, you expect that with a rookie low round pick starting.
This year, as I’ve read it, Vick makes the protection calls for the OLine which can then be corrected for the final time by Jamaal Jackson, who I firmly expect to be the starter Week 1. Don’t get caught up in the Kelce hype…they really want to see how far along he is for a few reasons, but none of them are for him to be the starting center Week 1. They want to see if he is as good against starters as he is against backups so they know whether or not to keep McGlynn who right now is the third center (which doesn’t exist) and is falling far at guard. In other words, I don’t expect him to make the team. Kelce is our long term answer…maybe even as soon as next season. But expect him only to start if Jackson gets hurt.
I said all that to say that if you think unblocked blitzers were the achilles heel, the problem is already fixed and it had nothing to do with the right tackle.
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tough
i like the left side of the line. but if we dont protecct vick were not gonna go far. im hoping dunlap/harris proves something. i hope harris gets healthy, and if not maybe dunlap has a breakthrough season
I expect Harris...
…to be the starter as soon as he’s healthy. I haven’t seen enough, but word is he is an underrated RT. With Justice on the PUP, we have a backup answer that isn’t named Dunlap.
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Peters for RT
Justice/Dunlap to fight for LT. Why is our best tackle not protecting Vick’s blind side? It’s not like Peters spent most of his career at LT.
yeah..
ive actually wondered why no one has ever mentioned that. why not flip the line completely? i mean haha i played tackle in like middle school…and i dont think it matters too much if its on the right or left
by griffeagles on Aug 24, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
All due respect...
..it matters a lot more against professional athletes the that are bigger than a Mini Cooper but just as quick as it did against a lot of people that probably ended up playing intramural sports in high school.
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Like I said above, most of the best DEs still lineup on the left… Peters aint movin…
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by BWestFactor on Aug 24, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I second what BWest said.
No matter what, LT is still the most important position because the opponent’s best pass rusher lines up over him 95% of the time.
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It’s a little late in the game to throw a guy into a position that he’s not used to. We’d be giving up a great strength for a big question mark.
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He was an undrafted TE
who moved to RT before playing LT. Not unfamiliar.
To possibly...
…see that Herremans can’t cut it at RT anymore and then end up with TWO holes.
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That is my point/concern….
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by BWestFactor on Aug 24, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
patience
Harris is better now from what i hear,and KingD was one of the only bright spots againsts the steelers. THE STEELERS STARTERS. No reason to blow things up waaaaaaay early.
Start King and or Harris and rotate, then add Justice to the mix when health
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by Spurs Yoda on Aug 24, 2011 11:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
KIng and Justice have shown flashes of greatness….they really have…
Their problem is consistency…..
Here’s a thought…maybe if they would stop playing RT carousel one of them could actually gel with the rest for once…
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by BWestFactor on Aug 24, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
How about shutting down John Abraham?
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by Ed Van Chimp on Aug 24, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't mess with what ain't broke...
Even though the right side of the line has more cracks than a drug dealer…
by EaglesForever20 on Aug 24, 2011 12:07 PM EDT reply actions
Try out Watkins at RT
And then have Mathis/Jamaal/McGlynn (if he still has a locker next week) and anyone else not named Wells battle for the RG spot?
Could work. Could be disastrous. But it’s an alternative
I thought Wells played adequately in his limited action last year. Not sure why he didn’t get more time.
by 92-74-99-96 on Aug 24, 2011 12:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Are we saying that Herremans
has the same play at RT?
thats a tough call.
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It's a tough argument
But a valid point. My question is why are the Eagles not even considering Herremans over there? If they are considering him, he hasn’t taken any reps. The fact that they re-signed Wells just leaves too many questions unanswered, and my head now hurts from scratching it
I’m going to leave it as it is. I’m trusting Mudd and relying on Shady running left to salt away games.
by 92-74-99-96 on Aug 24, 2011 12:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
What evidence is there that MakeHerrsYours would be any better at LT?
If he’s not, then you’ve downgraded two positions.
Doesn’t make sense.
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by MayIhave10,000marblesplease? on Aug 24, 2011 12:23 PM EDT reply actions
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by MayIhave10,000marblesplease? on Aug 24, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The Queen is definitely not the answer.
And an injured Philips is better than Justice. The right side will be weak, but possibly servicable.
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I meant Phillips as in Wilson Phillips
The one in the middle has the size we’re looking for.
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Why?
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It may be that someone gets cut and can come in a do a decent job. I know that may be some wishful thinking, since not too many teams are cutting loose starting level tackles in a passing offense. But who knows?
God how the mighty have fallen. A few weeks ago, people were falling all over Harris as the savior and how he made our line a major strength. Now he’s going to see a back specialist and he may not even make the team.
the pros and cons of a dominant left side
it makes sense, of course, to want one side of the line to be dominant, but Vick’s mobility should allow the Eagles to focus on creating the best overall offensive line, regardless of which side is strongest. if you remember last year towards the end of the season, the bears and giants effectively (except the 4th quarter for the giants) blitzed the left side and forced vick to scramble to his right, making any throws across his body rather difficult. on one hand, an elite left side would pick up those blitzes better and let vick stay in the pocket longer…but on the other hand, a rookie and/or unproven veteran on the right side (blindside) could be a recipe for disaster. overall, moving herremans across to the right may end up creating the most consistent o-line alignment, but i suspect they’ll see how the right side does in the regular season, as it is now, before shaking anything up, with the hopes that the left side can remain elite and the right side becomes reliable and/or a pleasant surprise. if vick is taking a lot of hits from his right, expect to see some changes.
Crazy Idea...
LT: Herremans
LG: Wells/ McGylnn
C: Jackson/Kelce
RG: Watkins
RT: Peters
Of course, that could never be done now, but in Madden it would be pretty decent lol
Our best line is going to depend on if Harris can be healthy for a full 16 weeks, and play at RT..
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The best pass rushers get put at RDE or ROLB. Peters is a dominant LT. You don’t take a guy who can man-handle the best DEs-OLBs in the league to right side.
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by Jason-E on Aug 24, 2011 1:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You do ehen you have a lefty QB
When Vick can see pressure coming, he will avoid it. Can’t escape what you can’t see
Rumble, young man, RUMBLE!
But enough of that stupid idea. lol
While we are at it, let’s put Vick at wide receiver…i mean, with his speed, why not have him in a position to get the ball in space?
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McNabb could.
Love him or hate him, McNabb consistently stepped out of the way of people coming right for him from his blind side when there was no way he could have seen them. In that respect, McNabb was uncanny. He was incredibly hard to sack.
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I can’t endorse an O line with King protecting Vick’s blindside, even though I’d rather keep the Toddfather at LG next to Peters.
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by jbernat17 on Aug 24, 2011 1:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
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by jbernat17 on Aug 24, 2011 1:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I can’t endorse an O line with King protecting Vick’s blindside, even though I’d rather have the Toddfather playing LG next to Peters than RT. I just can’t trust King to keep Vick alive
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by jbernat17 on Aug 24, 2011 1:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
LOL
Why do you (the diarist) think you know more about this then Mudd? It makes no sense. I think his record speaks for itself as far as fielding a competent line.
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wouldn’t that be someone who has the shits?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Aug 24, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you trying to be cute
by calling this blog a diary?
gross
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by Ralf E Chubbs on Aug 24, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends on how long it is going to take for Justice and/or Harris to get healthy
If Justice and Harris were both looking at being out long term, then moving Herremans to RT and Mathis to LG would be ideal, had we made the decision day 1. We didn’t.
Part of the reason that the right side of the OL looked so bad last year was that there was someone different playing RG almost every week, preventing Justice from developing a rapport with the same guy.
These guys need to have a comfort level with who they are playing next to. Justice (could start practicing next week, meaning a return early in the season) and/or Harris (back spasms could go away quickly or could linger all year, so he is a question mark right now) could conceivably be back in a few weeks and then they slide into RT. In the meantime, Dunlap should be sufficient.
Also keep in mind...
That Vick is most effective when scrambling to the left. Seems to me that having that side of the line secure is a good thing.
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Whaaaaa?!???
Other than when he scored his two TD’s how much has Todd lined up as Tackle? Now maybe he had extensive Tackle training at Saginaw Valley College, but does he even know how to play the position? The season is just a few weeks off. I vote no unless someone can tell me that he knows the position well enough to be effective week one.
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He filled in at LT his rookie year.
Did pretty good.
Well shit,
If you are gonna do it, better try it in pre-season than during a real game – and you have to be sure that what you have now simply will not work. This is not a minor undertaking – Not only would Todzilla have to get his job down, the guys who you switch around him have to get their jobs down, too. That’s a lot of change for the line to digest in a small amount of TIME.
Yes, I suppose it would be do-able, but it would definitely be an non-trivial event.
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I’d only move him if there was absolutely nothing at RT. While there is still a chance of King being adequate and one of the other two being healthy I’d rather keep the chemistry and talent intact on the left side. Those two trust and know what each other are going to do for the most part by this point. How can you say that without fail moving Todd to RT won’t just create a huge gaping hole at LG that ill put players right in Vick’s face?
Lol, I don’t get what this post is trying to accomplish, some failed attempt to get the Giants fans riled up? BBV fails yet again
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That’s the most basic "abc" answer from any player in any sport. Don’t know what you guys’ ulterior motive is…if any…
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Questions to ask
How effective has Herremans been at playing tackle any time in the last 2-3 years? And even if he was, was it at RT?
I think there isn’t enough time for him to effectively learn a new position in time for the season. If this was the start of training camp, maybe.
I would rather try Mathis at RT, rather than either break up the Peters – Herremans combo or put King Dunlap in there.
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I'm content to let it ride for now.
If Harris can be healthy I am all for him starting at RT. I do share the concern about RT, but I don’t wanna screw up a good thing on the left just yet if we can avoid it.
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