Current And Former Eagles Named In Miami Football Scandal
by JasonB on Aug 17, 2011 11:01 AM EDT
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PrintNo doubt you've already heard of the pretty massive scandal which has rocked the Miami football program this week, which only got worse when Yahoo! Sports published an exclusive expose on the dealings on convicted Ponzi schemer Nevin Shapiro last night. The report is impeccably supported with damning documents that detail scores of serious NCAA violations Shapiro was engaged in with many different Miami football players from 2002 to 2010. Among those named are a number of current and former Eagles as well tons of other NFL players.
The allegations involving Antonio Dixon, Graig Cooper and Jerome McDougle are after the jump
First is current backup RB Graig Cooper, who the Eagles signed as an undrafted free agent this offseason.
Lodging on Shapiro's $1.6 million yacht for four days in January 2007.
Food, drinks and entertainment at Lucky Strike Lanes in January 2007.
Transportation in Shapiro's car in January 2007.
Next was former Eagles first round pick Jerome McDougle, who can be seen in several photos with Shapiro.
A television from BrandsMart USA for an apartment shared by McDougle, Cornelius Green and Andrew Williams. Shapiro said the TV cost approximately $700.
Drinks and VIP access in nightclubs.
A handful of cash gifts.
Food, drinks and entertainment in the booster's $2.7 million Miami Beach home.
And finally there is current Eagles DT Antonio Dixon.
At least two occasions where Shapiro paid for VIP access and drinks at nightclubs.
A dinner at Miami Beach eatery Grazie prior to the 2006 season.
One more I wanted to highlight though is Giants S Antrel Rolle, whose benefits put these guys to shame...
A $7,500 Jacob the Jeweler watch from Buchwald Jewelers.
Multiple cash gifts totaling in the thousands of dollars.
Multiple trips to both nightclubs and strip clubs where Shapiro paid for VIP access, drinks and entertainment.
$1,500 in bounties. One bounty of $1,000 was for Rolle shutting down Georgia Tech wideout (and former Miami recruiting target) Calvin Johnson in a 27-3 win over Georgia Tech on Oct. 2, 2004. A second bounty of $500 was for a game-sealing interception in a 41-38 win over Louisville on Oct. 14, 2004.
Trips on Shapiro's $1.6 million yacht.
Food, drinks and entertainment at Shapiro's $2.7 million Miami Beach home.
Transportation from Shapiro's bodyguards to and from nightclubs and strip clubs.
Shapiro also told federal agents in taped interviews that his former partner in Axcess Sports - then-NFL agent and current UFL commissioner Michael Huyghue - told him that he had paid Rolle approximately $40,000 while he was playing for the Hurricanes. According to a summary document acquired by Yahoo! Sports, Shapiro told federal agents that he also had a direct conversation with Rolle in which the player affirmed receiving the money from Huyghue and that he planned to repay it. Shapiro also told federal agents that current Miami staffer Sean Allen also had knowledge of Huyghue paying Rolle.
There are ton more of these as well that includes many, many current NFL players including Jon Beason, Calais Campbell, Vernon Carey, Orlando Franklin, Frank Gore, Jacory Harris, Devin Hester, Andre Johnson, Willis McGahee, Rocky McIntosh, Eric Moncur (who was with the Eagles for a short time), Kenny Phillips, Antrel Rolle, Sean Taylor, Jonathan Vilma, Vince Wilfork & Kellen Winslow Jr.
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All of which will not hurt the players right?
Just Miami’s program?
correct...
no real harm to the people actually taking the money… just the programs and those he con’d in a ponsi scheme.
Thats one of the worst parts of this
The highly involved players and untouchable to the NCAA because the vast majority of them aren’t in college anymore.
Da U only has, by my count, 14 players/coaches left on the squad that were involved with this, and yet Al Golden and company are going to be the ones paying for something they had nothing to do with.
by philiafan14364 on Aug 17, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
In this particular case apparently it might affect the former players somewhat.
Because of Shapiro’s Ponzi scheme lawyers are considering recouping all the money they can. That would mean former players that accepted benefits possibly having to pay back what they were given (as it wasn’t Shapiro’s money to hand out).
It’s not exactly a huge punishment or anything, but Rolle, Vilma, etc might actually be affected after all.
I believer you're correct
I think it won’t really hurt the players at all, but it could do huge damage to the school.
Wow this shits gettin deep...they just made OSU and USC look like little girls
Im worried they’re just gonna dump the whole program
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God I hope so
I would love to watch Miami get the death penalty
by DLawrence55 on Aug 17, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Miami U will get the death penalty
They make too much money.
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by chillyphilly on Aug 17, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
The NCAA doesn't really care about that.
Miami doesn’t make significantly more than other big schools and it’s not like Miami is lining the NCAA’s pockets. USC is as big time a program as you can get and they got hit pretty hard for comparatively very little. It might not be the death penatly, but it’s gonna be bad.
yeah I don’t think Miami really makes a whole lot of money for the NCAA, they rarely if ever sell out, play in an off campus stadium, and haven’t been to a BCS game for a few years.
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Aug 17, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
heh
USC is as big time a program as you can get and they got hit pretty hard for comparatively very little.
They were hit hard because the NCAA didn’t know this Miami crap would come along.
I bet if they had known this shit would come out, USC’s punishment would have been a lot less severe. I really think their only option is the DP BECAUSE of what happened to USC.
"When life hands you lemons, make a profit." - Chet Cashley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Aug 17, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
That's sort of what I'm thinking too.
If I were a Miami fan I would be incredibly pissed at Paul Dee. He was the AD at Miami for most of this mess and his most recent work of art was damning USC as chairman of the NCAA infractions committee. That’s some irony right there for one thing. But not only did Dee either a) not know all this shit was going on or b) simply let it all happen while turning a blind eye, Dee also set a pretty harsh precedent for what’s about to happen to Miami.
Dee also set a pretty harsh precedent for what’s about to happen to Miami
Luckily for us, the NCAA is not bound by precedent, or else we’d really be screwed.
by philiafan14364 on Aug 17, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Precedent or no I think you are screwed, sad to say.
And I know the NCAA claims precedent doesn’t matter, but it’s hard to know how true that really is. Regardless, I don’t see Miami getting out of this without a taking a big, big blow. Maybe it won’t be the death penalty, but I bet it’ll be damn close.
Disagree somewhat
Miami is much closer to SMU than you realize – SMU got the death penalty not so much because they were committing the most egregious violations, but as much because they were a relatively small fish in big time atheltics and the NCAA saw SMU as being expendable. Miami is also a relatively small fish – they are a private school, not a big fan draw, and the ACC, like the Southwest Conference is a relatively weak major conference.
The NCAA has seen a lot of major scandals involving big time athletic programs recently – from UNC to USC with several schools in between there have been many programs which have been caught. The NCAA also appears to have gotten caught playing favorites with the Ohio State players – allowing them to play in the Sugar Bowl – and if the allegations about Cam Newton get proven true, they will be looking to show they are tough against somebody – and it isn’t going to be a big state school in a traditional power conference like OSU, UNC (gigantic scandal there – involving a former coach at the U) or Auburn. Miami may well have come about as a relatively upstart program (compared to USC) from a relatively weak conference (the ACC isn’t the Big 10 or SEC) – and as a private school without a state legislature/Governor that will got after the NCAA if they go after Big State U – or without being a top program in another big money sport (UNC football is probably getting a bit of a pass because UNC basketball is such a big money maker for the NCAA – Miami has a good baseball team usually – but good baseball isn’t going to save them). Miami may have picked the exact wrong time to get involved in a major scandal – as Jerry Tarkanian said – the NCAA was so mad at Indiana that they put Cleveland State on probation. The NCAA may be so mad at USC, Ohio State, Auburn, UNC, etc. that they give Miami the death penalty.
Haha, that rhymes
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by starship 007 on Aug 17, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Sports Illustrated ran a piece in the early 90’s saying that Miami should drop football in light of all the scandals they were having then. I wonder if that will be the case again.
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by Veni Vidi Vici on Aug 17, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard someone...
I heard someone speculate that if the NCAA hits too hard and too wide, schools like USC, OSU and Miami might just form their own athletic association…one that allows boosters to pay student athletes (even if school doesn’t do it)…think of the TV dollars USC, OSU and Miami could garner, particularly if they draw a couple of other programs in the microscope with them…
It’s pie in the sky, but then I thought the dismantlement of the Big 12 two years ago would have been as well…there is very little coordination going on in college athletics these days…
---AstrosFan (Austin Lawyer and Sports Fan)
Probably not...
But two or three more very large public universities losing MILLIONS because of NCAA sanctions? Won’t take long before their allegiance to the money is more important to their allegiance to the NCAA…particularly if they are a public school losing serious cash with feds and state governments cutting off the funding…
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Public perception will be the primary issue
Who’s going to want to go to that school for academic purposes other than the athletes themselves?
Additionally, they’ll get no sympathy from outsiders – and rightfully so. You make a bed full of shit and piss, you best be willing to lie in it if the time comes.
Well...
Most academics don’t choose NOT to go to a school because of a scandal at the football program, or whether they are in the NCAA. Public perception would be that it is a major university with a good _ program (fill in the blank with academic area of your choice).
Also, I think there were very MANY people who thought the OSU violations were more technical than serious.
By the way, ultimately I think colleges and universities are going to massively change in the next two decades to be more often than not a small campus with a large set of online courses and videos. Too expensive to run the campuses, and the NFL will start having minor leagues in lieu of relying on colleges.
---AstrosFan (Austin Lawyer and Sports Fan)
I would be more than willing to bet that if this happened, a bunch of professors would jump ship from those universities, too
Why thatd be stupid
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Because some people care about education still?
…seriously?
It’s not stupid at all. It’d be stupid to be a preeminent program and leave the NCAA for some makeshift, upstart wannabe.
Not...
Not if you’re not alone…it’s stupid to leave the Big 12 because you’re ticked about profit sharing between A&M and the University of Texas, but guess what?
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I wouldn't say it's that stupid.
The other Big 12 schools have every right to be pissed. I’m not at all surprised there is dissent there.
Lot of professors don’t like this tail wagging the dog shit with athletic departments. A department head of WVU once told my uncle he had to pass a player merely for showing up to class. He left there shortly after.
If they weren’t in the NCAA, they could design their own academic program for the athletes who are only in college for sports.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
by KByars on Aug 17, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder if they’d risk losing their accreditation as a college. They’d be like DeVry or University of Phoenix or something.
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It could be a vocational program. Without NCAA restrictions, student-athletes wouldn’t be required to be in traditional programs.
@dlawrence
I would think the professors would prefer this sort of arrangement, because they would no longer need to be involved with athletes pretending to be students.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
Why?
NCAA is only for athletics…If you have a sports club program, it has nothing to do with accreditation. You do not need to have a sanctioned NCAA football team to be accredited in academics.
---AstrosFan (Austin Lawyer and Sports Fan)
It all depends on how the professors look at it. I’m sure a lot of professors would stay. But many would not. There are lots of true academics out there who don’t like the idea of universities being professional sports franchises. Those are the ones that are always vocal about this shit when it comes up
Precisely...
They can set up a separate track (let’s call it a “football major”) for athletes with future potential…I mean, if I’m a journalist, I can make money reporting for cash and still be a student…why is a football player different?
---AstrosFan (Austin Lawyer and Sports Fan)
That's very true
Let’s not forget that first and foremost these are schools.
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Well...
First and foremost, they are schools…but they are spending their time being NCAA compliance entities and booster traffic cops…
---AstrosFan (Austin Lawyer and Sports Fan)
I don't see why
I don’t see why professors would care…unless it means their income gets reduced…tenured positions are not exactly easy to come by these days…
---AstrosFan (Austin Lawyer and Sports Fan)
Schools like OSU dont’ have that choice. That’s a public school whose first priority is academic integrity, not football money.
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They have a choice...
They don’t need no ncaa…or they could start their own with different rules…even the threat would probably mean the NCAA would rethink what they do…
---AstrosFan (Austin Lawyer and Sports Fan)
Will not happen
Most athletic departments don’t come close to being profitable even at the big schools. Atheltics is but one mission of the overall university.
It really all depends on how complicit the program is. They’ll get hit either way, but it will be a lot of worse if program is found to have been condoning all this.
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As a "U" fan this blows
thing is…it happens everywhere, these players just got caught. Also, while I understand the meaning behind the rule, its a shitastic one.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 17, 2011 11:13 AM EDT reply actions
INTERNET RAGE.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 17, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Fixed
Never call a Phillies, Eagles, Flyers or Sixers fans, a band-wagoner. It is disrespectful. We have suffered agony through the years. Philadelphians should be jovial for their teams' success.
by chillyphilly on Aug 17, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
it fucking blows
because I definitely saw a real upswing, and we were finally on the road back up. Now its like the NCAA gods just took a shit on us.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 17, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
These two weeks haven't been nice to you BBI.
Never call a Phillies, Eagles, Flyers or Sixers fans, a band-wagoner. It is disrespectful. We have suffered agony through the years. Philadelphians should be jovial for their teams' success.
by chillyphilly on Aug 17, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
no...they have not.
Just watching some real live football though, after months of lockout, lessened the sting a bit
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 17, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah....
this really blows. at least im flying back to miami friday morning.
by phillycane6 on Aug 17, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I feel your pain my friend.
I didn’t go to the U, but I’ve been a huge fan for quite some time.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 17, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
there is no way they are giving us the death penalty.
if they tried to do that. im sure donna shalala would pull some of her political strings and have bill clinton intervene or something. the weird thing is im not even kidding.
by phillycane6 on Aug 17, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope so dude
though with the heavy fines we’ll get, we’re not going to be doing some recruiting for a long long time..
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 17, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry man
But there’s a very real way they do. There’s no speculating what will happen, but everything is on the table, particularly with the amount of evidence that has been gathered to corroborate the investigative reporting.
NCAA really didn't even to give SMU the death penalty
They just had no other choice. I don’t see it coming here, but I’d almost rather have it than the years of severe penalties Miami will have to take instead
by DLawrence55 on Aug 17, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Really didn’t even WANT to give SMU the death penalty, I meant.
by DLawrence55 on Aug 17, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
As a student at the U, you have no idea how much this sucks if Shalalalala is one of the fatalities.
it happens everywhere, these players just got caught
But yeah, ^^ that’s so true its not even funny.
by philiafan14364 on Aug 17, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think this level of impropriety happens everywhere.
Violations certainly happen everywhere. But this is an extreme level that I don’t think is as commonplace as the cynics among us claim. Improper benefits are hard to avoid, but a decade of systematic funneling of over-the-top benefits is a bit more than I think happens at most programs.
I think its crazy to have a death penalty
Never call a Phillies, Eagles, Flyers or Sixers fans, a band-wagoner. It is disrespectful. We have suffered agony through the years. Philadelphians should be jovial for their teams' success.
by chillyphilly on Aug 17, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, at least there’s life after death…
by 92-74-99-96 on Aug 17, 2011 11:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, it's for this exact reason
Rampant evidence that proves a university has completely lost control of its footballing establishment.
by cwel87 on Aug 17, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i think players getting taken out for dinner and such isnt a big deal
But getting access to yachts, mansions, strippers, night clubs, ect… is a whole other level. Not to mention getting 500 bucks a month from a booster to pay for living needs isn’t a big deal. But multiple thousands for no other reason than to blow on booze and women is completely asinine.
by VRFC8 on Aug 17, 2011 11:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bounties for injuring?
Only bounties mentioned (here anyway) were more like gold star bonuses.. Game ending pick, shutting down a star WR. Not paid for injuring other players, just paid to play good. Besides, we Buddy had real bounties.. not sure we can really talk much on that subject.
Not paid for injuring other players
The booster told Yahoo! Sports he had a number of individual payouts for “hit of the game” and “big plays.” He also put bounties on specific players, including Florida Gators quarterback Tim Tebow and a three-year standing bounty on Seminoles quarterback Chris Rix from 2002 to 2004, offering $5,000 to any player who knocked him out of a game.
“We pounded the (expletive) out of that kid,” Shapiro said of Rix. “Watch the tape of those games. You’ll see so many big hits on him. Guys were all going after that $5,000 in cash. [Jon] Vilma tried to kill him – just crushed him – a couple of times trying to get that $5,000. And he almost got it, too.”
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What what your quoting me as saying..
.. don’t forget I did say this…
Only bounties mentioned (here anyway)
But if the article says that.. then ok.
You forgot about the secret abortion. Shit’s dark.
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by KeepSwinging on Aug 17, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know if the NCAA shut down the program
probably erase the last decade or so of seasons and idk, strip them of scholarships for the next 2 decades.
Probably forces the ’Canes to shut down their program for a while anyway.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 17, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure, man
This is pretty brutal stuff.
I’m all for the whole ‘pay the players in college’ shit, but this is just…awful.
Everything about it, right on down to the booster, just reeks of the ‘old-skool’ U.
I haven't read the entire story
Trying to avoid it right now. But, from what I’ve been hearing from more or less everywhere…you might be right. Here’s to just holding out hope.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 17, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
To review:
In an exhaustively researched expose, Robinson details a litany of the following violations: “cash, prostitutes, entertainment in his multimillion-dollar homes and yacht, paid trips to high-end restaurants and nightclubs, jewelry, bounties for on-field play (including bounties for injuring opposing players), travel and, on one occasion, an abortion.”
Oh. My. God.
mother fucker
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 17, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
The shit has hit the fan.
Never call a Phillies, Eagles, Flyers or Sixers fans, a band-wagoner. It is disrespectful. We have suffered agony through the years. Philadelphians should be jovial for their teams' success.
by chillyphilly on Aug 17, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
x
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by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 17, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't even include the next line
I decided it’d be best to give you time to gather yourself.
And then read the worst part (in relation to the U’s future).
I seriously cant stop staring at this
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This happens Everywhere.
I personally know many good former and current College Athletes and about 90% of them got partial treatment with gifts or benefits. This has become the nature of the beast when you are at a winning program that has made millions off the athletics program, they’re going to be: Boosters, Dirty money, and dirty women. This sucks tho because “Da U” is a college that has given chances to many Black Males (I’m Black for those who wanna take this the wrong way) who otherwise had little hope. The way (for a time) they had their players playing the game of football like “Thugs, and Gangsters” dominating the opposition was always special to watch. Some of the best players from “Da U” would not have been given chances at other colleges which is why for me ITS ALL ABOUT DA U!!!!
I wouldn't know... I went to a Div 3 school.
We kick every one asses in the conference. If I didn’t know better, it could pass as a Single A Division 1.
Never call a Phillies, Eagles, Flyers or Sixers fans, a band-wagoner. It is disrespectful. We have suffered agony through the years. Philadelphians should be jovial for their teams' success.
by chillyphilly on Aug 17, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
That blanket defense will not be enough to save the U from this
I don’t discount what you’ve said, but you’ve got to realize that this is way beyond ‘happening everywhere’. Some of these allegations are past football, they include the coaches and the star players, and it’s all documented by a paper trail. A paper trail over 2,000 pages long.
The game is over. It is 2011. And they sealed their own fate with this.
I didn't say it wasn't fair
I just stated this sucks because of what Miami has done for Football. There cannot be a plead of innocent, I recognize this but I am willing to beat that any D-1 school that has won a National Championship in the last Half a century will have some sort of “Paper Trial” behind them. Miami did the deed so they must pay the piper But this will not be the last big name school getting hit… Let the slide continue.
And I think we all believe it shall.
Miami did the deed so they must pay the piper But this will not be the last big name school getting hit… Let the slide continue.
strip them of scholarships for the next 2 decades.
They can join the Patriot League… go Lehigh!
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
R2C2!
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Aug 17, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Boo! Lehigh sucks! Go St. Lawrence and Clarkson! (haha, I go to SUNY Potsdam, same neck of the woods as those two).
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by AnthroEagle on Aug 17, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Total hockey country up here. We’re basically Canada’s bitch.
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Probably it won't.
Bama had two major violations in five years which could have triggered the death penalty but the NCAA declined. Unless somebody is running a sex trafficking ring out of the football offices, I doubt we’ll ever see the death penalty again.
by Tracer Bullet on Aug 17, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a lot worse than two major violations in five years, though
And, because the Shapiro reign dates back to 2002, the NCAA could ignore the statute of limitations and go back to what became of what.
I’m not saying it’s going to happen, but I do think it’s foolish to believe the death penalty is off the table. Shit is serious up in there.
Two violations in five years pales in comparison to this.
This is dozens of major violations, over and over again, spread out over 8 years. If the NCAA believes it was continued rules abuse by the program it can eliminate the statute of limitations normally in place and it certainly looks that will be the case.
Oh, it's bad. I'm not pretending it isn't.
Miami is absolutely going to get hammered. But SMU was a premier program when they got the penalty and that program still isn’t back to normal 25 years later. I just think the NCAA will use any excuse they can find to avoid the death penalty.
by Tracer Bullet on Aug 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Not Quite the same
SMU was already on Probation for other reasons when they messed up but its still very bad for tha ’Canes.
There is a big difference between Alabama and Miami
If the NCAA had tried to give Alabama football the death penalty, it could have resulted in a second Civil War.
If the NCAA gives Miami the death penalty, few people even in south Florida will even care.
After SMU, NCAA said they were unlikely to use "death penalty" again
Taking away scholarships is actually pretty devastating to a program. Combine that with some firings, bowl ineligible for 1-2 years, etc. it does have SOME impact on recruiting.
by donniethelion on Aug 17, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem is in the standard set with USC
These allegations are far, far more serious, obviously. And yet, USC still ended up with scholarship restrictions and a two-year bowl ban.
Paul Dee dug his former employer’s grave with that ruling. And that’s where I believe the U will end up.
Precedent does not matter in the NCAA
Those appearing before the committees should focus on the conduct involved in the actual matter pending before the committees, not on prior cases.
by philiafan14364 on Aug 17, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
is it really that bad that some guy bought some football players some food and drinks?
(serious question, i dont know the rules here…)
and i can see how the other stuff is more serious, just wondering about the food and drinks part of it lol
by RogerPodacter on Aug 17, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not college sport guy but
you aren’t supposed to take endorsement. That is why Reggie Bush lost his Heisman Trophy.
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by chillyphilly on Aug 17, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
right, i understand that you can’t accept gifts and money and all that. that part makes sense to me.
i just find it weird that they listed stuff above that basically sounds like a guy took some players out and treated them to a dinner with some drinks…
maybe there’s more to it than just that and that is why it is listed here with everything else.
by RogerPodacter on Aug 17, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
He didn't do it in the same spirit that your buddy does taking you out for your birthday.
This guy would have nothing to do with you if you weren’t a football player. Essentially he was paying these players to be on the team, he used his money to attract recruits as well. If you recieve compensation for being a player you lose your amatuer status according to the ncaa and are ineligible to play in ncaa sports.
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Not to mention the prostitutes, underage drinking
And then assuredly using his 4-5 years of goodwill to coerce these players into signing with his agency as they went into the draft.
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ahh ok. i guess i am seeing as just ‘a guy treats a few other guys for dinner’ when it was probably more of just what they were doing when they were exchanging goods/money/etc.
and it very well might have been a $400 meal too with insanely priced drinks. i’m thinking a dinner at outback or something that cost $50 lol
by RogerPodacter on Aug 17, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, the numbers listed in the player breakdowns are huge
He took three guys out for Halloween, they dropped over $2,000 at the club, $400 steak dinners, that sort of stuff. TVs, rims, cars, luxury hotel rooms for recruits, cash for big plays.
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ok. this was definitely NOT the trivial amount of money i was thinking it was 10 minutes ago. this shit is crazy!
by RogerPodacter on Aug 17, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Miami is boned, hard.
Especially since so many people inside the program are supposedly involved, I see the names of a lot of the positional coaches and the head basketball coach in the details.
My knee jerk reaction is that they vacate most of their wins from the last decade pretty much, lose a boat load of scholarships, banned from post season play for a few years, huge fines and probably a few current players will be suspended for a while.
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a while
until they transfer
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by GreenInBaltimore on Aug 17, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Can NCAA suspend them country wide?
I know schools suspend their players themselves, but can the NCAA just rule them ineligible so they can’t play anywhere? Something similar to what happened with Jeremy Bloom?
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It makes so little sense
that people are allowed to play professional baseball for years and then go and play college football, but if you accept free skis or something to ski on the United States Olympic team you are permanently ineligible for all sports. It just makes no sense at all.
Yes they can.
In the NCAA’s eyes those kids no longer can be considered amateurs and therefore cannot participate in varsity college sports. That’s my understanding anyway.
Doesn't it depend upon the violation?
Alabama was caught paying Albert Means to go there (and most of the rest of the SEC was caught attempting to pay Albert Means to go to their schools) – Alabama was sanctioned over it, but Albert Means was able to play for the University of Memphis.
Could also mention how Cam Newton’s father was prohibited from involvement with Mississippi State and Auburn – but his son was allowed to play in the SEC and National Championship games.
and probably a few current players will be suspended for a while.
The current players involved will be suspended for at least a season if they didn’t take too much in improper benefits, but for the players that took big benefits (which is likely a lot of them), they are done. The NCAA will revoke their eligibility and their scholarships. They will have to hope to be drafted or picked up as UDFA’s next year unless they are prepared to continue school without football.
Well I would have taken some free shit if I was Dixon.
Dude was the Oher of DT’s minus the draft stock. But damn, Rolle pretty much had a fuckin’ contract. Thats serious. I mean I can’t really say I’d turn away those offers. Especially Rolle’s. It’s fucked up to tempt up and coming athletes and jeopardize their careers but then again, the players in question knew the consequences.
I can't blame the players
It doesn’t say much for their judgment of course, to risk their collegiate careers if they get caught while still in school. But schools pimp the hell out of these players, they make so much money because of them, it’s wrong for them to then deny the students, many of whom won’t get a chance at good money in the sport, to get a little something for their effort and time, god knows its almost impossible to get a quality education, even over 5 years while spending your time on the team.
This comes down to the schools and NCAA making things right.
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Guys in my orientation group got benefits like this all the time, what’s the BFD?
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by sebastiantheibis on Aug 17, 2011 11:24 AM EDT reply actions
It's against the rules laid out by the NCAA, that's the BFD.
We can always debate the merit of the rules in questions, but those rules do exist,so…
I don't care
Glad these guys took it. I would have too. I would encourage others to do the same.
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by Euler.is.a.Pimp on Aug 17, 2011 11:26 AM EDT reply actions
You would encourage others to injure players for money and knock up hookers?
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I’ll admit I didn’t read every word of the article, but from what I read I got that players were given benefits as a method of recruiting for agents. I don’t agree with the idea of injuring other players for money.
They were being paid money to knock up hookers? That doesn’t seem to make any sense. But no I don’t have a problem with them taking money to knock up hookers willing to have sex with them.
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by Euler.is.a.Pimp on Aug 17, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
On a related note, the most frightening person in the entire college football landscape has to be...
Charles Robinson.
And I don’t even think it’s close, either.
Jesus
Poor Al Golden, thinking he was set after leaving Temple for a big time job, and now he could have absolutely no shot of winning anything for the forseeable future. That blows.
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I would imagine it will be easy for him to exit his contract
If they didn’t disclose this to him, he should be able to leave whenever he wants, probably at the end of the year when other vacancies open up. These months will be a waste of course, but I don’t think he should have to stay through the atom bomb that is going to be unloaded on Miami by the NCAA.
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Yeah. Al Golden is pissed that nobody told him.
I thought it was a little shady that our athletic director randomly bolted for Texas Tech. Turns out he knew about the investigation and didnt tell Al Golden or the new athletic director. Gotta fucking love it. Looks like Golden might be better off at Temple after all. The only thing I’m banking on is the fact that Golden is a strict disciplinarian and the NCAA might just allow him to sort the program out without the death penalty. This shit would never go down under Golden’s watch.
I just hope he stays for a few more years until JoePa retires
Then Golden can come home and continue the legacy.
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It's some legitimately scary shit
The NCAA, of course, has no desire to shut down the U’s football program because of the money it makes. But, if ever there was the definition of ‘a complete lack of institutional control’, well…we’ve got it right here.
Lack of institutional control?
It seems the institution was well aware of what it was doing. I wouldn’t say a lack of control, as much as a lack of concern for the rules.
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Well, that only makes it worse
But since nothing is plausibly worse in terms of repercussions than the ban-hammer, hey!
They’re fuuuuucked.
Agreed. My condolences to all Miami fans; even with a “history”, you can’t say “you should be used to this” or “you get what you deserve”. The program, yes, but fans have nothing to do with the off-field machinations of the administrators of their favorite teams.
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Off topic but...
I’m so fed up with EVERY PIECE about the Eagles containing the mention that they’re the “self-proclaimed dream team.” My biggest beef about that is the fact that every single piece that uses that term is taking it completely out of context from Vince Young as a BGN article so kindly pointed out, and the fact that they’re making this a bigger deal than at the Heat’s pre-season championship party when LeBron commented on how many championships they plan on winning by saying “Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7.” So off topic but just read another Yahoo article titled “dreamy additions have eagles thinking big” with the obvious tie to Young’s out of context comment.
Not going away.
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by chillyphilly on Aug 17, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Where any of these players
on championship teams?
‘Cause they’ll probably lose their championship like USC did.
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Supposedly started in 2002, the year after our last championship. So I think our national title that year (2001) is safe. Everything else that happened after that will probably get wiped away, but not to many Miami fans care seeing as how pretty much anything that happened from 2002-2011 were essentially “the dark days” anyway.
by philiafan14364 on Aug 17, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe this business is part of the reason why those were the dark days.
I could definitely see things like those bounties, for example, affecting on the field play. The bounties encourage players to make more big plays, but that also means players are looking out for themselves on the field more than the team.
The bounties to hurt people were confined to two people, Tebow and Chris Rix. Our two biggest rival’s QBs. I don’t think this had anything to do with it, especially since we only play one of those teams a year. And besides, the most notable ‘bounty’ game was the infamous “wide left I” game in which the Canes won 28-27.
Our problems had more to do with the coaching staff having its head crammed into its ass.
by philiafan14364 on Aug 18, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not true at all.
The bounties on specific players were indeed confined to two players, but there were bounties given out for all kinds if plays. Devin Hester earned more money via bounties than any other player apparently and he obviously had nothing to do with Rix or Tebow. So I do think it could have an effect. Cornerbacks going all-in for the interception (even more so than normal) instead of focusing on sticking to their man could easily have an effect for example. Or what if a RB passes up the opportunity for the easy first down because he’d rather try to nail down the bounty for a 25+ yard run? (Note: Not sure if there was a bounty for that or not, just thinking out loud here.)
Now, you would know better than I about why Miami deteriorated, so I defer to you when you say the coaching staff(s) was the reason Miami went downhill. But I’ve never heard of bounties like this before and I wouldn’t be surprised if they played some affect on game days, even if small.
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The guy in the red shorts is Antrel Rolle. Use it to your advantage during Giants games this year.
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by chillyphilly on Aug 17, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
prove it?
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by Ralf E Chubbs on Aug 17, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
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by chillyphilly on Aug 17, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The booster told Yahoo! Sports he had a number of individual payouts for "hit of the game" and "big plays." He also put bounties on specific players, including Florida Gators quarterback Tim Tebow and a three-year standing bounty on Seminoles quarterback Chris Rix from 2002 to 2004, offering $5,000 to any player who knocked him out of a game.
"We pounded the (expletive) out of that kid," Shapiro said of Rix. "Watch the tape of those games. You’ll see so many big hits on him. Guys were all going after that $5,000 in cash. [Jon] Vilma tried to kill him – just crushed him – a couple of times trying to get that $5,000. And he almost got it, too."
$5,000 is all they need to go out of their way to injury someone? Jesus Christ.
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He's actually right
I specifically remember those games. Chris Rix was annihilated, repeatedly, often late.
This is disgusting.
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My favorite part of this whole mess
is from Stewart Mandel’s SI.com opinion piece talking about the future and credibility of the NCAA infractions committee
Actually, one man towers over this story, even though he’s only briefly mentioned: Former Miami athletic director Paul Dee.
Dee, you may recall, was the Committee on Infractions chairman for USC’s much-publicized case last summer involving former stars Reggie Bush and O.J. Mayo. It was Dee who, in announcing some of the stiffest penalties of the last 20 years (a two-year bowl ban and 30 docked scholarships), closed with the preachy reminder that “high-profile athletes demand high-profile compliance.”
Dee, Miami’s AD during most of the period covering Shapiro’s allegations, is retired and no longer under NCAA jurisdiction. Still, it seems only fair he should spend a day at USC’s Heritage Hall wearing a sandwich board with the word “Hypocrite.”
See if this sounds familiar: “We didn’t have any suspicion that he was doing anything like this. He didn’t do anything to cause concern.”
I’m fairly certain I heard Pete Carroll say something to that effect, repeatedly, about Bush’s time at USC. He insisted there’s no way he or anyone else at the school could have known that Bush’s parents were living the high life in San Diego — a defense Dee and his committee sharply rebuked.
But no, those were the words of Dee himself, Tuesday, to the Palm Beach Post, in regards to Shapiro’s allegations. Seriously. The same guy whose committee lamented the access outsiders had to the Trojans’ locker room and sidelines also told the Post that, " [Shapiro] would come by, ask to go out to practice and we would send one of our staffers to accompany him."
You can’t make this stuff up.
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There goes Miami losing me money again.
Me and my friends have a pool where we bet on which College is going have scandal allegations coming at them next. I said Boise State but one of my friends said Miami.
Oh well, time for round 4. I think Im going to place my bet on South Carolina.
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Penn State.
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Arizona State
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by chillyphilly on Aug 17, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I was always amazed how Alvarez was like the teflon don up at Wisconsin. that guy was dirty as sin
by DLawrence55 on Aug 17, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Boise State did have scandal allegations a couple of months back
Allegation of lack of institutional control for some really insanely weird allegations including the fact that their women’s tennis team apparently was using players that were not actually enrolled in the school.
a little bit actually.
the school administration really seems to have cleaned up its act over the past couple years. although it doesnt surprise me at all that this was going on from 2001 to 2007
by phillycane6 on Aug 17, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of these violations are outside the NCAAs 4 year statute of limitations anyway
So punishments can’t be handed out because of them. It’s the severity of the ones within that 4 year window that will rate the penalties. So I’m assuming any involving McDougle, Rolle, etc. should be out of consideration
They can technically roll it back to the start of the Shapiro era, since it stretched to within the statute
Which is when things get scary.
idk thats kind of a weak case.
i can totally understand them throwing down sanctions for the players that have been within the last four years, but i think the statute of limitations will be applied to everything else, mostly because Randy Shannon kept the program very scandal free for the last 3 years. But this is just an extreme case of wishful thinking/hoping/praying on my part.
Which you're by all means entitled to
I’m just presenting the other side of it. And the other side includes no such sunshine and lollipops.
There are currently players involved, so clearly Randy Shannon did not keep the program very scandal free.
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yes but it was very early in his term as head coach.
The current players involved in the scandal are seniors. so it looks like it happened very early under Shannon’s watch. Cleaning up a program is a process, it does not happen immediately. Therefore i think it is safe to say that Randy Shannon did a very good job of keeping the program generally scandal free.
If they can prove that there was a continued lack of control beyond the statute of limitations in regards to specific people, they can eliminate the statute of limitations.
So it’s not necessarily going to protect the U in this case. It could, but it easily might not.
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by Sparki on Aug 17, 2011 1:11 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
like it ...
dont love it … but its something.
by thePurpleLion on Aug 17, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe the NCAA should just change how they do business.
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by KByars on Aug 17, 2011 1:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don’t condone what that scumbag Shapiro did, he’s a convicted felon and all the money he was giving out was gotten from a 950 Million $ Ponzi scheme, Miami as a program really didn’t do anything but they have to take the punishment rather than Shapiro or the players that accepted the benefits.
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Miami didn’t do anything…you’re right. They made no attempts to keep this guy (and guys like him) away from the program. Or probably any attempts to find out if guys like this hung around the team
How would you possibly find out? Post spies at his mansion and yacht if you suspected it? The players obviously wouldn’t say anything because they wanted the benefits to keep coming
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Just watched a report on CNN. Shapiro admitted that at least 6 coaches knew what he was doing.
The people running these programs aren’t stupid. 18 & 19 year olds getting thousands of dollars? Bounties? Yacht parties? These people are going to talk…and get overheard.
That’s also like saying “How is the IRS possibly going to find out I lied on my taxes?” or “How is the SEC ever going to find out I traded on inside information?”
They do. And people go to prison for it all the time.
Did you see the part about the confrontation in the press box ,when the AD wanted to further investiagte Shapiro’s connection to the U? So, the AD was trying to do the right thing, and Shapiro assaulted him.
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“Maybe the NCAA should just change how they do business.”
I think you’re fooling yourself if you think that would actually change anything. So you pay the players a stipend? Do you really think that would have prevented from taking these benefits from this guy?
Schools should change the way they do business. NFL teams realize players are investment, which is why they value character so highly. Maybe schools should do the same. There has to be a point where even if a kid runs a 4.2, if he seems like the kind that is going to knock up a hooker and get someone else to pay for an abortion, maybe you don’t want to offer him a scholarship.
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I think...
I think the university should be absolved of all things booster unless they actively participated in the transfer of cash or privileges…I think universities should pay student athletes as work study…obviously there are rules about prostitution and such, and law breaking should allow a university to suspend a student…happens all the time…let’s get NCAA out of these kind of investigations, let law enforcement handle it, then university deal with it after the law breaking has been investigated by those charged with doing that.
BTW, I hate OSU, didn’t go to Miami, and I was saying this same thing about tattoo gate…the NCAA needs to get out of private contract money changing hands unless it has an effect on the field…i.e., no payment for throwing games, shaving points, etc etc.
But if a booster wants to give $30,000 so a player will go to Oklahoma instead of UT? Couldn’t care less, not my business.
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But I am kind of annoyed at the NCAA’s lack of, at least, some accountability. I mean Antonio Dixon lived on the street (literally) while he was in high school and Vince Wilfork had both his parents die while he was in college. Neither one of them went there to be scholars, so they are essentially being paid nothing when their health and happiness are at stake. And the whole getting into clubs and vip for free thing, have you never been comped a meal or a ticket or even been given something free? If you go to a casino they comp rooms, meal, etc because they want you to stay and lose your money, so as Athlete-Students (not the other way around) why is that bad for them?
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They comp you because you lose money there. They may not go there intending to be scholars but their scholarship is the coin of the realm, the same way it is for people going there intending to graduate. That is their compensation, and it’s not insignificant. If they don’t want it, they can leave. But they can’t accept it, say “you know what, I didn’t come here to book learn” and then play the role of the used and oppressed because they don’t get paid in cash on top of it.
That said, they should be allowed to have jobs.
they dont comp for money lost, they comp to keep you there so you CAN lose.
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RE: comped meals
its a little different when you go out and spend $2000 at the club and then get a $400 steak dinner (plus more for some top shelf drinks, i’m sure).
by RogerPodacter on Aug 17, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Why weren’t they there to be scholars? It’s a school. They should be there to get an education. Playing football is how they pay their tuition. Other students do it by borrowing. What’s the difference?
It’ doesn’t excuse dishonesty and screwing everyone else over.
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Jason, do basketball players go to school to learn? most no
my point is is that if they could go to the NFL from High School, they would.
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you don't think stuff like this happens at Northern Iowa or Notre Dame or even San Diego State?
I am just saying this is a product of the NCAA not stepping up and helping these kids get campus jobs or at the very least giving them a stiffen.
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Do basketball players go to school to learn?
Hell yes they do.
How many basketball players, even at major-college programs, do you think get to the NBA? How many actually last in the NBA? How about overseas employment involving basketball?
Answer: less than 8%. And that’s just from the major programs.
That answer has nothing to do with the question.
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The question was: do basketball players go to school to learn?
I actually answered the question exactly.
Not at all. You answered the questions that you asked.
The question of motivation to play college basketball is not answered by a statistic of how many players actually get the chance to go pro. You couldn’t answer the question of how many small business owners want to make a million dollars by giving a statistic showing how many actually do make a million dollars.
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from your keyboard to angel's ears.
I understand cwel87 and Jason’s points but what I am saying is, their main goal in get through the three year waiting process to be drafted.
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By the players who have the talents, yes
But for those who don’t, I’ve seen multiple examples of players being incredibly thankful for their full scholarship and attempting to make the most of it. Moreso than many of our fellow students who were there, footing the bill at their own expense.
Agreed.
A lot of players who have NFL aspirations also know that they aren’t at the top of the NFL Draft food chain and they take advantage of the chance to earn a degree.
However, at least at the athlete factory type of schools, there are a fairly sizable number of guys that don’t recognize that they might not make it to the pro’s and they don’t take school seriously. I think there are actually less of those players than a lot of people like to say, but there are still quite a few.
The motivation to play basketball wasn't put into question, it was the players' respective desire to learn
Now, the majority of the Kentucky program notwithstanding, players recognize they have a long-shot chance, at best, of playing professionally.
Does that mean they go to school to learn, or do they twiddle their thumbs when they’re supposed to be in class? I don’t think you’re giving most of these student-athletes enough credit.
what i am saying is, you go to a place like Temple or Penn for education
You go to UM, Arkansas, and Oklahoma for prep into the NFL.
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Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"
Semantics aside. Their motivation to go to college to play basketball is not answered by giving a statistic of how many players successfully turn pro. The point stands.
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Their motivation to learn while they are at college playing basketball is well-represented by the statistic and the question that was initially posed
You’re trying to change his wording of the question to better fit how you perceive it to be. That’s simply not so.
The point stands.
Not at all. The question of, are they going to college to learn or to play basketball, is not answered by how many players successfully become pro athletes. Now, if every college basketball player had the option of going pro if they wished, and only 8% of them went pro, then you’d have an answer. Many are called; few are chosen.
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by KByars on Aug 17, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am sure it happens at every major program
NCAA is a joke.
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As a Miami fan this blows, there’s been a disturbing amount of things going on like this in college football lately. The guy that’s revealing all this is a total scumbag by the way, having gotten all this money to give out from a Ponzi scheme. And at some point is the NCAA going to take any responsibility? Many major programs have already had violations and there are many more to come, don’t doubt that. What are they gonna do, punish every big program in the sport?
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Stanford is probably clean, Andrew Luck is the best college QB I’ve seen in years too, hopefully the lolskins don’t get him
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damn it ... how can we prevent that,
cmon howie and company. I know you guys can scheme to keep this guy from Dallas and Washinton!
Can we get the Niners or Dolphins to just forfiet their games this year?
by thePurpleLion on Aug 17, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
On the other hand
since Stanford is generally pretty bad tgo mediocre, they are way too smart to be cheating that badly
Best college quarterback I've seen since Peyton, probably
And maybe even since that other Stanford QB…
Not saying he’s as good, or GOING to be as good. But yeah, Andrew Luck’s pretty beastly.
Or Notre Dame
But they are lowering their academic requirements, so they can put better players on the field
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why does this Shapiro guy have a million dollar Yaght and a 3 million dollar home? This dirtbag shouldn’t have a dime to his name. What a fuckin snake.
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He doesn’t anymore…
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********* BREAKING NEWS ******************
UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI LAW STUDENTS SUPPLIED WITH FREE ALCOHOL AT CAREER NIGHT AT GREENBERG TRAURIG, AKERMAN SENTERFITT AND OTHER MAJOR LAW FIRMS. LAW SCHOOL DEAN PATRICIA WHITE AND UNIVERSITY PRESIDENT DONNA SHALA WERE PRESENT!!! THE UNIVERSITY PRESIDENT WAS OVERHEARD LAUDING CERTAIN BOOSTERS AND LOBBYISTS FOR THEIR FINANCIAL SUPPORT!!
by sebastiantheibis on Aug 17, 2011 2:15 PM EDT reply actions
That goes on at every law school
My law school even had its own wine.
And a law school party is not official without top shelf liquor pouring freely
Where the hell did you go to law school? UC Davis? Their own wine! Shit, I went to the wrong school…but they certainly weren’t stingy with the vino.
I can't imagine...
….a law school reception with employers NOT having free booze. I’m not sure I would go to one :)
Admittedly, we didn’t have our own wine.
I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, there will be no trade for Monta!
Yep...
Happened with me at Tech…even had to truck the liquor in from out of the area, since Lubbock at the time was a dry city…
---AstrosFan (Austin Lawyer and Sports Fan)
Oh and to state the obvious
There is no ABA rule against law firms paying law students money.
Yeah…I think they call it a “summer associate program” :)
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by dweebowitz on Aug 17, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What I hate most...
Apologies if this is stated earlier, or more eloquently, but when guys like Shapiro, or Canseco (who he cites as a model for his behavior), come to the press with scandalous information, they aren’t doing so for “the integrity of the game”, or whatever BS platitudes they offer. I will be fair, and concede maybe 10% of their conscience is trying to do the right thing; I will be generous and concede 25% goodwill. And if their confessions lead to changes, I’m all for positive change. But the major reason for this is spite. According to the Yahoo article, Shapiro says he called guys for help (bail money, court costs) and got nothing, so he’s embittered. And then, he’s never getting a reputable job in financial services again. Only thing left to do is to write a tell-all book and bank.
Note, I don’t think his conviction makes him a faulty witness, as many news outlets will be sure to let you know the info comes from a “convicted felon”; the evidence is all over so the source doesn’t matter . Still, I hope he doesn’t speak out with a bunch of crap about how he’s sorry for ruining the integrity of the game, or that he’s interested in full disclosure. This guy, like many in financial services, was an opportunist, pure and simple, and he’s going to cash in on another opportunity now, at the expense of the program, the current players/staff, and all their fans. To his credit, he seems mostly to be cooperating and not excusing his actions.
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Don’t think he can collect royalties on a book about his criminal activities while he’s in jail. But since this isn’t criminal, he may well be able to profit from it. Of course, he may not want to profit from it, since his fraud victims will be able to garnish his future income streams to help recoup their losses.
Tough titties for you, Shapiro.
Shapiro's admitted as much.
And, by the way, you’ll be happy to know that the tell-all book is on its way!
Also, he’s a douche. He knows he’s a douche. To me, this makes it worse – but I’m probably in the minority in that. People who know better and do it anyway are the lowest form of filth there is.
nothing new up under the Sun
All program have dome type of undocumented activities going on! But u can’t get caught with your hands in the Cookie Jar! Looks like my Boys got caught hands, feet, torso and all….
by pragit on Aug 17, 2011 2:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I don’t think there will be a death penalty… that only happened to SMU after shit like this went down, they were punished and warned not to do it again, THEN proceeded to do the same shit again.
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IMO
They’re going to get hit with a bowl ban and loss of a bunch of scholarships… more than USC… it’s really gonna fuck over the entire program though because just when things looked on the upswing with recruiting and the new coach…. they’re going to lose a SHIT LOAD of recruits. Nobody wants to go to a school that can’t play in the postseason, plus they will have less scholarships to give out, and none of those kids are gonna play there while paying for tuition while they can go elsewhere for free. USC only is surviving these penalties because the prestige of the school and success recently. The U used to be about as successful and prestigious as a football program can get but haven’t been great in recent years.
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Did you watch "Pony Excess"...the 30 for 30 ESPN movie?
They shit they were doing was unbelievable. Written contracts for payments!?
Plus, SMU was literally paying players themselves.
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this stuff happens everywhere
I was recruited a bit coming out of highschool and when visiting D3 schools i couldnt tell you how wasted i got on each visit. Twice i was taken to strip clubs, but im not going to name any of these schools, because i never played earning myself a nice knee injury in camp. Not going to name any of these schools though.
PHI "We Know Drama"
by DaaaBirdsDaBirds on Aug 17, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
^ is obviously not on the same scale as what was going on at U though
PHI "We Know Drama"
by DaaaBirdsDaBirds on Aug 17, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
But are you willing to name any of these schools?
Seriously, though. It goes on. We know it goes on.
That doesn’t make it defensible.
Seriously
i do not give a F. They are all paid in some way or another. Some of these guys come from nothing, and i can not blame them for taking some benifits from a sport that we are al entertained by.
TL:DR: The student athlete is dead, and has been so for many years
by Nils_eaglesfan on Aug 17, 2011 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Might wanna edit this one out...
“many current NFL players including… Sean Taylor”
Not sure I would call him a "current’ NFL player…
If anyone is surprised,
they are so ignorant. Thousands of student athletes receive improper benefits, whether is football, baseball, or basketball. Football is just more hyped up in college, and usually the universities are just as accountable as the people offering these benefits.
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RIP JJ
sean taylor
yea sean taylor isn’t a current nfl player.. that might wanna be fixed
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