LOLGiants 8 Reasons why they are the NFC E Fav by KC Joyner
by Joe_D on Aug 16, 2011 7:48 PM EDT
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PrintOk there are arguments and there are STRAIGHT UP REACHES!! You know, like the NFL MVP candidate being lucky and the INT leader being UNLUCKY.
By Dan Graziano
I love a contrarian point of view, and K.C. Joyner's got one here. While everybody is gushing over the Philadelphia Eagles as free-agent champs and NFC East favorites, K.C. has written an Insider piece 
listing eight reasons to think the New York Giants should be the favorites instead. Like I said, it's an Insider piece, so if you want to read it you can either buy the insider subscription or call my cell phone and I'll give you my password.
K.C.'s eight reasons are:
Brian Spurlock/US PresswireSafety Kenny Phillips, 21, now healthy, is among the reasons the Giants could win the NFC East.
1. Michael Vick was lucky last season, as a high percentage of his potential interceptions weren't actually intercepted.
2. Eli Manning was unlucky last season on the opposite end of the same scale.
3. Hakeem Nicks and Mario Manningham are better against good coverage than DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin are.
4. Manning can overcome the loss of Kevin Boss and Steve Smith simply by throwing to Nicks and Manningham more.
5. Jason Pierre-Paul and Marvin Austin will improve the Giants' already strong pass rush.
6. Steve Weatherford is a better punter than Matt Dodge, who cost them games last season.
7. Offensive line coach Pat Flaherty is the best in the NFL, and that should help the transition to the reworked alignment there.
8. Kenny Phillips is fully healthy.
K.C. has numbers to back up many of these points, and many of them are points with which I agree. I think Phillips will be a huge help, agree completely on Weatherford and can easily believe both that Manning will throw fewer interceptions than he did last season and that Vick won't be quite as awesome as he was last season. On the comparison of the two teams' wideouts, I have no reason to doubt K.C.'s numbers.
I have specific issues with points 4, 5 and 7, as follows:
4. I don't think it's as simple as "throw it to Nicks and Manningham more." Nicks and Manningham surely benefited from defenses having to pay attention to Smith, who'd caught 107 balls the season before, when he was on the field. He's gone and has not been replaced.
5. I like Pierre-Paul and Austin fine, but they're not being added to the mix. They're replacing people who have departed. Mathias Kiwanuka moved back from the line to linebacker, and Pierre-Paul will take his spot. Barry Cofield signed with the Redskins, and Austin replaces him. It's a big leap to believe that those two young players will approximate the production and performance of those two veterans and a bigger one to believe they'll improve on it.
7. Flaherty could be a wizard, but if William Beatty isn't ready for the starting left tackle job in his third season in the league, the Giants' line will struggle. And as of right now, we still don't know if he is.
So what do I think of K.C.'s basic thesis? I think the Giants have a very good team as far as the front-line starters go, and I don't think it'd be some huge upset if they won the division. I have all kinds of respect for the work K.C. does and the numbers on which he is basing his conclusions. He makes a strong case and a case worth making amid all the Eagles hype.
But the way I see it, the Giants' problem the past couple of seasons hasn't been one of measurables.
The Giants' defense over the past two seasons has been inconsistent and hasn't always played up to the level of the talent on the roster. The same can be said, in places, for the running game and for Manning. The Giants were good enough to make the playoffs in 2009 and 2010 but didn't, and the reason they didn't was because the good players they have in key spots like that didn't always perform the way the numbers would expect them to perform. Supposedly reliable parts of the roster let them down when it mattered most. Ahmad Bradshaw fumbled. Manning threw interceptions. Kareem McKenzie had an inexplicably bad game against the Titans. Half of the defense quit on its coordinator in 2009.
That's the kind of stuff that doesn't show up in preseason projections, when we're imagining everyone playing as well as they can possibly play and predicting outcomes based on that. If the Giants stay healthy and play 16 games that reflect the talent on their roster, sure, they can be division champs. But that was true last season and the season before, too. And those teams, which looked a lot like this team except maybe deeper, didn't do it.
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I love #4
Manning can just over come the loss of his two favorite targets by throwing to the X and Y WR more… Wow, talk about X’s and Os…
I am going to apply to ESPN very shortly seeing as it doesn’t take any thought to write articles. I hate b usting my ass doing metal roofing when I could be making a probable better salary by writing crap like this.
Seriously, how did ESPN let that article get posted? How? How could you get paid to write that?
ESPN has been BAD before, but this is OFF THE CHARTS SUCK!!!
JoeD AKA The Voice Of Reason
OK I'll be the contrarian.
#4Kevin Boss was not, never was, nor will the TE position ever be Eli’s second favorite target. 32 balls caught last year. 44 is the most he has ever caught. Once Tiki left, the Giants passing game became all about the wideouts.
#5Pierre Paul makes the Giants MUCH better at RDE with spelling OSI. And, barring injury, Marvin Austin is not going to be leaned on at all this season. Tackle duties will be assigned as follows: Canty, Joseph, Bernard, and Tuck on 3rd and long. Austin will be getting reps when the situation allows it. He did not play football all of last year. The Giants don’t need him to play a big role personnel-wise and will develop him.
- I guess we can say we don’t know how good Beatty will be, yeah. But the majority of the evidence from last year suggests he will be good, and his strength and athletic ability point to an upside that says he will be very good. He’s young. Was drafted by an organization that does very well at picking and developing Olinemen, so the burden of proof falls on the naysayers, all things considered.
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
Not sure why it posted that way, but you get the picture.
Let the block quotes begin…
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
the # sign makes that happen
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Giants are gonna fall flat on their face
Bring it on !!! This KC Joyner guy is out of his mind, but it should be good bulletin board material for the Eagles.
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If the Eagles use this as bulletin board material
then the Giants could probably fill the entire stadium with “bulletin board material”
Team Greg Jones
Team JPP
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 16, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
they could..
but that still won’t help them !
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by Eagladelphia on Aug 16, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't need it. Just need to execute.
Week 3 my Philly frenemies.
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I think yours is a well reasoned argument.
Alot of people are not giving the Giants any playoff chances because the Eagles got better. I hate that argument. The Eagles are only 2 games on our schedule. We also play the NFC West, and I think we’re better than Dallas or the Deadskins. I can see us going 10 wins again kind of easily.
As for your arguments, I’m providing not so much rebuttals, but kinda rebuttals haha. As far as #4….
Eli Manning didn’t have Steve Smith for 8 games last year. And Hakeem Nicks for 4 games. Assuming, and this is important, assuming good health, he has Nicks for those 4 games again. Also, we got Domenik Hixon back, who, while not as good as Smith, is better than whoever took SS’s place last year….Derek Hagan and Mark Clayton. Also, Smith woulda missed the first 6 or so games here anyway, and will take some time even when coming back to perform to a higher level. We’ve had the microfracture experience with our players, and it usually takes a year or two to get perfectly healthy.
So while its not a great situation, and while we’d much rather have Smith, it isn’t a doomsday scenario by any stretch of the imagination.
Totally agree with you that the KC Joyner argument for #4 is garbage.
As for argument #5, Kiwanuka has been mentioned as being used as a Joker type player. We don’t use the base formation that often, so you’ll see Kiwi pass rushing in a 2 point stance. He’s still a pass rusher we added to our arsenal, which is better than last year when we didn’t have him at all. He was gone after 3 games. So indeed, he does add to our pass rush arsenal. Also (and can’t take preseason games too seriously) it looks like JPP has taken some big strides and should be a bigger player for us.
As for Austin, your argument is correct, but still not quite right. Austin isn’t replacing Cofield….Linval Joseph is. Joseph didn’t play much at all, but he’s slated as the starter. While Austin is talented, and (solely in my opinion) a beast….its a garbage argument to say that the Giants are NFC East favorites because of their draft picks THIS YEAR. The Eagles also had a draft. For all we know, you guys could have a hall of famer picked out. So using 2011 draft picks is not good reasoning, though, in absolute terms, yes, Austin will help out as part of the rotation.
As for KC Joyner’s final point on Pat Flaherty, I completely and wholeheartedly agree that he is one of THE BEST in the business. Trust me when I say that yes, he is a wizard. You do provide a good argument because Beatty is unproven.
He did play, and played well allowing no sacks before getting hurt, but did cause a high amount of penalties. I expect that to be rectified. If it does, then our OL should be fine. If not, then not.
And on your last bit, nothing you wrote is wrong in my eyes. I completely and wholeheartedly agree. Inconsistency killed this team, and continues to be a problem for it. Right now, and rightfully so, the Eagles are the NFC favorites and will continue to be until the regular season starts and real games start to be played.
Team Greg Jones
Team JPP
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 16, 2011 8:16 PM EDT reply actions
That was graziano
to make the arguments, none o that was me, I dont know how to use this damn quote thing as I’m illiterate. I did write “By Dan Graziano” on the top
BBI – I will give you that the giants are a talented team. They play us tough , they are our biggest rivals and IMO the biggest stepping stone to winning the east.
My point is that, sooo many of these “The eagles are going to suck because _” are not even arguments, they are reaches!!!!
JoeD AKA The Voice Of Reason
oops lol
well, I guess my response was to DG then.
But yeah, I know while you guys have won 6 straight, the games always have been close. Hopefully we make it over the hurdle over this year. You guys obviously are the favorites, but can’t count anything out when it comes to NFC East battles. Should be a fun year, Joe. And yeah, any argument about “Why the Eagles will suck” are garbage because unless there’s someone arrested, or injured, or dead…the eggs have enough pieces in place to be a strong strong contender. With the pieces that you guys have, its ludicrous to suggest you will be anything BUT good. Just how good remains to be seen.
Team Greg Jones
Team JPP
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 16, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Are there Giant fans saying the Eagles will suck?
If so, they are dopes. The same dopes that, IMO, say the Giants suck
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I am with you
I think it won’t be too long before JPP is making us Eagles fans resent picking Graham.
too early to say he's gonna be awesome
but I definitely think he is.
I was real pissed when we took him last year though. Thought he was going to be bust city.
Team Greg Jones
Team JPP
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 16, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
A few things are working in his favor
1- Now that he is the NFL, he has access to a better training program, which will help him bulk up without losing any of his athleticism.
2- Being able to learn from a pro like Tuck will help him develop professionally.
3- He doesn’t have to be the DL savior in NY, they have plenty of guys who can shoulder the load, letting him play without any added pressure.
4- He had some success last year, and success breeds success. Now that he knows he can do it, it should make him work even harder to be the best pass rusher he can be.
I thought he had bust potential as well, but that is being replaced with stud potential.
You could make
The exact same arguments for graham.
Flaming yawn
Sucks that Graham is injured.
Would’ve been fun to see who won the battle of the draft picks this year with DE. Can’t fully analyze Graham’s season this year.
Team Greg Jones
Team JPP
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 17, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably next season or the one after we'll finally be able to compare.
I’m personally glad Philly didn’t invest in JPP.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Sooo
You like having the hurt player (who knows when hell be %100) that you needed to trade a pick for instead of the guy who is not only equal but prob better?
got it.
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Nope,
I don’t think JJP is equal or better. I think that’s up in the air for most people. I just don’t like JPP as a player, he’s very talented and he’s good, but I saw him at USF, he had 1 good year and everybody seemed to love him for it when in reality he wasn’t even the best DE on that squad.
JJP’s going to bust, I’m very sure of it.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Very sure of it. Noted
At least you are not afraid to go out on a limb.
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
I don't think it's a limb though, you guys will see,
he’s probably going to top out this season and never play as well again in his career.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
dunno if you can go and say
he’s probably never going to play as well again because of his sketchy college career. If he produces, he produces, and all signs point towards him producing pretty well
Team Greg Jones
Team JPP
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 18, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think you'll consider this going out on a limb, either.
We will see. :-)
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
I'm a fan of JPP too
At first I thought for SURE bust. How often do athletes with no exp turn into great DEs… I mean the bust list is huge for that, but JPP is going to be a player..
JoeD AKA The Voice Of Reason
We have a good track record of developing DE's
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
I am not a huge Graham fan.
I am also not a big JPP guy, but I can only imagine what JPP would do unleashed in this system.
Q: What do a leaky tampon and Sean McDermott's defense have in common?
A: They are equally ineffective in the red zone.
Ed Wade=all the farm system the Phillies will ever need.
JPP IS GARBAGE
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REALLY
Vick had good luck and Manning had bad luck. I choose the wrong career path.
by Washington Eagle on Aug 16, 2011 8:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 4 recs
I have a really good idea. Let’s clutter up the FanPost section with stuff that should be posted in FanShots.
"Asomugha was only targeted 31 times in 14 games last season. Samuel: 36 times in 11 games."
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Aug 16, 2011 8:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I have a better idea
shut the fuck up..w hat are you the fan shot police? go fuck yourself faggot
JoeD AKA The Voice Of Reason
Forgive me for thinking it’s unfair to the people who actually post quality-pieces here in which they put actual effort into.
"Asomugha was only targeted 31 times in 14 games last season. Samuel: 36 times in 11 games."
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Aug 16, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
But really I think Joe D wants to fuck yourself
And that you’re a faggot.
I’m not sure how he deduced this, but he did. And so it is! And so it shall be told!
Wait a second
Does fucking yourself if you are a man mean that you are a faggot because technically speaking, you just fucked a man?!?
I was wondering this myself
Actually, no I wasn’t. I try not to think about anything Joe D. says.
It makes my day a whole lot more, we’ll say ‘intellectually polished’.
ha ha ha, “intelectually polished,” I’m gonna have to steal that.
by The Reddgie on Aug 16, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
and apparently I need more of it so I can spell “intellectually” correctly.
by The Reddgie on Aug 16, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
And yet we praise EvilBanner when he writes fanposts
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by alcatraz0109 on Aug 16, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s his own content. It’s not like he’s just copying and pasting it from somewhere else.
"Asomugha was only targeted 31 times in 14 games last season. Samuel: 36 times in 11 games."
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Aug 16, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
who gives a fuck if he wants to drop his opinion in the fanshots section who the fuck is gonna stop him?
are you?
"if you’re going to act like bitches, then I will treat you like bitches". - AR
Do you hear that? That's the sound of the media ramming the Miracle at the New Meadowlands down your throat for the rest of your life...BAHAHAHAHA....
by theaction on Aug 16, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Where’s Joe_D’s opinion anywhere in the original post? AND MAYBE I AM!
FanShot Police Extraordinaire!
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Aug 16, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Way to go change your sig line to fanshot police dbag that no one appointed but yourself
thats like everyone calling us the dream team when no one called us the dream team
"if you’re going to act like bitches, then I will treat you like bitches". - AR
Do you hear that? That's the sound of the media ramming the Miracle at the New Meadowlands down your throat for the rest of your life...BAHAHAHAHA....
Thanks!
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Aug 16, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
It's almost like you being a nerdraging asshole for no legitimate reason
And making yourself look like a complete moron in the process!
Beg to differ
I saw VY’s presser. Dream Team it is. Enjoy the….. all of it
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you're right on the money
buncha dorks (mainly the young guys) who want to beat their chest online I guess. Tell people where they want other peoples post togo
BTW philadelphiaeagles, i have had many of my opinionated shots get recced to the top, a lot more than you did or will. so again, go uck yourself, you little queer
JoeD AKA The Voice Of Reason
Speaking of beating your chest online...
i have had many of my opinionated shots get recced to the top, a lot more than you did or will. so again, go uck yourself, you little queer
shut the fuck up..w hat are you the fan shot police? go fuck yourself faggot
You stay classy, Joe_D!
Peace and love,
PE. <3
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Aug 17, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
And if it’s the case that you have so many opinionated shots rec’d to the top, why didn’t you bother adding some opinion in here?
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Aug 17, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...
…the Kolb one was pretty nice, if I do say so myself! A comfortable 3 stars. Not a Rolls Royce, by any stretch, but a nice new Audi.
Q: What do a leaky tampon and Sean McDermott's defense have in common?
A: They are equally ineffective in the red zone.
Ed Wade=all the farm system the Phillies will ever need.
GET EMMMMM!!!!
"if you’re going to act like bitches, then I will treat you like bitches". - AR
Do you hear that? That's the sound of the media ramming the Miracle at the New Meadowlands down your throat for the rest of your life...BAHAHAHAHA....
Because since Joe_D wrote this
We missed out on gems like.
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie’s New Nickname
No Excuses for eagles this year.
But wait we all so missed out on more hits like
Who will get the majority of carries at RB position?
E-A-G-L-E-S eagles in NH?
by greenage on Aug 17, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm on the edge of my seat
waiting for the new Chet Cashley piece.
Team Greg Jones
Team JPP
by BigBlueIntervention on Aug 17, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
This is ok.
If you actually read it you’d realize that he put input and wrote his own shit.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
...Where?
Did you miss the comment above where Joe_D said:
That was graziano to make the arguments, none [of] that was me
?
FanShot Police Extraordinaire!
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Aug 17, 2011 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh my bad then.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
OK
Giants are better
Dallas better
Redskins better
Im bored. Who the fuck cares? I never voted that I even think KC is a legitimate human being and deserves rights. His opinion means nothing. He could die tomorrow and I wouldn’t care. Im not upset at KC. He gets his opinion. I just don’t get why people care what someone else thinks. It’s in his professional opinion that the Eagles stink. Just because you are employed doesn’t mean you are a professional. “fuck em’! with hand cuffs on and crazy glue on your lips” – Rest in piece bernie mac.
Joe Banner is Evil Banners father. Kinda like Luke and Darth Vader.
Juan Castillo switching from the offensive line coach to Defensive coordinator is soooo dumb it might just work.
by MightyJoeBanner on Aug 16, 2011 8:44 PM EDT reply actions
Because he's a professional sports writer for one of the largest sports entertainment companies
in the world…. And he wrote something a sixth grader could’ve wrote.. if he backed it up with some stats or something like that, then fine. But that is by far the worst piece I have ever seen on ESPN
JoeD AKA The Voice Of Reason
To be fair to KC
he did use stats. Whether those stats are legitimate or prove his point is a different argument altogether, but he did use stats.
You must have missed the
Blue jays stealing signs in CF bleachers, and signalling a batter over 400 feet away, all in the time BEFORE a pitcher begins his wind up. That was the worst atrocity I have read on EPSN in quite some time for how ridiculous it was and how it had ZERO evidence.
Can we please get something more clever than LolGiants? I keep seeing it and it needs to go.
He's slick, he's quick, he's Michael Vick.
75% of the Earth is covered by water, the rest by Nnamdi Asomugha.
Unfortunately, like the spelling of “Maclyn”, its going to stay and get beaten into the ground until we get to China
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by alcatraz0109 on Aug 16, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
There we go!
A valid way to win an argument, according to Joey Deeznutz.
Finally! It sure did take me long enough.
How about “Uminenyorianary Tract Infection?” It seems appropriate.
Q: What do a leaky tampon and Sean McDermott's defense have in common?
A: They are equally ineffective in the red zone.
Ed Wade=all the farm system the Phillies will ever need.
by EvilBanner on Aug 16, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
that is funny
seriously
Let's agree to disagree - right after you admit that you're completely wrong.
There’s a couple things he’s ignoring in his article, I’ll start with his 8 points…
1 and 2 seem valid, although Manning has always made plays that make us wonder why he was a #1 pick. He’ll make some of those this year too. I don’t recall Vick ever doing that last year, but could be wrong.
3 doesn’t cut the mustard with me. If Jackson and Maclin are covered, Vick can throw to Celek/McCoy/Avant/Smith. If they are covered, he can run. If Jackson and/or Maclin are open, it can very easily be 6 points right then and there. Manning simply doesn’t have the weapons around him to do that, and esp. against a team with good CBs and now with no TE security blanket to fall back on, I see this offense struggling at times.
4 may be right, but not immediately. Manning seems to have a security blanket. It was Boss last year, Smith the year before and before that it was Burress. I don’t know how many times I was screaming for the Eagles to double whoever Manning’s blanket was at the time only to watch him throw to him time and time again and light them up. He’ll find one again this year, but not immediately.
5 sure.
6 In very rare circumstances to punters win games. There’s a reason why very few are drafted.
7 The Eagles just got, some would argue, the best OL coach of all time in Mudd this year. I also like the talent level of the OL of the Eagles more, even if the depth may still be a bit shaky.
8 Sure.
My biggest problem with this is that the author is assuming that the Giants are the best team in the division. The Eagles won this division last year, and unless you think the Giants had a better offseason then the Eagles, you’re starting point has to have the Eagles ahead of the Giants. So unless you think that a better punter and some better luck trumps not having the talent the Eagles do, you have to consider the Eagles the favorite for this division.
6/23/11- It will only be known as Black Thursday
1 and 2. Vick playoffs vs Packers(play that ended the game.)
3. check the stats its true.
4. true but WSS..
5. check
6. See J Feagles… Weatherford set the record for punts inside the 20 and was stella inside the 10.
7. I said it before ill say it again . Vick could make the 90s Cowboy lines look bad. P Flat is outstanding Oline will be fine..
8. check.
Your biggest problem = They said the same about the 2007 and 2008 Giants.. result SB & a 11-5 first place finish. Even better if not for Plax.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Sex is like math. Add the bed, Subtract the clothes, divide the legs ... And pray to god you don't multiply!!
your really gonna say that on a hail mary?
check the stats its true.
he’s saying Vick has more targets so if the receivers are covered he’ll throw it somewhere else instead of force it and throw a pick (See 1 & 2)
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
R2C2!
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Aug 17, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
My understanding of a" hail marry" was 50 yds or better with no particular target.
he’s saying Vick has more targets so if the receivers are covered he’ll throw it somewhere else instead of force it and throw a pick (See 1 & 2)
True but Eli isn’t exactly barren of them and he has always found new ones.. Boss, SS12, Nicks, Mario….
Thanks bri!
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Sex is like math. Add the bed, Subtract the clothes, divide the legs ... And pray to god you don't multiply!!
#1
Man…I’m sick of people ripping on Vick. Fuck em. Nobody considers that he didn’t even get reps with the first team in camp!
Nobody considers that he just got his legs back last year!
NObody considers that he spent two years away from the league.
Nobody considers that he has had a complete attitude transformation.
Nobody considers that he, along with his precocious supporting cast, may actually have IMPROVED skillwise since last year.
I really hope Vick tears it up this year. Fuck KC Joyner you biased prick
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Yeah but nobody likes him
And if he was a Giant/Cowboy/Redskin you would root hard as hell to see his supposedly reformed ass fail
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
false
Why did he get cheered in Atlanta then? Tons of people like Vick because, despite his transgressions, he is one of the most talented athletes of our generation. People don’t like to see wasted talent.
As for the second part of what you said:
Giants- I root for all Giants to fail besides Mario Manningham (go blue), and even him I am just neutral on. So, yes, if Vick played for NY, I’d root for him to fail.
Cowboys- see what I wrote for the giants.
Redskins- who cares?
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
your right tanman, not everybody hates him.
Sorry, but this just popped in my head: Satan has worshippers too.
Not trying to compare, or troll, that one is for a little comic relief. :-)
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I think he's back to being liked.
He was the biggest draw in the league last year and it was not all hate and curiosity by the end of the year.
Flaming yawn
He was arguably
The biggest draw in the league before going to prison, too
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
And that may be not only because he's an exciting player, but he is also polarizing and some are rooting hard for his failure
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Dislike doesn’t predicate failure.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
No, it most definitely does not.
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
read the GQ piece
Vick definitely did NOT have a ’complete attitude transformation…not even close.
Let's agree to disagree - right after you admit that you're completely wrong.
I honestly don't care.
The Eagles have a talent level unmatched by anybody at the moment (sure some teams specific groups stack up well but all around talent ehh) and with that talent we have great guys who want to see it work.
If our LB’s are even solid and our OL holds together a little better than they did last season then we’re going to be a very good team.
Giant’s didn’t improve on paper, the Cowboys didn’t improve on paper, the LOLskins however improved quite a bit on paper…
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Lol @ Potential interceptions.
I don’t know how to approach that “stat”. Is he saying, “If a defender was in the area that Vick threw an incompletion it would be intercepted”? And of course, luck, not skill, has everything to do with your season.
I'm not going to even pretend I didn't see those passes fall off the Defenders hands.
There were a good 4-5 passes I saw where Vick hit the defender right in the hands and they Defender just didn’t catch it.
I know they were there, I know they weren’t picks so I don’t know how to count them except to say Vick needs to watch that.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Plenty of issues
1. This is like playing the “what if” game; the FACT of the matter is that Vick was not intercepted on those throws and I am sure that the metric used for potential balls that should be intercepted is the same metric that can be used to measure the TD’s that should have been caught as well.
2. If a pass is thrown and it is tipped, redirected, or what ever and a defender TRIES to catch the ball that is not bad luck. A tipped ball is intended to be tipped. If the ball bounces off a WR’s helmet, chances are he was not expecting it or it was a bad throw, not bad luck. If a ball goes through a WR’s hands that is not bad luck. A lot of the bad luck interceptions came as a result of either the D making it happen or Offensive players having a bad game or lack or focus/ concentration… not luck.
3. So Vick has no one else to throw the ball to? The counter argument to this is that Jax is faster then almost anyone else in the league and Maclin runs better routes then Manningham.
4. How is this even valid? Well I lost a pro bowl slot receiver to the Eagles so I will throw to my other two guys who are super covered more. I can understand Boss being replaceable with minimal effect. So half a point stands in his favor.
5. Remains to be seen JPP and MA are filling some pretty big shoes so this is a wait and see.
6. If you punter is loosing you games you were not in a great spot to begin with.
7. Same could be said about Mudd; not a point t hat makes them (Giants) a favorite in my book
8. And Vick is fully healthy, and Jax, is fully healthy, and so are a lot of other players. This argument is stupid as it infers that the Eagles had no major injuries last year. Sure KP helps a lot but last time I checked he was not a superstar game changer. Let us keep a guys worth to a team in perspective here.
you forget that footballs don't
bounce off of Giants players’ helmets.
#85…18-1
Let's agree to disagree - right after you admit that you're completely wrong.
I took that into
consideration and realized that is a David T. thing who happens to no longer be with your team
regarding 6
Can’t I say the same thing about Jackson? You beat us by a punt returned for a TD. You should have never been in a position to need that.
Let's agree to disagree - right after you admit that you're completely wrong.
Actually that is
Not really a valid counter point the punter coasting you one game okay happens understandable but he said “Games” as in plural or more then one.
1. u mad bro?
2. really? (see 3)
3. More Targets = less yards per person = less forced throws = less interceptions
4. Less Targets = more forced throws = more interceptions
5. Time will tell
6. Lolpunters
7. There are like 5 best OL coaches in the League
8. Who? Giants Na Brown award winner?
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
R2C2!
RIP JJ
The packers are lucky and the Redskins were unlucky
Formerly number5
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
RIP JJ
I thought the Packers were lucky to some Eagles' fans, no?
Isn’t that why you lost to them in the playoffs?
Let's agree to disagree - right after you admit that you're completely wrong.
I just realized...
Are you now attaching the LOL before Giants like many do for the Skins?
I will be at the season opener NYG @ WAS with a few friends. If you are going and feel like looking up a fellow BBVer and having some fun, let me know.
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