DeSean Jackson Says Steve Smith Signing Was "Insurance" For Maclin
by JasonB on Aug 14, 2011 12:17 PM EDT
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PrintBefore we get into this, I wanted to mention the "pay DeSean" chants at Eagles camp yesterday. Jackson practiced for the first time and clearly the fans were excited and want him around for a long time. After practice he was asked about the Steve Smith signing, a question that Les Bowen guessed was implying that it could be used as leverage against him in a contract negotiation. If that was the point of the question, DeSean didn't get it. He had another idea why.
"The reason why they picked him up is they're unsure of Maclin's health."
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what does desean have to gain by making this comment?
is he purposely trying to piss reid off or just not thinking? he has to know that management likes to keep things in house.
by awd777 on Aug 14, 2011 12:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think he thought he was gaining some PR points by not saying that they brought Smith in because they were worried about whether they’d be able to re-sign him (Jackson).
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by AnthroEagle on Aug 14, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he was just answering a question with what he thinks is the truth.
And like I said, I don’t think he’s revealing any inside info here.
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you're right...
i just find it bizarre that desean is in the middle of major contract negotiations and yet he’s making comments that could potentially anger his superiors.
by awd777 on Aug 14, 2011 12:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would think the Desean has a little more insight on Maclin’s illness than you and I would. He knew what he was saying.
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by Eagladelphia on Aug 14, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes I’m sure he does, but I still don’t think the Eagles discuss their reasons for doing anything with him.
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Ha ha, that’s true, you’re right that we don’t know when Smith will be ready, so the whole insurance thing is not clear right now… but there is a lot more to Maclin’s illness than the Eagles claim that they know…
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by Eagladelphia on Aug 14, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
They just wanted more
Depth…is my opinion…and the fact that they arent sure about Maclin has to be part of that decision….
Who else could they have gotten thats an upgrade on Cooper and Avant for “insurance”?? They tried Moss a few weeks back, that didnt work out…. Smith was about the only option left….hurt or not hurt…
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They didn't try Moss
That was a false rumor. Unless you mean Sinorice.
Wouldn't Cooper be an option
to fill in for Maclin? I thought Smith was more of a slot guy?
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What happened
to Avant being the best slot receiver in the NFL? I know you have both of them now, it’s just kind of funny how people’s opinions change when they’re all giddy.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 14, 2011 12:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
And don't try to interrupt our giddiness..
But you’re right, it is kind of funny how other fans can’t stand what our team is doing…
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by Eagladelphia on Aug 14, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone likes the potentiality of something new….pretty much applies to everything in life
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by BWestFactor on Aug 14, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think Smith is a starter here. He’s behind Jackson, Maclin, and Avant. He’s got Cooper beat for the #4 spot due to experience, but if he keeps having a great preseason I could see Smith dropped below him as well.
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by AnthroEagle on Aug 14, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
At his current health
of course. Completely healthy, he’s the third receiver. Not even a question. Of course if he’s completely healthy the Giants would have given him an extension last year. But this about what is, not what could be.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 14, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Even at full health it’ll be a good competition between Smith and Avant. Smith is faster and quicker, but Avant plays a little bigger and has great hands.
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Smith's hands are fantastic
but a big part of his route running is fast cuts, curls, and stopping to settle into space. It’s just a fact that you do not play as well the first year aftr microfracture surgery, so he may never have the quicks that he used to. Hopefully he doesn’t push himself too fast trying to justify the Eagles’ signing him, and do further damage to his knee.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 14, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno about that. If healthy, Steve Smith is a better player than Avant hands down.
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Yeah I love Avant as much as the next fan
but all things being equal, I’d find a way to get Steve Smith on the field first.
Anyway, good problems to have. 3-4-5 WR sets will look great, and when they can cover everyone, Vick or Young will run … And we have two talented RBs as well, and options at T should someone get hurt and/or stink.
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There’s no opinion change. If anyone sticks Steve Smith in the slot, they’ve got the best slot WR in the NFL. He’s got Avant’s hands and route running ability with more speed.
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by JasonB on Aug 14, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Once again DeSean says something without really thinking about it.
In other news the sky is still blue…unless your in Philly in which it is currently a shade of gray.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
by EREX21 on Aug 14, 2011 12:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
raining?
Never call a Phillies, Eagles, Flyers or Sixers fans, a band-wagoner. It is disrespectful. We have suffered agony through the years. Philadelphians should be jovial for their teams' success.
by chillyphilly on Aug 14, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
It was pouring earlier when I drove through Philly to get back to Harrisburg. It’s somewhat sunny here though but I heard Philly was still getting rain.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Pouring since last night in Bethlehem
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by Eagladelphia on Aug 14, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
What were the other times he said something without thinking?
by Eaglesadvocate on Aug 14, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I do actually haha. Most of it’s nonsense, but nothing inflammatory. The only really regrettable thing I can think of is the “sting they azz” comment from two years ago.
by Eaglesadvocate on Aug 14, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Off topic, but I’m watching Training Camp Live, and Anthony Hargrove is a guy I’m really rooting for. Crazy life story he has.
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by immynimmy on Aug 14, 2011 1:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
He has a refreshing perspective…
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by Eagladelphia on Aug 14, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s a great guy. Living outside of New Orleans, I got to hear alot about his story and was happy to hear he signed with us. Everyone around here says we got a solid player, and were sad to see him go.
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by EaglesandRavensFan on Aug 14, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know.
Good college player gets drafted. Gets money. Buys drugs. Runs out of money. Goes to rehab. Signs with Saints. Gets money. Wins Superbowl.
I think I’m going to cheer for someone like Phillip Hunt, who’s life story is more respectable. Work your ass off in Canada football. Get a once in a life time chance in the NFL. If Hunt doesn’t make it, he won’t get 3 more chances like Hargrove did.
Sorry, if I’m being harsh.. that’s just how I see it.
that is very harsh lol
but Hargrove is a far more talented player than Hunt. And he does a lot to try and show he’s a different person and I don’t feel like your giving him the credit he deserves. Yes he made bad decisions, but Vick’s were worse IMO. Far Worse. He has a humbling story and it’s nice to see somebody redeem their life like he has.
by phillyfan330 on Aug 14, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s fine, there’s no reason to compare him to Vick. I’m a Vick fan because of his play on the field. And I’ll cheer for Hargrove if he shows talent too. But he’s not someone I’m going to “root” for to make the team… just doesn’t fall into that category for me.
thats fine i respect your opinion and perspective
I’m also a die hard Vick fan I didn’t mean that to put him down in any way. They bpth have great comback stories.
by phillyfan330 on Aug 17, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I think Antonio Dixon is your 'hardest life' winner
I don’t see any shame in rooting for Hargrove, as he did it to himself, then overcame. But that’s not unlike Vick.
Although his brother getting shot — the brother who helped get him off drugs — that deserves some sympathy.
BL, I really like how certain guys are handling themselves in the now. The Eagles are a group I can get behind.
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Oh yeah, I can see how many comment could be misunderstood. I don’t want to take anything away from Vick/hargrove and others who have changed their lives around. I’m just a little too amped up over fighting for those last roster spots and Hargrove’s lived the high life (literally and figuratively with the superbowl) already. Wish there was room for everyone.. what a crazy rotation on the DLine that would be!
It really makes no sense. If Maclin misses any games it’s going to be the first two or three weeks. That’s the time that Smith is likely to be out.
Lucky for us, DeSean does not work in the front office.
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No offense to DeSean, but I really doubt he has any idea about the football operations of the Eagles. If they’re picking up an injured receiver who may or may not return to his previous form as insurance for Maclin, who is an entirely different kind of receiver, then we should be worried about our front office.
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by Euler.is.a.Pimp on Aug 14, 2011 1:18 PM EDT reply actions
I don’t think the Eagles FO thinks so linearly as to think of guys as simply “insurance for Maclin” or “leverage against DeSean”.
They saw Pro Bowl talent that could be had for a fair price without a long term commitment. If he works out in their system, then he minimally provides the depth necessary for a successful season and deep playoff run. Even if Maclin had not come down with his “mono-like” illness, injuries are likely to happen at some point — or maybe DeSean never comes to terms for a new contract — so Smith provides insurance for any of the WRs, not just a single player.
Great poitns
The Eagles are like stock investors, they want to buy everything low and sell high (or not re-buy high) to maximize return. They begrudingly pay what they believe is fair.
I don’t think the Eagles believe they can ever have too much talent. They’ll sign as much as they can for the money they’re allowed, which basically translates to they go as hard in the front office as we ask our players to on the field. Inevitably, players and front offices make mistakes, but you don’t want them to be from lack of effort.
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At his point, it is a possibility that Smith will see the field before Maclin. When Maclin showed up at Lehigh, most of us figured his ailments were behind him and certainly did not expect he would be leaving camp within a week for further testing. Since there has been no official word from the Eagles regarding Maclin’s condition, we can only speculate. However it was no secret when Curtis was diagnosed with testicular cancer, so for us fans to speculate on the severity of Mac’s condition is justified.
While I think DJ’s quote regarding the signing of Smith was likely said without any inside knowledge on his part, I do wonder if Smith would have been signed if Maclin was at camp since day 1 without any health issues.
i think Jackson omited a word
This is insurance for Maclins longterm health.
He signed a 1 year deal. Okay. You’ve never seen Philly offer an extension or resign deals? Smith probably refused to sign more than 1 year deal anyway. If he’s healthy, he’ll get paid.
If whatever Maclin has turns out to be long-term and he has to change priorities in his life (and I truly hope this isn’t the case) being Smith’s redemption case gives us he inside track on keeping him long term.
Not to mention, if if it a very serious illness, having steve smith back by week 6 would be a godsend.
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by corn on the kolb on Aug 14, 2011 1:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
You sir, are a fucking genius!!!
This is insurance for Maclins longterm health.
If I had to bet, which I don’t, but if I had to, then this would be what I put my money on.
by The Reddgie on Aug 15, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I have no quarrel with signing Smith for insurance for during the playoffs. He could play in either the slot or outside in the Eagles offense. I do not expect the magic-in-space plays that one gets from Jackson, but opposing defenses have to respect him wherever he lines up on the field.
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A diagnosis does not take 3+ months
especially if you have doctors on around the clock as does maclin
I assumed that everyone pretty much thought that they signed Smith as insurance for Maclin. The Eagles haven’t made it clear what is really wrong with Maclin, but they have made it pretty clear that they don’t expect him to play for a while. Nothing wrong with cheap depth, especially when it comes at the expense of the Giants. Our reciever corps is shaping up to be scary good once they’re all healthy. A top 4 of D-Jac, J-Mac, Smith, and Avant is hard to top.
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And Riley Cooper doesn't stink.
I’m almost apt to say the 6th WRs could contribute too, even if only as RSs.
Great point here though:
Nothing wrong with cheap depth, especially when it comes at the expense of the Giants.
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Steve Smith is insurance for DeSean Jackson?
wow, I thought Eagles’ fans thought Steve Smith was overrated. But he’s good enough to replace Mr. DeSean Jackson.
Well, if you guys let him go in favor of Steve Smith… My GMen better sign DeSean Jackson.
I’m not positive the giants could afford to sign Tito Jackson, much less DeSean.
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by corn on the kolb on Aug 14, 2011 2:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Have you been reading the comments? Did you read the post? Nobody’s saying he is insurance for Jackson — nobody. And nobody thinks he’s better than Jackson or Maclin.
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After practice he was asked about the Steve Smith signing, a question that Les Bowen guessed was implying that it could be used as leverage against him in a contract negotiation.
“Leverage against Jackson” is almost the same as “insurance for jackson”. Really nitpicking words here, I’m pretty sure he read the article just like we did and was replying to what Les was trying to imply (yes, les is stupid).
GoffAttack cleary didn't even read the article
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Mine DeSean!
Hands off.
The difference in this situation is that the Eagles will make their low offers while they have leverage, i.e. DeSean under contract. They would buckle before it ever got to free agency where the Giants could even be in the mix.
No chance DeSean hits the open market anytime soon. It’s just how long is he here for and at what price?
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Depth = Insurance
In general I agree with most of the comments. Smith good be an undervalued asset that happens to play a position where the two starters are behind schedule. The Eagles are likely more concerned about late season games than early ones, as Smith needs to learn the system and get healthy. Jackson has missed multiple games with injury and since his game is all speed any issues make him a shell of himself.
I think having Smith on PUP is a great delayed roster spot. I do not see him as undervalued because I see him has a huge risk and he got guaranteed money. But Eagles can probably manage with Avant or Cooper for a few games. The problem I have is that I see Smith as the same as Avant: possession receiver who is not really a playmaker. I do not see Smith as a reasonable replacement for Maclin or Jackson, especially coming off injury.
desean
just isn’t really that smart. I really think that’s what it came down to. This may be what he thinks and was a knee jerk response, but who cares. He has no idea truly why smith was signed. It could have been multiple reasons. former probowler, former giant, low risk, high reward etc. etc. last i checked, desean played football and isn’t the smartest, i dont see him having a career in the front office later
by ghostofcunningham on Aug 14, 2011 3:46 PM EDT reply actions
maclin
how hasn’t his illness been released, or leaked, or something in some way or another? unless it’s still the mono or something
by ghostofcunningham on Aug 14, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
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by ghostofcunningham on Aug 14, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
im sure "ron mexico" did too
but that got out….i just hope he gets better, whatever it is, and it’s not career threatening
by ghostofcunningham on Aug 14, 2011 3:57 PM EDT reply actions
Jackson is speculating. It makes no sense to bring in an insurance player who is likely to miss a third or half of the season. That is, of course, unless the Eagles think Maclin may miss the whole year, thus giving them some more depth come the second half and for playoffs, if necessary.
I suppose it isn’t out of the question since we still do not know what Maclin’s prognosis is. At this point I do not expect him to be ready by Week 1, but I do not think Smith will be either, thus he is not an immediate Plan B.
It always seemed to me that Smith was signed because of doubts about Maclin’s health. The limited info that the team has released on #18 is definitely quite odd. To be clear, I’m not buying the crazy cancer rumours – the man was doing some training after all – but this is not your run of the mill sports injury. Untill there’s a clear diagnosis I’m assuming he’s out for the immediate future.
So why bring in a player who’ll likely miss the opener? Because we’re tilting hard at a super bowl run. The team should be good enough to get through a weak looking schedule without either WR, but hopefully one or both are good to go by crunch time.
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