How the Eagles turned Kelly Holcomb, A.J. Feeley, Donovan McNabb and Kevin Kolb into Jeremy Maclin, three defensive starters, the best 3rd CB in the game, and 2 picks
by JimmyK on Aug 13, 2011 8:48 AM EDT
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PrintAt one point during the 2007 offseason, the Eagles had the following QBs on the roster: Donovan McNabb, rookie (at the time) Kevin Kolb, A.J. Feeley, and Kelly Holcomb. Four years later, all 4 QBs are no longer Eagles, but they would eventually become Jeremy Maclin, Nate Allen, Jamar Chaney, Casey Matthews, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, a 2nd round pick in 2012, and a 4th round pick in 2012. Here's how:
Kelly Holcomb became Jeremy Maclin instead of whoever the Eagles would have selected at 21st overall in the 2009 draft:
- Remember Kelly Holcomb? You probably don't, because he never took a snap with the Eagles. In March of 2007, the Eagles traded Darwin Walker and a conditional 2008 pick for Takeo Spikes and Kelly Holcomb.
- Just 4 months later, the Eagles then traded Holcomb to the Vikings for a 6th round pick two years later in the 2009 draft.
- With the Browns on the clock at pick #19 in the 2009 draft, the Eagles traded up from 21 to 19, and only had to give up a 6th round pick to do so. That 6th round pick was the one the Eagles acquired in the Kelly Holcomb trade.
- With the 19th pick in the 2009 draft, the Eagles selected Jeremy Maclin.
A.J. Feeley ultimately became Jamar Chaney:
- In March of 2004, the Eagles traded A.J. Feeley for a 2nd round pick in the 2005 draft.
- With that 2nd round pick in 2005, the Eagles selected Reggie Brown.
- After a promising start to his career, Brown fizzled out and in March of 2010, the Eagles traded Brown to the Buccaneers for a 6th round pick in the 2011 draft.
- In the 7th round of the 2010 draft, the Lions were on the clock, and the Eagles saw a player they liked in Jamar Chaney. They traded their 2011 6th round pick acquired in the Reggie Brown trade for Detroit's pick in the 7th, and selected Chaney.
- After a few disappointing seasons in Miami, Feeley would actually return to Philly in 2006 to serve once again as Donovan McNabb's backup.
Donovan McNabb became Nate Allen, Casey Matthews, and a 4 in 2012:
- In April of 2010, the Eagles traded McNabb to the Redskins for the 37th overall pick in the 2010 draft, and a 4th round pick that could become a 3rd round pick if McNabb accomplished any one of a number of benchmarks, which he did not.
- With the 37th overall pick in the 2010 draft, the Eagles selected Nate Allen.
- With the 4th rounder the Eagles acquired from the Redskins, the Eagles were able to acquire an extra 4th round pick in 2012 from the Buccaneers, and only had to move back 12 spots from 104 to 116 to do so.
- With that 116th overall pick, the Eagles selected Casey Matthews.
- They still have a 4th round pick in the 2012 draft stemming from this trade.
Kevin Kolb became Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and a 2nd round pick in 2012:
- In July of 2011, the Eagles traded Kolb to the Cardinals for Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and a 2nd round pick in 2012.
- The Eagles now have a total of 10 picks already in the 2012 draft, and oh yeah, their current QB is still pretty good.
That's what you call maximizing the return on all of your assets. Simply outstanding.
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Good points and all, Jimmy, just to note...
My editor brain started to fire when I saw this line:
“- With the 4th rounder the Eagles acquired in the 4th round, the Eagles were able to acquire an extra 4th round pick in 2012 from the Buccaneers, and only had to move back 11 spots from 104 to 116 to do so.”
4th rounder in the 4th & 104 → 116 is 12.
Sorry, I can’t help it. Dumb editing classes.
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Oops, fixed. That whole sentence was a debacle.
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That explains why my editor brain didn't notice it
Was starting to think I fell off.
Good post btw
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by Dunta Is A PUNK on Aug 14, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
great article!
anyone who thinks this FO is not excellent is a moron…
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…I think there are a few delusional Giants/Cowboys fans out there.
It'd be one thing if we targeted a bunch of high ego low character guys
but come on, we picked up very intelligent and, for lack of a better word, nice players. If we had gotten a bunch of show boating me first guys, then it’d be a situation to be skeptical about. Also, whats these players talking about, “Man I can’t wait/wish to shut Philly up.”
I wasn’t aware we were already gloating and talking shit to other teams? Aside from the dream team comment being taken out of context, I haven’t heard anyone in our organization put us on a pedestal. If anything, we’ve put the Packers on a pedestal when our guys mention them and how much of a quality team they are and whatnot. Yet thats talking shit?
I’m talking about Jerimichael Finley when I say this cause I recall a tweet in which he said something like that. Dude needs to either understand who said something and what they said before he gets smacked on the field.
Great Risk Became Huge Reward:
Without the signing of Michael Vick, a lot of this might not have happened.
great risk?
not so sure… he seemed like a really low-risk high pickup move at the time.
by igglemethis on Aug 13, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Big risk
In the fact of the fan/PR backlash. Not financially.
by Smitty2K3 on Aug 13, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, I can see that. I wasn’t pleased. And wasn’t happy when we didn’t trade him before last year…. Shame on me.
by igglemethis on Aug 13, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
You weren't alone
Just goes to show how much we need to praise this FO. They make their share of mistakes, but they’re definitely right more often than not.
And they’ve proved they’re doing everything they possible can to get this city a championship.
by Smitty2K3 on Aug 13, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's fair
You’re right, they haven’t been flawless, nobody is, but I like the new Banner-Roseman-Reid regime in that they’re
1) not afraid to acknowledge mistakes (Mike Bell midseason trade)
2) would rather get rid of a player a bit too soon than have them hang on too long (took me a while to learn to appreciate that)
3) Are willing to take risks when they see value others do not
It’s been a fun ride. I really hope for their sake (as well as all the other reasons I want to see it happen) that they are rewarded.
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I wanted Vick from the start.
The public’s back lashing was the day I realized animals have more rights than certain people.
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by chillyphilly on Aug 14, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow, this is what you call great fo management
My mojo so dope. BITCH!
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The hell could you let kelly holcomb go?
As predicted, this new kickoff rule sucks. A lot
Cowboys are eerily lurking around quietly
heh
I read the title as “the 3rd best CB in the game” and started reading expecting to learn something about how we got AS. I guess I never realized that right now we have both the 3rd best CB in the game and the best 3rd CB in the game.
now that I think about it
I guess we also have the 2nd best CB in the game and the best 2nd CB in the game, too.
by igglemethis on Aug 13, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes
We have the 2nd best CB in the game, the 3rd best CB in the game, the best 3rd CB in the game, and the best starting CB corps in the game.
I was worrying about the LB corps while watching the preseason game… and then I realized how nice of a feeling it is to only have to worry about the LB corps.
by igglemethis on Aug 13, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
That is a great, great point
that maybe gets lost on some of us.
We had a handful of worries after last season (RCB, RG/RT, more pass rush, No. 2 QB to replace Kolb, No. 2 RB to replace Harrison, contingency plans if Graham/Allen/Justice aren’t healthy) and we literally addressed all of them.
So yeah, the LBs are young. As are the safeties.
Also, you ever notice how the quality control guy at training camp blows the 5-minute whistle at like 5:07 sometimes?
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We've certainly patented the QB fleece.
That’s why I was kind of disappointed VY was on a one year deal, w/o a team option for a second. Would have been nice to flip him next offseason for another pick or player.
he really wants a starting job, though… I can’t see him taking a multi-year deal to be a backup. Don’t worry about it… we’ll be trading Kafka to the Seahawks soon enough.
by igglemethis on Aug 13, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
- With the Bills on the clock at pick #19 in the 2009 draft, the Eagles traded up from 21 to 19, and only had to give up a 6th round pick to do so. That 6th round pick was the one the Eagles acquired in the Kelly Holcomb trade.
I’m pretty sure it was the browns on the clock, that was the year they traded down like 4 times in the first round.
Let's get it Birds.
In March of 2004, the Eagles traded A.J. Feeley for a 2nd round pick in the 2005 draft.
Can someone please tell me how the hell we did this. To this day this amazes me. I understand he was great when McNabb went down, but seriously.
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so, who do you think we would have taken at 21?
here’s the rest of the first round:
20 Brandon Pettigrew TE
21 Alex Mack C
22 Percy Harvin WR
23 Michael Oher OT
24 Peria Jerry DT
25 Vontae Davis CB
26 Clay Matthews LB
27 Donald Brown RB
28 Eric Wood C
29 Hakeem Nicks WR
30 Kenny Britt WR
31 Chris Wells RB
32 Evander “Ziggy” Hood DT
Who do we take? Another WR? I still think it was the right move to go up and get Maclin, but the other WRs in the first round all turned out well. I can’t see us taking Matthews that high, and Oher seems like an Eagles pick there. Since we didn’t know about the headaches at that point, I’d guess Oher or Harvin…
Oher, Nicks, or Vontae Davis would’ve probably been our 3 options imo. I don’t think we would’ve taken Percy. Not with Desean already being here.
remember, when we picked Maclin, the complaint was that he was too similar to Jackson
by igglemethis on Aug 13, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but looking back......
I’m taking Oher or Nicks.
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by birdsflyinhigh2590 on Aug 13, 2011 1:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Come on
knowing AR, it would have been Eric Wood, the guy none of us would have expected, without a doubt.
Honestly it would probably be Eric Wood or Alex Mack...
Reid loves the OL and they were really good prospects coming out.
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not so sure… CB wasn’t a glaring hole at that time.
by igglemethis on Aug 13, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
sheldon got traded the next season so it could have been a good possibility
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I think Vontae or Oher
When in doubt, always draft CB, DL, OL or QB
Amazing how many of those guys have already panned out
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I remember thinking Beanie Wells when they were on the clock. The Eagles hadn’t drafted McCoy yet.
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I remember discussing that draft a lot on BGN
Most people wanted Knowshon until it became pretty clear he was going to go around the No. 12 range where Denver got him.
Now that I think about it, we’d done our due diligence on McCoy, Donald Brown and Wells as well as Know. And then Will Beatty and all the T prospects, because Justice hadn’t had his good year yet.
As it turned out, we got a guy in the 2nd a lot of us would’ve been happy with late in the first, and then Maclin as a bonus.
And then we traded all our picks for 5ths, right? Yay Macho & Ingram!
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Patriots and Packers might argue
Steelers and Colts. And Ravens.
But point taken, they’re cold kickin ass.
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I wonder if Jerry Jones ever looks in a mirror and wonder why he can’t do this.
I bet it keeps him up at night.
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by corn on the kolb on Aug 13, 2011 11:24 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Isn’t this similar to Eric T’s post?!
"Asomugha was only targeted 31 times in 14 games last season. Samuel: 36 times in 11 games."
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Aug 13, 2011 11:33 AM EDT reply actions
Haha, are you calling me a plagiarizer, Spuds? If you’ll notice in Eric’s post, he references a similar one written by me. Been writing these for years.
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by JimmyK on Aug 13, 2011 12:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Are you calling me a Spuds, plagiarizer?! No, just didn’t realize that, and they were so similar, sorry. :(
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Aug 13, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha, no worries. Just playing.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Aug 13, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
More like Toni Saragusa.
J/k lol
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by corn on the kolb on Aug 13, 2011 4:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Amyone Else
Looking forward to seeing in 2 years:
Eagles traded Mike Kafka to the Bufffalo Bills for a 2nd round pick in 2014.
This is yet another example
of why the draft philosophies of “Best Player Available” and “Quantity over Quality” result in the best draft classes.
Some cry about turning a 2nd rd pick into multiple later round picks, but those later round picks are the ones that provide multiple starters like Chaney, Matthews, et al.
Some cry when we select a QB in the 2nd rd when we had perceived need at other positions. But that QB’s value, when flipped, results in a former 1st rd CB who’s already been to HA with “Sky’s the Limit” potential AND a 2nd rd pick that could very well end up in the top third of the round.
Kolb was not the 'best player available by a wide margin, though
In fact, to this day I believe the drafting of Kolb was one incredibly well-planned, elaborate ruse to prove to the NFL that we could draft literally any QB prospect, develop him, and flip him for a king’s ransom.
Or at least, that’s what I tell myself. But DAMN did the front office scare me for a couple weeks there a year ago. Thank goodness for Clay Matthews, am I right?
KK may not have been the BPA at that point in the draft, but they thought he was the best QB prospect available and player they knew that they could develop into a NFL QB (which I guess, to be fair, is still to be determined and his success in AZ will be the deciding factor) which is a very valuable asset (as we saw in the return we got from AZ even though KK is relatively unproven).
You and I have different thoughts on what KK will turn out to be. I will concede that he will never be as good as Vick was last year, but I envision KK having a decent NFL career. And I think his career would be even better had he remained an Eagle and kept honing his craft under AR and Minionwheg.
We shall see!
At this point, I really don’t care how Kolb does, so long as it doesn’t negatively affect the Eagles in any way.
I had to care last year. And that scared me to death.
Kolb would have likely been traded anyway
The Eagles would have clearly seen Vick starting to out-perform Kolb at some point. And moreso if Kolb had been less that spectacular the whole season. You don’t hold on to Vick as a backup without checking his progress at some point, too much potential
At some point they were going to have to draft a guy behind Donovan
even if he wasn’t “the one” it’s better to have QBs you believe in in the pipeline.
Wasn’t that also the same draft the Patriots screwed us out of Brandon Meriweather, who we needed to be the eventual next Dawk?
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Great point
Backup QBs are like condoms: it is better have one (or more than one, for that matter) and a good one at that, then to not have one at all.
Drafting 5’s successor had to happen at some point.
Lol, nice analogy ...
The Reddgie, you might be my favorite new frequent-poster (I see you joined last July but you def. have picked up the pace)
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Great Post, slight derail
Someone forward this post and the cap management post to Ed Snider and Paul Holmgren, please.
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